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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Kazaa on February 02, 2006, 12:56:56 PM
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Hello again guys, how is everyone getting along.
Is anyone else missing the 2 tone Blue & Green Spitfire skin that was on the old Spitfire XI?
Geen & Blue 2 Tone (http://www.glue-it.com/aircraft/general-information/library/s-spitfire16-011.jpg)
Also I was looking on Google & found this chromed out XVI, looks great but I think the chrome is more suited to the P51D. Its kinda strange to see A Spitfire without any camo.
On the same note, I was watching Discovery A few days ago & saw this P51D that was so polished it was insane, you could see the clouds perfectly mirrored.
Chrome Spitfire XVI (http://www.jetfighters.dk/4images/data/media/45/Pict0203.JPG)
Another (http://f19.aaa.livedoor.jp/~youchu/plastic_model/spitfire-Mk16-r.jpg)
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Even better picture, am I getting good at this link stuff or what (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0866125&WxsIERv=Fhcreznevar%20379%20Fcvgsver%20S14R&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq%20%28Uvfgbevp%20Sylvat%20Ygq.%29&QtODMg=Qhksbeq%20%28RTFH%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Znl%208%2C%202005&BP=1&WNEb25u=Wbua%20Zlref&xsIERvdWdsY=T-OFXC&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=528&NEb25uZWxs=2005-06-24%2019%3A11%3A33&ODJ9dvCE=EA201&O89Dcjdg=6F%2F663417&static=yes&width=1024&height=767&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27Fhcreznevar%20Fcvgsver%27%29%20%20beqre%20ol%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=302&prev_id=0866398&next_id=0866124)
P.S this one is A XIV.
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First XVI pic you posted is standard camo.
Second, Silver painted one is actually a scheme that was worn on a post war Spitfire 21 of 41 Squadron. Definately not a wartime bird. Same for the XIV you posted. They did the same paint scheme on that one too.
There are photos of silver Spit IXs however from wartime.
Here's a silver Spit IX from the MTO, 601 Squadron.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1138907212_cliped9.jpg)
And I kind of like this MTO 73 Squadron Spit IX with the 73 Squadron arrow down the side.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1138907228_73spitix.jpg)
Definately not the same old same old
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Yeah your right, I like the standerd camo best.
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Kev has already done 2 skins for the XVI, are they standerd camo colour, they look A lot lighter, greyish even.
on second look, they do look like the standerd camo colour, but I cannot be certian.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Kev has already done 2 skins for the XVI, are they standerd camo colour, they look A lot lighter, greyish even.
on second look, they do look like the standerd camo colour, but I cannot be certian.
Both of the XVIs Kev did were based on info and requests he was kind enough to do for me.
Both are standard RAF day camo. One is 602 Squadron and the other is 403 RCAF.
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What about foreign spits? Surely other nations used different colors??
What about greece, or, say, turkey, or france, or any of the baltic states, or china, or any non-RAF user of the spits? I know I've seen a couple of odd-colored ones (all dar green, for example) but I have no memory about the details.
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This was more or less the colour scheme that I was thinking off, I think you can agree that they wen't A bit to crazy with the blueish green, the one that I remember was A little lighter.
Yes & I know its not A Spit XVIe, before you all comment on it lol
Colour Scheme (http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/spitfire/mkxvi_spit.jpg)
What do you think Krusty & Guppy ?
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Found an all metal V used by the RAAF 85 sqn in 43/44 that I'm working on.
Code is SH-N ser no. A58-7.
Suffered landing accident Jan 44 and was stripped for spares.
Even got a pic :) (furthest one) .
(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/raafv.jpg)
Current thinking is the from the fuse/tail join rearwards it is white (not sure about stabs), with an RAAF Foliage Green rudder.
Will be a while before a preview is available though
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Dan - Thought I'd seen the 'arrow' one somewhere.
(http://www.eaglestrikeproductions.com/aeromaster/jpg48/ad48123a.jpg)
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Originally posted by Kazaa
This was more or less the colour scheme that I was thinking off, I think you can agree that they wen't A bit to crazy with the blueish green, the one that I remember was A little lighter.
Yes & I know its not A Spit XVIe, before you all comment on it lol
Colour Scheme (http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/spitfire/mkxvi_spit.jpg)
What do you think Krusty & Guppy ?
It's still meant to be standard RAF Day camo :)
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Ok, thanks Guppy.
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Kev, any chance of getting A colour scheme similar to this one in the furture, for the new Spitfires (VIII, XVI), it was the defult colour for the XI before all the Spitfires where remodeled along with the 109s.
Colour Scheme (http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/spitfire/mkxvi_spit.jpg)
What do you think ?
P.S if you have any pictures of A plane with this colour scheme, I would love to see them
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Kev, any chance of getting A colour scheme similar to this one in the furture, for the new Spitfires (VIII, XVI), it was the defult colour for the XI before all the Spitfires where remodeled along with the 109s.
Colour Scheme (http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/spitfire/mkxvi_spit.jpg)
What do you think ?
P.S if you have any pictures of A plane with this colour scheme, I would love to see them
Part of the problem is you are looking at restored warbirds not the wartime planes that came from the factories having been painted in the same camo colors as specificed by the air ministry etc.
Warbird owners are getting better on their research but some still leave a lot to be desired on accuracy. The Spit you show has a gloss paint scheme where they've not really matched it to the wartime colors.
If you look close at the image you'll note the 4 cannon barrel shrouds on that E wing Spit XVI. That didn't happen either :)
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I just like the paint scheme Guppy, I don't have the knowledge to get into the detials, that why I post them in the forums & you guys are kind enouth to help me out.
Thats why I said similar lol.
Anyway thanks for the help & if you have any good pictures similar to that one I would be greatful.
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Default schemes -
RAF Europe
Battle of France - Dark Green/Dark Earth uppers, white/black lowers
Battle of Britain - Dark Green/Dark Earth uppers, Sky lowers
Mid 1941 onwards - Dark Green/Ocean Grey uppers, Medium Sea Grey lowers.
1944 - As 1941 but with invasion stripes, gradually being removed in stages after D-Day.
RAF SEAC
Early - Dark Green/Dark Earth uppers, Medium Sea Grey lowers
Late - As RAF 1941 onwards
Both having recognition white bands on the wings, stabs and tail. If natural metal finish bands were either RAF Dark Blue or Black.
RAF Mediterranean
Dark Earth/Mid Stone uppers, Azure Blue lowers.
Of course there were individual aircraft or sometimes squadrons that "did their own thing.
1) 249 sqn in Malta are now by the latest thinking perhaps used Dark Earth/Extra Dark Sea Grey uppers.
2) The blue Malta Spits
3) 16sqns 'Pink' FR IX's
4) Some Czech sqn planes in the Desert Camo 'may' have used Meditteranean blue instead of Azure blue.
etc etc
Its the unusual ones we are trying to find.
Unfortuneately the RAF really frowned on 'individuality', it being limited to sqn CO's and above being allowed to use their initials instead of the sqn code. Hence D*B - Douglas Bader, RS*T - Stamford Tuck etc.
Suppose the greatest chance of unusual schemes would be found far from the reach of RAF Fighter Command in the UK.
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Dan -
Be interested in your thoughts on the 73 sqn IX.
Obviously the fuselage roundel yellow outline has been over painted with RAF Blue.
What color do you reckon the arrow is?
Not RAF Blue, but close to black (spinner color).
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Thanks for posting the information Kev!
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Dan -
Be interested in your thoughts on the 73 sqn IX.
Obviously the fuselage roundel yellow outline has been over painted with RAF Blue.
What color do you reckon the arrow is?
Not RAF Blue, but close to black (spinner color).
What I found says that originally the arrow was Yellow and Blue on the Hurricanes, but the center part of the arrow was repainted blue with the thin yellow lines to seperate it from the outer parts.
This was carried over to the Spits.
Problem is the center cention looks lighter to me, so if the outer sections are the same as the roundel blue, then the center section is a lighter blue of some kind.
Another image of a combat 73 Squadron Spit with the
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1138999205_73spit.jpg)
Image of a 73 Hurricane after they got rid of the yellow. The center part still looks lighter, much the same as the Spit.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1138999644_73hurri2.jpg)
Profile of the earlier version of the 73 arrow on a Hurricane
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1138999661_73hurri.jpg)
Gonna keep looking
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Go here Kev:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/h73.html
Note the flash on the Vampire. I think that's it. With the thin yellow lines between the blues.
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/h_images/73sqnvampfb5.gif)
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Only problem Dan -
The 1st pic - The arrow is MUCH darker than the roundel blue. The roundel blue appears to be the same as used on tail flash.
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Those were around on Gladiators, as well. I think if you overpainted yellow with blue, you're going to get a different shade, simply because you're covering yellow. It's like painting over white, you know?
I'd try a layer of roundel blue and then drop it to 80% and put some yellow under it, see how it looks. Maybe 90% instead of 80%.
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Quick test, yes I know its on an VIII, only one I have with grey/green at the moment.
So I guess something like this. for the arrow blues I used SEAC roundel ones.
(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/arrow.jpg)
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Only problem Dan -
The 1st pic - The arrow is MUCH darker than the roundel blue. The roundel blue appears to be the same as used on tail flash.
The more I look at it, the more I wonder if that photo was taken with the Ortho film that made the yellow look dark, etc.
You can see where there is a smaller band around the fuselage roundel. And I wonder about the color of the nose. Wondering if it should be the MTO red that was standard on fighters for the most part.
The red on the fuselage roundal dot looks very dark compared to what it should be too.
I like the look of what you tested on the VIII though
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FWIW, there were also some bare-metal Seafires late in the war. In the Far East, they had black ID bands on the wings and tail instead of the normal white on the camo planes.