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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gman on January 18, 2001, 09:28:00 PM
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http://www.msnbc.com/msn/517986.asp (http://www.msnbc.com/msn/517986.asp)
LOL!
I think every single person that has ever been on CNN has a skeleton in the closet someplace. Now it's Captain Righteous' turn.
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hehe I was going to post on that but ya beat me, but dont worry remember jesse jackson's opinions are "the opinions and feeling of a black people who are too represed to speak out" so all black people do that stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
"Civil rights activist to take hiatus from public life"
looks like he didnt take any hiatus for his PUBIC life.
I cant wait till chris rock and leno get ahold of this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm under the impression that there is a wide-spread belief in the black community that the CIA (allegedly via Bush senior's "connections")orchestrated Jackson's exposure to take him out of the line-up in the opposition to Ashcroft. I'm basing this on a sampling of local radio talk shows. Also, I personally know a well-respected, highly-educated black school teacher (a fine lady) who believes this.
That is disturbing. It shows what an uphill struggle Bush will have with black America.
:/
Gunthr
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Gunthr, shows you how far media bias (both left and right) can go in warping someones vision of reality.
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Just the libs playing the race card again. One day the average African American will have the insight, pride and common sense to see thru the current smoke and mirrors. Presently, the democrats make it to easy and comfortable for them not to play the victim. We're just a bunch of mean ole white people (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Eagler, I don't really know too much about this Jackson person, but I can't agree with the statement that discrimination and racism (it exists everywhere) is simply an illusion dreamt up by a vocal Negro minority. It smacks of glossing over the problem and perhaps even ignoring it.
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I'm under the impression that there is a wide-spread belief in the black community that the CIA (allegedly via Bush senior's "connections")orchestrated Jackson's exposure to take him out of the line-up in the opposition to Ashcroft.
Seems that would be more of an FBI operation. I still have to call BS on it though. If the CIA or FBI wanted to lend credence to the accusations, they would have gone to someone other than the National Enquirer. Afterall, Jesse only went public after finding out NE was going to run an exclusive on him.
So.. if you want to believe it was a CIA plot.. how about this. The CIA plants information uncovering the affair with several established news agencies. All of them refuse to run the story (why?). Eventually, the CIA must resort to using the National Enquirer to spread the information.
The story can get even sillier. Of course, most conspiracy theories can. And it was sheer coincidence that news of Bush's DUI came out a scant two days before the election.
AKDejaVu
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Eagler, I don't really know too much about this Jackson person, but I can't agree with the statement that discrimination and racism (it exists everywhere) is simply an illusion dreamt up by a vocal Negro minority. It smacks of glossing over the problem and perhaps even ignoring it.
Thus the great paradox. How can a black man ever be given a fair assesment if the worry over his skin color exists.
So.. two things that need to be avoided:[list=1]- claiming that race wasn't an issue
- claiming that it wouldn't be made an issue even if it wasn't[/list=a]
Both points are basic human nature.
AKDejaVu
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Well, where do I start.
First of all ,DJ is correct in that it would be the job of the FBI not the CIA to destroy Jackson as he is a domestic enemy not foreign. The agencies are pretty territorial about that sort of thing.
Second: if he wasn’t dirty, they wouldn’t have been able to get him. If he was dirty, he shouldn’t talk so high and mighty. I don’t think anyone challenges the truth of the story.
Third: I disagree with DJ, the NE would be the PERFECT cover for the operation. It would be the venue I would choose if it were my op. For the very reason that everyone seems to discount FBI involvement BECAUSE it’s the NE. The original source doesn’t really matter. Just get the info out there and sooner or later the mainstream media will take over the story. Then its legit. And people seldom remember that it all started in the check-out counter rags. Didn’t the same thing happen with the Monica story? Started out in the rags and then went mainstream. The “system” has a way of neutralizing its domestic enemies. Sometimes its more dramatic, like JFK, King, Robert Kennedy jr. Now days the assassinations are more subtle. Character assassinations: Clinton, Hart, Jackson, OJ. The “System” must do what it needs to do to protect its interests. All other considerations are secondary.
Finally, now that I’ve told you this, I have to kill you.
Regards,
Wab
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Wab...but..but..I met you, at the con, you would *still* kill me? Okay, use my gun then.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I dont see why anyone would set out to destroy JJ, I doubt anyone could do a better job at it than he is. The man is by far he most racist public speaker since adolf hitler, the only reason he gets away with spewing his garbage is because he has that "speaking for the black people" angle which is total roadkill. If he were white he would be regarded worse than the grand wizard of the KKK.
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Ripsnort,
Wabbit only has to kill you if you aren't on "The List". I don't have "The List" handy right now (its locked in a vault in Oklahoma), but I'll have someone check it to see if your name is there.
AKDejaVu
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Wobble - The day I take seriously anything you have to say on the issue of race, is the day I open the Sheffield office of the KKK.
DejaVu - I think race relations is perhaps the most difficult subject facing the developed world today. The main problem is one of subjectivity - something that was racially abusive to one person, might be quite the opposite to another.
Unless you've truly experienced racism, I don't think you can ever understand what it feels like to abused like that. A mate of mine is going out with a Pakistani girl (he is white), and I know for a fact that they have been racially abused because of it (usually by groups of nobheads passing in cars). It really got to him more than her (I assume she is used to that crap).
I hate racism perhaps more than any other form of bigotry - it's so destructive and divisive. It's obvious that we will never have a truly civilised society until it is eliminated.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 01-19-2001).]
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"nobheads"
well if you hold yerself to the same standards ya hold me to for saying gook that 1 time several months ago now you are a racist bigot too dipshit.
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 01-19-2001).]
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Racism is ignorance
Ignorance of the fact the way way down inside we are all one.
Until that truth is realized by all, we will have racism. How and what one does with it defines his/her character. To exploit the fact that racism exists is to feed it and make it grow. We saw a fine case of this with the vote in Florida and now with Ashcrofts nomination. Both just stirred the racist pot with nothing good coming out of it but increased racism.
Eagler
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Unless you've truly experienced racism, I don't think you can ever understand what it feels like to abused like that. A mate of mine is going out with a Pakistani girl (he is white), and I know for a fact that they have been racially abused because of it (usually by groups of nobheads passing in cars). It really got to him more than her (I assume she is used to that crap).
And if you think this is a classic example of racism you are sorely mistaken. This is more towards the extreme. It is a good example because it makes it easy to point at others as being real racists while you can sit back with your own idiosynchrisis and feign complete absence of racism.
Real racism is noticing that the woman is Pakistani, then taking time to note how people treat here differently. I'm not saying this is bad, but you are able to attribute the mistreatment to race, then you recognize the racial difference.
As a result, racism will always exist since it is imposible to prevent it at even the most fundamental levels. Since it exists at those levels (IN EVERYONE), it will exists at more amplified levels... lets say in the 3rd sigma of the group. And.. it will exist at the extreme ends of the bell cure too.
AKDejaVu
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He came through the FBO I work at last week in a Lear 55. Im just curious about where hes getting his money and where can I fill out an app. for that job
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Dowd....its not right that others should be held acountable for how someone else feels about things. Things are said in public that if taken oneway or another would offend most people. You talk about perception but im not responsible for your perception of the world. The fact that a certain group believes they are treated differently doesn't give them the right of final judgement on things they percieve as offensive. In order to come to these conclusion they themselves become guilty of the very thing they claim to be against. Whether there is a justification or a better yet a rationalization of racism doesn't make it so and giving all the credit to those claiming injury over those who intent has yet to be proven is wrong. Offense and malice are two different things and a society ought to seek out those who ACT maliciously over those who may give an opportunity to the victim class to claim offense.
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Wobble - the term 'nobhead' has nothing to do with race - it has everything to do with acting like a complete idiot. Now there's some irony for you.
...own idiosynchrisis and feign complete absence of racism.
Are you saying I'm racist, AKDejaVu? Is that 'feign complete absence of racism' referring to my character?
Real racism is noticing that the woman is Pakistani, then taking time to note how people treat here differently. I'm not saying this is bad, but you are able to attribute the mistreatment to race, then you recognize the racial difference.
Come on, DejaVu. You cite the example as being real racism, but seem to be implying that being racially abused (verbally) isn't bigotry. I'm describing racism that I have witnessed personally - overt, hateful abuse which has no place in the modern world. And there is still plenty of it to be sorted out.
...then taking time to note how people treat here differently.
I noticed alright. I was there. "Paki squeak", "Get the **** out of my country." Only a fool would need to 'take the time' to notice the comments were racist.
It seems to me most cases of descrimination in the work place involve overt racist or sexist language. Not this 'perfect' conspiracy you seem to be describing, where a person from an ethnic minority never is directly insulted, but just 'feels' intimidated.
Wotan,
The fact that a certain group believes they are treated differently doesn't give them the right of final judgement on things they percieve as offensive.
Really? Then who does make that decision? The majority? 'There is now no problem with using the words, gook, cupcake, rag-head, kike etc etc' If the majority decreed this, then the minority would have to accept that? Please tell me this is not the case.
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Sorry, but racism exists in the USA. I can't believe you guys would even question it. Is it that you're just so tired of hearing about it that you wish it'd just go away? Multiply that wish by a factor of at least 10, and you know how much many minorities wish it would too.
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Real racism is noticing that the woman is Pakistani, then taking time to note how people treat here differently. I'm not saying this is bad, but you are able to attribute the mistreatment to race, then you recognize the racial difference.
Noticing the differences in a person is not racist. It is being aware. Determining that those differences are indicators of some broad behavioral pattern, or personality trait is racist. A person can notice the differences between races without being racist, but a person that pre-judges an entire race based on perceived differences is racist.
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A story of my 1st hand account of "passive" racism just this past thursday....
I took a train from Houston to New Orleans last thursday. As I got on the train they told me to go to seat 41. There was an African American sitting in seat 40. There were quite a few black people on the train and I could hear the conductor asking them for their tickets, "Tickets.............please". Then he said those same words to the gentleman next to me. Then he turned to me and said "Ticket please, Sir and he said Sir and Ma'am to all other whites in that car, but not the blacks.
To be quite frank it pissed me off, it was the first time that I realized "passive" racism was going on in front of me. Later I was talking with Patrick, the dude in seat 40. I told him what I had noticed and he just laughed and said he's so used to it that he didn't even notice it. We then started talking politics and race. He was a democrat and I told him I was republican.
I politely pointed out that I was Republican and NOT a racist, he started laughing, realy hard, and told me that the biggest racist he knew were democrats and most were black. He said he lived in the middle of River Oaks, which is about a 100% Republican, rich, subdivision in Houston. I asked him if his neighbors were "mean" to him. He said no and that even though they're rich and he's not that he is welcome in any of his neighbors homes. He politely told me that he gets the best from both sides of the political spectrum.
Anyway the whole conversation left me with an optimistic feeling that we can get over the race thing in this country. We basicly agreed that everybody needs to just MIND THEIR OWN squealing BUSINESS and the rest will fall into place.
The Ud'ster