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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: gofaster on January 30, 2006, 01:27:54 PM
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Didn't someone once post the rankings of the most-often-used fighters in the MA? With the introduction of the new aircraft, I'd be interested in knowing the split amongst the various Spitfire models and how low the 109's sink in the rankings.
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I think this may be the thread you are looking for:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168058
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Someone posted last camp about plane usage, but the spitXVI is by far the most used plane in the MA, followed by the La7. I think the first 109 didn't even rank in the top 10.
Edit: Ok, top 17, lol.
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How awesome is the 109?! 2nd (maybe 3rd) best known ww2 fighter, and none of them are even in the top 15. I guess noone wants to stoop so low as to fly the LW ezmode birds.
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Originally posted by wetrat
How awesome is the 109?! 2nd (maybe 3rd) best known ww2 fighter, and none of them are even in the top 15. I guess noone wants to stoop so low as to fly the LW ezmode birds.
lol. the thing is, as a brit i like to fly my spit, and hate when people tell me im a lame easy mode dweeb because i fly a 'dweeby' spitfire. yet these guys are flying lgays and all kinds of runtard planes. most of you guys will know im the first to dive intoa furball, no matter the odds, and always the last one to leave, and, well, i am pretty good in a spit i guess, and i too am exremely annoyed whena spitfire HO's me, and all the dweebs just being skilless in them. yet somehow all spit pilots, no matter what ability, seem to get stick from runtards. i just find it kind of annoying sometimes. im sure someone knows what i mean
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Originally posted by Casper1
I think this may be the thread you are looking for:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168058
That's the one. I'm more than a little surprised how quickly the Spit IX was dumped in favor of the Spit XVI, and how far the once-popular ride has fallen in the charts.
Rank Type Kills Deaths K-% K/D
1 Spitfire XVI 43991 38519 10.85 1.14
7 SeaFire 16085 18221 3.97 0.88
20 Spitfire VIII 7679 8698 1.89 0.88
27 Spitfire IX 4435 5127 1.09 0.87
31 Spitfire V 3306 5895 0.82 0.56
I'm also surprised at the shuffle of the 109s:
Rank Type Kills Deaths K-% K/D
17 Bf 109K-4 8149 5412 2.01 1.51
26 Bf 109G-14 4605 4233 1.14 1.09
35 Bf 109G-2 2212 1885 0.55 1.17
40 Bf 109G-6 1628 1906 0.40 0.85
46 Bf 109F-4 1020 1245 0.25 0.82
I always thought the old G-10 was better off with gondolas than with the 30mm. Right now I'm doing better in the G-14 and I am in the 109K.
I'm also surprised that the F-4 is rated so far below the G-2. I consider the F-4 to be the better dogfighter of those two.
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Well, I'm Canadian, so I too have an excuse to fly the sissyfires and noobstangs... but I don't :p
And yeah gofaster, the G14/K4 difference is strange to me as well... by me, the G14 feels pretty much like the G6 of old. Maybe a little more nimble, but not much. The K4 is supposedly the G10... I always used 30's, so that's moot. Back when the G10 was still the G10 and the G6 was still the G6, the G10 was better in absolutely every way, and I'd only fly the G6 if I was feeling masochistic. Now, it's pretty much the other way around... 81-10 in the G14, 87-12 in the G2 vs. 90-32 in the K4. I fly the G14 and K4 the exact same in every way (obviously with slightly less vertical muscle in hte G14), but the G14 seems to do my thing for me better. Regardless of the fact that, technically, the K4 is the better fighter. Weird. The G2 would be, hands down, the best dogfighter of the three if it had a 30mm option, but it doesn't... so you either fly it in pig-mode with gondies, or tickle people to death with 2x7 and 1x20.
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Originally posted by gofaster
That's the one. I'm more than a little surprised how quickly the Spit IX was dumped in favor of the Spit XVI, and how far the once-popular ride has fallen in the charts.
actually if you look back, the spit V i believe was more used than the IX for quite a few months (before the remodel, and when the V had that extra boost)
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Originally posted by gofaster
That's the one. I'm more than a little surprised how quickly the Spit IX was dumped in favor of the Spit XVI, and how far the once-popular ride has fallen in the charts.
Shouldn't be.
The LF XVI is far more suited to our low alt furballs than the F IX.
As the previous poster stated even the V (old one) overtook the IX in usage.
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Originally posted by wetrat
Well, I'm Canadian, so I too have an excuse to fly the sissyfires and noobstangs... but I don't :p
And yeah gofaster, the G14/K4 difference is strange to me as well... by me, the G14 feels pretty much like the G6 of old. Maybe a little more nimble, but not much. The K4 is supposedly the G10... I always used 30's, so that's moot. Back when the G10 was still the G10 and the G6 was still the G6, the G10 was better in absolutely every way, and I'd only fly the G6 if I was feeling masochistic. Now, it's pretty much the other way around... 81-10 in the G14, 87-12 in the G2 vs. 90-32 in the K4. I fly the G14 and K4 the exact same in every way (obviously with slightly less vertical muscle in hte G14), but the G14 seems to do my thing for me better. Regardless of the fact that, technically, the K4 is the better fighter. Weird. The G2 would be, hands down, the best dogfighter of the three if it had a 30mm option, but it doesn't... so you either fly it in pig-mode with gondies, or tickle people to death with 2x7 and 1x20.
109's any model at 20 paces? You in?
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1 Spitfire XVI 43991 38519 10.85 1.14
I remember when the Chog got Perked for that kinda kill % also ...
So whats really going on ... Unperk the Chog and the spit 14 ... or balance this out and Perk that pesky spit 16 ....
Or Just rename the MA to the "SPIT 16 Arena"
And while I have your attention ... Whats up with the 50 cals , they dont seam to have any power anymore ..
"Our 50 cal's would Cut a boxcar in half" (I forgot who quoted this but it was one of the WW2 Jug Pilots)
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Originally posted by ColdKill
109's any model at 20 paces? You in?
Supersoakers at dawn.
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Originally posted by wetrat
Supersoakers at dawn.
:aok
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Whats up with the 50 cals , they dont seam to have any power anymore ..
:rofl
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You know what I miss the most about the Spitfire IX? The option to carry the twin .50s instead of the quad .303s.
Bring back the Brownings!
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
I remember when the Chog got Perked for that kinda kill % also ...
Are you sure? I seem to recall the F4U-1C approaching 25% of arena kills when they decided to perk it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
1 Spitfire XVI 43991 38519 10.85 1.14
I remember when the Chog got Perked for that kinda kill % also ...
So whats really going on ... Unperk the Chog and the spit 14 ... or balance this out and Perk that pesky spit 16 ....
Or Just rename the MA to the "SPIT 16 Arena"
And while I have your attention ... Whats up with the 50 cals , they dont seam to have any power anymore ..
"Our 50 cal's would Cut a boxcar in half" (I forgot who quoted this but it was one of the WW2 Jug Pilots)
:aok You got my vote. I am sick of the Spit16 being the uber-free ride it is when the C-Hog and similar rides are perked.
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Originally posted by gofaster
You know what I miss the most about the Spitfire IX? The option to carry the twin .50s instead of the quad .303s.
Bring back the Brownings!
1942 F IX couldn't carry 50cals.
'e' wing with 50 cals wasn't available until 1944.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Are you sure? I seem to recall the F4U-1C approaching 25% of arena kills when they decided to perk it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I wonder what the total number of players back then was? And I wonder how many total kills there were in the tours before the chog was perked.
I'm guessing the spit16 (by itself, now) has more kills than the entire arena back then.
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Quite possibly.
But 25% is 25%, XVI would have to double and a little bit more to reach those heights.
A 1/4 of all kills irrespective of overall numbers is a hell of a lot.
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Last night in the MA I was in my 1-Hog at 10k heading towards a bogey ib on one of our bases. I'm slightly above him and in a shallow dive to pick up airspeed (~400+ mph). I ID'ed the conn as a Spit 16 so I pull up in a zoom climb to stay above him planning to reverse and dive on him, (I HATE trying to fight co-alt with those things) and as soon as I pass him on the merge I look back and he's climbing RIGHT ON MY SIX and CLOSING. WTFH! A total 180 in the second it took me to switch views after the merge, and he didn't even lose ground!
I hate Spitfires. :p
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Tour 1 spiked up to 19000 kills. Back then there were hardly ANY players, compared to what we have. It then dropped to between 8000 and 15000 until tour 10 or so, then it jumped radically, averaging 25000 kills, spiking in tour 12 to 39000 kills.
"F4U-1C has 39515 Kills of All models
All models have 29451 Kills of F4U-1C"
Tour 16 is when they perked it, apparently, because at 16 it drops to about 8000 and it averages around there for most of the tours afterwards.
So even in the freak spike up to 39000 kills the chog in its day when it was getting 25% of all the kills in the ENTIRE arena was still getting less kills than the spit16 is now.
Consider that the average at peak time for chog was about 25000 or so, that's nearly been doubled by the spit16.
Okay I just did a check of tour 12 kills and added it up. It comes to roughly 224,000 kills total. Of that the chog got roughly 40,000 (and this was PEAK, highest the chog got by far), which means at best the chog (which disrupted the arena to the point of being PERKED) only had 20% of the kills there. If we go back to 25,000 average for the chog (counting tour 12 as a fluke) then it's down to a mere 10%, which the spit16 has surpassed at this point.
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:rofl I love the 16. It destroied the "Perk the LALAz" threads, muahahahahahaha:lol
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Krusty -
Just because we have more players the Spit XVI is still only getting around 10% of the kills.
The fact that 10% of the current MA is higher than 25% of a less populated MA is irrelevant.
If it ever hits 25% in the CURRENT MA, they may start looking at perking it.
Think about ENY limits it works the same way -
if x country outnumbers y country by z percent then limit.
NOT
if x country outnumbers y country by 100 players then limit.
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tour 72:
Spitfire Mk XVI has 34256 Kills of All models
All models have 31392 Kills of Spitfire Mk XVI
tour 71:
Spitfire Mk XVI has 43991 Kills of All models
All models have 38519 Kills of Spitfire Mk XVI
tour 70:
Spitfire Mk XVI has 41468 Kills of All models
All models have 36904 Kills of Spitfire Mk XVI
Tour 71 stats: total kills (not counting C47s or ship guns)
about 637,000.
However, please note that GV use took of since tour 12. Tour 71 had 185,000 (roughly) GV/boat kills, leaving the "planes only" kills at about 452,000. That still puts the spit16 at about 10% use.
Going back and picking tour 13 (more average, not the peak) I tallied up the "plane only" kills:
~130,000 kills total. Of that the chog got 23582 kills.
Unless my math is WAAAAY off, that's (23.5 / 130 = 18%), roughly 18% of the total "air" kills.
However, the percentage may be misleading because of the sheer number of players we have now. 10% of spit16 use is STILL almost double the 20% of chog use back in the "teens" tours.
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How many more players have we now?
Double, triple, more?
Sounds good in theory Krusty, would never hold up in a pure comparison.
25% of 1000 = 250
25% of 10000 = 2500
Still both 25%, doesn't matter one is higher than the other.
Comparing an MA with a lot more players to one with a lot less, and then saying see 10% of our current MA is more than 25% of our old one isn't a viable comparison.
In fact your own figures show there is now over 3x as many kills overall compared to the Chog era. 452k v 130k.
In order for the XVI to reach the CHog it would need over 100,000 kills.
Using your own words -
"10% of spit16 use is STILL almost double the 20% of chog use back in the "teens" tours.
Then factor in there is more than triple (452k v 130k) overall kills, the 10% looks tame compared to the unperked Chog tours.
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It's not just a pure percentage, otherwise it would be cut and dried. There is no way to say "wait until it hits 25%, then perk it" when comparing directly to the chog and its claimed 25%, because the player base has grown so much since then. The chog was by far the most used plane in the arena back when it was perked. The spit16 is used far more than the other "top 3" by an even greater margin than the chog was.
Whatever the chog was during its time, the spit16 is more so currently.
I don't see a perk for a bit, heck the chog took 5 tours or so before it got one (5 tours after use spiked horribly). However I DO see a perk coming in the future.
EDIT: I was using these percentages to show how much use the planes were getting and the similarities between the two cases. I wasn't arguing for "oh it's pure percentage, we perk it on that".
Numbers are just to illustrate the problem.
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CC -
I added this bit while you were posting I guess -
Using your own words -
"10% of spit16 use is STILL almost double the 20% of chog use back in the "teens" tours.
Then factor in there is more than triple (452k v 130k) overall kills, the 10% looks tame compared to the unperked Chog tours.
Basically the XVI has almost double the kills of the CHog, but in an MA with over triple the overall kills compared to the earlier MA.
Hardly a reason for a perk of any kind.
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Krusty, we use percentages as a means of comparison for a reason. I think you currently fail to understand that reason.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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lolz Krusty.
:huh
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Krusty, we use percentages as a means of comparison for a reason. I think you currently fail to understand that reason.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Lev - why do you always sound so 'intellectually engaged'?
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Originally posted by Kev367th
CC -
I added this bit while you were posting I guess -
Using your own words -
"10% of spit16 use is STILL almost double the 20% of chog use back in the "teens" tours.
Then factor in there is more than triple (452k v 130k) overall kills, the 10% looks tame compared to the unperked Chog tours.
Basically the XVI has almost double the kills of the CHog, but in an MA with over triple the overall kills compared to the earlier MA.
Hardly a reason for a perk of any kind.
The reason it should be perked is because the Spit14 (or XIV for you Spit-luvas) is perked. They are very equal except at high alt, and who even flyies at high alt in the game anyways?
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Originally posted by Casper1
The reason it should be perked is because the Spit14 (or XIV for you Spit-luvas) is perked. They are very equal except at high alt, and who even flyies at high alt in the game anyways?
On the precept that the number 16 is higher than the number 14, so it must be better?
Bit of news -
Spit 16 is a Spit 9 with a Merlin engine made in the USA.
Could have just as easily been tagged Spit LF IXe instead of Spit XVI.
In fact take the 50cals off it, it is a 1943 LF IX, same motor, airframe.
Spit 14 is a Griffon engine Spit.
Easy timeline -
1943 - Spit IXc fitted with Merlin 66, redesignated LF IXc
1944 - 'e' wing (50cal and 20mm) introduced
1944 - Spit LF IXc with 'e' wing redesignated LF IXe
1944 - Packard produces Merlin 66 in the US with model name Merlin 266
1944 - Spit LF IXe with US Merlin 266 redesignated Spit XVI
If you think they are very equal - try the AvA next week when both become available. (14 will be free)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
And while I have your attention ... Whats up with the 50 cals , they dont seam to have any power anymore ..
"Our 50 cal's would Cut a boxcar in half" (I forgot who quoted this but it was one of the WW2 Jug Pilots)
Yeah! The cine film I've seen from Jugs attacking ground targets with .50s show complete havoc being wreaked, with targets blowing up and the ground generally erupting in hellfire.
Don't know if this stuff's well known to everybody, but for those who haven't seen it...
Some fabulous colour footage of and from Jugs, showing how effective their .50s were.
For those of you who haven't seen these films, they're a treat. 5mins and 11mins. First film is of/from P47s and the second film is a mish mash of aircraft and contains more familiar footage such as bits from the Memphis Belle prop/doc.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&q=%22P-47+Guncamera+footage%22+playable%3Atrue (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&q=%22P-47+Guncamera+footage%22+playable%3Atrue)
And more.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6641591019511780418 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6641591019511780418)
All thanks to http://www.ww2incolor.com (http://www.ww2incolor.com) They have more colour films there to watch.
I don't want to hijack this thread so best not post any comments about the films here.
KD
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I admit, at FIRST I said "it's this %, that's that % this is worse" THEN I actually tallied up the numbers to check.
It's still by far THE most used plane in the entire game. You are more likely to run into a crowd of 5 enemy and have 3 of them be spit16s than you are to have a pony, a n1k2, a lala, a spit and a dora.
So like I said, I predict it'll be sooner or later, unless the numbers REALLY drop down and level out (not too likely). I suspect in 4 months or so when there's enough of a history to go back and look at the tour stats.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I admit, at FIRST I said "it's this %, that's that % this is worse" THEN I actually tallied up the numbers to check.
It's still by far THE most used plane in the entire game. You are more likely to run into a crowd of 5 enemy and have 3 of them be spit16s than you are to have a pony, a n1k2, a lala, a spit and a dora.
So like I said, I predict it'll be sooner or later, unless the numbers REALLY drop down and level out (not too likely). I suspect in 4 months or so when there's enough of a history to go back and look at the tour stats.
Yes, it is much more likely that you will run into 3/5 Spit 16s than that exact combination of other planes, but that is misleading because in both cases you are talking about less than a 1% chance if you assume 5 people picking their planes independantly and at random.
For the record though, I calculated it to be a .09% chance of running into 3 Spit 16s out of 5 planes if you assume the above and use the death numbers to approximate actual numbers of planes.
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Let me sum the last half of this thread up... skuzzy, you can lock it now.
1. There are too many newbies flying Spit16's. Surprise surprise.
2. Krusty has far too much time on his hands, and doesn't have enough things to worry about.
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Originally posted by Casper1
Lev - why do you always sound so 'intellectually engaged'?
Because hes a *very* smart boy.... :D
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Originally posted by Kev367th
On the precept that the number 16 is higher than the number 14, so it must be better?
Bit of news -
Spit 16 is a Spit 9 with a Merlin engine made in the USA.
Could have just as easily been tagged Spit LF IXe instead of Spit XVI.
In fact take the 50cals off it, it is a 1943 LF IX, same motor, airframe.
Spit 14 is a Griffon engine Spit.
Easy timeline -
1943 - Spit IXc fitted with Merlin 66, redesignated LF IXc
1944 - 'e' wing (50cal and 20mm) introduced
1944 - Spit LF IXc with 'e' wing redesignated LF IXe
1944 - Packard produces Merlin 66 in the US with model name Merlin 266
1944 - Spit LF IXe with US Merlin 266 redesignated Spit XVI
If you think they are very equal - try the AvA next week when both become available. (14 will be free)
The .50 cals make it a much better plane than the Spit 9. Also, the Spit14 has this awful tendency to lose its wings in high-G manuevers, whereas (in my limited experience) the Spit 16 does not.
I also feel that the Spit16 (b/c of its clipped wing design) is a better rolling plane than the 9, and seems to handle somewhat better overall.
I am not disagreeing with your facts Kev, you definetly know your aircraft. My argument is that the Spit14 is very much on par with the 16 considering their different pros/cons in the AH world. But the 14 is perked...
Anyways...onto the next whine :)
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this hardly seems right...
Are you guys saying that in a late war dominated arena.... that people are shunning the 109 like it was.... well.... like.... like...
some tarted up outdated design being produced by a losing country or something?
Have they not heard of hartman?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Lazs I read your reply almost 10 minutes ago and it still has me laughing.
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OK Folks gonna say this one time. Maybe splain a few things for those of you who don't know.....or know and forget. IF you're in a faster plane then a spitfire and lose, there are only a few ways you can lose and both reasons are your fault.
1.) Your're in anything but a Zero and you try to outfight a spit in a turnfight.
2.) You're trapped on the deck slow.
Spits fall apart just like anything else in this game when hit buy bullits. Why would you want to turnfight a spit when you have a faster aircraft? Choice of combat is yours if coalt......set the target up and do what you have to! Use what advantages your aircraft has over the spits, and don't fight into the advantages of the spit. This of course goes for whatever aircraft you chose to fly. Really these are basic and rudimentary rules for smart combat. Easy to remember. When you get shot down not the other pilots fault in all instances it's yours! You enabled him to get you in his sights. Don't blame it on the spit, Chog or La7.....it's you.
By the way......I'm in favor of only perking the 262 and the 163 for obvious reasons. All other aircraft don't need perked imho. Any prop plane in this game can be beaten by another. Hos"? Avoid them. If not....well get another airplane you pay for them.
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:aok
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Originally posted by Hajo
OK Folks gonna say this one time. Maybe splain a few things for those of you who don't know.....or know and forget. IF you're in a faster plane then a spitfire and lose, there are only a few ways you can lose and both reasons are your fault.
1.) Your're in anything but a Zero and you try to outfight a spit in a turnfight.
2.) You're trapped on the deck slow.
Spits fall apart just like anything else in this game when hit buy bullits. Why would you want to turnfight a spit when you have a faster aircraft? Choice of combat is yours if coalt......set the target up and do what you have to! Use what advantages your aircraft has over the spits, and don't fight into the advantages of the spit. This of course goes for whatever aircraft you chose to fly. Really these are basic and rudimentary rules for smart combat. Easy to remember. When you get shot down not the other pilots fault in all instances it's yours! You enabled him to get you in his sights. Don't blame it on the spit, Chog or La7.....it's you.
By the way......I'm in favor of only perking the 262 and the 163 for obvious reasons. All other aircraft don't need perked imho. Any prop plane in this game can be beaten by another. Hos"? Avoid them. If not....well get another airplane you pay for them.
Beautifull! We need to sticky this! This is the essence of air combat, simulated and actual.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Hajo
OK Folks gonna say this one time. Maybe splain a few things for those of you who don't know.....or know and forget. IF you're in a faster plane then a spitfire and lose, there are only a few ways you can lose and both reasons are your fault.
1.) Your're in anything but a Zero and you try to outfight a spit in a turnfight.
2.) You're trapped on the deck slow.
Spits fall apart just like anything else in this game when hit buy bullits. Why would you want to turnfight a spit when you have a faster aircraft? Choice of combat is yours if coalt......set the target up and do what you have to! Use what advantages your aircraft has over the spits, and don't fight into the advantages of the spit. This of course goes for whatever aircraft you chose to fly. Really these are basic and rudimentary rules for smart combat. Easy to remember. When you get shot down not the other pilots fault in all instances it's yours! You enabled him to get you in his sights. Don't blame it on the spit, Chog or La7.....it's you.
By the way......I'm in favor of only perking the 262 and the 163 for obvious reasons. All other aircraft don't need perked imho. Any prop plane in this game can be beaten by another. Hos"? Avoid them. If not....well get another airplane you pay for them.
AMEN !....
No Snivelers !......
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That'd work if planes didn't do some downright bizarre and totally WTF?! things in the MA (see my previous post: zoom climb during merge at 400mph to stay above the Spit, look back as soon as we pass and he's ~d500 and CLOSING climbing up my 6).
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Originally posted by KD303
Yeah! The cine film I've seen from Jugs attacking ground targets with .50s show complete havoc being wreaked, with targets blowing up and the ground generally erupting in hellfire.
lol
This "havoc" is nothing but fountains of dust raised by bullets. Until they hit something like fuel tanks.
Originally posted by KD303
For those of you who haven't seen these films, they're a treat. 5mins and 11mins. First film is of/from P47s and the second film is a mish mash of aircraft and contains more familiar footage such as bits from the Memphis Belle prop/doc.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&q=%22P-47+Guncamera+footage%22+playable%3Atrue (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&q=%22P-47+Guncamera+footage%22+playable%3Atrue)
And more.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6641591019511780418 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6641591019511780418)
Ironically these clips show pretty well how overmodelled 0.5 cals in AH.
All planes was shot up by 0.5 cals fire got only leaks, no single structural failure. In AH 0.5 cals easy rip wings and tails.
12mm is deadly in AH. If you have problems with them you need to work at your gunnery.
P.S. This thread already became another "perk spit16" thread, so i dont see reason to not "hijack" it.
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Most popular fighter in the MA ? ... JohnnyRa
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Are you sure? I seem to recall the F4U-1C approaching 25% of arena kills when they decided to perk it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Yea I thought it was around 20% when we had the Chog perked .. but hell most of the MA was flying it (i know I was)..
you guys havent taken into account that our plane set has almost doubled since those days ... (just tossing in what everyone is overlooking )
Also are gv kills in this too or are they seperate ??
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Originally posted by Hajo
Why would you want to turnfight a spit when you have a faster aircraft?
Cause you can? :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
Yes, it is much more likely that you will run into 3/5 Spit 16s than that exact combination of other planes, but that is misleading because in both cases you are talking about less than a 1% chance if you assume 5 people picking their planes independantly and at random.
Well, independantly YES. Random NO.
Prk the lala :lol
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Well by "random" I mean there that the % chance of them "picking" the plane is the same as the % of the plane in the total population.
I.E Spit 16 had ~10.4% of the total fighter deaths, so there is about a 10.4% chance that whatever plane you run into will be a Spit 16.
I don't mean that someone makes a list of AH2 fighters, nails it to the wall, and throws darts at it.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Well by "random" I mean there that the % chance of them "picking" the plane is the same as the % of the plane in the total population.
I.E Spit 16 had ~10.4% of the total fighter deaths, so there is about a 10.4% chance that whatever plane you run into will be a Spit 16.
I don't mean that someone makes a list of AH2 fighters, nails it to the wall, and throws darts at it.
:p
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Originally posted by Hajo
Why would you want to turnfight a spit when you have a faster aircraft?
Because some of us enjoy a challenge, and don't go the easy route every time?
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Originally posted by Oleg
lol
This "havoc" is nothing but fountains of dust raised by bullets. Until they hit something like fuel tanks.
Er, no. I can't be arsed arguing about it but they do a lot more than raise dust.
12mm is deadly in AH. If you have problems with them you need to work at your gunnery.
I have no problems with them. I didn't suggest or imply that I can't get kills with them. I think you're trying to get a rise. Naughty naughty boy.
KD
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Originally posted by Oleg
lol
Ironically these clips show pretty well how overmodelled 0.5 cals in AH.
All planes was shot up by 0.5 cals fire got only leaks, no single structural failure. In AH 0.5 cals easy rip wings and tails.
12mm is deadly in AH. If you have problems with them you need to work at your gunnery.
Not sure if I'm missing your point here Oleg, but 12mm = 0.5inch (roughly). In fact 12mm is slightly smaller round with lower muzzle velocity.
Regards
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Originally posted by Whisky58
Not sure if I'm missing your point here Oleg, but 12mm = 0.5inch (roughly). In fact 12mm is slightly smaller round with lower muzzle velocity.
I mean 0.5 cal, just name it "12mm" because it more habitual for me.