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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BBQ_Bob on January 21, 2006, 12:52:29 AM
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(http://libraries.mit.edu/archives/exhibits/flight/img/F8F-fighter-lg.jpg)
The F8F Bearcat, I understand this baby had 4 20mm Cannons and was faster then greased lightning But it looks like this bird never saw any combat.
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It NEEDS the I.A.R. 81c, P-39 and the Mig 3. Nothing more in terms of Fighters.
Karaya
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Very minimal if any. Would have seen as much combat as an F7F.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
It NEEDS the I.A.R. 81c, P-39 and the Mig 3. Nothing more in terms of Fighters.
Karaya
MiG-3 for early war, Yak-3 for late.
P-39 for sure.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
MiG-3 for early war, Yak-3 for late.
P-39 for sure.
I'd imagine that we'll have a chance of seeing those once CT (formerly ToD) is finished. I'm assuming CT will eventually run an eastern front, and the ruskie rides are in serious need of an overhaul.. that opens the door for some new toys :aok
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F8F saw NO combat in WWII. It wasn't even deployed by the time the war ended.
In fact, no F8Fs in American hands EVER saw combat. By Korea the USN/MC had largely moved to jets (retaining the F4U and AD Skyraider). AFAIK the only F8Fs to actually fly combat sorties were with the French.
Although the "What If" campaign seriously ROCKED in Aces of the Pacific. It was fun squaring off against Kikkas in a P-80. :D One question tho: Where were the Marines?!
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The topic is what AH needs....
My answer is dancing girls.
:aok
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Although, if we're going to make a wishlist for wet-dream fighters, put me down for THIS beast. :D
(http://www.kitparade.com/gallery01/images/F2G_right.jpg)
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Originally posted by Howitzer
The topic is what AH needs....
My answer is dancing girls.
:aok
:lol
MORE girls in AH? You sure you guys could handle that? :t
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Originally posted by Saxman
Although, if we're going to make a wishlist for wet-dream fighters, put me down for THIS beast. :D
(http://www.kitparade.com/gallery01/images/F2G_right.jpg)
f2g stank
not nearly as fast as earlier models. i think the f4u4 was faster by 50mph+
the engine was HUGE, but it was very heavy, and the net drag from the plane meant that it didnt go any faster. also big problems with torque, it was a 3400 hp engine rofl
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
The F8F Bearcat it looks like this bird never saw any combat.
And it won't see any combat in AH either...
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430mph at level flight according to most stats I've seen.
The problem with the F2G was that, unlike the early-model Hogs, Goodyear didn't have time to work out the kinks before the war ended and the project was abandoned. However private racers took over the job and the F2G absolutely dominated aircraft like the P-51 (clocked at 470mph level with a 4400 fpm initial rate of climb).
So I'd say it's unfair to judge the Super Hog based on the performance of the prototypes, and one REALLY needs to look at how she handled once her rough edges were smoothed over to get an idea of how the actual production model would have flown.
I'm not saying the final production F2G would've quite performed at that level (I don't know all the modifications made by the racers) but it certainly would have been one wicked machine.
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The LA 9 !
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It never ceases to amaze me. Why some of the players wish to see this WWII Sim, turn into a Korean War Sim. If you suck a** in a WWII plane, you'll suck worse a** in a Korean War craft. "Garbage in, Garbage out."
Karaya
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Hey, I don't want to see it. I'm just saying as long as people are posting...
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
(http://libraries.mit.edu/archives/exhibits/flight/img/F8F-fighter-lg.jpg)
The F8F Bearcat, I understand this baby had 4 20mm Cannons and was faster then greased lightning But it looks like this bird never saw any combat.
The F8F-1 was the first aircraft finished, and the closest to have been deployed. VF-19 had taken delivery but was not finished with the familiarization in type by the end of the war. The F8F-1 (765 produced) had 4 .50 cals. That is all, follow up aircraft, ie, the F8F-1B had 4 20's, but only 100 were produced. THe next major version, the F8F-2 was equipped standard with 20mm's, but suffered from the additional weight in armour, and associated techs, that made the aircraft heavier, and less maneuverable. Every pilot I have ever talked to, liked the -1 more so than the -2.
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Sabres and MiGs Sabres and MiGs
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Originally posted by Schatzi
:lol
MORE girls in AH? You sure you guys could handle that? :t
I said "dancing" not "talking".. LOL
j/k :p
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Originally posted by Glasses
Sabres and MiGs Sabres and MiGs
Yes, please :aok
culero (MiGs must DIE!)
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Dogfighting in jets with air brakes ROCKS!!!!!!! guns guns guns
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Originally posted by Saxman
F8F saw NO combat in WWII. It wasn't even deployed by the time the war ended.
Two squadrons, VF-18 and VF-19 were equipped with F8F-1s, and training was expedited in order to get the new fighter into service against Japanese suicide attack planes in the Pacific.
VF-19 was onboard the carrier USS Langley, enroute across the Pacific, when the war ended on August 16, 1945.
VF-19 was a combat qualified squadron.
NavyHistory.com Langley (http://www.multied.com/Navy/CV27Langley.html)
After touching Ulithi and Pearl Harbor, she steamed to San Francisco,arriving 3 June for repairs and modernization. She departed 1 August forthe forward area, and reached Pearl Harbor 8 August. While there, word arrivedthat hostilities had ended.
Seems to me the Bearcat meets "deployed" criteria. Langley departed San Fran with an operational VF-19 before the war ended.
The Bearcat doesn't meet "engaged in WW2 combat" criteria, however.
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no plane should be included in AH that did not come withen engagement range of an armed enemy, and spys in pearl harbor dont count.
we dont need no almost rans in AH.
And you people who ask for almost rans should also realize, it wont only be you flying the thing every other lemming in the MA will be too.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
it wont only be you flying the thing every other lemming in the MA will be too.
And that would be different from what we have now in what way?
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i thought all AH needed was a b29 an n00k :huh :confused:
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You're all WAY off message!
What Aces High needs is the Enola Gay and nuclear weapons of mass destruction. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Max
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Sorry Mustaine...just noticed your similar post of 2 hrs ago. Story of my life :O
Max
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Originally posted by DMax
Sorry Mustaine...just noticed your similar post of 2 hrs ago. Story of my life :O
Max
lol np i won :p
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Let's just give those kamikazee stukabuff dweebs something worthwhile to fly. V-1 Buzz Bomb! It costs a ton of bomber perks, but no matter what you kill it's always a death.
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A filter that automatically deletes any post that starts with
"the (enter favorite un-perked uber plane here) needs to perked".
Mike
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You give me a B-29 and I'll rasie you a MiG and a Sabre Jet. :D
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Originally posted by Saxman
Let's just give those kamikazee stukabuff dweebs something worthwhile to fly. V-1 Buzz Bomb! It costs a ton of bomber perks, but no matter what you kill it's always a death.
Even better.....baka.
(http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Etc/Weapons/Ohka/ohka-2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Glasses
You give me a B-29 and I'll rasie you a MiG and a Sabre Jet. :D
Tell you what, you raise a MiG and I'll raise a Sabre...:D
culero
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Yeah, I forgot all about that. :D
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Yes the F8F is soooo much more needed then a decent lineup of Russian and Japanese fighters and bombers... definatly...
/sarcasm off
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What AH really really needs, is a better DM.
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Or at least a better kill recording system (blow the wing off a seemingly undamaged Hurricane and only get an assist?! WTF? Just because someone may have put a few more rounds than me where it didn't cause any appreciable or noticeable damage?)
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Originally posted by wetrat
MiG-3 for early war, Yak-3 for late.
P-39 for sure.
I'd imagine that we'll have a chance of seeing those once CT (formerly ToD) is finished. I'm assuming CT will eventually run an eastern front, and the ruskie rides are in serious need of an overhaul.. that opens the door for some new toys :aok
If we are talking about eastern front on CT what we definitely need are I-16, P-39 and Yak-1.
Mig-3 would be absolutely useless in CT or MA. High altitude fighter with 2 7.62 guns and 1 12.7 gun (2 .303 and 1 .50) it has bad perfromance being low. It was rarely used, and only 3300 were produced.
Yak-3 is nice to have but we already have one Russian uber for late war, so
it is not urgent.
With current set of planes it is just impossible to recreate early years of the war on the Eastern front.
Eastern front:
41-42: I-16, I-153, Hurrikane, Lagg-3, Mig-3
42-43: Yak-1, Yak-7, P-39
43-44: Yak-9, La-5
44-45: L5FN, La-7, Yak-3