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Texas school claims sole use of '12th Man'
06:26 PM PST on Monday, January 30, 2006
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A Texas school has filed for a temporary restraining order preventing the Seattle Seahawks from using the term "The 12th Man" to describe its fans.
Texas A&M University claims that the school patented the term in 1990 and a variation "12th Mania" in 1996.
12th Man
Texas A&M has filed a court order to stop the Seattle Seahawks from using the term "12th Man" to describe its fans. Why now?
Just for the publicity
Because there's nothing else memorable about the Aggies
They want Paul Allen to pay them off
Because they're Steelers fans
They've got to much time on their hands
Because they'd never heard of the Seahawks before last Sunday
Because the school would otherwise "suffer immediate and irreparable injury"
A hearing is set for a district court in Brazos County, Texas for Thursday, three days before the Seahawks play their first Super Bowl game ever.
The school seeks to stop the Hawks from "using, selling, offering for sale, disseminating, distributing, delivering, circulating, issuing, marketing, displaying, promoting or advertising any products goods or services" that use "12th Man" or "12th Mania"
A booster Web site for the school claims that the term has been in use to describe Aggies fans since 1922.
In Seattle, the 12th Man tradition began in 1984, when the Seahawks retired the jersey number 12 to honor their fans. Back then, the otherwise drab Kingdome was the loudest venue in the NFL, even though the team had just two winning seasons in its first seven years after beginning play in 1976.
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Ya dont mess with the 12th man. That there is a serious offense in these parts and like you posted its been around for a good bit. I dont think the Seahawks are gonna win their court case. Not in Brazos County anyway.
Gig'em Aggs
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Meanwhile in Seattle, when this story broke, Paul Allen had #12[/b] added to the port and starboard side of "Seahawk One" Boeing 757 as a way of flipping the bird to Texas A&M. (you can barely make out the new #12 white lettering in this pic below, below the cockpit)
(Basically this means his lawyers can beat up their lawyers, especially considering he's like the 2nd or 3rd richest guy in the world.;) )
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/127659126.jpg)
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Originally posted by Wolf14
Ya dont mess with the 12th man. That there is a serious offense in these parts and like you posted its been around for a good bit. I dont think the Seahawks are gonna win their court case. Not in Brazos County anyway.
Gig'em Aggs
So why did they wait 22 years? I think I know why.
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/127791305.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So why did they wait 22 years? I think I know why.
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/127791305.jpg)
Where to begin.......
I was born and raised in the area and I have found myself now in employment of TAMU. Over the years some things have become very apparent. As smart as they are, and there are some geniuses that go to school here, they just lack the abillty to use plain old common sense at times.
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Wait, texas A&M patented the 12th man? That small podunk school?
Man, that has been at my school longer then I've been alive.
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Originally posted by Wolf14
Where to begin.......
I was born and raised in the area and I have found myself now in employment of TAMU. Over the years some things have become very apparent. As smart as they are, and there are some geniuses that go to school here, they just lack the abillty to use plain old common sense at times.
Common sense and "College" is a double negative.
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Texas A&M are a bunch of losers anyway.
Rip's gonna love to hear this... Go Seahawks.
:aok
:D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Common sense and "College" is a double negative.
True, Just callin it like I sees it though. I guess also having a few bars that have held world records for most beer consumed per square foot doesnt help much either.
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Originally posted by Stang
Rip's gonna love to hear this... Go Seahawks.
:aok
:D
Ok now, crawl back into your Bungal hole.
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We will sweep the Steelers next year.
:p
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With who? Trent Dilfer? Marcus Vick? The one armed 12th man??
Dont leave me guessing.
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Originally posted by Stang
We will sweep the Steelers next year.
:p
Without Chris Henry it seems...
http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=8404
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Originally posted by Stang
Texas A&M are a bunch of losers anyway.
Rip's gonna love to hear this... Go Seahawks.
:aok
:D
The 12th man, guys !....Are all the Canadian fans, that cheer for Seahawks ...... let anyone tke them to court !:aok
Vilkas....:noid
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A&M was winning championships before you guys were born. The Corps has been around for quite a while. Just because you thought up the "12th man" recently does not mean you invented it. Why don't you invent a soda and call it Coca-Cola while your at it?
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Originally posted by rpm
A&M was winning championships before you guys were born. The Corps has been around for quite a while. Just because you thought up the "12th man" recently does not mean you invented it. Why don't you invent a soda and call it Coca-Cola while your at it?
i half to say this man knows his stuff. and thats for shore jack. back in the day the bear led the ackies to nat'l champiosnhip galore. if yore not with the aggies you can kiss my you know what mister.
aggies
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I didnt read the thread after the first 2 replies BUT.......STEELERS ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!
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i think the home team should get a penalty if the crowd makes too much noise.
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Uhm...err PENGUINITAS ALL..
no wait
REDWOLVES...no good
PLEBEIANS...NO...nICKELBACKS. ..NOO...OH i got it!
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}
catch(ReallyLameNameException e)
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Console.WriteLine("Like, are you serious?!00? Look at it!"+ e.ToString());
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finally{
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GO WHITECHICKENS! WOOOOOOOOOH!
}:D
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Originally posted by Nefarious
Without Chris Henry it seems...
http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=8404
He is an idiot. He and Marcus Vick should share a cell together.
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aggies invented the 12th toe also
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maybe they should get more than one fan. then they could have the 13th or even 14th man as well
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Originally posted by Stang
He is an idiot. He and Marcus Vick should share a cell together.
I think they should both carry the Bungals to Victory!!
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Originally posted by john9001
i think the home team should get a penalty if the crowd makes too much noise.
They tried that a few years ago
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
They tried that a few years ago
The rule still exists.
Crowd noise fouls are the result of the visiting offensive team being unable to call their signals successfully. The process starts when the quarterback appeals to the referee to quiet the crowd. The referee stops play and announces that the crowd noise must cease in order for the game continue. If the crowd noise continues, the referee announces, once again, that if the noise does not cease, the home team will be charged with a timeout. If the noise continues, play is stopped and a timeout is charged. If the home team has no timeouts remaining, a five-yard penalty for delay of game is assessed. This process, however, is rarely seen in today's games because the quarterbacks know that they must get the snap off, regardless of how loud the crowd noise is. Quarterbacks in today's game snap on silent signals so that voice does not have to initiate the snap. Once the game is stopped for crowd noise, the noise usually gets louder; and, consequently, quarterbacks deal with the noise rather than appeal. This is the reason that Seattle is not penalized for crowd noise.
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well there ya have it then
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the reason they waited till now to do anything about the Seahawks using the 12th man thing, is because before the game last Sunday, no one outside of Seattle knew the seahawks were using it! the first thing I thought when I saw that flag raised was, " what the hell are they doing, stealing that slogan from A&M?!?!?!" there's gonna be some pissed off aggies!
The Aggies have been using it since 1922, when they had a student come out of the stands to help their injury depleated team... and they've had it trade marked, and copy righted for quite some time.
sorry seahawks.
oh and..... HOOK'EM HORNS! ( I don't even like the aggies! )
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
The Aggies have been using it since 1922, when they had a student come out of the stands to help their injury depleated team
And that student is still one of the 12 best players in A&M history...
ba-dum-bum.
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Seattle's porked...
They've made monetary offers to use the slogan, as well as having acknowledged that A&M has a trademark on it.
GIG EM....lmao!
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
the reason they waited till now to do anything about the Seahawks using the 12th man thing, is because before the game last Sunday, no one outside of Seattle knew the seahawks were using it! the first thing I thought when I saw that flag raised was, " what the hell are they doing, stealing that slogan from A&M?!?!?!" there's gonna be some pissed off aggies!
The Aggies have been using it since 1922, when they had a student come out of the stands to help their injury depleated team... and they've had it trade marked, and copy righted for quite some time.
sorry seahawks.
oh and..... HOOK'EM HORNS! ( I don't even like the aggies! )
Rumor has it that they're going to sue to get "12" removed from a dozen eggs, and try to sue anyone that uses the term "Bon Fire" as well...:huh
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is that the best you could come up with?
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Sounds like it's time for some good Aggie jokes.
I know a beaut...involving two drunk Aggies, three farmer's daughters, and a circus dwarf who was amply compensated by the fates for his deformity...but I can't tell it on here because somebody's child might read it.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
They tried that a few years ago
Its why my dad won't watch Pro Football.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
is that the best you could come up with?
At that moment, yes. However, I might add that if Paul Allen loses the case its apparent that we'll just change it to the "12th person" or 12 fan or something more PC knowing the politics of this part of the country. ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
At that moment, yes. However, I might add that if Paul Allen loses the case its apparent that we'll just change it to the "12th person" or 12 fan or something more PC knowing the politics of this part of the country. ;)
12th Sasquatch?
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Heh according the Bryan-College Station bEagle A&M used the "12th Man" slogan for decades (duh), but they made it official in 1990 when they received a licensing trademark which the Sehawks never did.
Wonder what other parts are being left out of the real deal.
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When in Buffalo, you can go visit the 12th Man Walk of Fame:
http://www.buffalobills.com/community/12ManWalkofFame.jsp
When in Detroit, you can visit the 12th Man photo gallery:
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=46932
When in Chicago, you can see the 12th Man honorary captain, as chosen by the 12th Man Contest, take the field for the coin flip:
http://www.chicagobears.com/gameday/entertainment.jsp
When in DC, you can watch the Redskins' version of the 12th Man:
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=4572
When in Carolina, you can listen to John Fox thank the 12th man:
http://www.panthers.com/news/newsroomNewsDetail.jsp?id=19779
When in Miami, you can hear Nick Saban encourage the 12th Man:
http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=4090
Looks like the A&M lawyers will be busy!
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It's only talking about the 12th Man in reference to fans...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
When in Buffalo, you can go visit the 12th Man Walk of Fame:
http://www.buffalobills.com/community/12ManWalkofFame.jsp
When in Detroit, you can visit the 12th Man photo gallery:
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=46932
When in Chicago, you can see the 12th Man honorary captain, as chosen by the 12th Man Contest, take the field for the coin flip:
http://www.chicagobears.com/gameday/entertainment.jsp
When in DC, you can watch the Redskins' version of the 12th Man:
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=4572
When in Carolina, you can listen to John Fox thank the 12th man:
http://www.panthers.com/news/newsroomNewsDetail.jsp?id=19779
When in Miami, you can hear Nick Saban encourage the 12th Man:
http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=4090
Looks like the A&M lawyers will be busy!
So when does Rainier change their name to Coca-Cola? Admit it Ripsy, Allen has screwed the pooch on this one.
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A&M has sent letters to other franchises including Budweiser when the use of the 12th Man slogan is used. They have all pretty much complied so it never became an issue to make news. This Allen dude didnt cooperate.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Seattle's porked...
They've made monetary offers to use the slogan, as well as having acknowledged that A&M has a trademark on it.
GIG EM....lmao!
Not! :p
Paul Allen pulls an end-around in court!
BRYAN, TEXAS - The Seattle Seahawks ran an end-around on Texas A&M, filing notice Thursday to remove from an Aggie hometown court their dispute over the "12th Man" slogan used by the university and the Super Bowl-bound NFL team.
In a three-page "Notice of Removal" filed about two hours before a scheduled hearing in a Brazos County court just a few miles from the A&M campus, the Seahawks transferred the case to federal court in Houston, about 100 miles away.
According to the motion, since Texas A&M is alleging a violation of its federally registered trademark by the Seahawks, a federal court has jurisdiction in the case.
"It brings everything here to a screeching halt unless the federal court decides to remand it," said state District Judge J.D. Langley.
Langley said the maneuver was fairly common for a case involving entities from different regions. There was no immediate comment on the action from Texas A&M.
The university owns the trademark to its generations-old "12th Man" reference for Aggie supporters in the stands and won a temporary court order in Bryan earlier this week to keep the Seahawks, who play Pittsburgh on Sunday in the Super Bowl, from using "12th Man"in their marketing.
The Seahawks have recognized their followers as a "12th Man"since the mid-1980s and even retired the No. 12 jersey in 1984. Now with Seattle in the Super Bowl, their "12th Man" promotion, which previously has aggravated the Aggies, has gained an even higher profile.
Texas A&M has been arguing the NFL team is infringing on the school's legal claim to the slogan, which they say they've used for more than 80 years. The school twice has registered trademarks for the "12th Man" label in 1990 and 1996 that include entertainment services and products like caps, T-shirts, novelty buttons and jewelry.
Seattle's version of a "12th Man" banner, a flag with the No. 12 on it, was flying this week from the team's hotel in suburban Detroit. So was a flag atop Seattle's signature Space Needle and the state Capitol in Olympia. Then there's all the team merchandise and apparel with the "12th Man" logo.
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Heaven forbid someone actually accept responsability for a mistake...
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Wonder how much money A@M stands to win over the copyright infringement suit from the take of merchandise using the slogan?
We could use a 3rd pro team in texas...The College Station Seahawks?
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Seahawks are gonna lose this one... Aggies copyrighted that a long time ago and also came up with the 12th man organization and messing with that is worse than messing with the players mothers... they take that very very seriously down there, there is certain spots on campus that you can't even walk on or you'll have 200 corp men on them... I went to UT but visited A&M quite a bit, they take that crap really serious down there
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heck I don't think you can even say Super Bowl anymore... I believe it is copyrighted too. You have to say the big game or something like that
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I claim sole use of the 12th Woman!
I get to pick her too!
Then she's mine, Mine, all MINE!
muahahahahahah
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seattle should just call it "the extra man"
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http://www.aggieathletics.com/index2.php?SID=MFB&pageID=187
I can only find evidence of ONE.
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He should talk to his buddy Gates & refuse sale or use of any MS products by A&M....that would teach em to grow up & quit being texas babies.
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Heh a Seatle station has a poll going on their website. Not looking to good for the Seahawks.
12th Man usage Poll (http://www.kirotv.com/sports/6592616/detail.html)
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Originally posted by rpm
A&M was winning championships before you guys were born. The Corps has been around for quite a while. Just because you thought up the "12th man" recently does not mean you invented it. Why don't you invent a soda and call it Coca-Cola while your at it?
1 Championship. :rofl :rofl
Karaya
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Wonder how much money A@M stands to win over the copyright infringement suit from the take of merchandise using the slogan?
We could use a 3rd pro team in texas...The College Station Seahawks?
They don't have the copyright. That's what's funny about this. If Paul Allen LITERALLY copyrighted this back then, the Aggies are screwed. Again, the Aggies DO NOT possess THE LITERAL copyright to the "12th Man". Saying it since 1922 is NOT a Copyright.
Karaya
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Excuse me...
A&M has "12th man" as their registered trademark....
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Typed Drawing
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Word Mark 12TH MAN
Goods and Services IC 014. US 028. G & S: jewelry. FIRST USE: 19890000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19890000
IC 041. US 107. G & S: entertainment services, namely organizing and conducting intercollegiate sporting events. FIRST USE: 19220000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19220000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 74560726
Filing Date August 12, 1994
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition October 24, 1995
Registration Number 1948306
Registration Date January 16, 1996
Owner (REGISTRANT) Texas A&M University INSTITUTION OF HIGHER EDUCATION TEXAS College Station TEXAS 778431230
Attorney of Record MOLLY BUCK RICHARD
Prior Registrations 1612053
Type of Mark TRADEMARK. SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Excuse me...
A&M has "12th man" as their registered trademark....
Trademark is different than Copyright. Aggies will not win. These is NO similarity between the two. If the Aggies were smart, they'd hold the Copyright as well.
Karaya
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We've been using it since 1984. What year did the Aggies trademark it? ;)
Grandfather clause.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
We've been using it since 1984. What year did the Aggies trademark it? ;)
Grandfather clause.
It started in 1922 then.