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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: bagrat on January 18, 2006, 12:41:50 AM
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pardon my asking, this is my first day ever playing AH, but why aren't the spit16 an LA-7 perked.
IMO it just seems the rest of the planes have decent fights against each other but when it comes to one of those planes, the guy in the LA or 16 is in control of the battle. For instance the guy in LA or 16 will begin to turn fight but as soon as he loses upper hand he decides to run away. The planes both have very good acceleration meaning he probably will escape.
I understand some of the better people feel the LA isn't all that difficult to kill, but still it cruises around 380 or more mph, an that is very good speed.
...altitude asside.
:cry <-- thats me crying an whinning as I type this.
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Y'know, I've had more problems with Spit 16s HOing me than turn fighting.
My problem with ElGays isn't so much the one I'm fighting, it's the other one covering his six because they always seem to travel in packs (had two of them chasing me down last night :p ).
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41 posts and this is your first day?
:noid
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Originally posted by Saxman
Y'know, I've had more problems with Spit 16s HOing me than turn fighting.
Absolutely! By far most of my HO experiences involve Spit 16s. I waddle along after the guy, he accelerates well away, turns around, then HOs me. Only good thing is I'm often flying a 110 when this happens, so I let him HO me. Still, don't like it. I know it takes two, blah blah blah but if a guy zooms,deliberately stall turns into a high speed dive straight at your prop hub, who's HOing who? IMNVHO it's the guy who turns in such away as to come straight back at you, rather than to try and get on your tail or whatever. And, and...it's more often than not a spit 16 for some reason.:huh :furious
KD
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Hell, almost exclusively I'm in an F4U. What reason does a Spit have to HO a plane it so easily out-maneuvers in an extended turning fight?
I hate HO's 'cause it seems no matter how many pings I put in the other guy's cockpit and engine (and I've counted upwards of 20 or more) *I'M* always the one to lose. Even if the guy just has a couple .303s. :p
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forum search, I keep tryin the search but gives me message of not writing enough words, no matter how many words i type.
anyway couldn't find results on LA perking so why dont some of ya gimme a few reasons why it isn't perked.
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Because La7 and Spit 16 give the new guys a chance to have fun too?
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Because La7 and Spit 16 give the new guys a chance to have fun too?
Bah! Humbug! New guys should be forced to fly P-40Bs and Ju-87s so that I can show how "1337" I am by slaughtering them wholesale in my Ki-84.
What? You say they won't subscribe if that is what they face? Nonsense I tell you, they will feel privileged and honored to be the target drones of the great Karnak!
:rofl
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I would appreciate if HTC would respond with there (or their) reason on why it isnt perked.
even if it does give newbs a chance it is still allowed to everyone. Its like allowing aluminum bats in pro baseball.
i wouldnt like watchin a game of both teams continuously hittin homers.
nor do i like bein hit with aluminum bat.
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Err LA7 is not 1337 nuff to perk, Gotta have a reason to perk it first.
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what do you mean its not 1337 (im guessin that means uber)nuff to perk, only 2 planes can out run it, tempy and 262 ( a plane well worth the perks, and a JET!)
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Bottom line is that you have to cut the free and perk line somewhere. That somewhere seems to be the La-7, Spitfire Mk XVI and N1K2-J.
Sure, you could move it a bit father back and perk those three, but then you'll just have the Spitfire Mk VIII and Typhoon Mk IIb fill their place. Sure, they're not quite as good, but they're pretty dang close. Closer by far than the usage numbers indicate. People just gravitate toward any tidbit extra advantage and that mean a disproportianate number go to the best of the easy planes, leaving the very slightly inferior with vastly lower usage.
So when that happens, do you perk the Tiffie and Spit VIII? If so, do you then perk the Ki-84 and Fw190D-9? Where does it end?
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Hi bagrat. The subject has been discussed (some would say 'discussed to death...') for years and the conclusion is evident - the plane is not perked.
HTC is very unlikely to respond, so perhaps pursuing it further will only frustrate you and others. Keep flying and playing, the game will grow on you more and more with time. You can survive running into La-7s, or even fight fire with fire. Good luck and have fun.
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Originally posted by bagrat
forum search, I keep tryin the search but gives me message of not writing enough words, no matter how many words i type.
anyway couldn't find results on LA perking so why dont some of ya gimme a few reasons why it isn't perked.
you can not search for "la7"...
all words in the search must have four letters or more.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
you can not search for "la7"...
all words in the search must have four letters or more.
Type
lala
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the only reason that we so so many noob spit16's about is the ease of use, which is historically correct, so what is HT to do?
its only the noobs that ho and fly lgays, and only education will change that, which is what needs to happen, not perking. every time you see a guy ho you, shout the s*** out of him on 200, and really make him feel bad (all vets need to help with this), and hopefully soon, the hoing and tardishness will stop, but the change needs to come from the players, not HTC
its the young noskill dweebs that cause the whole of the MA to be a joke, and it needs to stop
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now why in the hell is the f4u4 perked i mean it has 6 50 cals is pretty fast and all but look at the LA7 3 20mm way faster then the f4u4 i mean eather take the f4u4 off perk or make the LA7 perked. the spit 16 really isnt that good REALLY i mean the KI84 is almost the same plane just a lil slower in the dive. i love seeing the spit 16 they cant run like a newb la7 can if u get a spit into a turn fight its do or die. no way u can run from anything unless the other guy is in a hurricane or a6m. the LA7 is way over used and every time i c one it seems like it can do anything thing. alls im saying is eather make the LA7 perked or the F4u4 off perk i think that would be better.
CATFISH6
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Originally posted by bagrat
what do you mean its not 1337 (im guessin that means uber)nuff to perk, only 2 planes can out run it, tempy and 262 ( a plane well worth the perks, and a JET!)
163,234 also
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Its not the Spit16/La7 that HOs, its the pilot. Perking them wont change the pilot.
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if u are in front of my guns i am going to fire its the only chance i get,before some bugger shoots me down.
its not the plane that hos it only goes where its pointed,unless its a 110 or a mossie
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I got great film of a little experiment I did. In it person after person HOed my 110! I'm talking people in 109Fs, YakUs, P40s, etc, I mean these things aren't exactly heavy hitters in the lethality department! They rely on the HO and are so clueless as what to do besides it, that they will go nose to nose with 4x20mms and 2x30mms instead of simply out manuevering me in a superior aircraft. That's what I find sad about the game and many of it's players today. If you're in a yakU and don't have enough sense to realize you're in for a world of hurt HOing a 110, then I feel sorry for ya!
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Hey, im proud to admit I was stupid enough to HO a F4U-1C in my lil HMk1. Best thing about it: I got him a fuel leak (since he was vulching... err... capping our base, he *cant* have mde it back) and got away unscathed. Only to be picked shortly after.
While im a person that STRONGLY avoids HOs (i felt kind of bad about me lacking to resist above mentioned HO), it just goes to show that "desperate times call for desperate measures".
But generally i dont consider HO a good option, because of two things.
First, you allow the other guy a gun solution and make it a 50/50.
Second, going for the HO usually means that in the fight you think primarily about getting your guns on the opponent. Basically thats a good idea, but - patience is a virtue - sometimes you can get more out of going for a six position then going for a snapshot. Especially with my crappy gunnery. Going for the shot can make you - unneccessarily - loose angle.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Hey, im proud to admit I was stupid enough to HO a F4U-1C in my lil HMk1. Best thing about it: I got him a fuel leak (since he was vulching... err... capping our base, he *cant* have mde it back) and got away unscathed. Only to be picked shortly after.
While im a person that STRONGLY avoids HOs (i felt kind of bad about me lacking to resist above mentioned HO), it just goes to show that "desperate times call for desperate measures".
But generally i dont consider HO a good option, because of two things.
First, you allow the other guy a gun solution and make it a 50/50.
Second, going for the HO usually means that in the fight you think primarily about getting your guns on the opponent. Basically thats a good idea, but - patience is a virtue - sometimes you can get more out of going for a six position then going for a snapshot. Especially with my crappy gunnery. Going for the shot can make you - unneccessarily - loose angle.
I agree 100% schatzi. But in my example above most HOs were lined up at about 2k at alt, not out of despiration.
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i read here somewhere someone said that it is the person who HOs not the plane and that perking either of these planes would not change that.
I'de have to disagree because people in perk planes tend to be more careful, and if they are reckless enough to contsantly HO in these planes they will eventually run out of perks and not be able to fly them.
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Ok to you guys that seem to think HOing a 110 or IL2 is just crazy.... Welll I beg to differ. Tonight I HO'd both I don't usually try to go for the HO but they pointed their nose at me and I was happy to accept the joust (kinda fun) first was a 110 and I was in an F4U we HO and he hits my engine oil but he dies. Next was Hondo in an IL2 me in Seafire we HO I hit him but he hits me better my wing pops off we laugh about it and continue on. Last is me in A6M5B and Eper in the IL2 we HO I plaster him, he misses me compleatly and it looked like his wing came off. He dies and I tell him on 200 not to HO my Zeke. He replies "I didn't think I could lose." I think we both kinda chuckled about this and went on flying.
In short it all depends on who has the better aim, not the better guns.
Now as to the subject of this thread, I would like more perk planes or lower the perk bar so that I could have more planes to spend my perks on.
I love flying the early war stuff and the fast late war stuff just don't seem that fun, although I am gravitating to the F4U-4 some. I have about 4250 fighter points and really nothing I want to spend them on. I get as many kills in my KI-61 as I do in a perk fighter.
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Originally posted by bagrat
i read here somewhere someone said that it is the person who HOs not the plane and that perking either of these planes would not change that.
I'de have to disagree because people in perk planes tend to be more careful, and if they are reckless enough to contsantly HO in these planes they will eventually run out of perks and not be able to fly them.
That was me bagrat. I agree with you one the account of people being more carful with their perk rides.
But i think perking the Spit/La will not result in the "HO-noobs" flying those planes more carefully, IMHO they will just switch to the next free "best plane" in line and HO away in those. You could probably play that game untill all but the 1939 planes are perked.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Ok to you guys that seem to think HOing a 110 or IL2 is just crazy.... Welll I beg to differ. Tonight I HO'd both I don't usually try to go for the HO but they pointed their nose at me and I was happy to accept the joust (kinda fun) first was a 110 and I was in an F4U we HO and he hits my engine oil but he dies. Next was Hondo in an IL2 me in Seafire we HO I hit him but he hits me better my wing pops off we laugh about it and continue on. Last is me in A6M5B and Eper in the IL2 we HO I plaster him, he misses me compleatly and it looked like his wing came off. He dies and I tell him on 200 not to HO my Zeke. He replies "I didn't think I could lose." I think we both kinda chuckled about this and went on flying.
Very true Flayed, if the opponent in the 110/IL2 misses, then it's no big deal. But the thing is MOST of the time an IL2/110 just has to put a round or 2 of cannon on you for you to go boom while you have to get some concentrated fire on them. Odds are, you both die or the non-IL2 does. Also how were the HOs set up? Like I said I had 1.5-2k to line up, it's very hard to miss with that much time.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
That was me bagrat. I agree with you one the account of people being more carful with their perk rides.
But i think perking the Spit/La will not result in the "HO-noobs" flying those planes more carefully, IMHO they will just switch to the next free "best plane" in line and HO away in those. You could probably play that game untill all but the 1939 planes are perked.
Yup, spit8 or 9 has the same ammo load as a 16. A tiffy is almost as fast as a lala and with better guns.
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I wouldn't say 16's are hard to kill, Yaks are tougher, lala queens are just annoying.
Get into a spit 8 and you will easily kill a 16 (if your gig is flying spits)
I find the K4 and the Yak does a good job of killing spit 16's ( I think lol)
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Ki-84 should be perked LONG before the Spit 16. Only problem I have against 16s is that no matter what my e state and position (above, behind, below, 3 oclock, 9 oclock whatever) they ALWAYS seem to be forcing me to HO (grrrrr!).
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get em both slow and pretty much any ally plane with flaps can out maneuver them both
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Conversation from the main country channel last night:
Part of the complaints of the Spit XVI may have nothing to do with its real life performance, but of its ACES HIGH capability. A lot of guys I was talking to think that some of the 16's performance may be punked.
I've seen 16s do some seriously fubar things. I've been in 450-500mph dives, when a Spit 16 latched onto my tail, FROM LEVEL FLIGHT, and immediately began closing distance on me. Top level speed in a 16 is what, ~360-380mph at the atlitudes most fights take place in the MA? And yet these guys are closing distance entering a diving tailchase from level flight within only 2-3000ft, against a target that ALREADY had a serious head of steam (and when I need to jet, I go down full power/WEP)? Other guys in the MA have seen the exact same thing happen against aircraft that are supposed to be among the best divers (P-47s, F4Us, Doras, etc), so I KNOW it's not me (well, diving may not be a good example as it's been frequently reported the whole dive model is porked, but there were other examples of 16s doing things that they really shouldn't).
So there MAY be something to the complaints over the 16, but the best approach would be to fix the flightmodel, THEN see if it should still be perked.
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ya but im just sick of upping and seeing 25 la7s, way over used. would b nice to c a person fly a real plane for a change. as for spit 16s they aint hard to kil at all. u can simple dodge a HO. but all LA7s do is run when nothing goes way just alot boring seeing them.
CATFISH6
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Originally posted by Saxman
Ki-84 should be perked LONG before the Spit 16. Only problem I have against 16s is that no matter what my e state and position (above, behind, below, 3 oclock, 9 oclock whatever) they ALWAYS seem to be forcing me to HO (grrrrr!).
Well, the Ki-84 has some notable weaknesses. Among these are the inability to follow most aircraft in a dive without risking the loss of control surfaces. It also displays wicked stall behavior under loads of three Gs and above. It suffers from stiffening elevators above 350 mph, requiring a lot of up-elevator trim, which in turn requires constant adjustment or physically carrying down elevator most of the time. I don't think it requires perking and its relatively light usage backs that up.
My regards,
Widewing
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Oh, I agree that most everything, especially the American iron, SHOULD run from a Ki in a dive. However I disagree with you on whether it actually HAPPENS.
I'd have to say the only Spitfire I like is the one that's hung himself nicely on his prop while zooming up on a target (those wings sure do pop off easy). That and the friendly one shaking off the other Spit that's latched on to my six.
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Originally posted by Saxman
I'd have to say the only Spitfire I like is the one that's hung himself nicely on his prop while zooming up on a target (those wings sure do pop off easy). That and the friendly one shaking off the other Spit that's latched on to my six.
P38 is probably the best fight for the KI84. Both are known UFOs in the game and have simular performance in a lot of catagories. Makes for a good fight.
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Is there a list of the planes and what their perk value is? Outside the game, maybe on the website or readme file? Cant get my game to run so if it is in the hangar or something I cant see it lol! Just wondering.....