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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: wetrat on January 23, 2006, 01:52:16 AM
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OK, is it just me, or do the F4U-4's 50cals do more damage than other planes' 50's? Doesn't make sense that they would, since they're the same model gun as all the other 50cal birds... but they sure seem to take stuff down with less hits.
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It might be that your generally moving faster relative to your target in the -4. I notice that when I'm screaming down on some slow target in the Pony and hit them while I'm going 400+ it's like a buzzsaw, whereas if I'm hanging on their 6 going the same speed the .50s seem less effective.
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depends largely on the angle you come in at, i would be surprised if flying your plane faster would make your bullets noticalbly more effective in terms of physics.
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I don't fly around balls to the wall in it though... I TnB/furball it on hte deck like I do everything else.
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Nah, you were in a 1C :lol
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I vaguely remember someone posting that the -4 guns had either a higher rate of fire or higher muzzle velocity than the other corsairs.
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Originally posted by Gryffin
I vaguely remember someone posting that the -4 guns had either a higher rate of fire or higher muzzle velocity than the other corsairs.
That would account for it.. but they're most definitely more powerful than hte 1D's or 51's.
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Odd - I had this same thought when I flew a few F4U-4 sorties last tour...seemed like the kiils came easier!
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Originally posted by Casper1
Odd - I had this same thought when I flew a few F4U-4 sorties last tour...seemed like the kiils came easier!
You were in a 1C also? :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
You were in a 1C also? :D
die :t
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Originally posted by wetrat
die :t
:cry
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this subject still up for debate i guess..i know dam well the f6f's and fm2 seem to have better hitting power than the pony..thats just my opinion of course but countless sorties and it still feels that way to me
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Some guy named Mfreak was saying that about the f6f last night so I took it up.every snapshot I hit with did visible damage, and some were pretty weak looking hits.
3 hits hurri, 2 engine 1 forward cockpit= engine oil
2 hits out pony wingtip took his aileron
only fired 200 bullets for 2 kills and 3 damaged planes.
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I see a HUGE amount of variance, myself. There's times where I'll fire off a half-second burst from an F4U and blow a guy's wing off in one shot, but other times I have to park behind him for a good 5 seconds of fire to get the same.
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I fly FM2 allmost exclusively...
About half of my shootings are assists. if the guns were that deadly then I would not have so many assists. I have watched a plane lite up from my guns for a sec or two with LOT's of flash's only to get an assist when a spit took a snap shot at it.
I am allways amazed when a short burst causes a lot of damage. I really have to stay on a con to get him to blow up... If I want to have sure kills (blow ups) in the Fm2 I need to use enough ammo that I can only get maybe 3 planes before running out of ammo..
sometimes... if the planes are getting hit just right, at the right convergence.. things go well and a 1 sec or better burst seems to take the wing off a spit. Might get 4 or 5 like this in a sortie in a good furball with luck.
lazs
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i think its gotta be convergence...if you are dead one, you will score a kill...if not, maybe just a little damage, despite what hit-sprites you see
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I wonder if the guns are mounted closer in to the fuselage on the U4, I have noticed kinda the same thing, to me all the corsairs .50's do more damage than the pony's. I'm just throwin this out I haven't researched it at all but maybe that has something to do with it
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i've also noticed that the P40E's .50 cals seem to pack more punch than all the others
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Originally posted by Iceman24
i've also noticed that the P40E's .50 cals seem to pack more punch than all the others
P40s guns have been very ineffective for me. Only time I get good results is with conv at D200 and hitting the canopy. My aim does suck though, so . . .
Is it possible the F4 has longer barrels? Although, if the gun has enough power to punch a holl in the plane, does velocity really matter?
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I got a sortie in the -4 earlier where I got to fly around for 20 minutes just shooting at things (flying things), without having to defend myself at all... I'm now absolutely convinced that the -4's guns are a-typical. It's like a shark with a lazer on its forehead. It didn't matter where I hit people, how far away I was, how clean the shot was, or how long I got hits.... everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, died. Just wouldn't happen in any other 50cal bird.
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i noticed this the other day. took up an f4f, and i was killing people in snapshots like the 50's were hispanos! i thought i was crazy, but i got 6 kills and 2 assists before getting cherry picked by an lgay tard
im quite sure that there is a difference in power
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wonder if hitech can shed some light?
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Originally posted by Pooface
i noticed this the other day. took up an f4f, and i was killing people in snapshots like the 50's were hispanos! i thought i was crazy, but i got 6 kills and 2 assists before getting cherry picked by an lgay tard
im quite sure that there is a difference in power
I'm talking the f4u-4, not f4f-4, and 16, not 6. :p
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Originally posted by Iceman24
i've also noticed that the P40E's .50 cals seem to pack more punch than all the others
That is my FAV plane, It may be Kinda Slow but that baby can pretty much Turn with any other plane i chase, And the .50s are like :O Them .50s just eat other planes Up, All i can say is the P40E is one of the best planes ive flown in Aces High besides the 109.
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According to the Aircraft and Vehicle page, the F4U4 has the same guns (M2) as the P51, P40 and F4U1.
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so many people have said that certain planes with 50cals are more powerfull that it now becomes an issue about a few planes possibly having weaker guns than the rest....
hmm, infact, between you all you have pretty much covered every 50cal fighter in the game.....kinda makes the solution obvious....don't it? :p
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All of the .50s are Powerful ya just gotta know how to use em, Took on some 24s in an F4u-1D, Easy kill on first pass, .50s in the wing root and took less than 50rnds and it was down. Bout same for the other 2.:aok **My point, .50s are all the same just More Deadly when you think they are more Powerful LOL**
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a quick check you can do...
I've been testing the guns and getting the relative power of various guns. Do this off-line, set hardness to 1, unprotect objects, and set ammo multiplier to 10.
A P-51 and F4U-1D take 2374 rounds to kill a fighter hangar. If the -4 takes less, its guns are more powerful. The .50 on a M-3 destroys the hangar with less rounds, so variables are accounted for. I'm not at home until Saturday, or I'd check it myself.
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i thought so hammer, i was playing offline earlier today and flew the U4 around and I promise you, it's .50's have way more punch than the rest of the planes with a 6-gun .50 cal package. Just like Wetrat said, no matter where i hit the planes it took that section off like a chainsaw, I upped a pony and got the usual stuff, a few times cut the part off, others I just got an engine hit, same in a p40E and an F4F. Its almost as if they act like an 8 or 10 gun package, to me it feels like I'm blasting away with a jug. I had my convergance set at 300 on all the planes... Does anyone know if maybe the F4U4's guns were closer to the fuselage than the pony or even the F4U1D ? Just a shot in the dark
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Originally posted by hammer
so variables are accounted for
What about range? The 50 cal are more lethal the closer to the target they are.
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Home now and did a quick check. .50s on the -4 destroy a fighter hangar with 2374 rounds. Exactly the same as the P-51D and F4U-1D. .50 on the M-3 does it with 2224 rounds.
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F4U gun placement had to be farther outboard on the wings in order to clear it's 13 foot, 4 inch diameter propeller (which was the worlds largest at the time the Corsair was manufactured).