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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Jethro_Bodine on January 20, 2006, 04:32:58 AM
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http://www.alldumb.com/content/2006012005157381/21809
Watch that. (real life acrobatic move)
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that was cool as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BALLS OF STEEL
or perhaps a death whish?
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Originally posted by mussie
BALLS OF STEEL
...and brains of mush.
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Im in the brains of mush camp.
Looking at the abrupt, almost stalled inverted push out. Id say he got closer to the ground than he wished. I.E. **** his britches on the push.
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Im in the brains of mush camp.
Have you been flying inverted under some bridges :huh or handleing your plane in some some other insane manner ...?
Let me guss your testing flight modeling for a new stunt arena :p
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THAT GUYS GOT BIG GIBBLETS!!!
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Perk that plane :))
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wow what kinda plane was that? reminds me of things my rc 3d flyer can do, must be extra class? Did such a nice controled roll, sorta popped up and eased right in , inverted, beutifull. he cleared that bank by 5 feet or so, id say that moment after he completed it and was not doing any moves he was pulling his stomack out of his throat and thanking the greater powers!
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Jurgis Kairys and his Sukhoi Su-31
http://www.jkairys.com/english/index.htm
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Mussie : You miss understand my post.
Not that I fly in the brains of mush camp, But wrather My view is that he has brains of mush.
My personal favorite manaver is just going 230 mph at 2-3 feet off runaways.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
THAT GUYS GOT BIG GIBBLETS!!!
and tiny, tiny brains
asw
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I'm in the brains of mush camp too HT.
That guy should have his licence taken away. He looks like an accident waiting for a place to happen to me. A pretty poor decision. The people who were on that bridge were very lucky. So was the pilot.
RTR
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Story behind the bridge under flying: The Ten Bridges of Vilnius (http://www.seqair.com/Hangar/Dovydenas/Bridges/Vilnius.html)
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Looks just like our FW-190 floppy fish maneuver seen in the MA. The guy is unreal.
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LOLHAY - Take a pill RTR. Not every country is so uptight about stunt flying as the USA.
That is just mad Skillzzzz, BIG BALLS! and a great plane!
You should see these guys fly through the hole in a rock in china, again mad Skillzz! I'll find the movie and post it.
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Pill don't fix that one Mars.
Doesn't matter what country it is. The fact is, is that the people on the bridge were about an inch of pull on the stick away from catastrophe.
I really don't care who the pilot was. He made a bad decision and got away with it. Those things don't always work out that way. It was irresponsible.
RTR
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Originally posted by RTR
Pill don't fix that one Mars.
Doesn't matter what country it is. The fact is, is that the people on the bridge were about an inch of pull on the stick away from catastrophe.
I really don't care who the pilot was. He made a bad decision and got away with it. Those things don't always work out that way. It was irresponsible.
RTR
Thank god he wasn't barnstorming.
Karaya
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Originally posted by mars01
You should see these guys fly through the hole in a rock in china, again mad Skillzz! I'll find the movie and post it.
These at left side?
http://www.haute-voltige.com/inter/videos/videos.htm
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Originally posted by RTR
I'm in the brains of mush camp too HT.
That guy should have his licence taken away. He looks like an accident waiting for a place to happen to me. A pretty poor decision. The people who were on that bridge were very lucky. So was the pilot.
RTR
Do you think whether or not his certificate is in his pocket will make any difference? Just means they can't take it away :) My experience isn't stuck inside a little piece of plastic...take it away and that doesn't mean I don't know how to fly.
To add...
At no point was he out of control of that airplane.
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link don't work
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Bah. I could probably do most of that...once
;)
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seeing that guy fly in more than a few films that his team has done, that plane was under complete control the entire time.
RTR, you need to relax pal.
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Originally posted by RTR
He looks like an accident waiting for a place to happen to me.
No guts, no glory. That's why, in AH arenas, you're the prey and not the predator.
The guy is just good beyond your comprehension.
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HOLY !@#$ing chit
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man what was his tail 3 feet off that bank in an inverted push climb,
amazing, hope he ain't married could hear the complaining already.
Wife:Itold you to mow the lawn,and not with your plane.
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Mussie : You miss understand my post.
Not that I fly in the brains of mush camp, But wrather My view is that he has brains of mush.
My personal favorite manaver is just going 230 mph at 2-3 feet off runaways.
HiTech
Man if yay screw up doing that your gonna hate the ditch model.... LOL
Runs and Hides
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Remember the days when you saw Evil Kinevil jump and said "man thats cool". When did it start to be "Man thats irresponsible, someone could have been hurt" Basically just wonder when the world filled with Pu**ies?
Glenn
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Doesn't matter what country it is. The fact is, is that the people on the bridge were about an inch of pull on the stick away from catastrophe.
Hey if those people want to take the risk why should you stand in their way, it's their life. Why would we need the gov or anyone else tell us what to do?
I really don't care who the pilot was. He made a bad decision and got away with it. Those things don't always work out that way. It was irresponsible.
NO, he is a professional, that is what these guys do. There is a big difference.
These at left side?
Bino, yeah thanks Xjaz. Check out the book "No Visible Horizon" It talks about how a handfull of pilots, best of the best, were invited to fly through this rock. The book talks about how each pilot is not thinking how can I do this, but what am I going to do? Loop through it, roll through, fly inverted through it. It was pretty cool.
The book also talks about a bridge fly under much like this where one of the pilots pankakes the water on the last quarter of the loop. Morph has my book so he will have to post the pilots name. He is one of our American all stars flying today.
These are guys they call "Zero Tolerance" individuals, that have honed their skills to a fine edge and are capable of these kinds of feats and are far from irresponsible.
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For me it was when I had my first crash that did not involve someone else.
I had been hit twice by cars, but had never dropped my motor bikes with out "UNREQUESTED ASSISTANCE".
The night I went down in the rain going uphill and straight really kicked my ego in the goolies..... (I hit a patch of cement powder some prettythang had dropped on the road. cement powder gets real slippery when wet)
I found myself calling an ambulace in the middle of nowhere with no street lights at two am in the morning. I thought I had broken ribs, turned out it was a dislocated shoulder.....
Point is I was going strainght, up hill doing the speed limit...... If I had been doing 200 (like I have done on the same road) i would have been very very dead......
That was the point where I went from bold rider to old rider.......
Perhaps If I did not have a family to support I would think differently but that is not the case.
Later
PS: that pilot is insane, but he does have balls of steel....
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Originally posted by mars01
These are guys they call "Zero Tolerance" individuals, that have honed their skills to a fine edge and are capable of these kinds of feats and are far from irresponsible.
Take another look at the video. There are people on the bridge. People who likely don't know the risk they are taking by being there. If someone wants to risk their own life that's fine - Darwin at work. Doing the same sort of thing and putting the lives of others at risk is utterly irresponsible.
asw
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that is stupid.
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Take another look at the video. There are people on the bridge. People who likely don't know the risk they are taking by being there. If someone wants to risk their own life that's fine - Darwin at work. Doing the same sort of thing and putting the lives of others at risk is utterly irresponsible.
Who is debating that there are people on the bridge? Nice try. Do you have any information about those people on the bridge? Do you know who they are? Do you know why they are there? Do you have any clue WTF you are talking about? These exhibitoins are planned and controlled. Are you retarded enough to think these guys are out on a leisurely sunday flight just flying under bridges?:rolleyes: Get a clue next time, cause your rent a clue aint working LOLH:rofl
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here he is at work! look at those stupid people!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/reacher10/6862191.jpg)
after he landed....now does he look scared!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/reacher10/Christos1.jpg)
as a quick side note....thats is my buddy working for a living and one of the "Sick Puppies" squad...some guys have all the luck!
last but not least....the last time i looked at War Birds things were NOT looking up!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/reacher10/6509261.jpg)
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt for your experience and assumed you had keyed on the airplane and missed the safety issues. Seeing as that assumption was way off base I'm just glad you're not in my airspace.
Big balls & tiny brains don't make good pilots, just dead ones which isn't altogether a bad thing provided they die alone. The problem is they seldom do.
asw
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Looking at the abrupt, almost stalled inverted push out. Id say he got closer to the ground than he wished. I.E. **** his britches on the push.
I'm not sure about that. After watching and looking for just that, it seems he is established inverted level, befor the push out and not decending still. There is a second or so that he seems to hold it. I think the push out was for the crowd and the show. It looks like he holds the vert, long enough to set up the series of snaps at the end.
I can't imagine what it must be like to watch, live, let alone what the people must have felt and smelled as that big 9 cylinder, 300+ HP radial, Suk flies a mear 50 or a 100 feet below them. The percussive wave from the engine alone in their chests as he flew by must have been sick!
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt for your experience and assumed you had keyed on the airplane and missed the safety issues. Seeing as that assumption was way off base I'm just glad you're not in my airspace.
What are you insinuating? Because I see these people as professionals there is a problem and I am a safety issue? Maybe you are that stoopid, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.:aok
Big balls & tiny brains don't make good pilots, just dead ones which isn't altogether a bad thing provided they die alone. The problem is they seldom do.
Who are you to judge anyones brains? PLease tell me everything about this event that you know that makes this guy have a small brain.
It's misinformed and uneducated people like yourself that give the sport a bad rap. 99% of the people who participate understand the risks, and mitigate them by careful planning, much training and alot of skill. To think they are stupid is pure ignorance.
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Originally posted by detch01
Big balls & tiny brains don't make good pilots, just dead ones which isn't altogether a bad thing provided they die alone. The problem is they seldom do.
asw
According to the J. Kairys homepage, he is a air frame engineer, who has important role during Sukhoi aerobatic plane series developing.
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Awesome flying. Only a very few people possess the skill/guts to fly like that.
Also, for the people on the Bridge...they got to know that there might be a chance they are going to get hurt. It’s just like the people who stand right on the road at Rally races. It’s not the pilot/drivers fault if someone gets hurt. If you want to stay safe, stay off the bridge/road!
Now if this was an act of random flying under a bridge, I would call that irresponsible, but if this was a closed off event, then the people on the bridge know what they are getting into. If they get hurt it’s no ones fault but their own.
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I get goose bumps everytime I see that clip. GREAT flying. The party is always jumpin' at the Red Bull races. :)
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Hey as long as the people on the bridge signed a waivor, I am cool.
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Oh my god someone else is out there being reckless and careless flying under bridges. Actually a whole lot of someones!
Darn...that dumb track in the Red Bull races had contestants flying underneath a bridge...how careless, reckless and irresponsible.
(http://www.millhouse.nl/graphics/FredKamphues05D15023.jpg)
Try a search for images from the Budapest, Hungary race. They were flying under a very much historic/landmark/symbolic bridge and I don't think anyone who was screaming "WOOO" was thinking about waiver. There were over a million people (1.2 million comes to mind) in attendance.
Like someone said...they're just good beyond the AH player comprehension.
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Jurgis Kairys and his Sukhoi Su-31
Hate to be the pedant, but it's a Su-26. It was the first ever permited inverted flight under a bridge...er, of course. Kaunus in Lituania, 2000. He's been world champion several times. Calculated risk, nothing wrong there.
KD
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did you guys see this:
http://mirror.vector.ch/%7Ehvoltige/videos/peter_goes_low.mpg
and this:
http://mirror.vector.ch/%7Ehvoltige/videos/zhang-jia-jie2.mpg
:O
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Originally posted by detch01
I gave you the benefit of the doubt for your experience and assumed you had keyed on the airplane and missed the safety issues. Seeing as that assumption was way off base I'm just glad you're not in my airspace.
Big balls & tiny brains don't make good pilots, just dead ones which isn't altogether a bad thing provided they die alone. The problem is they seldom do.
asw
I'm a bit suprised at the lack of knowledge exibited by this remark. This is nothing that guys like Bob Hoover and Chuck Yeager didnt do all the time. In fact Bob Hoover flew what was considered an "insane" routine in Russia during a Soviet airshow to show the russians up....they actually kicked him out of the country for it since they had baned him from flying it:).
Call it stupid for sure, but if your calling it unprofessional then your simply not recognizing the planning and pure pilot ability involved. Go call the Blue Angels unprofessional to.....they've killed more spectators then this guy has. Stunt flying is simply the highest expression of pilot ability and you tend to weed out the bad (or unlucky) sticks pretty quickly:).......
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Originally posted by Golfer
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Like someone said...they're just good beyond the AH player comprehension.
thats not true, i fully comprehend how good this flying is.
we can do the same in AH, have flown through a hanger, rolled inverted in the space between two hangers (maybe 15ft max) and flown through the next hanger inverted. In real life it would be just as possible, obviously big difference is when i screw up its not my life at risk.
this guy is a nutcase, a highly skilled pilot, and no doubt in possesion of large amounts of fully functioning brain cells.
it amazes me that people can say dying watching a super air show is sad, but going to war and being shot is heroic.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
did you guys see this:
http://mirror.vector.ch/%7Ehvoltige/videos/peter_goes_low.mpg
and this:
http://mirror.vector.ch/%7Ehvoltige/videos/zhang-jia-jie2.mpg
:O
:O :huh: :eek: Betcha that guy on the second vid plays alot of crimson skies...
Falcon
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some of the guys in this thread need to shut down their computers, turn their TVs to the Disney channel and then break their remotes for good. :confused: hehe
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Based on some of the comments here, some of you guys really need to take a look at the link provided to this guys site, and perhaps read his bio/resume. This guy is a multiple world champion aerobatics pilot, who designed the plane he is flying, and there are pics of the obviously planned preparation for this stunt flight.
I'm not sure who would be considered crazier, this guy, or the 737 pilot flying through wind sheer at night, in winter, praying to God that the maintenance team did a perfect job on the de-icing equipment, and betting his and his passengers lives on the air traffic controller having his console absolutely nailed?
Does anyone seriously think that a multi time world champ hasn't done all of his homework, test flights etc to KNOW he was going to be right on the money? Seriously, do any of you REALLY think this guy left a damn thing to chance?
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That guy has an aluminum shower in his future. I don't care how good he is - fly long enough, you push yr luck.
And those of us on this board who are actually drivers know this.
Wolf
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Bus Drivers?
Again a statement that couldnt be farther from the truth. Statistically the single greatest issue in pilot fatalities is pilot error. The second is mechanical failure (or commonly a combination of failure and incorrect pilot response). "Luck" is so far down the list its a statistical anomaly. For a pilot of this type the entire flight is well within his skill envelope. The only thing the guy was pushing was his plane. Even good pilots make errors...I knew a good oilfield bush pilot who died when the 172 he was flying developed carb ice (was right in the meteorlogical preflight) and he deadsticked it onto the only patch of rocks in 5 miles (local vis was about zero apparently)....a second lost his instruments (primary and backup) at night in a thunderstorm....
None of the guys I know who have died flying died from anything other than "wrong place, wrong time" usually tied to flying into a known problem they felt they had a high probability of managing based on years and thousands of hours of experience. Anyone who flies knows that its 99.5% boredom and .5% sphincter puckering....I know no 1000 hr pilots without at least 1 good story to tell........
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Originally posted by 68Hall
Based on some of the comments here, some of you guys really need to take a look at the link provided to this guys site, and perhaps read his bio/resume. This guy is a multiple world champion aerobatics pilot... Seriously, do any of you REALLY think this guy left a damn thing to chance?
My sentiments exactly. The same negative "how damn irresponsible, blah blah blah" I've been reading here could be said about F1 drivers doing 210MPH under bridges...It's perceived risk. Risk, indeed, but not quite as much risk as you might be led to believe. That's the attraction of such spectacle. The professional men and women who do things which seem so very very dangerous don't have any intention of dying, and very few do die. It's similar with rock climbing. You watch some top climber climb a cliff without a rope and you think, "Jeez what a nutter, he'll fall off and die!" He almost certainly won't fall off and die because he's doing something well within his limits. Of course if you watch your drunk friend climb a building on the way home from the pub, yeah he's probably headed for brains on pavement time. We see an expert do something and we judge it against the abilities of a skill-free arse. That's partly what makes such things so exciting and impressive to watch.
I think that, for all it's appearance of death defying madness, Jurgis Kairis' inverted flight under the bridge was well within his limits.
Before judging him, you really need to find out more about the man and his aerobatic abilities. If he was an average pilot, then yes, it was crazy and irresponsible. He isn't - it wasn't.
KD
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