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Title: Gun question, story about the markings?
Post by: patrone on January 24, 2006, 08:29:53 PM: Hello Guys. Anyone know anything about this gun and the story?
Yes it is a 151/20, that I found here in sweden.
Look at the markings, David star over a nazi-proofmark

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/845/012400161sf.th.jpg) (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=012400161sf.jpg)
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5341/012400201qt.th.jpg) (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=012400201qt.jpg)
Title: Gun question, story about the markings?
Post by: patrone on January 24, 2006, 08:53:54 PM: More Pictures of same gun:

(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6333/012400137wz.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=012400137wz.jpg)

(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4683/012400219sf.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=012400219sf.jpg)

(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/952/012400220dl.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=012400220dl.jpg)

Help me solve this
Title: Gun question, story about the markings?
Post by: Charge on January 25, 2006, 06:18:43 AM: "David star over a nazi-proofmark"

I don't see a "nazi proofmark".

This is a proofmark of a Nazi era:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/uniforms_firearms/firearms/98k/photos/15.htm

And that six tipped star is probably not a "David star" but some old marking of some manufacturer eg. Waffen Werke Brunn ie. CZ factory in Brno in Checkoslovakia.

-C+
Title: thanks Finland
Post by: patrone on January 25, 2006, 10:14:59 AM: Thanks a lot, forgot the question mark in the first post.

fwh=Norddeutsche Maschinenfabrik GmbH, Berlin

Thankful if anyone can give me more information about the specific markings. Is it pre-war, war or post-war issue?
Title: Gun question, story about the markings?
Post by: Charge on January 26, 2006, 05:22:08 AM: That "fwh" is probably a better indication, as handheld arms eg. rifles had "dot" or "dou" markings to indicate if they were manufactured in Brünn (Brühn) ie. Brno factory. Those two eagle markings a probably acceptance markings which were needed before the piece could be moved on to fitting in an aircraft or to troops.

There was a site about german type bayonets manufactured in various plants and those had many many kinds of acceptance marks.

I think you need very much time with Google or a good book on Mauser manufacturers with pictures to find that specific marking.

Good luck!

-C+
Title: Gun question, story about the markings?
Post by: patrone on January 26, 2006, 02:32:01 PM: Found this much out, the one eagle to the right is "Luftwaffe" acceptance mark. the biger version is on the actual gun.
Someone also told me that it is not sure that there will be any "nazi" markings as the 151 was being manufactured already before the war and that luftwaffe and heer had total diffrent ways of marking items, they where not even allowed to buy from the same factorys.

Thanks a lot, after a couple of 100 hours on google, I already know what kinda jungle there is with markings. Was just taking a longshot that some of the "waffle" guys would have a hint.
Title: Gun question, story about the markings?
Post by: zorstorer on January 26, 2006, 05:12:39 PM: Remeber before you give up that Tony has not weighed in on this.....which will more than likely be very helpful :)
Title: Gun question, story about the markings?
Post by: Tony Williams on January 27, 2006, 06:55:52 AM: Sorry chaps, I know next to nothing about gun markings.

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