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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: cav58d on January 17, 2006, 01:15:38 AM
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You are flying at 10k in your favorite ride...5k below you spot a high eny plane (Hurrimk1/spit1/c202/109E) and a lower eny plane(anything from LA7 to a p-38J)...They are both same altitude, same heading, same speed and same E...Which airplane do you attack and why? Do you go for what you may think of as an easy kill and attack the hurrimk 1? or do you go after what you think "may" be more of a challenge and go for the LA7? Why is it that you choose the higher or lower eny airplane to attack? Is it because of possible perks? Because you think that the high eny kill may be an easier kill opposed to the low eny? Do you ever follow patterns when in this situation? or is it simply case by case, and you choose the airplane you can exploit with the advantages of the bird your in???
-Cav
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Threat assessment:
Which one presents a danger to myself and my plane?
Can I perform and can my plane perform reliably and admirably to be double teamed?
Which one would most likely be piloted by a great pilot and which one is just bored?
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I don't even think about ENY value when engaging a plane. I would take out the greatest threat 1st. Then proceed to the next trgt. Can't really give a senerio because there are to many factors, what are the planes I am fighting and what plane I'm in at the time makes a huge differance in what i will do. So bottom line is i could care less about killing a plane that will yeild me more perks. Playing this game for perk points or rank doesn't interest me. I play just to have fun.
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In an ideal situation this is what I'd consider:
1) Positioning. What's their heading and angle of attack in relation to ME? Are they just cruising, or are they entering a fight? Are they flying abreast or is one trailing behind the other? Level flight? Climbing? Diving? Turning? Where is MY position? Behind them? To their left or right? Ahead of them?
2) Situational Awareness. Have they given any indication they've seen me? HAVE they seen me? Is it JUST these two bandits or are there others nearby? Friendlies?
3) Which of the two provides a cleaner and more sure shot? If I make a move against one, will his buddy be able to swing in on me?
4) What ARE the bandits? As I usually fly the Corsair, I want to be sure to eliminate whichever target would make the hardest kill if it came down to a close-quarters fight (Spitfires, Zekes, etc) on the first pass. So if the high ENY is a Spitfire, and the low ENY is an ElGay I'd want to nail the Spit first and take him out of the fight, as I'm more confident of being able to deal with the LA7 in an extended fight (that, and I REALLY don't want to deal with yet ANOTHER friggen' Spit HO dweeb :p ).
5) What's the terrain like? Any cover I can use on approach? They're at 5000ft, but what's ground level? 100ft? 4999ft?
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I'd say kill whatever the good turner is first,,,cause u can usually avoid
a few B&Z passes,,,kill the turner asap, then deal with the fast plane
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Well, if i had enough speed/alt and was sure i could keep both while taking care of the LA i would go for the LA first, simply because the Hurri1 isnt much of a thret as long as im fast and keep an eye on him.
If i was slower in a turner, then i probably would try to get the Hurri first, since hes becoming a threat fast and one can usually assume that its one of the better pilots in it. I guess in that scenario, i either kill the Hurri fast and have a 1 on 1 with the LA or i end up in a 2 on 1, where i dont really have a *choice* on whom to kill first.... whoever i manage to get a shot off at first.
But then maybe.... i think id run like the bat from hell..... im SCAAARED of dem Hurri1s!!! :noid
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kill the hurri first its probably schatzi and if she will kill you very fast.
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We need to get a Hurri Mk1 cult started :) I would lay money down that 5-7 people on here get 75-85% of all kills in the Mk1 ;)
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HO the one with the weaker guns.
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i try to remove the biggest threat first. if one was an la, and one was hurri 1, i'd get the la because he can run away, then get hurri. if it was the other way round, and i went for the hurri, i'd most likely have to start to engage him, losing e, which means i find it harder to get the cherry picking lala later.
changes in different situations though
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Originally posted by bozon
HO the one with the weaker guns.
Thats probably what the C-Hog thought when he HOed my Hurri. Well, he was smoking fuel afterwards and i got away unscathed - theres much to be said about good maneuverability ;). And bigger isnt always better. :D
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Moin
first i go for the dangerest enemy. than folows the rest.
because you can handel the low eny enemy esear than the high eny enemy thats why he must go first.
cu chris3
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I kill, in order, if I can, the one that would poses the most threat.
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I don't consider it from an ENY value. I'm going to look down there and decide which one of those guys is my biggest problem. More often than not the Low eny plane would be the problem.
I'm going to want to ice that guy while I've got the advantage. The weaker threat can be dealt with in a lower energy state and therefore if I lose anything in the attack on the better plane I should still be ok.
However, any time I see a VERY weak aircraft I expect it to be one of the best pilots. For instance I have learned that P40's are almost exclusively piloted by very dangerous pilots who will do well in ANY ride. I never assume that the weak plane is going to be an easy kill. Fact is that weaker pilots typically fly the strongest planes in an effort to balance themselves.
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Originally posted by Kurt
I don't consider it from an ENY value. I'm going to look down there and decide which one of those guys is my biggest problem. More often than not the Low eny plane would be the problem.
I'm going to want to ice that guy while I've got the advantage. The weaker threat can be dealt with in a lower energy state and therefore if I lose anything in the attack on the better plane I should still be ok.
However, any time I see a VERY weak aircraft I expect it to be one of the best pilots. For instance I have learned that P40's are almost exclusively piloted by very dangerous pilots who will do well in ANY ride. I never assume that the weak plane is going to be an easy kill. Fact is that weaker pilots typically fly the strongest planes in an effort to balance themselves.
yeah, i find im quite careful around p40b's and the like :)
ps, funny sig :)
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i tend to focus on the faster of the two planes, the slower one can't run from me.
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Alphabetical order, always.
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TWO fighters below me? IŽll take my La-7, push full throttle, engage WEP, dive down to the deck and race home... :D
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i used to like to go after the hurri / 202 or whatever, because there's a chance it would be a good pilot, and would be a challange. always good to shoot down someone better than you ;) :aok
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I have never considered eny when picking targets. I would go along with what RTSigma, SFCHONDO, Saxman, and Schatzi said. Deal with the greater threat first. Probably my first pass I would try to B&Z the LA and keep an eye on the hurri, keeping as much alt as I can, after that it would depend on what I was flying
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Originally posted by cav58d
You are flying at 10k in your favorite ride...5k below you spot a high eny plane (Hurrimk1/spit1/c202/109E) and a lower eny plane(anything from LA7 to a p-38J)...They are both same altitude, same heading, same speed and same E...Which airplane do you attack and why? Do you go for what you may think of as an easy kill and attack the hurrimk 1? or do you go after what you think "may" be more of a challenge and go for the LA7? Why is it that you choose the higher or lower eny airplane to attack? Is it because of possible perks? Because you think that the high eny kill may be an easier kill opposed to the low eny? Do you ever follow patterns when in this situation? or is it simply case by case, and you choose the airplane you can exploit with the advantages of the bird your in???
-Cav
Firstly, forget about perkies. Tha plan is to kill and not get killed.
Secondly, the Gay7 is the 1 to kill first because the Hurri 1 will tie you in knots bleeding your "E" on every turn whilst the no skill gay7 rider lines you up for his best ever HO.
Thirdly, kill the Hurri 1 in a B&Z fashion. Dominate the fight and get that hurri "E" out and on his arse.
Fourthly, go land 2 kills
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Originally posted by WMLute
i tend to focus on the faster of the two planes, the slower one can't run from me.
All other factors being equal this is what you do:
1) If in a speed plane kill the fastest plane first, it's the greatest threat, a slow plane is more or less at your mercy, totally unable to gain any kind of initiative over you. You can engage and dis-engage him at will whenever you please.
2) If in a turning plane kill the most manueverable plane first, this plane poses the most serious threat to you, if your SA is kept up you should be able to avoid the faster plane with ease and turn the tables on him almost at will unless he runs.
The whole ENY thingy is just icing on the cake. Faced with 2 similiar planes, sure why not kill the one that's worth the most perks first, but that is usually not the deciding factor when engaging anything other than perk planes...
Zazen
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I agree with Lute. "Threat" is alot more than just which plane turns better, or has cannons. If the planes are fairly close to each other, and break into different directions, I go for the faster plane first. Kill it, extend out, then set up the fight with the other one how I want it (if the other pilot lets me that is). If there's plenty of separation, I might go for the twisty/turny plane first, just to eliminate a low/slow threat, and then try to setup a fight with the other guy. But usually the fast plane is the bigger threat, because he can use his speed to dictate the fight once I've given up my alt advantage.
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Wow, you mean there are those who THINK about stuff like this??:huh
If I thought about it, I would end up in analysis paralysis quickly and not notice the 20K rookunaut diving on my six.
So, charge them both, and whoever I get to first gets shot at.
By the way, don't assume a low eny plane means high skilled pilot. I like LA-5s and 109G-2s, and I stink. But by doing this, I can delude myself into thinking everyone who kills me is just in a better plane.
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The biggest threat dies first. Only a tardling score potato goes for the easy kill and then runs away. Same thing as going for vulches when there are 20 planes in the air to kill. If you take out the better planes first, the weaker ones will be a reward for you, and you'll end up getting more kills in the end.
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like most have said, biggest threat first...which to me means, the one that will give the plane im in the most trouble once 1vs1.
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All other things being equal (and many times not), I go after more-popular planes La-7's, Spit 16's, etc. first -- especially La's and Spits. I sometimes leave less-popular planes (like P-40's, Bf 109E-4's, etc.) to last.
This doesn't have as much to do with the ENY rating of a plane, but has to do with the fact that I am a contrarian and like to do my part in combating the La-7/Spit 16 herd.
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Personally, I would just auger right away because with my luck, a cv gunner in another sector will kill me soon, or the ack from a base half a sector away will kill me any second.
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i hardly think the plane model is the threat..i would make a few passes and judge their behavior waiting for one to make a critical mistake.. i can tell pretty quick who has any skill...with 5k alt i can pick them off..if any ran to get alt i would kill who was left first keeping a close eye on the others...watching a few of their wingys die makes them very careful and defensive, which plays into my offense giving me the advantage...thats my theoretical answer..however since i have little patience i would kill as fast as possible one or two before bleeding my e and than try and outturn the others before my inevitable ho'ram death :D
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Originally posted by E25280
By the way, don't assume a low eny plane means high skilled pilot. I like LA-5s and 109G-2s, and I stink. But by doing this, I can delude myself into thinking everyone who kills me is just in a better plane.
They mean the really "bad" planes....no cannon, etc. that sort of thing.
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i would shoot the la before he has a chance to equalize the E states between our planes and HO me
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Hell, my f4u-1 has ENY of 40 but yet it seems they come to try to kill me first,lol.
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this is an easy question.
If im in my favorite plane, PJ, I go for the one that is the better in the vertical and accelerates beter. If its a choice between bouncing an La7 or a C202 i'm going to go for the La7 first.
This holds true for any plane i fly. Kill the greater threat. Sometimes though a c202 may be a greater threat than an La7 in a different situation. So i work on the 202 first, or both at the same time because i know the La7 is going to be a problem if i dont pay attention to it and just work on the 202.
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I ususally roll over and start dropping down, gathering speed to maintain e, get out a coin and flip to see which one to engage, meanwhile, plane has compressed and I auger.:D But Hey, you can all do it your own way :aok
;)
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one enemy plane is a threat to me, if i see two , i run away.
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Originally posted by john9001
one enemy plane is a threat to me, if i see two , i run away.
lol:rofl
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Originally posted by zorstorer
We need to get a Hurri Mk1 cult started :) I would lay money down that 5-7 people on here get 75-85% of all kills in the Mk1 ;)
Hehe... im all for that.
But im afraid HT will finally notice what a threat the Hurr1 is to the MA and perk it heavily.