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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: meddog on January 21, 2006, 01:15:25 AM
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HT can do what ever he pleases but in my opinion i'm not sure posting the top score potatos on the home page is condusive to a positive playing environment. When this happends, people start worring more about their scores and start playing less as a team. You can be a team player or you can be a score potato but you cant be both. Just my opinion
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Some can be neither. Only reason why score bothers me is because it just gives someone a reason to run away.
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I like it for two reasons. First, people have to play a lot to get top score, and getting recognition for that is OK by me. It might promote playing a lot of AH, which I'm in favor of. Second, I'd bet the top scorers are generally skilled pilots.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Some can be neither. Only reason why score bothers me is because it just gives someone a reason to run away.
Well said.
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Originally posted by Brooke
I'd bet the top scorers are generally skilled pilots.
That's a sucker's bet. You'd lose some good money with that assumption.
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Yeah, IMHO the "top sticks" are usually ranked between 1000 and 500 overall rank. But then... rank means s*** where skill is concerned.
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yeah, only new guys really think rank is an indicator of pilot skill, the whole score thing does annoy me, maybe it would be better to just have player stats on the score page, instead of an actual rrank, saying that you are 1583rd most skilled in the game.
score means nothing to me, im first to rush into a furball of any odds, and my k/d ratio shows it lol, i think its 1.5 or slightly over, and thats only because of finding a bomber mission in a 262 the other night :D
thing is though, that score has no effect on how good a pilot is, all the vets know it, only the noobs and scorepotatos care about it
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Score is meaningless... we are here to have fun, it is just a game.
Do I get shot down? Yea, a whole lot and I really don't care... heck, I think I've landed less than half my flights.
Who cares? We can always reup in another pristine P38 fully fueled and re-armed.
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I enjoy flying all aspects of the game, including GV's. I do not claim to be a skilled pilot. I am better than average in fighters, bombers, and GV's. Over the course of a month, my rank drops to a very low level. The only thing I did this month that would remotely be score whoring, was to torpedo some barges that were near my CV.
Next thing you know, I have a low rank.
What does it mean? You can have a low rank with average or slightly better skills.
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Rank is easy to achieve if you want it. any of the better sticks will have a low fighter rank anyway without even going for it just by the way they fly. All it would take is another 5 or so sorties doing the rankpotato stuff and they would be top 50 (or likely much lower).
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Ummmm....whats rank?
To me rank is just for those people that think that theyre better than everyone else saying you must suck since your rank is bad and that Im so much better than you cause my rank is so good. Only good thing about rank is get to mess with the cv. :D
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I can understand some of the complaints about scores but it has it's advantages. For one thing, we all prize "realism" in the game, right? Since we have the ultimate "unrealism" of being able to immediately reup a new plane there is little motivation for flying smart and flying smart is what made the best aces, not just "stick and rudder" skills. If you look at the best RL aces, you'll find the same thing. Wasn't it the Baron that said something like 80 percent of the guys he shot down never saw him? My point is that keeping score motivates some to fly smarter and thus more realistically. Is it irritating when a guy dives through a furball, picks off one or two, then zooms away, and lands his kills (and perk points)? Sure. I really like the hurri but then I have a hard time chasing down an M-8 so I'm at a huge disadvantage against these guys but I don't have a problem with someone who is motivated to do something other than knife-fight. Sure, I might taunt the guy to try to get him to do something stupid but ultimately, he plays his games and I play mine. If he's motivated by his score or perk points, great, its the only way we have of stimulating a need for "self preservation". If you want a strong argument for keeping (or even expanding) the score and perk point system look at the most irritating and unrealistic thing (besides the uber knife-fighting IL-2s) in this game. The suicide 190 porking a base. The guy probably doesn't give a damn about his score and thus does something incredibly unrealistic. (Show me the guy in WWII that would take a mission like this just to kill some tents) Wish we could find a way to up the cost to the players for doing stuff like this but I don't have any idea how we'd do it. But if we could maybe we'd see a lot more teamwork and coordinated attacks.
Mace
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Originally posted by Mace2004
The suicide 190 porking a base. The guy probably doesn't give a damn about his score and thus does something incredibly unrealistic. (Show me the guy in WWII that would take a mission like this just to kill some tents) Wish we could find a way to up the cost to the players for doing stuff like this but I don't have any idea how we'd do it.
Maybe HT should charge a dollar a death on people's credit cards. Heck, he would be a millionairre after 1 month from the FB's alone!
hi fb's! :)
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So you mean the extra 20 bucks i been sending to keep my score respectable, has been a waste of money? dang
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Originally posted by meddog
HT can do what ever he pleases but in my opinion i'm not sure posting the top score potatos on the home page is condusive to a positive playing environment. When this happends, people start worring more about their scores and start playing less as a team. You can be a team player or you can be a score potato but you cant be both. Just my opinion
Its a game, if those that think score means everything...like some on my Squad, then knock yourself out. Also check how many hours they play...each to their own...I dont have that much time to game...and if I did, still wouldnt spend that much time :)
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If it wasnt for uber rank, I wouldn't get laid. Chicks dig Aces High Virtual Rank.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Yeah, IMHO the "top sticks" are usually ranked between 1000 and 500 overall rank. But then... rank means s*** where skill is concerned.
I tend to strongly agree.
Top ranked pilot is pretty good. And an all around cool guy.
But he is by far not the best in the game.
Not hard to get a good ranking.
Stick with the hoard to avod being killed too much,Do a little bit of this, a little bit of that. and badabing, your in the top 100
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Originally posted by meddog
HT can do what ever he pleases but in my opinion i'm not sure posting the top score potatos on the home page is condusive to a positive playing environment. When this happends, people start worring more about their scores and start playing less as a team. You can be a team player or you can be a score potato but you cant be both. Just my opinion
First of all I kill CV's I bomb hangers , ammo or troops. i'll take tank to help capture base. will always ask whatever team i'm on if guy needs help with con. always helping what ever team i'm on. I have seen pacerr, Lynx, and flown with and against everyone in top 10. only guy I've never seen kill troops or bomb cv or kill town is Shawk and this is probally only cause not same time schedule,But I have seen him Defend a base out numbered many times. So for you idea that top players don't fly for team. Is well probally just envy no other reason for your comments based on no info just whine...................
Isn't A man in Top 20 i wouldn't call team player.
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Originally posted by meddog
HT can do what ever he pleases but in my opinion i'm not sure posting the top score potatos on the home page is condusive to a positive playing environment. When this happends, people start worring more about their scores and start playing less as a team. You can be a team player or you can be a score potato but you cant be both. Just my opinion
My first thoughts on this..."what a load of bollock".
The part about "u can't be both" is so very very wrong and I take exception to your opinion.:mad:
I am usually in AH top 10 (over all rank). I don't seek "home page" fame although I have been on it as number 1 bomber. I seek rank for 1 reason only and that's to command CV's. Hate to watch a pre- organised attack go tits up because some " clever" captain drives the CV past 2 SB's or HO's an enemy CV / PT / PT spawn or turns our CV to early / to late when bombers attack.:cry
I did say "pre-organised". From that you should deduce an element of err "TEAM PLAY". Infact my attack rank is usually higher than my fighter rank and thats because I'm usually nailing a town or field strat while the err (caugh) other "TEAM PLAYERS" vulch the field. (where I could be earning fighter rank) ;)
I'll blow my "TEAM" trumpet some more. How many of you team players have "Field Gun" in favourites? How many of you team players know how to auto range the 8 Inch correctly?... any of you team players got the foggiest of what I'm on about? Very few I would guess.:lol
So as far as getting rank. Yes I work at it but nowhere near the extent some of you team players would think. Any great advantages to rank? As far as I'm concerned just the ability to "SAVE" the freakin CV oh and write messages using the way point markers. :rofl
Any disadvantages to rank? Well to some degree maybe there is. Depending on the game you play. If you wish to stick to some elements of realisium there are NO disadvantages as this is how the whole scoring card was intended but if your a click fly die type the bad news is you gotta land :aok
As for guys that consistently cry "rank don't mean chit" I'll bat back with these opinions. They are in a couple a catagories. Guys that are plainly new or nearly new. The skill-less or can't be arsed to learn. Guys that turn in for 2 hrs on a Sunday night. Guys that have weak or low systems.......
(no fault of their own and NO ridicule intended). Guys that have a "Quake" mentallity the click "fly die" types. The pork and auger. The bomb and bailers. The "aces low" crew GV'ers and lastly, with some respect, the pure fighter pilot although there are very few about. By that I mean you can check everyones score and everyone does a little oh this a little oh that.
Meddog I consider myself a true team player and consistantly rank in the overall top ten and what you would consider a score potato.
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What a wonderful concept, post the high scores on the main page. There, you reward those who strive for recognition as the top scoring people with actual recognition and praise/envy from like minded people.
What's even more wonderful is no one is forced to either read who is the top scoring person, nor fly to better their score.
Go figure, the best of both worlds.
A person can fly most days or nights with the sole intention of improving their score, then on their squad nights or organized MA missions, die in valient and self sacraficing methods to better the overall mission.
What is amazing to me is how many people do not grasp the concept of billions of people and opinions, but there can only be 2 ways to think of something, one of them inevitibly is their way which happens to be the only right way.
This game has more ways to play it and enjoy it, limited only to each persons imagination, yet most of the topics in here are related to someone not liking how someone Else plays and thinking they have a say in the matter.
Stunning really. What a waste of energy.
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The only problem I have with the ranking system is when guys who suck fly to protect their fighter score. Running, high-alt sissery, etc... if I can get a high rank in a fighter furballing on the deck, why can't you? The answer to the sissies? Because you suck and should learn how to fight :aok
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To each, his own. Some people can step up any waning interest in the game by trying to learn all aspects of it - the result being that their rank improves.
If your interest is capturing fields and team play, a few high ranking players are far more likely to actually accomplish something than a 10 lower-ranking players. They don't lawndart, auger in, they actually knockout the targets that need to be hit, they anticipate and not just react, they can choose the right aircraft or vehicle for the task, etc.
I've found most of the higher ranked Rooks are good team players, so perhaps it's an issue only for Knights, meddog?
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Originally posted by wetrat
The only problem I have with the ranking system is when guys who suck fly to protect their fighter score. Running, high-alt sissery, etc... if I can get a high rank in a fighter furballing on the deck, why can't you? The answer to the sissies? Because you suck and should learn how to fight :aok
Are you sure your chacing Alt monky score hores or just assuming because the guy climbs away he's a score hore?
The reason I ask is becuase taking ages to land kills can actually work against the fighter score. To manipulate fighter rank I think Zazen (could be wrong) proved statistically that 5 or 6 kills with 1 death in 3 or 4 min is scored better than landing 5 or 6 kills in 30 min or more.
I am willing to be proved wrong on the above point. In your defence if it's just me with 3 or more bads guys there is absolutly no point diving in for the furball. I'll just get shot down...pointless waist of my time. I will however rope the living crap outta ya and make good my escape with kills and approx 10 % ammo for safe landing.
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If scores were weighted by odds HT might have something.
I.E. - Any attack where the odds are even are scored equally, any attack where the odds favor one side or the other and a score adjusts by the odds.
Also take the fighter and attack check box away and make any attack on an object on the ground reflect Attack and any attack on an object not on the ground is scored as fighter. This way people who select fighter are not penalized when they are shooting ack, gvs or Lvts.
As for the web page, who cares. Anyone who has a clue knows who the good sticks are and most know the wannabes too.
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If being a "score potato" means flying intelligently and disengaging from a fight when the situation turns extremely bad then I guess there's alot of "score potatos" out there.
It seems we are back to the you must fly my way bs. Do a couple of searches on furballers vs. tool shed killers. No one here is ever pleased just to play the game. Everyone has an issue with the game in one way or the other. The only difference is you have the same folks who come on here pissing and moaning and telling everyone how it should be.
Who really cares about scoring?
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I just want people to fight me
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who cares if they Post the best Scores on the Main Page, Its very easy to ignore them, Just block them out of your head and goto a happy place, Like just imagine Ripping through a Rooks 262 with your C47 and Winning! That would Pwn all others LOL :O :aok
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lol outbreak. If I was flying the 262 then the C-47 would Clearly have the advantage.
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Originally posted by ROC
lol outbreak. If I was flying the 262 then the C-47 would Clearly have the advantage.
LMAO :lol , C47 just ram into ur 262 taking both engines and Duck Taping them in place of the C47s old Props, Turbo Powered C47. :O
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Take from the game and enjoy the game as you wish. Many people PLAY THE GAME as HT designed it to be played and strive for rank; so what? Is the best basketball player out there the one who scores the most points, the one who helps his team the most, the one who does the coolest tricks, or some other definition?
Aces High could be scored a thousand different ways; so what? The player who ranks number one IS the best PLAYER OF THE GAME, as it was designed by The Lord of the Game: High Tech.
Get over it already.
eskimo
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Pooface:
"yeah, only new guys really think rank is an indicator of pilot skill, the whole score thing does annoy me, maybe it would be better to just have player stats on the score page, instead of an actual rrank, saying that you are 1583rd most skilled in the game"
That is fine and dandy, but what is "who's" definition of skilled?
Someone that spends countless hours in whatever fighter cherry picking and vulching then running home is in terms "skilled" ?
I don't know
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Woha, the "You MUST Play My Style" party is getting stronger and stronger ... no wonder: 90% is flying Ufofires MkVIII, MkXVI, Lalas, Ki-84s, Nikis at 3K biting each own tail ... :rolleyes:
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I'd like the most vocal about how easy it is to get a low rank (although they never have one) go out one month and show us top 25 performance.
Once done, I will have to oblige their denigration of rank.
This challenge isn't for someone who has posted a low rank - I know you know what it takes.
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Originally posted by MOIL
Someone that spends countless hours in whatever fighter cherry picking and vulching then running home is in terms "skilled" ?
Well of course they are, silly!! They are skilled at cherry picking, vulching and running home. :)
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With any luck once CT comes out that will be scores we see on the home page....
but what is "who's" definition of skilled?
I think then, we will come to see, some that of a new definition of skill. As I understand it CT is is going to be mission based, following the mission profile and staying alive are going to become a new skill....
We all, mudmovers & furballers alike, are going to have to rethink how we play the game.
I can see it now....
CAVALRY is flying along. The mission is to cover B-17's...
I look below me... a lone FW-190, low on "E" trying to get up to the buffs.
I think... I can get this guy, he has no clue I am here.....
But over the VOX comes the buff crew.....
Don't do it you SOB!... Stay with us to the target.. @#$%^&
CAVALRY