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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dadano on January 29, 2006, 04:29:49 PM
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I have the "rubber bullets" film if ya want to see it pls email me at maxsail@gmail.com
Dano
(anyone else interested in this phe·nom·e·non; feel free to email:)
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I'd like to see the film too. I don't believe in "rubber bullets".
You know my email :)
I'd like to finally see this phenomenon
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They exist. While in a 109 with a 30mm hub, firing only the hub I landed 5-7 hit sprites in rapid succession on the fuselage of a lancaster from the 7-8 o'clock angle, didn't do squat to the guy. Yesterday I unloaded almost all the ammo in a Fw190 (with outboard MG/FF) into a flight of Ju88s and he was barely taking any damage after 5 attacks with many many hits.
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same prob with 109..maybe lag induced as u fire at d200 normally..with a buff set though is strange..
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I agree they do exist... The only problem is that Chi will not respond to you because he is persona non grata =)
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Krusty, I see your comments as another cry of wolf.
I still haven't seen any films of rubber bullets. I hit many people with 20mm bullets at close range and have seen nothing come off, but then I'll him them again with 1 bullet and then the tail will fall off. Maybe I didn't do enough damage in one specific area and that last 1 bullet was I the straw that broke the camels back.
People really need to film these things. And not just films of hit sprites with nothing coming off but something that proves, no damage was accumulating to the other guy.
I say, stop crying, it's just a game to some of you.
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Originally posted by Krusty
They exist. While in a 109 with a 30mm hub, firing only the hub I landed 5-7 hit sprites in rapid succession on the fuselage of a lancaster from the 7-8 o'clock angle, didn't do squat to the guy. Yesterday I unloaded almost all the ammo in a Fw190 (with outboard MG/FF) into a flight of Ju88s and he was barely taking any damage after 5 attacks with many many hits.
Sounds like your aim is the problem. You were probably scattering hits all over, not concentrating them on any part.
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I have something like the so called rubber bullet everytime I have a bad connx with packets loss.
It happens that my K-4 and his 30mm seems to have no effect on bombers, no matter how many hits, and someone else nearby gets the kill, even if he hasnt shot a single bullet (confirmed by fellow Knights).
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I know the reason for rubber bullets, it is very simple actually.
You see when you fire a 30mm round at a plane, just by the speed of the round and enemy pilots pure will to not die, this creates a small pocket in the "space time continueum" allowing you to see the bullet hit but in FACT it is actually somewhere else in the distant universe in a different time period (yes... the bullet did travel back in time) and what you are seeing is
the light which is ricocheting off what in ur point in time would be a giant chinchila being fired into an aircraft.
see its simple (Y= M^13ZX-*(chinchila/.317)) <---formula for rubber bullets
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Krusty, I see your comments as another cry of wolf.
I still haven't seen any films of rubber bullets. I hit many people with 20mm bullets at close range and have seen nothing come off, but then I'll him them again with 1 bullet and then the tail will fall off. Maybe I didn't do enough damage in one specific area and that last 1 bullet was I the straw that broke the camels back.
People really need to film these things. And not just films of hit sprites with nothing coming off but something that proves, no damage was accumulating to the other guy.
I say, stop crying, it's just a game to some of you.
Your request is an impossible one. Not because rubber bullets dont exist. But because the film proves nothing. And it also depends on what is meant by "rubber Bullets" As far as im concerned. When a players has played long enought to know what it takes to bring down another plane on average....and he/she speds 3, 4 or even 5 times that much ammo with hits being seen (sprits) and the plane doesnt come down, Call it what you will....but its still wrong and is likely causes by the servers integrity at that moment. imo of course :)
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so rubber bullets are impossible to prove huh?
hmmm
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Kermit you should search the forums for threads on "rubber bullets". You'll see in a few of the threads HiTech or Skuzzy posting tips to minimize the effects of Rubber Bullets such as enabling Vsync and disabling FSAA/AA.
Just because you don't suffer from the problem doesn't mean no one suffers from the problem.
ack-ack
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What I'm trying to say is that people are most likely confusing the idea of rubber bullets with hitting the guy over a wide area on the plane.
I hit many people at 200 or less with 20mm and have seen no parts come off. That doesn't mean no damage occurred though. It's just that not enough damage occurred in the same spot to cause a part to be damaged.
Or, they are just barely missing their target.
I really want to see a film of these "rubber bullets" so that I may believe.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
What I'm trying to say is that people are most likely confusing the idea of rubber bullets with hitting the guy over a wide area on the plane.
I hit many people at 200 or less with 20mm and have seen no parts come off. That doesn't mean no damage occurred though. It's just that not enough damage occurred in the same spot to cause a part to be damaged.
Or, they are just barely missing their target.
I really want to see a film of these "rubber bullets" so that I may believe.
I may still have a film from about 6 months ago where I emptied a full clip from a Spit on the guy overshooting me in the DA. Convergence was set to 200 and the bad guy was at 200. Before I had time to type WTF on range, bad guy writes "why arent you dead?"
I asked him to come around and he emtied his clip on me. Nothing. We upped again and tried it repeatedly.
It turned out that the DA was porked and Scuzzy or HT had it fixed. I am saing, that it can happen. I bet you the people experiencing this, are experiencing it in the same couple of maps and prolly in a furball near a CV.
I tell you what I have for sure. A film of me chasing a spit missing both wings with several of us shooting at him with no effect.
Strange things do happen in this game sometimes.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
What I'm trying to say is that people are most likely confusing the idea of rubber bullets with hitting the guy over a wide area on the plane.
I hit many people at 200 or less with 20mm and have seen no parts come off. That doesn't mean no damage occurred though. It's just that not enough damage occurred in the same spot to cause a part to be damaged.
Or, they are just barely missing their target.
I really want to see a film of these "rubber bullets" so that I may believe.
I aim for the wing. BTW, "rubber bullets" exist.
Karaya
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Oh you aim for the wing.
I understand now.:D
Hey Dedalos, I've experienced the DA to have that glitch you have described. The glitch is"no damage effect". No matter how you try to inflict damage on someone, it has no effect. It affects everyone in that server. Sort of like the TA.
Besides, I'm still waiting for someone with film. I really would like to see it. Then I'd give it to HTC with as much information to go along with the film as possible so that they could troubleshoot it.
I'll wait patiently.
;)
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I was on an F4U the other day at d200 & could not land a hit on it. He dove straight down toward the water & as I fired there were no hits & even NO splashes on the water. It was as though I was shooting blanks. No hit sprites, no pieces falling off, no splashes in the water, & no dead F4U.
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Originally posted by MajWoody
I was on an F4U the other day at d200 & could not land a hit on it. He dove straight down toward the water & as I fired there were no hits & even NO splashes on the water. It was as though I was shooting blanks. No hit sprites, no pieces falling off, no splashes in the water, & no dead F4U.
Wait til you lite up a plane with 50rnds 20mm and a bunch of 303's from distance 100 or less. Wait til you see elevators (both) and Rudder come off. THEN wait til you see that same plane climb like it's not even hit afterwards. And after that...fly away.:rolleyes:
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I have, it was blukitty :lol
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They Suck....
(http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2003/11/281436.jpg)
(http://rivertext.com/image_protest/rubber-bullet.jpg)
(http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2001/04/11/bulletwound.jpg)
Told Ya....:eek:
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THis post was intended to single out Chi as das whiner.
Please dont hijack MY THREAD!
Dano
(email me for chi pwnage, whine and cheeezzzz included)
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Dano Dano.... I own your soul...
your a Pwn on the barbie...
to spend so much time and mindshare
on me, borders on pathological obssion.
Get a job, get a life... stop hanging on mine..
Chi
BTW... I own your soul in them ponies.
you can't fly them very well..
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Originally posted by bagrat
I know the reason for rubber bullets, it is very simple actually.
You see when you fire a 30mm round at a plane, just by the speed of the round and enemy pilots pure will to not die, this creates a small pocket in the "space time continueum" allowing you to see the bullet hit but in FACT it is actually somewhere else in the distant universe in a different time period (yes... the bullet did travel back in time) and what you are seeing is
the light which is ricocheting off what in ur point in time would be a giant chinchila being fired into an aircraft.
see its simple (Y= M^13ZX-*(chinchila/.317)) <---formula for rubber bullets
I think you forgot to add the Argon gas multiplier. The quantum effect of the seeing the bullet in two different places at the same time has to be supported by the argon meduim
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Besides, I'm still waiting for someone with film. I really would like to see it. Then I'd give it to HTC with as much information to go along with the film as possible so that they could troubleshoot it.
I'll wait patiently.
;)
:rofl Why? Do you really think they don't know?
Speaking of films, I have one of me eating porkchops. Wana see? :O
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer
Dano Dano.... I own your soul...
your a Pwn on the barbie...
to spend so much time and mindshare
on me, borders on pathological obssion.
Get a job, get a life... stop hanging on mine..
Chi
BTW... I own your soul in them ponies.
you can't fly them very well..
Ms. Chi
I could give a rat fack about ur personal life; you'll notice I mentioned nothing about it about it above. Mkay.
In regard to you owning my soul....ur a psycho.
And, about the pony flying....you fly well slow...better than me considering i never take a pony to a knife fight.
Overall...I'm a better stick, and sticking to it.
NeenerNeener,
DanoDano
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
What I'm trying to say is that people are most likely confusing the idea of rubber bullets with hitting the guy over a wide area on the plane.
Hit sprit against fighter, 37mm from Osti, fighter flys off undamaged. Should be one hit one kill. I think that fits in the rubber bullet catagory. Variance was all over the place. The packet that said I killed him never got received.:cry
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Hit sprit against fighter, 37mm from Osti, fighter flys off undamaged. Should be one hit one kill. I think that fits in the rubber bullet catagory. Variance was all over the place. The packet that said I killed him never got received.:cry
heh, that would not matter. If i remember correctly, its the shooter that records the kill. Hmmm
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http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Furball/nodamage.ahf
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Originally posted by RedTop
Wait til you lite up a plane with 50rnds 20mm and a bunch of 303's from distance 100 or less. Wait til you see elevators (both) and Rudder come off. THEN wait til you see that same plane climb like it's not even hit afterwards. And after that...fly away.:rolleyes:
actually, I have seen this 1st hand a couple times. I've blown the entire tail section off an nme, flew past, looked back, and they where whole and flying happily along.
Seen it a few times. Think was right after 2.03 ish.
Strange things do indeed happen sometimes.
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Originally posted by dedalos
:rofl Why? Do you really think they don't know?
Speaking of films, I have one of me eating porkchops. Wana see? :O
Eeeeekkkk!
I didn't mean that as my point in that post.
My point in that post was " I really would like to see it."
Thanks furball.
Any info on the film furball? Like what time to what time I should be looking at? I haven't yet seen the film.
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Okay, so I just saw the film furby. It shows a ho'n IL2 shooting down an honorable pilot who was willing to do a da merge with ya and you took advantage of him.
:P
Seriously though, I counted many hit sprites. I'm thinking the IL2 only has 20mm?
Was this in MA? I'm assuming it was.
Thanks for film furby. You proved that you had experienced something similiar to rubber bullets and had been able to film it.
But maybe that guy did take on damage and it was delayed another few seconds to show up on your computer. Or maybe you did cause damage, just not enough to take any parts off due to the high speed of his aircraft and angle. I'm thinking though you had rubber bullets. Do you remember if anyone else had the same problem at the same time as you furby?
Anyone else that has posted here have any rubber bullets on film?
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ok heres a couple rubber bullet storys for ya...
1) one time was sittin on a enmy base in T-34 shootin planes wit turret.(thats how I role!) anyway lag was understood so I was used to seein my shell hit a plane an watchin it blow up a sec ot two later.
heres the rubber bullet......I shot a spitfire in the left wing while it was startin up its engine ( with the 77mm or whatever its) and waited to see the wing fall off or explode as it casualy throttled foward an took off.....NO DAMAGE!
2) ok Rmaniac will back me on this one (he was in the plane i shot), maniac was in F6f, i was in osty. He was divin in on me and when he was within 800 of me i nailed him on the center of his nose only to take out his engine oil, not the engine just the oil. Maniac went back to go land.
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Originally posted by bagrat
2) ok Rmaniac will back me on this one (he was in the plane i shot), maniac was in F6f, i was in osty. He was divin in on me and when he was within 800 of me i nailed him on the center of his nose only to take out his engine oil, not the engine just the oil. Maniac went back to go land.
I've had a P47N survive an Osti hit with engine oil being the damage. Don't remember if it was a head on or crossing shot. IL2 will survive a couple of hits from an Osti sometimes but thats kind of expected.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Thanks for film furby. You proved that you had experienced something similiar to rubber bullets and had been able to film it.
But maybe that guy did take on damage and it was delayed another few seconds to show up on your computer. Or maybe you did cause damage, just not enough to take any parts off due to the high speed of his aircraft and angle. I'm thinking though you had rubber bullets. Do you remember if anyone else had the same problem at the same time as you furby?
Anyone else that has posted here have any rubber bullets on film?
i hammered him, those are 23mm cannon, usually a couple of pings suffice to kill something (even on panzers). that spit 14 (took no visible damage at all) dove on field, flew around circling and flying about for about 15 seconds before dying to another friendly and giving me assist.
i sent film to HTC and as per usual didnt even receive a confirmation that they received it. makes you wonder why you bother trying to help out sometimes.
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I guarantee it happens in a tank. In fact, when you are spouting "rubber" bullets, you can't even get a smoke round to smoke.. This has happened to me many times in a large GV battle.
Last night was the first time I had rubber bullets in a plane. I emptied my 163 cannons into a B24 with no effect. Solid hit sprites, no damage.
I didn't film it because I don't film my flights unless I am in a great ACM fight, then for my own education.
Trust me, it happens, albeit quite rarely.
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Originally posted by Furball
i sent film to HTC and as per usual didnt even receive a confirmation that they received it. makes you wonder why you bother trying to help out sometimes.
Well, I have only send in 1 or 2 films. No responce either.