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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Spatula on January 16, 2006, 04:06:23 PM
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Yah! Ive completed my entire CH products HOTAS & Rudder setup with the newest addition of the USB Pro Throttle. Up untill now ive used the little slider on my Fighterstick. Ive always used the numeric keypad for views (i know its wierd, but im used to it). So im thinking of doing some re-mapping and work out a new set up.
How do other people have theirs set up?? what do you use the little joystick on the throttle for? Im open to any suggestions. Baring in mind im used to using my left hand for views.
My old setup was:
- CH USB Fighter stick
- CH Gamport Non-Pro Rudders (on an USB converter)
As it is my stick has mapped:
- 8-way has views (but i tend not to use it all that often as im used to the keypad)
- Trigger switch fires both pri and sec.
- The two top 4-ways have elev, rudder, and aileron trims, plus flaps up/down (think ill keep these)
- pinky switch is look up.
- side switch is WEP on/off
- top switch is tunable VOX (squad).
- Lower (thumb) 4-way has zoom, bring up map, fire primaries, and cycle through targets (for chk-6 calls).
I use the default keys on the keyboard for the rest: Gear up/down, Wheel Brakes, Views, Range VOX (think ill combine the two vox and radios on 1 4-way perhaps??), auto-trims etc.
Like i said, share with me your set ups, so i know whats possible, and whats not, and see what i like...
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I have the same set up, with a back up set.
My rule of thumb, I want as much activity (ie view keys) on the throttle and away from the stick. I want my stick hand to have to do as little as possible during a fight except for manuvering. However, I keep flap control and trim on the stick as it just feels right, besides, you aren't usually dancing these keys anyway like you do for the views or vox transmissions.
I use the slider on the Fighterstck to control RPMs for both of my P38s engines.
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Do you use the actual trim wheels on the stick to trim?? cause they actually just change the center-point of the stick, dont they - eg they aint mappable to the game???
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I cant imagine feeling that the hat switch on the stick is anything but better than on the throttle. If you are having trouble controling the plane and using the hat, your stick is too big for your hands or something:D
besides, real men use TRACKIR....that way you look around with your head :aok
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Map your views to the hat switch on the throttle and use your thumb. The hat switch on the stick is way to big a stretch. I have the stick hat mapped to the map toggle and zoom.
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Originally posted by Spatula
Do you use the actual trim wheels on the stick to trim?? cause they actually just change the center-point of the stick, dont they - eg they aint mappable to the game???
No, I set the trim tabs for AH on the stick, via joystick config in AH. Don't use the trim wheels that the stick comes with, it isn't worth the trouble.
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Yer, thats what ive found too. Just wondered if anyone has had sucess with that sort of set up.
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Here is my setup. I have rudder pedals, so I use toe brakes. If I did not, I would probably set up left/right brakes as buttons 2 & 3 on throttle as L/R brakes.
Believe it or not, a lot of trial and error and thought went into why this set up works for me.
(http://tech-rep.org/stick.jpg)
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(http://tech-rep.org/throttle.jpg)
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Rolex , can the 8 way hat on the throttle be used as buttons? I have a x52, and i use one button to look up on the throttle , then use the regular hat to look around, it gives the same effect as what you are doing with the 8 way , it would free up 7 more buttons on the 8way if it can be set to buttons .
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sweet pictures Rolex. Just 1 question, i notice you have your up views on the throttle and the forward views on the stick. Thats interesting. Does that get confusing? what happens when you click view left on the stick and view right on the throttle?? which one 'wins'? sounds confusing to me - mind you i might give it a try to see how i deal with it...
Ive had a go at mapping mine both as a combination of what im already used to on the stick, and intuitively grouping similar functions, and so that im not unable to do two necessary things at the same time (like tracking the boogie and talk on vox simultaneously). Have found a few flaws in my setup already, so ill continue to refine it i think. Will post it when i have it sorted.
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Originally posted by 38ruk
Rolex , can the 8 way hat on the throttle be used as buttons? I have a x52, and i use one button to look up on the throttle , then use the regular hat to look around, it gives the same effect as what you are doing with the 8 way , it would free up 7 more buttons on the 8way if it can be set to buttons . 38
in the AH control stick mapper, you map you hat to one of the AH virtual hats, which can be used as buttons - so the short answer is in AH, certainly. In fact ive done just that with one of my physical hats which maps to head movements up+down and left+right, and forward and backwards (1/4 angles move head up and down).
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Yes, Kitchen Utensil is right, you can map it as a switch. :)
Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Fester, kappa, ManeTMP, Levi, Morph or other Super Ninji Ace Virtual Killer (SNAVK). These guys will kill you flying the keyboard without a joystick. I am a little better than most in a few things that I like doing - living, landing kills, bombing successfully without diving and lawndarting...
Here are a few reasons why this setup works for me, in spite of my 35 IQ (in no particular order):
1. I could use the up view on the throttle hat in combination with joystick hat to do an all-around up scan, but I've had poor luck with CH tophats. I'm on my 3rd joystick in the last 18 months because of the tophat. They are hard to find where I live, so I'm trying to extend the life of the stick hat by using the throttle hat for 45 up views.
2. I have trim, flaps & gear on throttle because I like to fly the 'under-achiever' planes sometimes, i.e. P-40, Wildcat... so I'm flying at the edge of stall many times. I prefer to deploy/retract flaps, trim or gear and use wep with my left hand so I don't risk dropping a wing or changing stick pressure (no matter how slight it may be) while fumbling for a switch on the same stick.
3. I prefer to use the same stick setup for all planes (bomber/attack/fighter) and also gvs. I'm not smart enough to remember to change sticks. In bombers, the "Forward" view is vital to make a good run. In the F6 bombadier position, you can look up through the front of the plane and continue to steer (ailerons only) toward a target by using the "Front" view (8 on keypad). I zoom in long before the target using the Forward view to set up my run so there are no turns after the last calibration. Thats why I have it on the stick and I also use it extensively during a dogfight.
It's surprising to me that some people don't have the Forward view set up on their joystick. I think it's indespensible.
I'd be interested to see other setups as well. I'm always willing to try something new and improved.
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been trying to get stick setups of all types of stick from people, seems people want to hoard their setup :D
trying to put something like a tutorial together for setting up/calibrating and stick/keymapping for Aces High, and also include some downloadable stick setups/files for different type sticks............not trying to spam, I have posted both in the General Discussion and help and Training Forums regarding this......
I have a couple already, some CH USB stuff, some Saitek stuff, and some CH analog stuff.......
with all that said, I am having trouble getting my CH throttle to work , everything else is working on the Throttle except the Throttle controller itself, but it is picking up the roatary throttle on the Fighter stick still.....
CH Fighter stick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals ( all analog type), all working except the Throttle on the PT..........I had to load up Win98se to program it, and download to the memorychip in the stick and throttle, so I could use it in winXPpro..........did away with the USB converter when I added throttle so I could get full function of both controllers, so throwed in my old SB PCI512 sound/game port card............it all worked with no glitches in Win98se, but when moved over to my winXP pc it lost the throttle use some where..........and reverted back to the roary throttle on the stick for some reason.......
arghh
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Hmmm, thats pretty wierd, TC. So when your in the stick selection bit, can you see the throttle axis (Z axis i think) numbers moving up and down for your throttle? or does AH just not see that axis at all? Must be some analog thing? i dont have any probs with my USB stick and Throttle, and my Analog (on a converter) rudders.
I have an idea for you. Can you run just one of your analog devices on that USB converter? Say the rudders? Or better yet, get 3 converters, one for each device ?? Jus' an idea ;)
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it is showing the throttle axis, but the Pro Throttle isn't the one working, it is picking up the one on the Fighter stick ( the rotary throttle, not the slider Throttle) but is picking up on all the buttons on the Pro throttle they all are working, is weird isn't it....dang thing was working on win98se just fine
as far as USB, I ditched it to be able to use the Pro Throttle, used the USB before to use just my stick and rudders..........I got mad, and gave up will tinker with it some more.......
maybe even try what u suggested
STILL LOOKING FOR STICK settings files and software stick programming files for all kinds of sticks
email em to tequilachaser at flyaceshigh.com
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Does AH recognize multiple controllers? If so, then you'll need to select the PT as device and the select its z-axis. AH obviously takes the 1st controller 1st, and that's the FS - and that's got a throttle-wheel = z-axis, so that's selected as default.
If this shouldn't help, you could create a (controller-)map via the CM and simply clear the FS' wheel (axis A3) from any DirectX output (or at least map a different axis to it). Then select the PT's throttle (axis A3) and change the device from "2" to "1" (but keep the z-axis).
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Heres my 2nd cut at my set up.
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AcesHigh/spat_fighterstick.JPG)
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AcesHigh/spat_throttle.JPG)
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will send cheat code for button 1 on pro throttle
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Had a 'mare of a time in the MA last night with my views on the throttle. I managed ok with it in the TA the other night as a trial run, but last night i just felt like i was like really drunk or something, and kept getting really out-of-shape at very inoppurtune moments :(
I think maybe ill try switching the hats over so the views are on the stick as i think that will feel more intuitive - eg to look ahead you push the hat ahead, whereas the hat on the throttle is rotated and just feels unintuitive. But im worried that i wont be able to operate the buttons on top of the stick whilst cycling through the views (as i only have one right hand thumb) like flaps and trims. or maybe i could remap those... ARGGGHH!!!!!
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I would persevere with the views on the throttle. Its far more relaxing with your hand on the heft of the stick without having to stretch all the time for the hat. I soon got used to it, but then, you've seen my rank no doubt:lol
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The views on the throttle is good idea, would it be easier to use if look left was left on the button and look right was to the right on the button and look back was pull back on the button with the other views in between???? I have them this way on mine and it takes no thinking to use , look left push button left and so on. My opinion...... maybe help maybe not
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Thats the way I have mine set up, you need to ignore the CH set up icons when you do it, their left is actually the hat 'up' etc.
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oh, ok, so your look forward is actually the up position?
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buttonforward is forward-up, up is left down is right back is back. Map another intuitive button for up so you can press it with the hat for three quarter views all round.
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You've got 3 buttons at the front of the throttle, so why not use 'em?
Assign the normal level snap-views to the throttle's POV-hat (with the orientation you prefer), and use 1 of these buttons as "up"- and another as "down"-modifier - this way you can shift any view up or down any time you need to, and you can look straight up even without using the POV-coolie at all. (This works with any programmable/mappable controller - TM, CH, Saitek, etc.).
If you don't have a TrackIR, you could set up the throttle's microstick to control the mouse-look/panning in addition to this - 1 thumb for 2 choices ;) , and all the view-control you need at the tip of just one single finger :aok .
@FOGOLD:
Would you believe :rolleyes: ? CH sent me a couple of their controllers :eek: to get a better impression than my pure theoretical guesstimation ;) ... and I fell in love :D ! (It was harder to (re-)learn what this word "support" means :t than to actually get into Bob's scripting :lol ...)
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Originally posted by Rolex
Here is my setup. I have rudder pedals, so I use toe brakes. If I did not, I would probably set up left/right brakes as buttons 2 & 3 on throttle as L/R brakes.
Believe it or not, a lot of trial and error and thought went into why this set up works for me.
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As Im considering getting a CH stick thanks for posing that layout.
One thing I noticed though I would do differently then you.
1 because I personally find it more intuitive on my TM stick
2 because it would free up and entire hatswitch for other options.
Instead of using the pinky button for the fire primary and the throttle hat for the alternate up views (back up,side up etc)
I would use the pinky button in combination with the stick hat for the Alternate views (Back up,side up etc)
that is when using the hat by itself you view forward up. forward Left ,Left Forward Right,Right,Back right,Back etc.
And when you push the pinky in combination with the hat you get your Up views in whichever direction you move the hat. Pinky by itself looks straight up, Pinky with hat Left up etc etc.
that would leave the hat on the throttle free for four more commands
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Originally posted by DonULFonso
Does AH recognize multiple controllers? If so, then you'll need to select the PT as device and the select its z-axis. AH obviously takes the 1st controller 1st, and that's the FS - and that's got a throttle-wheel = z-axis, so that's selected as default.
If this shouldn't help, you could create a (controller-)map via the CM and simply clear the FS' wheel (axis A3) from any DirectX output (or at least map a different axis to it). Then select the PT's throttle (axis A3) and change the device from "2" to "1" (but keep the z-axis).
I am not using CH Manager, I have all analog stuff, my old PT went bad and a squaddie sent me his old analog CH HOTAS setup...........the PT works fine when programming in 98se, but have not figured out why this setup isn't letting me recognize the throttle portion of the PT yet recognizes every button.......
it still picks up the rotary throttle on the stick in winXP but doesn't in win98se......it picks up the slider throttle on the PT ...........
so there is my delima.....I have use of every thing I need except have to switch hand to throttle on stick to work throttle....oh well one day will get all the USB stuff this analog stuff now ( 2 full sets of HOTAS ) and a combatstick and a CH fighter FX stick all getting around 9 to 10 years old.........
maybe in my offtime I can open them up and change good stuff from each other to make one ALL GOOD lol........
should of just ordered some pots from CH for the old PT since it worked except for some buttons/switches
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<----getting partziehmers I was never looking at the throttle axis in speedkeys and never switched them.......DOH!!!!!!!!!!!! silly me all is fine now
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@ DREDIOCK: Spatula is using pinky as primary fire; I use it for vox. But, you're right about using an UP + hat. I was doing that before, but as I said, I'm trying to reduce the wear on the stick tophat since I'm on my 3rd stick in 18 months.
Good luck with any new stick. CH is reputed to have a great support, so you shouldn't have the problems I've had (3 sticks, 2 sets of pedals - which are now broken also - and 2 throttles in just 18 months).
Those are just the ones I had to buy! With the first set I bought, I had to fight to get them to replace stick, pedals and throttle right out of the box since all 3 were bad.
In total, I've spent about US$ 1,800. I have no evidence, but I think they ship the QC rejects outside the US since the warranty is different also.
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Originally posted by Rolex
@ DREDIOCK: Spatula is using pinky as primary fire; I use it for vox. But, you're right about using an UP + hat. I was doing that before, but as I said, I'm trying to reduce the wear on the stick tophat since I'm on my 3rd stick in 18 months.
arent the hats replacable?
LOL I've gotten so used to replacing the hat on my ol TM Xfighter I can dissasemble replace and reassemble the stick inless then 5 min.
Did it once without even exiting the game. lmao
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
arent the hats replacable?
Yes, and no. The whole hat assembly is v difficult to remove without stuffing the whole board. But the hat assembly is dismantable, so you can take the cap off it, and replace the little switches as needed indvidually - i think you can get em from jaycar or equiv (they are just very small rectangular push-switches).