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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Gianlupo on January 25, 2006, 06:05:59 AM
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I'm thinking about it since I saw the rps... what will happen when we'll get to the 1943 status?
I mean, right now the 2 sides are well balanced, planeset-wise, and this surely gives a great contribution to the fun we're having in AvA... but what will happen when the uber allied rides and the porked LW birds will be available? Will we still have fun? Or will the AvA become a sort of minor MA? Surely, we won't have dweebs or noobs here (most of the pilots who fly in AvA are the good, old sticks sick of MA), but, still, this point is concerning me....
Why don't we just stop at 1943, waiting for Combat Tour? :)
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Gian,
welcome in the rolling plane set hell.
Now, do yourself a favour, put your GORE-TEX (R) flame resistant suit on ;)
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
but what will happen when the uber allied rides and the porked LW birds will be available? Will we still have fun? Or will the AvA become a sort of minor MA? Surely, we won't have dweebs or noobs here (most of the pilots who fly in AvA are the good, old sticks sick of MA), but, still, this point is concerning me....
I'm a bit worried about that too, what if the Axis only have the not so great Fw-190A's and Bf-109-G6's? They will have a hard time against Spit IX's and early P-47's, P-38's and P-51's, not to mention the fast and quadruple Hizooka armed Typhoon.
As for the dweeb and noob factor... I have to say I play AH a lot more due to the AvA setup but I'm still as hopeless as I ever was... and I've flown only Allies so far :D
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Lol, Gatt, thank you! I'll put the vest on, but, honestly, mine wasn't meant to be a troll about the worn LW/Allied planes argument, just a sincere concern about the fate of what, right now, it's, from my (our) POV, the best arena we have. I just wanted to know if I'm the only one who have this concern (and I see I'm not :) ) and to see if and what we can do to preserve this fun oasis. :)
Hogenbor, I'm hopeless too! I just wanted to say that in AvA, luckily we don't have players who just ruin the fun we're having, only well behaving players. ;)
I'm curious to know what the others think... and don't worry, Gatt, my family come from the Etna vulcan, I know how to handle the heat! :D
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And not to mention day 13 (is the number an omen?) which introduces Spit XVI (among the other poor planes like P-51D) and gives the axis 109G14. I suspect that we will be seeing a lot of "AvA sucks!" threads instead of the current "AvA is great!!" :rolleyes:
If there was a vote then i would also say that stop the RPS to the 1943 setup.
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Yeah it's been fun watching the LW land 80% of the kills. Now that it's closing in on the day when the Allied guys can shoot back, lets stop it right here.:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Actually, the main LW squad in the AvA does pretty well on balance against the '44-'45 planes. Fly as a team with the other LW pilots and you can compete, its not easy, but you can do it.
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Originally posted by Grits
Actually, the main LW squad in the AvA does pretty well on balance against the '44-'45 planes. Fly as a team with the other LW pilots and you can compete, its not easy, but you can do it.
Grits is right
Follow Storch , and company . JG54 always manages to be lethal.
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We'll just have to wait and see. I also do not want to beat the old 'LW is undermodeled' horse again.
We have a lot of fun now, if the fun diminishes due to the fact that the LW can't compete anymore, we'll have to find a solution. I have no problem with limiting the RPS to 1943, or even giving the LW some planes before their 'due date'.
Hey, that gives me an idea, I'll open a seperate thread for that.
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And the ongoing problem with trying to make things fun and somewhat balanced still continues. A rolling planeset is a wonderful idea but really hard to implement without limiting someones favorite ride; whether by base limits or perk points. Good Luck to you all in figuring that one out. In the 2 years I was on the CT Staff not once were we truly able to do it without using a combination of the two types of limitations.
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Given that the RAF won't have a plane that can catch the 190s and 109s on the deck until Day 18, I think the 5 or so days of P-51D/Spit 16 full availability at the end aren't that bad.
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I am sure, that some people will cry and whine, that the plane set is unbalanced. Sometimes virtual life s**ks:D
But for me ( I mostly fly on axis side), it will be challenge.
If I have a worse plane than enemy, so I just have to fly better and more wisely, than enemy does.
If you feel that you lose, because you have worse plane than enemy, just switch to other side and stop whining ;)
I think, that the rolling plane set is great. I hope, that we will get more early planes to AH (AvA) in future.
See you all in the AvA soon:aok
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Originally posted by Shifty
Yeah it's been fun watching the LW land 80% of the kills. Now that it's closing in on the day when the Allied guys can shoot back, lets stop it right here.:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
I second that sarcasm.
(Although it isn't quite accurate: 80% is a 4:1 advantage for LW, it's actually closer to 2:1)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Yeah it's been fun watching the LW land 80% of the kills. Now that it's closing in on the day when the Allied guys can shoot back, lets stop it right here.:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
I am with Shifty on this one. That is the point of a RPS - the advantage shifts back and forth between sides as new planes come out. The Axis enjoys a big advantage now before long it will shift to the Allies. Just as it did in WW2. Don't freeze the plane set at 43 - BAD IDEA - plus it's not fair for those that fly Allied and took their drubbing. The Axis can still be competive with the late war rides but they will just have to work harder for it.
BUT.....
As I look into my old crystal ball mounted here in the cockpit - I "forsee" a massive shift from Axis to Allies as the new planes come out.
Axis Guys, enjoy the advantage you have and those kills you are getting now. They are about to come back and HAUNT YOU! BOOOOOOO! :D
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as soon as the 190A5 is available i will be flying axis and blasting spit wings untill the pacific scenario.
luft planes ARE NOT PORKED. they just take a little more skill to fly well.
yuo can always gang a spit 2 on 1 and win 70% of the time.
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Batty, I prefer to say "they are still effective, despite porkage" :)
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Originally posted by SASMOX
I am sure, that some people will cry and whine, that the plane set is unbalanced. Sometimes virtual life s**ks:D
But for me ( I mostly fly on axis side), it will be challenge.
If I have a worse plane than enemy, so I just have to fly better and more wisely, than enemy does.
If you feel that you lose, because you have worse plane than enemy, just switch to other side and stop whining ;)
I think, that the rolling plane set is great. I hope, that we will get more early planes to AH (AvA) in future.
See you all in the AvA soon:aok
Amen to that. Take it as a challenge, not that you should always be able to fly a plane that is better then your opponant.
Just cause your kills might take a bit more work, doesn't mean that you can't get them.
And yeah, the LW stuff is porked and the Allied stuff is uber, gets a bit old after a while.
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Originally posted by 715
I second that sarcasm.
(Although it isn't quite accurate: 80% is a 4:1 advantage for LW, it's actually closer to 2:1)
I'm really not refering to kills, as much as landed kills in the text buffer. Looked like Luftwaffe roll call every night. I think performance wise yes the BOB was as close to even as you can get. The firepower issue is something else.
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Lol, Gatt was right! :p
Sorry, I couldn't explain myself.
Shifty, I don't mind flying axis, like I don't mind flying allies in these days. I've done both, and I usually switch in the same session, too... and I don't really care about the LW/allies ride matter... I suck in everything, so... :D
What I mean is that in these days we are making much "promotion" to AvA in the BB (and maybe even in MA), so other players will join and will try it... what if, eventually, at the turn of the tide, they'll began to constantly play on the allies side? Or if people get bored and go away?
The only think I don't want, is this arena to become dead again or porked like the Main.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Lol, Gatt was right! :p
Sorry, I couldn't explain myself.
Shifty, I don't mind flying axis, like I don't mind flying allies in these days. I've done both, and I usually switch in the same session, too... and I don't really care about the LW/allies ride matter... I suck in everything, so... :D
What I mean is that in these days we are making much "promotion" to AvA in the BB (and maybe even in MA), so other players will join and will try it... what if, eventually, at the turn of the tide, they'll began to constantly play on the allies side? Or if people get bored and go away?
The only think I don't want, is this arena to become dead again or porked like the Main.
I agree with you on not wanting the arena to die completely. A couple of more dedicated Axis squads other then JG54, and the Finns , would be a big help. I hear what your saying about some people will swap sides to the one with the advantage. Thats always going to happen. I still say we should let this thing play out before making any changes.
The two Axis squads that stay in the AVA right now seem to do well no matter what the setup is. I usually stay Axis if I'm in an Axis squad , or Allied if I'm in an Allied squad. If it's a non squad night I'll swap for the sake of ballance, plus I always love to grab a 190 any chance I get.
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as someone who has flown the CT since the days it was just Jamusta, myself and joedog VS JG54(i know there was a CT community long before this, but i was certainly part of the core that stayed when everyone else left), when arena numbers were maxed out at 8, i know that the sinlge most important thing is the quality of players.
its not what planes we fly, its how to keep the tards in the MA.
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Originally posted by Shifty
I hear what your saying about some people will swap sides to the one with the advantage.
Dont forget about the squad who's only purpose to switch to the one that is outnumbered, not to the one that has the advantage. Sometimes when things are balanced like now, you will see us on both sides at the same time.
The dedicated Axis/Allied squads are the focus of the AvA, but the one dedicated "side balancers" squad, The Gunfighters, can play an important role in keeping things balanced when the planeset itself is not.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
as someone who has flown the CT since the days it was just Jamusta, myself and joedog VS JG54(i know there was a CT community long before this, but i was certainly part of the core that stayed when everyone else left), when arena numbers were maxed out at 8, i know that the sinlge most important thing is the quality of players.
its not what planes we fly, its how to keep the tards in the MA.
Theres some of us that go back before then. There was a time CT was empty before this last drought. We populated it then, formed squads, and had a pretty good thing going. We may be under new names now , and differnet squads. We were here before JG54, in fact I was one of the founders of JG54. None of it matters or means a thing , anymore then your thinking your some kind of plank owning hero.
One thing that causes people to stay away is attitude. Labeling MA guys tards doesn't help.
I have never been a MA flyer , always a CT flyer. If I flew MA I'd probably get waxed every sortie no matter what i was in. One problem CT/AVA has always had is numbers. So easy with the elietist BS. I'd like it if the whole bunch from MA came over and gave it a try.
Just because a guy flys mainly in MA it doesn't make him a tard. These guys that have been in AVA the past two weeks from MA are some of the best sticks, and best personalities I've ever had the pleasure to fly with or against. If you want quality set the standard, don't start mocking others.
My experiance has usually been the guy calling people tards is the tard.
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Well said, Shifty.
Now, let's see this setup through, then we can have a post-RPS discussion on what to improve for the next round. (My 2 cents on this subject).
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Originally posted by Grits
Dont forget about the squad who's only purpose to switch to the one that is outnumbered, not to the one that has the advantage. Sometimes when things are balanced like now, you will see us on both sides at the same time.
The dedicated Axis/Allied squads are the focus of the AvA, but the one dedicated "side balancers" squad, The Gunfighters, can play an important role in keeping things balanced when the planeset itself is not.
Your right Grits the Gunfighters are fantastic in the way they support the arena, by side balancing. They never get any credit for it though.:aok
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Originally posted by Shifty
Grits is right
Follow Storch , and company . JG54 always manages to be lethal.
(marks down the date and takes note of a possible compliment to JG54)
:D
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Ive seen some very good LW pilots in the MA that are actually willing to turn and fight instead of the usual boring 1 pass and run. However, seeing good LW pilots is also very rare. However I have more of a feeling that more people will fly LW as they are the faster planes and better for BnZ. If I have to though I will seperate from my beloved 38 and fly LW as I will be a complete noob in them and have to do the boring BnZ tatic. But if its the case where everyone is just doing BnZ I might as well go back the MA, as least I can get it there and hopefully find a furball.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Your right Grits the Gunfighters are fantastic in the way they support the arena, by side balancing. They never get any credit for it though.:aok
It is my hope now that the Gunfighters are larger, that no dedicated no member of an Allied or Axis squad will be forced to switch off their chosen side because of numbers. I would like to see those squads be allowed to stay together as units, since they are (and should be) the focus of the AvA's future.
Plus, there are no kills I enjoy more than killing my own guys while chit-talking them (Oldman excluded) on squad VOX. :)
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Well said, Shifty.
Now, let's see this setup through, then we can have a post-RPS discussion on what to improve for the next round. (My 2 cents on this subject).
Exactly. Let it play out and keep the criticism somewhat focused on making the RPS better for the next go around. We all get people have very different opinions on plane modelling, damage, weapon effectiveness, and so on. Keep in mind what we all can actually do and focus on that to make the AvA a kick bellybutton place to play.