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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: bagrat on January 31, 2006, 01:21:48 AM
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ne1 else ever do this?
check this out, I was fightin in a hurri 2C and after a while looked down an saw I only had 8 BULLETS remaining. A short while later a zero shows up ( i have 5 vics already but feel i can get 1 more with these 8 rounds).
Zero decides to go head-on wit me, i am picky about my shot and tap the trigger. I see a single sprite in the center of zero's nose and break to keep from further allowing him to shoot at me, i look back and he explodes. ( YOU SHOT DOWN PWND A6M).......looked down an saw i had 7 BULLETS LEFT!
yup I am good hehe
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might be lucky hit.
might also be that he collided with you, i found the collision messages dont always come and its quite possible in a ho pass
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the idea of colliding with the guy never crossed my mind, i am pretty sure i broke before we would collide though.
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Originally posted by bagrat
the idea of colliding with the guy never crossed my mind, i am pretty sure i broke before we would collide though.
On your FE... but maybe not on his :).
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hitting with one round is very possible. in 30mm loaded planes i only ever lob one shell at a time.
infact last month i looked at my tempest's ammo counter and saw 2 rounds in one, and 1 in another. went for one more pass on a 109E, waited till 20 yrds on a crossing shot right into his canopy, squeezed the rounds off with not even a sound of guins firing or a tracer, and he went boom.
i dont doubt your story at all bagrat, you're a fine pilot and have shot me down with seemingly imposible chances in the past. I doubt it was a collision knowing bagrat.
even with one round, you're still a HO dweeb for taking the shot :D
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man, those a6ms have no armour. you hit em anywhere in the fuselage and they burn or blow. i remember flying about in a spit 1 for jokes a few months back, got long distance pings on a zero, and the thing blew up straight away, after only a few pings, everywhere on the fuselage. if you dont want to die, you dont fly a zero lol
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The A6M pilot was an idiot to HO you. He should have just out amnuvered and killed you, something the A5M is well capable of doing to a Hurri.
And you got somewhat lucky at least. I remember ending up in an HO with an F4U-1C while flying the A6M5b. Hit hit mew with two or three rounds and I hit him with a like number. I got an oil leak, he lost his engine.
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clear illustration of why the modelling is so messed up and in favor of all things allied.
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Originally posted by storch
clear illustration of why the modelling is so messed up and in favor of all things allied.
its not messed up. he put a hispano cannon round in him, far more powerful than german guns historically, into a weak part of a plane with no armour. nothing to do with over modelling, it was about luck. in real life, 20mm's did FAR more damage than they do in here. you saw the p38 cannon test right?? that was an old gun, and wouldn't be firing at proper power, yet it tore a steel cylinder to shreds. just imaging that hitting very thin aluminium skin, and going into one of the very vulnerable jap fuel tanks. its not over modelled at all
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You get the pilot or did it blow up?
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Originally posted by parin
You get the pilot or did it blow up?
The only thing that causes a plane to explode in AH is when the pilot dies. He got the pilot.
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Originally posted by storch
clear illustration of why the modelling is so messed up and in favor of all things allied.
:noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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Originally posted by storch
clear illustration of why the modelling is so messed up and in favor of all things allied.
Bah, I'd say the LW planes are fine. Its the pilots that suffer from lack of oxigen from flying 30K above everyone else and the panishing G forces from diving in at 500mph that causes the problems.
In some cases, the effects to the virtual pilots, are permanent :D
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i remember killing Bug's P-38 with the single hispano round i had remaining in a tempest as he was capping the base i was rtbing to, possibly the luckiest shot i have had in AH, i let him break right to get a bigger target, fired and the cannon round flew straight into the canopy.
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sounds like a nice cockpit shot to me :)
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Originally posted by storch
clear illustration of why the modelling is so messed up and in favor of all things allied.
Conspiracy Troll Alert !!!!
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The only thing that causes a plane to explode in AH is when the pilot dies. He got the pilot.
If you kill the pilot the icon disapears and the plane flys in to the ground. Correct?
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Originally posted by parin
If you kill the pilot the icon disapears and the plane flys in to the ground. Correct?
I believe that the plane explodes at that point, you're thinking of a bailout if I'm correct.
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Wonton has it correct.
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usually I have to light those rice paper and bamboo crates up with cannon for a few secs and then the dang thing flies around on fire for a few minutes.
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Weird thing I've seen is putting a bunch of hits into a guy, watch him fly off, and blows up a second or two later. No fire, no other apparent damage. Net lag? Pilot wounded and taking a second or two to die (I had that happen once, where I died before I could land)?
I'm frequently a victim of the pingless insta-death. Then again, I've done it once or twice, two (had a Tiffie in a vertical looping fight where we kept going front-quarter, and I snapped off a half-second shot, thought I missed, and when I pulled up and looked back to track his position saw his plane flying apart).
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Originally posted by Karnak
The A6M pilot was an idiot to HO you. He should have just out amnuvered and killed you, something the A5M is well capable of doing to a Hurri.
Karnak, IMHO the Hurri is the closest to a match to the Zeke in AH you can get( talking fighters). Depending on who the Zeke driver was, bagrat in the Hurri is a hard nut to crack.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Weird thing I've seen is putting a bunch of hits into a guy, watch him fly off, and blows up a second or two later. No fire, no other apparent damage. Net lag? Pilot wounded and taking a second or two to die (I had that happen once, where I died before I could land)?
I'm frequently a victim of the pingless insta-death. Then again, I've done it once or twice, two (had a Tiffie in a vertical looping fight where we kept going front-quarter, and I snapped off a half-second shot, thought I missed, and when I pulled up and looked back to track his position saw his plane flying apart).
i put this down to lag.
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"he put a hispano cannon round in him, far more powerful than german guns historically"
Heh heh. Yeah, sure. Source: BillyBoBs WW2 planes book? :p
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Karnak, IMHO the Hurri is the closest to a match to the Zeke in AH you can get( talking fighters). Depending on who the Zeke driver was, bagrat in the Hurri is a hard nut to crack.
I know it is, but the A6M5b holds too many of the cards over the Hurri II. Just bleed the Hurri's E out and kill it. Just be careful not to get smacked by the quad Hispanos.
I actually fear a Hurri I more than a Hurri II when in the A6M5.
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Equally skilled pilots in those planes ... the Zeke pwns the Hurr.
Once the Zeke gets it flaps out, nothing can turn and/or stall with it ('cept another Zeke).
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as long as there's no HO's I'm almost certain the zeke will win
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Oh yeah, Ho's are the great equalizer. We don't need acm anymore. Just bigger guns. We should all HO.
If your opponent tries to HO you and you shoot him right in the spinner, You have just Ho'd your opponent.
Why are Ho's always the other guys fault? Just call a spade a spade.
Ho or Ho not. There is no in between.
RTR
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Originally posted by Karnak
I know it is, but the A6M5b holds too many of the cards over the Hurri II. Just bleed the Hurri's E out and kill it. Just be careful not to get smacked by the quad Hispanos.
I actually fear a Hurri I more than a Hurri II when in the A6M5.
Yeah, HMk1 a lot more nimble then the HMk2C. And those 303s can hurt very much at close range.
But any a6m has a definite engine power advantage over the HMk1. Just try to rope the Hurr into an inverted position.
Ive never flown the Zeke much (just fought it a lot). Is it lighter/has stronger engine then the HMk2C?
Slapshot, im not so sure about the turn. IIRC, sustained the Zeke only has a 1 sec adv over the HMk1. And the Hurr hangs on its prop well, just dont get inverted.
PS: Equal pilots, the a6m5 is managable for a hurr1, the a6m2 almost impossible to get (same turn, better guns and better eng).
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Originally posted by Pooface
its not messed up. he put a hispano cannon round in him, far more powerful than german guns historically, into a weak part of a plane with no armour. nothing to do with over modelling, it was about luck. in real life, 20mm's did FAR more damage than they do in here. you saw the p38 cannon test right?? that was an old gun, and wouldn't be firing at proper power, yet it tore a steel cylinder to shreds. just imaging that hitting very thin aluminium skin, and going into one of the very vulnerable jap fuel tanks. its not over modelled at all
Cannon rounds frequently jammed in WWII, I'd love to see this brought to AH2. Would force people to be creative, limit the "spray n pray". But it won't.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Yeah, HMk1 a lot more nimble then the HMk2C. And those 303s can hurt very much at close range.
But any a6m has a definite engine power advantage over the HMk1. Just try to rope the Hurr into an inverted position.
Ive never flown the Zeke much (just fought it a lot). Is it lighter/has stronger engine then the HMk2C?
Slapshot, im not so sure about the turn. IIRC, sustained the Zeke only has a 1 sec adv over the HMk1. And the Hurr hangs on its prop well, just dont get inverted.
PS: Equal pilots, the a6m5 is managable for a hurr1, the a6m2 almost impossible to get (same turn, better guns and better eng).
You WANT to dive, climb inverted, the carb doesn't stall. Zeke should win with no HO's. The Zeke is VERY capable of besting the Hurricane often, depends on the tactics used.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Cannon rounds frequently jammed in WWII, I'd love to see this brought to AH2. Would force people to be creative, limit the "spray n pray". But it won't.
Depends on your definition of "frequently" I guess.
The Hispano Mk II was fairly prone to jamming. According to the Brits it jammed about once for every 2000 rounds fired. That is about one jam every eight Spitfire flights. Other cannon were more reliable.
I don't think having the cannon jam would result in what you want.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Depends on your definition of "frequently" I guess.
The Hispano Mk II was fairly prone to jamming. According to the Brits it jammed about once for every 2000 rounds fired. That is about one jam every eight Spitfire flights. Other cannon were more reliable.
I don't think having the cannon jam would result in what you want.
I know it won't. It has become HO's High. I've read many accounts of "Cannon equipped craft" shooting down enemy craft with MG's as opposed Cannon they THOUGHT they were firing.
Also, "about once every 2000 rounds" can be construed a hundred different ways.
Masher
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Usually I try to avoid ho's, my reason for goin into it with the A6m was that a zero is my worst nightmare while in a hurri (a6m is faster and out turns with ease) However i wanted to land my kills an knew if I didnt take this opportunity to attack I would for sure be on the defensive end the remainder of the fight, also I was somewhat confident in the hurris ability to take a beatin.
For the idea of gun jams I dunno that would be somewhat be based on the roll of the dice, but guns overheating would have the same effect and only occur to those who spray for long periods of time.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You WANT to dive, climb inverted, the carb doesn't stall. Zeke should win with no HO's. The Zeke is VERY capable of besting the Hurricane often, depends on the tactics used.
Karaya
Actually for a shallow dive I bank a few degrees and go into a kind of descending turn, keeping my Gs positive with rudder input. Yes i know that bleeds a bit of E, but its still better than trying to dive with eng off ;).
Rolling completely over for diving only makes sense for really steep dives.
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i need a good fight right now, schatzi you fancy going to DA?
I will fly the zekes and you fly the hurricanes, then we will swap to force a control for the experiment.
we can post our results. I'm pretty sure there is not much seperating us in pilot skills.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Also, "about once every 2000 rounds" can be construed a hundred different ways.
It can?
That seems like a rather false position taken simply to back up your bias against cannons.
If, as you insinuate, cannons were junk with a high jam rate often leading fighter pilots to shot down their targets with the MG secondary armament don't you think that Germany, Japan, Italy, Russia, France, the United Kingdom and the United States Navy would have kept going with MGs? Just maybe?
As to how that statement can be interpeted 100 different ways I can't see. It is as clear in its meaning as an english phrase can be.
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Maybe it's the first round in that series of 2000 that jams.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Maybe it's the first round in that series of 2000 that jams.
Of course. That is what it means.
Essentially it says that each round fired has roughly a 0.05% chance of jamming.
You could, in theory, have fifty rounds jam in a row. Of course you could also win the lottery, get hit by a falling piece of a 747 and get struck by lightning all at the same time too.