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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: the Lazy ace on January 17, 2006, 08:25:44 PM
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i was readin my book and found out about the A26. forgive if others have complained about this, why did they give us the A20 when the A26 has 10 foward firing .50cal [2 internal, 8 external], 2 .50cals in the dorsal turret and ventral turret and 6000lbs of ordanance. i dont think its a big issue if we get it or not [but i would like it] ,but just wanted to know why HTC has screwed us over
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The A-26 will probably be added as a perk bomber at some point.
The A-20G also allowed much of the artwork to be used for the Boston Mk III, providing an earlier Allied bomber.
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Originally posted by the Lazy ace
i was readin my book and found out about the A26. forgive if others have complained about this, why did they give us the A20 when the A26 has 10 foward firing .50cal [2 internal, 8 external], 2 .50cals in the dorsal turret and ventral turret and 6000lbs of ordanance. i dont think its a big issue if we get it or not [but i would like it] ,but just wanted to know why HTC has screwed us over
:huh
Play balance, my boy, play balance.
The A-26 is on the "get it done someday" list, probably as a perked attacker. The A-20 is non perked, and is no more an insult than, say, the C.205 would be. The A-26 was good enough that it continued in use postwar (renamed as the B-26) well into the Viet Nam era.
Chill out a little, OK?
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Originally posted by the Lazy ace
i was readin my book and found out about the A26. forgive if others have complained about this, why did they give us the A20 when the A26 has 10 foward firing .50cal [2 internal, 8 external], 2 .50cals in the dorsal turret and ventral turret and 6000lbs of ordanance. i dont think its a big issue if we get it or not [but i would like it] ,but just wanted to know why HTC has screwed us over
Think about it for a minute with the overall in mind. The A26 saw service in small numbers from the Fall of 44 to the end with the USAAF.
The A20 was in it from beginning to end with numerous air forces and in every theater of the war in large numbers.
Historically it makes a heckuva lot more sense to get the A20 first and hope they have some time to add the much, rarer for WW2, A26.
If only for potential scenario use. And some of those guys who fly the A20 exclusively in AH can do some great things with it.
Funny that you think we've been screwed over for not having the A26. In Airwarrior we had the A26. When asked what one plane I'd like added to the game, I said the A20 for all the already mentioned reasons.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The A-26 will probably be added as a perk bomber at some point.
The A-20G also allowed much of the artwork to be used for the Boston Mk III, providing an earlier Allied bomber.
Not to mention that the A-20/Boston series served in far greater numbers, and throughout most of the war. Moreover, its impact on the war was probably orders of magnitude greater than the A-26, which didn't see combat until September of 1944, and then only in limited numbers at first. Being rushed into combat before it was properly debugged, the first months were tough on both air and ground crews. By January of 1945 the A-26 was in combat in significant numbers. Out in the South Pacific, 5th AF commander General Kenney asked that he be allowed to keep the A-20G as it was a proven and still very successful aircraft. However, A-26s soon began arriving where it replaced B-25s more often than A-20s.
My regards,
Widewing
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im not much of a fighter type guy and i like torpedo bombers and attackers despite the low survivability rate. We pay a hefty price to go online and play with others so if i pay $164 yearly, just for a game, i like to enjoy it and get wat i payed for. u guys can say watever u like but i was just askin about the aircraft
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Bahhh
Keep you A-26
Give me the
B-25G:
Two 0.5 in. Brownings M.G. powered dorsal turret
Two 0.5 in. Brownings M.G. in nose
Four 0.5 in. Brownings M.G. on side of nose
Two 0.3 in. Brownings M.G. in waist
75mm M-4 Cannon in nose with 21 rounds
B-25H:
Fourteen 0.5 in. Brownings M.G.
75mm M-4 Cannon in nose with 21 rounds
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-004.jpg)
EDIT Second Image
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-015.jpg)
EDIT Third Image
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-014.jpg)
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Originally posted by the Lazy ace
but just wanted to know why HTC has screwed us over
How exactly were you "screwed over"? Personally, I thank HTC for every 1945 plane that is NOT included in the game. Speak for yourself.
We pay a hefty price to go online and play with others so if i pay $164 yearly, just for a game, i like to enjoy it and get wat i payed for
You probably would say that even if you were paying a dollar a month. I pay 12$ yearly, and I want my 12$ worth!
I don't know how old are you but I can think of a few better ways to spend 164$ than on an A26. It might do you good.
Bozon
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You're getting exactly what you paid for. If you had read the 'game features' with its 'over 80 planes and vehicles' link, which I'm sure you did as you obviously think $164 is a big investment, then you must have overlooked the fact the A26 is not listed.
It's like complaining that the box of breakfast cereal you just bought doesn't contain a Porsche.
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I can only assume you had your book with the A26 before you signed up for Aces High and that you began paying for AH after the two week free trial, knowing the A20 was what you got and not the A26. So why subscribe in the first place if you felt screwed over? Were you drafted?
It's up to you to check out the attributes of the aircraft available (or not available for that matter), then decide if you want to subscribe or not. That is part of the point of a free trial period. Accusing HTC of "screwing" you over is imflamatory.
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Seriously, if the A26 with 6k payload was in the game, with its 10 forward firing MGs. Who would fly the B17?
The A20 on the other hand is a fun bird in its own right.
4 500's in bomb bay, 4 500's on wings for 4000 lb total. Thats pretty respectable for a "light" bomber. 6 .50's pack a punch once the bombs are gone. Again, more than plenty.
Do we want the A26 someday, sure, love to see it.
But it better carry a hefty perk price or you'd see no other bombers in the sky.
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The game isnt called "Aces High 1945".
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look, all i wanted to know is why they put the A20 in the game instead of the A26. u guys are totally blowing my question out of porportion, i dont care if they put the A26 in, so anwser my question approiately or dont awnser my question at all, we have enough jerks and smatasses in the world today
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I thought I answered it without being nasty. Guess not, or some people are overly sensitive.
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We answered the question. Maybe re read your initial post to critique the tone.
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aint it cute !!!!!!
(http://[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c150/cobia38/a26.gif)[/IMG]
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I think somebody needs hug.
A26 sounds awesome but, as previously posted here:
A-20G also allowed much of the artwork to be used for the Boston Mk III, providing an earlier Allied bomber.
Play balance, my boy, play balance.
A20 was in it from beginning to end with numerous air forces and in every theater of the war in large numbers.
A-20/Boston series served in far greater numbers, and throughout most of the war. Moreover, its impact on the war was probably orders of magnitude greater than the A-26, which didn't see combat until September of 1944, and then only in limited numbers at first
The A20 on the other hand is a fun bird in its own right.
4 500's in bomb bay, 4 500's on wings for 4000 lb total. Thats pretty respectable for a "light" bomber. 6 .50's pack a punch once the bombs are gone. Again, more than plenty.
If you think anyone in this thread was being rude.....you must not get out much. :D
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Stick a sock in it lazy we "Were" being nice.
If you really want to influence people here you need
A Data, uncoruptable, unmistakeable real life data for the plane in question.
B Real life release dates, service dates, when actually units took posession of units. When they actually flew missions, and did they actually kill anything.
C You have to remember we are a jaded lot. We've been doing this for 5 years here. We've heard & seen it all, and then some in that time.
So for a second pretend your HT, he's chosing an attack bomber for AH for the forseeable future. He has a few options, do you choose a
B25, pretty much everything the 25 can do the B26 in game already does, scratch that one.
The A26 which was strickly a late war bird, which may significantly impact gameplay.
The A20/boston series. Which saw service thoughout the entire war.
Flew in every theater, had a good attack record and had a good punch, but not so much to be unbalancing.
So overall the A20 is a much more representative attack bomber. If you seriously step back from where your standing. Look at all the options you can see why its the A20's we have.
It takes away nothing from the A26, which I agree was a hard hitting monster. I would love to see it in AH someday. Right after I get my H8k Flying Boat!
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(sigh) y do i even bother. i am not a very patient man, and i would like things done correctly, some of u have awnser my question approprietly and i thank u for that, others, who i will not mention, are wasting my time. so please THROUGHLY read the posts and come up with a APPROPRIET awnser. i am sorry if some of u may find this offensive so TOUGH ****, if u have a problem with me complain to someone else cause i dont wanna hear it
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Originally posted by the Lazy ace
i am not a very patient man
No? Really?
You asked two questions, one of which was why did HTC screw us over. The reply was this - HTC did not screw us over.
The A20 fits in with this game well. You might as well ask why HTC screwed us over for not adding a whole load of other planes.
Ask a stupid question...
You really need a huge chill pill!;)
KD
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Ghosth mate I was trying to be cheeky with my B-25 response
Not that I am expecting to see it in the MA But with 14 50cals and a 75mm. I think it sorta out ranks the B-26...
I know I would pay bulk perkies for that.....
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Don't get me wrong mussie, I miss the 25H myself.
Used to duel with it back in the ol brand W days.
Regretfully it seems that someone just doesn't care for it. Or is afraid it will get abused. Personally I think it would be the ultimate low level bird to go hunting barges/trains with. Which I'd like to see more of btw. Along with coastal shipping, and a reworked strat setup.
Plus with that 75mm in nose it "should" be good at GV killing.
Not to mention leveling a city.
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and just think all I want is a............................ ..........................Jee p
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Or is afraid it will get abused. Personally I think it would be the ultimate low level bird to go hunting barges/trains with. Which I'd like to see more of btw. Along with coastal shipping, and a reworked strat setup.
Plus with that 75mm in nose it "should" be good at GV killing.
Not to mention leveling a city.
In WB they did not model the issues with the cannon feed system, namely that it was loaded manually. That had a severe impact on the rate of fire, or if it could fire at all. Unless they can model that it really would be abused.
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Originally posted by the Lazy ace
(sigh) y do i even bother. i am not a very patient man, and i would like things done correctly, some of u have awnser my question approprietly and i thank u for that, others, who i will not mention, are wasting my time. so please THROUGHLY read the posts and come up with a APPROPRIET awnser. i am sorry if some of u may find this offensive so TOUGH ****, if u have a problem with me complain to someone else cause i dont wanna hear it
:lol
AHAHAHAH that's funny stuff. Why don't you do us all a favor next time and "just not bother" :aok You've been given appropriate answers many times in this thread. If you think anything said is being rude(especially after you bad mouth a game we all like) then you won't survive on these boards for long. Anyways, I have on good information that the A26 isn't added because HTC enjoys listening to people whine.
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I think we got ourselves here a thalidomide baby!
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Originally posted by Karnak
In WB they did not model the issues with the cannon feed system, namely that it was loaded manually. That had a severe impact on the rate of fire, or if it could fire at all. Unless they can model that it really would be abused.
I would think they could use the fire/reload rate of the Panzer or T-34, or set it up similar. I guess i dont see how it could be abused though, it only carried about 50 or less rounds for the 75mm?
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It wont happen I know but seeing as someone raised this post from the dead.....
I would be willing to pay a good 200 perks for the 25H, no formations allowed :)
(just imagine the carnage those 50's could deliver)
:D
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Airscrew, as I remember the 75mm should only have 21 rounds or so.
As to the loading problems, that should be a fairly easy problem to fix.
First round is in the chamber, so no delay there.
Bang
shortest reload time. (gunner has had time to get shell ready before gun was fired)
Bang (2 rounds have been fired, By now cockpit is filling up with smoke, reload will take a bit longer.)
Gunner has to fumble for shell etc.
So add 3 seconds to first reload time.
Bang
Add 3 more seconds
Bang
Add 5 seconds.
If at any point gun is not fired for 30 seconds, reset reload time to min.
Not sure I'd be willing to spend THAT many perks.
But i'd sure dish out 20,25 for this bird. We need more planes to spend bomber perks on! This would be a good choice IMO.
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Ghosth, I see were your going with the reload timing but I think it might be a little more that 3 or 5 seconds.
1. The plane is moving around, turbulance, up and down, makes it hard for the reloader to keep his balance
2. Open the breach, remove spent shell casing (hot), discard, grab new shell, load, close the breach.
3. I dont think the smoke in the cockpit would be that big of an issue, moving at 180 to 210 mph with windows down would probably blow most of the smoke out, plus you wouldnt be refiring often enough.
for instance, I line up on a target, say a tank, probably the effective range to hit something like a tank would be 200 yards (taking in consideration trying to aim from an unstable platform it would be difficult, plus a tank is a relative small target when your moving at 180mph) Once you fire and allow for the reload time, you've overflown your target and you either hit it or you didnt. if you missed it'll probably take you a couple minutes or so to reposition your plane for another pass. If you hit it, you still might have to make another pass, 75mm is not exactly a one hit wonder on tanks.
Also, are the 75mm rounds HE or AP?
I also dont see a need to perk a B-25G or H. Why? it would not be as manuverable as the A-20 or the IL-2. I would think the destructive power of a B-25G with 21 rounds of 75mm would be close to equal of the Mossie 20mms or Me110 30mm.
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In any sort of heavy manuevering it would not reload at all. For example, in a steep dive to try to hit the top of a tank, the pull out after a attack run, the turn to make another run or any sort of evasives.
To get multiple shots in a run you'd have to make a steady run in at a shallow angle, and even then you'd be very lucky to get three shots I think.
I am not against the aircraft really, just pointing out that for it to not be excessively gamey there needs to be special rules programmed for it.
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BK 7.5 was belt fed & on Ju88s & Hs129s
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I would gladly pay 200 perks for an A26 :D