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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: richard_rd on February 03, 2006, 09:36:27 AM
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I have been playing this game for two years now but for the past 4 months the inbalance in the sides has made it very frustrating. Yes i am a Knight, as if from my post topic you could not tell!!!
For more then 16 hours of the day the knights are heavely out numbered, most of the time by ratios like the following and alot of times alot worse:
Knights 40 players
Rooks 60 players
Bishops 60 players
And to make it worse the way the gameplay evolves it only makes sense that the Rooks and bish would concentrate on the weaker numbers of the Knights so it makes the pblm alot worse.
If the ENY would kick in alot sooner and alot harder then this would act as a motivational tool to try and keep the sides even because the people on the sides with the high numbers would get tired of flying the crappy planes.
The other morning about two weeks ago for a period of 4 hours the ratio's were as follows:
Knights 13 players
Rooks 38 players
Bish 32 players
Oh yeah that was alot of fun!!!!!!
Scuzzy and HiTech please consider putting something into the game to motivate people to balance the sides. I know if the situation does not change soon I will be giving up the game.
PS: And no i will not take the easy answer and just switch sides to the rook or bish because i would not do that to my Loyal knight team mates.
And on that note all you knights (and you know who you are) who switch to the rooks and bish when we are heavely outnumbered because you want to keep your Ranks high; I which a wild bore with rabies tracks you down and eats your heart out you scumb bag traders!!!!
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Originally posted by richard_rd
PS: And know i will not take the easy answer and just switch sides to the rook or bish because i would not do that to my Loyal knight team mates.
This must be a troll, because you just answered your own request with an explanation for why the numbers rarely change.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Until one of the chess pieces offers health care plans, I wouldn't worry too much about 'loyalty'.
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You ask for this ...
Scuzzy and HiTech please consider putting something into the game to motivate people to balance the sides.
Yet you say this ...
And know i will not take the easy answer and just switch sides to the rook or bish because i would not do that to my Loyal knight team mates.
So ... if and when the roles are reversed (Knights are on the side that outnumbers another country) ... are you motivated to switch and balance the sides or does your "loyalty" prevent you from doing that ?
If you DON'T switch sides when the Knights outnumber the other countries (and it does happen), then how can you come on here and piss and moan to HTC to force a balance ... when you will not switch because of your "loyalty", but it's OK for others.
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No, I did not post this to start a troll thread. If HiTech would make the ENY kick in sooner and more severely i truely believe the side inbalance problem would go away quickly. Even though there are probably 80% of the players on each team that are loyal to there sides, there is also 20% of the players that don't really care about teams and it would be these 20% that would make the sides balance out if the ENY system kicked in sooner and harder!!!
By the way my in game ID is rich1960 if you were curious, I am not the best player around but i struggle to keep my monthly ranking in the top 10-15%.
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zOMG this has to be a troll.
So you want ENY to kick in so that people will switch to your team when you refuse to ever switch to theirs? Let me ask you something: If you are being a token patriotic knight when the knights have numbers and the ENY is crippling you, would you switch teams? From this it doesn't sound like it.
If you do, I'd be watching out for boars with rabies, I hear they are bad this time of year.
:lol
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Ahhh ... it becomes clearer now ... this imbalance problem is wreaking havoc on your rank then ... BUWHAHAHAHAHA.
ENY was tweaked for quite some time and for all itents and purposes ... it is working just fine. Your whine is the first in a long time and now we all know why your whining ... rank ... you won't get much sympathy here I don't think.
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let me take this a bit further:
YOU as a patriotic and honorable Knight wants all the dishonorable illoyal elements of other countries to rally under your flag in times of crisis??? :confused: :lol
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I just mentioned my rank so you would know i was not a newbie complaiining. If i cared about rank i would not up from my enemy capped base only to get voulched on the runway 10 times in a row trying to save the base.
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Like i already said, there are 20% of players on each side that have no loyalty, it is these 20% that would balance the sides!!!!!
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Hmmmmm, would not the people that change countries due to the ENY also be traders?
Any of them trade at the CBOT by any chance? I may know them and could have a talk with them about your request.
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Yes people who switch sides from the weaker numbered side just to keep their rank high are traders!!!
People who switch from the sides with the stronger numbers to be able to pilot the better planes are just smart!!!! If you take the game as a serious Team game and have loalty I would not expect you to switch sides. But there are at least 20% on each side that don't care about Team Tatics, these are the guys that just want to furball and not capture bases. It is those players that would balance the sides out!!!!
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The idea being that with perfectly balanced sides the "war" would "stalemate" and no one would "win the war"?
That is TOO funny, considering all the emphasis on "winning the war".
"LET'S DEVISE AN ARTIFICIAL MECHANISM TO STALEMATE THE GAMEPLAY!"
:rofl
Back to the 'ball for me, thanks.
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Originally posted by richard_rd
Yes people who switch sides from the weaker numbered side just to keep their rank high are traders!!!
People who switch from the sides with the stronger numbers to be able to pilot the better planes are just smart!!!! If you take the game as a serious Team game and have loalty I would not expect you to switch sides. But there are at least 20% on each side that don't care about Team Tatics, these are the guys that just want to furball and not capture bases. It is those players that would balance the sides out!!!!
I think you missed all the threads about how furballers dont help. :rofl
So, in other words, you want others to change but you would not because you are teh loyal?
Heading down tot he floor now to talk to your traders (and look for the trolls). I'll let you know what they said :D
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I hate to tell ya this Richard,but you won't get any sympathy here.
As a fellow Knight I hear what your saying.
I simply up at a base 1 sector back and climb to 20k so I can shoot down the buffs :aok
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Originally posted by richard_rd
I just mentioned my rank so you would know i was not a newbie complaiining. If i cared about rank i would not up from my enemy capped base only to get voulched on the runway 10 times in a row trying to save the base.
Thats just STUPID ! Only noobs up ten times from capped fields.....:lol
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this discussion is pretty lame lol. but, rich has a point that the numbers are very unfair most of the time. perhaps a few, cooperative squad could switch sides??
maybe a bishop and a rook squad, with decent numbers switch to knights, maybe it would be a little more even, just a thought
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It just happens richard deal with it.
I remember when everybody and thier brother was a knight and none of them would switch.It seems every country takes thier turn in the (lower numbers get jumped role).Just think of it as more targets for your La-7.
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ENY hasn't changed a thing towards balancing sides and it NEVER will. Every country has times when it has mass numbers. Usually Sunday nite for about 3 hours Rooks has a ton of players on. Then on Mondays Bish have their huge numbers for a few hours.
I would change sides at times to help out the weaker side, but usually about an hour or two later the sides seem to balance on there own or the country I moved to has the numbers. So if I switch I am stuck there for 12 hours or what ever the time is before being able to change.
I believe if the time to change countries was only a hour or so, more would do it. Bottom line though is that the ENY has done nothing to balance the sides. (IMO) It mostly just makes those on the underdog side log off earlier than they would probably want to. Just my opinion on this matter.
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Originally posted by richard_rd
Yes people who switch sides from the weaker numbered side just to keep their rank high are traders!!!
People who switch from the sides with the stronger numbers to be able to pilot the better planes are just smart!!!! If you take the game as a serious Team game and have loalty I would not expect you to switch sides. But there are at least 20% on each side that don't care about Team Tatics, these are the guys that just want to furball and not capture bases. It is those players that would balance the sides out!!!!
I would love to know where you are getting these numbers to base your percentages on ... beside out of your arse.
So you want the furballers to switch sides ... and do what ?
They don't participate in the "land grab" so what benefit would they play.
If I was a rook fuballing between a knight base, and I switch to knights and now furball between the rook base that I was just at ... what did that accomplish ? ... ummmm .... nothing.
You don't care about rank ? ... yet you struggle to stay in the top %10-15 ... sure ... I believe ya don't care about rank ... :lol
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Originally posted by Toad
The idea being that with perfectly balanced sides the "war" would "stalemate" and no one would "win the war"?
That is TOO funny, considering all the emphasis on "winning the war".
Toad: there is a vast difference between balanced teams and balanced numbers.
You can try to use the ENY kick in sooner method all you want. The "Side Balancing" Via the ENY sanction hasn’t worked...nor will it ever work. It’s just not in the nature of most players to switch to the losing side. Cept for the few that switch to get cheaper perk rides for the fun of it, the "Side Balancing" eny thingy has panned out to be worthless as far as balancing sides.. We still have nights when one country outnumbers the others by 20 to even 40 players sometimes.
edit:...lol..i must have been replying the same time as HT.
HT...i fully understand what you are saying. I think it means a little more to those that are out there in the trenches than it does to an admin. But i agree it has helped some. But those 2 or 4 hours when one country outnumbers the other 2 by 30 to 40 even 50 players when the reset hoard is on the roll...It feels like its not working.
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SFCHONDO: I strongly disagree. The ENY has had a drastic impact on side balance. Before the ENY we could have periods of more than 3 months when one side could have 1/2 the number of each ot the other 2 countries.
I havn't seen a large imbalance for longer than a week or 2 since the ENY was implemented.
You can even look at this current post 60 60 40, is not a huge imbalance as compared to life pre ENY.
So if you ask the question does ENY perfectly balance the arena, the answere is no, (because it wasn't ment to be a perfect balance). But it has drasticly limited the peeks and valies as it was designed to do so.
HiTech
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Bad News :(
Non of the traders I talk to knows anything about AH. Will be checking other exchanges shortly.
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Originally posted by richard_rd
I just mentioned my rank so you would know i was not a newbie complaiining. If i cared about rank i would not up from my enemy capped base only to get voulched on the runway 10 times in a row trying to save the base.
9/10 of the rank weenies are newbies. The fact that you don't know this solidifies your position as a newbie.
P.S. WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :cry
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Originally posted by hitech
SFCHONDO: I strongly disagree. The ENY has had a drastic impact on side balance. Before the ENY we could have periods of more than 3 months when one side could have 1/2 the number of each ot the other 2 countries.
I havn't seen a large imbalance for longer than a week or 2 since the ENY was implemented.
You can even look at this current post 60 60 40, is not a huge imbalance as compared to life pre ENY.
So if you ask the question does ENY perfectly balance the arena, the answere is no, (because it wasn't ment to be a perfect balance). But it has drasticly limited the peeks and valies as it was designed to do so.
HiTech
Well seeing as those with the low ENY value get a choice of more planes than those who have a high ENY how bout those with the high ENY pay less per month ? kinda a prorate plan seeing as we are paying the same amount for fewer planes.
LOL I know this sounds silly but so is ENY just one mans opnion.
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Well seeing as those with the low ENY value get a choice of more planes than those who have a high ENY
Ok so your outnumbered cuz no one will switch teams (cuz of loyalty over a make believe country),now would you rather have nothing but 190-D's 109-K's and La-7's and Hurricane MkII-C's or would you rather have them coming at you in planes that are normally hard for most too fly and because of weak guns are way harder to down a plane?
Anyone who disagree's with the ENY has to be a newbie IMHO.
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First, the best part of this thread was:
I which a wild bore with rabies tracks you down and eats your heart out you scumb bag traders!!!!
Sometimes, I which a wild bore with rabies would eat the heart of scum bag traders too! Although, I don't really know any scum bag traders...but if I did, I am sure I would which a wild bore with rabies would eat their heart out!
But, more specifically to your request:
NO
:aok
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Blammo you are wrong!
the best part of this thread is dedalos, he is freekin' killing me :rofl
still waiting for the report from the exchange :rofl
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Ok so your outnumbered cuz no one will switch teams (cuz of loyalty over a make believe country),now would you rather have nothing but 190-D's 109-K's and La-7's and Hurricane MkII-C's or would you rather have them coming at you in planes that are normally hard for most too fly and because of weak guns are way harder to down a plane?
Anyone who disagree's with the ENY has to be a newbie IMHO.
:rofl Out of all these planes you mentioned, the only one to worry about is the Hurr II-C and the ENY does not effect it very often.
Unless you are a newbie :lol
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HT,
I strongly disagree, if you have a way to do hourly snapshots of the team strengths i would like you to post the numbers for the past 4 months. Currently it is:
Bish 96 players
Knights 70 players
Rooks 110 Players
I play almost every day or every other day for 2-6 hours at a time at all differant times, and the above numbers are usually how the knights are out numbered, and alot of times it is much worse. I can only remember a handful of times in the past 4 months that Knights have had the numbers advantage, i am lucky if 1 out of 10 times when i log in if the numbers ratios are not like above or worse for the Knights!!!
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Originally posted by traps
Blammo you are wrong!
the best part of this thread is dedalos, he is freekin' killing me :rofl
still waiting for the report from the exchange :rofl
:D
Latest update: CME traders also know nothing about it. However, both the CBOT and the CME are in hightend awareness and security has been doubled.
Apparently, everyone on the trading floors turned out to be a TRADER!!!!!!!1z
More as it becomes available.
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Currently:
Bish 106 Players
Knights 72 Players
Rooks 110 Players
and the eny has barely started to kick in with the rooks having a 3.2 ENY which is really worthless untill it becomes 5 or higher. Maybe instead of starting ENY at 0.1 you can start it at 5.0 for the same ratio that causes a 0.1 ENY
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maybe HTC has a file log? ;)
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Rich, wasn't all that long ago it seemed Bish were always outnumbered like you say. It was soooo common, in fact, that I am still :O shocked :O when I go into the MA and bish have numbers.
AND -- seemed like every reset was won by Knights.
So, over time, it all evens out. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.
(Anyway, we all know you are just trying to lure the JBs back . . . )
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OK Ritch, here is what has killed your spitfires in this toure so far. I don't think the ENY would have helped you.
Hurricane Mk IIC 10 0
Ostwind 6 4
La-7 5 1
Typhoon IB 5 1
Spitfire Mk XVI 4 19
Ship Gunner 4 0
Panzer IV H 3 3
Yak-9U 3 0
Il-2 2 0
C.205 2 0
F6F-5 2 0
Bf 109K-4 2 0
Me 163B 2 0
P-38L 1 0
P-51B 1 0
A-20G 1 0
F4U-1C 1 1
N1K2 1 14
Ki-84-Ia 1 0
Bf 109G-14 1 0
P-38J 1 0
Bf 109G-6 1 0
Yak-9T 1 0
Hurricane Mk IID 1 0
F4U-1D 1 0
Fw 190D-9 1 0
Spitfire Mk VIII 1 0
B-17G 1 0
P-47N 1 0
Ki-61 1
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Originally posted by richard_rd
People who switch from the sides with the stronger numbers to be able to pilot the better planes are just smart!!!!
Actually they are Spit16 and La7 dweebs that can't fly anything else.
Originally Posted by SlapShot
If I was a rook fuballing between a knight base, and I switch to knights and now furball between the rook base that I was just at ... what did that accomplish ? ... ummmm .... nothing.
Actually, by switching, you even out the numbers so the low ENY planes are available.....you know, the "better' planes?
I dont really have a country loyalty as much as a squad loyalty. My squad choosed to stick to one country for a number of reasons. I stay with them despite numbers.
My $.02
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Originally posted by dedalos
OK Ritch, here is what has killed your spitfires in this toure so far. I don't think the ENY would have helped you.
Hurricane Mk IIC 10 0
Ostwind 6 4
La-7 5 1
Typhoon IB 5 1
Spitfire Mk XVI 4 19
Ship Gunner 4 0
Panzer IV H 3 3
Yak-9U 3 0
Il-2 2 0
C.205 2 0
F6F-5 2 0
Bf 109K-4 2 0
Me 163B 2 0
P-38L 1 0
P-51B 1 0
A-20G 1 0
F4U-1C 1 1
N1K2 1 14
Ki-84-Ia 1 0
Bf 109G-14 1 0
P-38J 1 0
Bf 109G-6 1 0
Yak-9T 1 0
Hurricane Mk IID 1 0
F4U-1D 1 0
Fw 190D-9 1 0
Spitfire Mk VIII 1 0
B-17G 1 0
P-47N 1 0
Ki-61 1
LOL, I already said i have to strugle to keep a ranking in the top 15%, I know i suck, what's your point!!!
My point is to keep the sides even when you have a 3 sided battle going on, because when one side gets outnumbered, even by as little a 20-30 percent it is more like 35-50% because it is human nature for the two stronger sides to prey on the side with the weaker numbers. HiTech really needs to rethink his approach or I am sure he will be loosing more players from the Knights besides me. I would much prefer to have a two sided main arena, at least then when you are outnumbered by 20-30% it is only 20-30% percent, not 20-30% times 1.5
The way the game works now with the 3 sides is once one of the sides gets weaker in numbers the problem just snowballs because of the reasons above, and players start to defect from the weaker side because they get tired of being outmanned 2-3 on one in every dogfight. Also ENY only kicks in for the ratio's of planes in the air, many times these 20-40% per side are in GV's and the short manned side does not even get the benefit from ENY but still must fend off Ostie/M3 attacks on it's towns!!!
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lol what a gay thread.
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Originally posted by richard_rd
LOL, I already said i have to strugle to keep a ranking in the top 15%, I know i suck, what's your point!!!
The point is that the 'better' (meaning faster) planes are not the ones killing you, and therefore the ENY would not help you.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
lol what a gay thread.
Hub is here?:eek:
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Originally posted by dedalos
The point is that the 'better' (meaning faster) planes are not the ones killing you, and therefore the ENY would not help you.
The point is i don't care if i get killed, I care if my team captures bases and wins the war!
The point is HiTech has the power to keep the sides more even by using the ENY more aggresively!!!
The point is if ENY was used more aggressively the sides would be more equal in number of players, and if the sides did not balance out then at least the side with the lower numbers would have a better chance of compeating in the war because of the weaker plane set of the higher numbered sides.
The point is switch over to the Knights for a week and see how fun this game is anymore, it really sucks now, and yes if the Knights were the team with the constantly stronger numbers I would want and expect the creator of the game to use the powers he has to make the teams more fair!!!!! A stronger and more aggressive ENY would do this, because one of two things would happen
1. The teams would balance out over a short period of time because players from the higher numbered sides would want to fly the ubber non-perked planes.
or,
2. The team with the weaker numbers would have more of a chance because the severe ENY would cripple the other two teams because they would be restricted from using the ubber non=perked planes.
but,
I think result 1 above will win out because people will want to fly all the rides available!!!!!!
or,
3. Make the main areana two sides only!!!!!
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Originally posted by Morpheus
lol what a gay thread.
Hey Morpheus,
I hear you are the pivet man in your squads daily circle jerk so i guess you can reconize gay things when you see them!!! :) :) :)
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Have you seen any of my squadies? Mittens just turned 24, blonde, 5'5'' 115lbs w/dbl C's. Surely hitting that wouldnt be gay.
Using your rank to justify you're thread and validate your worth here, is deffinatly gay.
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what goes around comes around. i have flown for nits before, because they were outnumbered, and had a blast. i got shot down more times last night than i care to think about. i have noticed one thing about knights, is that they seem to like to fight almost exclusively over their own base....which really doesn't help their cause much. some guys actually advocate it over there. "fight over the base, help each other out." bad idea. just my observation, prolly chess piece wide though.
probably hardest for score potatos and hoarders to live with though.
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Originally posted by pluck
what goes around comes around. i have flown for nits before, because they were outnumbered, and had a blast. i got shot down more times last night than i care to think about. i have noticed one thing about knights, is that they seem to like to fight almost exclusively over their own base....which really doesn't help their cause much. some guys actually advocate it over there. "fight over the base, help each other out." bad idea. just my observation, prolly chess piece wide though.
probably hardest for score potatos and hoarders to live with though.
When you are severely outnumbered the only recourse you have is to pork troops and defend bases, And you are correct, it makes for terribly boring game play!!!!
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I LIKE BUNNIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Theres nothing wrong with flying outnumbered to begin with. Many times one country will have lots of numbers but the people are all over the place and not fighting in one place. I have fought in furballs where rooks have been totally outnumbered. It turns out that the enemy will just BnZ you to death as this isnt a suprise as most do this even when not in a furball. May get overwhelmed and lose the base but its still fun as I usually kill many of the enemy before I get killed and usually get picked when slow. Then the cavalry comes in and the enemy gets pushed back and turns into a big furball with the numbers balanced in the fight.
I have fought as knight back in the days and now I am rook but occasionally go to knights if fights are bad on the rooks. I know the feeling of always being outnumbered as numbers were real bad, a lot worse then now, with the rooks on sundays where at times seen almost 300 rooks on against what was a small number of 130 knights. It was bad and the fights were horrible with rooks just swarm in on numbers picking after picking so usually fought bish on those nights.
With the new ENY system numbers are not as bad as they once were. To me its not the numbers of the country, its the numbers in the fight. It makes things a little bit harder when facing more enemy in a big fight but its more fun. You get more targets to shoot down and when its like 1v10 just grab a 262 and the worries are gone. ENY doenst affect some as they dont fly them low ENY planes, like me all I fly is a 38 and the J has a ENY of 35 and the numbers have to be realy one sided for that plane to be disabled.
So you dont get to fly your lgay7 and dweebfire 16, boohoo, just learn to fly a plane that is somewhat challanging and then dont have to worry about ENY. I can see though when the ENY reaches 5 and the lgay7 and dweebfire 16 pilots cant fly their plane more will log off which was one of the complaints about putting the ENY system into place.
However, sides will never be balanced, there have been nights where knights will have large amount of numbers erally outnumbering bish and rooks. Rooks and bish as well have had these nights. Its all depends on the night. Seems like a lot of bish fly on mondays, lot of rooks fly sunday, and seems that most knights fly saturdays. During the week its pretty much scattered on what night has the most people but are usually pretty good numbers wise.
If you are one of those people that are perk hungry, look at it this way, if you need perks best way to get them is by flying when your outnumbered as you earn more.
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Richard,
I have seen the "numbers war" fluctuate widely. There were times when Rooks were getting it handed to them and several CO's started some combined ops.
As to what HITECH stated though, it has seemed as though the days of HUGE gangbangs has been reduced. There are times when each side has superiority and times not.
I don't know what the best solution is....perhaps try recruiting more for your country. Perhaps get the CO's on your side to try some combined operations.
I do not think that the ENY will help tremendously by changing it any further that the way it exists now. My squad is unaffected by it...we stay with our country thick and thin....Plus the ENY effect forces you to try some other planes...some of which I think are WAY better than the others....take for example the
LA5 with the very very cool bright green "lime-sicle" color scheme!!!!
Regards,
Mike:)
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Originally posted by richard_rd
When you are severely outnumbered the only recourse you have is to pork troops and defend bases, And you are correct, it makes for terribly boring game play!!!!
yes, but not trying to move the fight away from a base, and you are really just asking for it. makes for some boring play as 10 people fight for 4 kills, until the hoard arrives, which is unchecked because there is no resistance until they get over the target. defend your base is good, but what is the sense to fight "over" it, attack planes have reached the target, bombs away. furballers are now picking you off over your base, leading to vulching. people trying to reup are vulched, they don't have a chance to get airborn and fight like they would if the fight was away from the field. of course this is my theory:)
also i would say i'm a bit suicidal, when i get outnumbered on the deck, i find it fun to see how long i can survive, maybe i take a few with me, maybe not. so it is also possible that i don't really know what im talking about.
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well I wouldnt want the eny thing too "kick in" any harder because as it is more than half the time Im fightin knights or bish, there all in LA-7 an Nik or 16. (then again everyone does) so fightin these planes and havin to stick to planes of atleast 20eny would kinda suk.
however I do think the time limit to switch from country to country should be kicked up alot. instead of bein able to switch back in a few hours it should be like atleast a week. So now people cant just switch to be on winning side then go back, or for whatever other reasons.
INCREASE THE TIME TO SWITCH FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY, ATLEAST A WEEK.
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Havent read through each post on this so forgive me if I am mirroring something someone alse may have already said.
As many already know I've never been in favor of the ENY thing. I never thought it worked or could work in the manner needed.
I always have said "A horde is a horde is a horde. be it 50 Spits ponies and Las or 50 P40s Thats still alot of planes"
Well It does kinda sorta work. but not really. And still sometimes not at all
What I see is people sometimes doing, when numbers go up for one country thus kicking in ENY what they do is not switch to the side with the lowest numbers but switch to the side with the next most numbers.
That way they get their uber planes and still get to pick on the weak thus keeping their rankings up as well as being and they can still continue to over run the weaker country.
They often dont come to the weakest country at all. Probably because, Hey, what good having my superduper airplane if all Im going to do is go get gangbanged?
At least with the second most numbers I still get to be more of a ganger, thena gangee
Now no matter if you have 50 planes from country A hording you or 25 planes form country A and 25 planes from country B comming at your 10 planes "A Horde is a Horde is a Horde"
But this isnt always
Sometimes it just remains like old times where one side has vastly more numbers then either of the other two reguardless of what the ENY is.
The only difference being is in the planes they come in.
"A Horde is a Horde is a Horde"
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THanks HT...I guess i stand corrected. That's why it's called an opinion, and now with your info I will revise mine.
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Come on guys dont flame Richard and as a Knight I strongly agree with what he says. After work I log on to AH and about 90% of the time I'm on we are greatly outnumbered by the rooks and bish. I was playing today and it got so worse that I immediately logged off and did other things.
It seemed as if everywhere I went the knights got outnumbered. We kept losing bases and I just said to myself screw this and I quit. I would switch like everyone prefers but due to the fact that I am in a squadron I want to be loyal to my squad therefore I dont switch. I just joined the squad and I dont want them to say I'm just another guy that quit a squad. But to be honest Rich I dont think there's anything Hitech could do about this. I thought about adding another team but there are 3 problems to adding another team
1. If you give a side named Kings everyone wants to join that country to boost their ego.
2. If you give a side named Queens no one wants to join that country because of the name Queens.
3. If Hitech does add another team chances for a team to be eliminated faster are much higher therefore if one team is reduced to one base and still continues to go on people would be frustrated with one base and just switch to the other sides.
So if Hitech does come up with a solution then all power to them but unfortunately they are human just like we are.
3.
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Originally posted by bagrat
INCREASE THE TIME TO SWITCH FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY, ATLEAST A WEEK.
a week way to long. i tend to go where the fight is. if i see alot of green bars all over the map, and it doesn't seem to change, then i will go to the side that seems to have the worst odds. why, simply because i like to have more targets than i could kill myself. it is easy to pick people of while they are fighting someone else, but reverse the situation, and you have a good fight. if it was every week, then you can draw your own conclusions.
as for the poor poor knights, who have not enough people to defend themselves, last map they finished 2nd to the bish being last. ahhhh, so sad. :cry
care less about war, and score, more about flying.
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Originally posted by pluck
a week way to long. i tend to go where the fight is. if i see alot of green bars all over the map, and it doesn't seem to change, then i will go to the side that seems to have the worst odds. why, simply because i like to have more targets than i could kill myself. it is easy to pick people of while they are fighting someone else, but reverse the situation, and you have a good fight. if it was every week, then you can draw your own conclusions.
as for the poor poor knights, who have not enough people to defend themselves, last map they finished 2nd to the bish being last. ahhhh, so sad. :cry
care less about war, and score, more about flying.
Agree 100%.
Its not how many people are on a team, its how the numbers are together. If one country say has 200 people on and an opposing country has 130 on its all about where the people are located. The 200 person team could have specks of people here and there and the other team be grouped together and would capture more bases. Its all about how many people are in one area of the map.
I myself am not into the whole "we must win the war thing" as that to me is very boring. Go to the base, pork, wait hour for a goon, land and do the whole thing over again. I myself side with those that want a FT with indestructable bases and no ord. If we had that, you guys would know where to find me.
For how long we should wait to change teams...I feel the time difference should be very short. Say maybe 1-2 hours for how long you have to wait for to change countries again. This would encourage, I think, for people to even out more instead of having to wait 6 hours. I sometimes go knight when the fights are crappy on rooks. Then couple hours later the fights suck and pick up again on rooks but I have to wait another 3-4 hours to go back cause of the 6 hour wait.
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some one really needs to change there flying days/times ..
the arena #'s swap thru-out a 24-48 hr period .... just watch the bases as they move back and forth ..
another thing if ya notice is how many players are flying (its there in the current eny thingy in the clipboard ) You'll notice 10-15% of Us Rooklanders are sitting in our castles (Counting Sheep ect..) while your making a big deal over the arena numbers ... (now does this help your rank ?? Try taking up toolsheding and stratidefying).
:noid
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Originally posted by richard_rd
I just mentioned my rank so you would know i was not a newbie complaiining. If i cared about rank i would not up from my enemy capped base only to get voulched on the runway 10 times in a row trying to save the base.
Being a "loyal knight", you were one of the many who initially wanted this "ENY Limiter" in place to stop Rook RJO's one day a week. The whines still resonate after all of this time. It brings a tear to my eye, well almost.
Karaya
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The point is i don't care if i get killed, I care if my team captures bases and wins the war!
:rolleyes:
The point is HiTech has the power to keep the sides more even by using the ENY more aggresively!!!
Yes he does ... and no he won't. Notice that you are really the only one in this thread that is passionate about making the ENY MORE AGGRESIVE. That surely must tell you something.
The point is if ENY was used more aggressively the sides would be more equal in number of players, and if the sides did not balance out then at least the side with the lower numbers would have a better chance of compeating in the war because of the weaker plane set of the higher numbered sides.
That's what ENY does now ... and when it kicks in ... some groups still ***** that it's TOO AGGRESIVE.
The point is switch over to the Knights for a week and see how fun this game is anymore, it really sucks now, and yes if the Knights were the team with the constantly stronger numbers I would want and expect the creator of the game to use the powers he has to make the teams more fair!!!!! A stronger and more aggressive ENY would do this, because one of two things would happen
Going on 4+ years now ... I have seen it all ... I think ENY is just fine the way it is.
1. The teams would balance out over a short period of time because players from the higher numbered sides would want to fly the ubber non-perked planes.
or,
2. The team with the weaker numbers would have more of a chance because the severe ENY would cripple the other two teams because they would be restricted from using the ubber non=perked planes.
Tell us something we don't already know.
but,
I think result 1 above will win out because people will want to fly all the rides available!!!!!!
Could be true ... people already switch for that same reason when ENY kicks in.
or,
3. Make the main areana two sides only!!!!!
Never happen ... not as long as HT breaths.
The problem with your "aggressive ENY" campain is that it is completely self-serving.
If the Bish/Rooks were in the bucket would you be so vehemently asking for a more aggressive ENY ? ... I think not ... and most others probably think the same. That is why you have no real backing in this thread.
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Originally posted by richard_rd
Yes people who switch sides from the weaker numbered side just to keep their rank high are traders!!!
People who switch from the sides with the stronger numbers to be able to pilot the better planes are just smart!!!! If you take the game as a serious Team game and have loalty I would not expect you to switch sides. But there are at least 20% on each side that don't care about Team Tatics, these are the guys that just want to furball and not capture bases. It is those players that would balance the sides out!!!!
my rank was a 13 and we were out ####ed by alot i dident switch sides
just ya know FYI
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also....
what is this guys name in the MA......
and richard ALL TEAMS HAVE BEEN OUT NUMBERED AT A POINT
Shawk is ranked 1 in this game and he never switches sides when hes out numbered
pacerr(i cant believe im saying this:p ) dosent switch and lynx dosent leave when they get out numbered just fight it out and deal with it.
There was another post about this eny and it showed bish out numbered by knits, and rooks so much rooks eny was 45 and knits was 25. our perk mod was like 2.50 and 262s were like 50 points. I must have got like 500 perks in an hour playing that night. Just deal with it.
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I think its too easy to get a high end plane. I think their should be a points cap. Say the cap tops off at the cost of a 262. So you would never have more than 250 points at one time. Eventually most players would have to fly the "free" planes alot more. Make more of the mid range planes perked. Make it so the majority of the planes in here are early war planes..to slow down the fights. Maybe then smaller maps could last longer, and we could use more of the maps we never see.
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If your one that when ENY kicks in cant fly their plane, learn to fly a plane with a high ENY. Those that NEED to fly the dweebfire 16 and lgay7s, sure they will be pissed because thats the only plane they know how to fly. Pick a plane that has a ENY above 10 and wont really need to worry about ENY.
Myself, I fly that crappy plane that we call the 38. It has a ENY of 35 so never have to worry about ENY kicking in and have plenty of perks to spare if I was to pay 400 perks for a 262.
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Once upon a time in a MA... In a ...
Well the Rooks were the ones getting ganged all the time....
ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!
We started something called TEAMWORK!!! RJO's and alike
Then we had the numbers most of the time...
The 81st played an important roll in this....
THen came ENY....
THen Most of the 81st went to WWII online....
Bla bla bla...
HT had to do somthing I guess....
Gatr
81st
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Originally posted by richard_rd
I have been playing this game for two years now but for the past 4 months the inbalance in the sides has made it very frustrating. Yes i am a Knight, as if from my post topic you could not tell!!!
For more then 16 hours of the day the knights are heavely out numbered, most of the time by ratios like the following and alot of times alot worse:
Knights 40 players
Rooks 60 players
Bishops 60 players
And to make it worse the way the gameplay evolves it only makes sense that the Rooks and bish would concentrate on the weaker numbers of the Knights so it makes the pblm alot worse.
If the ENY would kick in alot sooner and alot harder then this would act as a motivational tool to try and keep the sides even because the people on the sides with the high numbers would get tired of flying the crappy planes.
The other morning about two weeks ago for a period of 4 hours the ratio's were as follows:
Knights 13 players
Rooks 38 players
Bish 32 players
Oh yeah that was alot of fun!!!!!!
Scuzzy and HiTech please consider putting something into the game to motivate people to balance the sides. I know if the situation does not change soon I will be giving up the game.
PS: And no i will not take the easy answer and just switch sides to the rook or bish because i would not do that to my Loyal knight team mates.
And on that note all you knights (and you know who you are) who switch to the rooks and bish when we are heavely outnumbered because you want to keep your Ranks high; I which a wild bore with rabies tracks you down and eats your heart out you scumb bag traders!!!!
I don't think numbers like that have ever been seen. It's always been the bish on the short end of the stick. Even if the bish do manage a large numbers you have to consider a "suck factor" A bish horde is only as effective as a rook/nit horde half that size.
:D
:noid
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What you talking about?
Rooks have me I degrade the rook horde, you cant get any suckier then me.
Rooks forced to put up with my sucky talent and get torn apart by bish and knight hordes half are size. :D
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On the Weekends and Primetime during week nights the Knights are usually outnumbered, but only by less then 5-20% and there are usually 300+ players in the main arena so it is not that bad.
The real problem is on weekdays non Prime Time (1AM to 6 PM), during these times the Knights are usually outnumbered by 30-50% per side. and the total number of players in the arena is usually less the 150 total. Under those conditions (heavely out numbered and low arena volume) it is almost imposible to be competative as a team, so many Knights gets frustrated and log off or switch sides.
I think the ENY system should take total amount of players in the arena as a factor, and when the arena numbers are low, and a team is out manned by 30% or more per side, ENY should start to kick in. The way the ENY seems to works now is when the arena numbers are low (less then 150) the ENY never seems to kick in untill the short sided team is outnumberd by 50% or more. IMHO that is way to late!!!!!!
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But don't forget the bish suck factor. The bish are always outnumbered. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of hot sticks on the bish side but not enough to sway the balance to the positive side of the scale. I have to admit though, I'm partly to blame because I suck. If you don't agree with me that I indeed do suck, I will switch to your country. Then we will see what happens then
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah *cough* *cough*hahahahahahaha.....
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Think all it needs -
At the moment its possible to get from 0.1 up to 4.9 ENY limits which are pointless.
Just add 5 to the current ENY system.
So if its
0.1 = 5.1
up to
4.9 = 9.9
Then continue it all the way through
normal ENY = 7.8 : modded = 7.8+5 = 12.8
That way the current 0.1 - 4.9 pointless ENY 'limits' are eliminated.
Or slight variation -
Any ENY less 5, equals 5
So anything from 0.1 - 4.9 is actually counted as 5.
From 5.0 onwards leave it as it is now.
Basically-
If ENY <=4.9 then ENY =5 else calculate as normal.
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The problem with the whole ENY thing is simple, because of it there is no motivation to capture bases or do anything more strategic than furball. Success means you lower the number of enemy planes in the air, which means you limit your available planeset, so now we have a system whos direct effect isnt to balance the sides, but rather to remove all motivations, or rather punish those with motivations to 'win the war'.
One of the games strengths is the feeling of community, and the capturing of that human tendancy to latch on to something, no matter how arbitrary and call it your own. Its why some of you root for the Steelers while others for the Seahawks...or whoever...you have a team that you root for, even though as the years go by not a single member of that team you began with is still there. You still maintain a strong affinity for that team.
So after flying with Rooks, Nits or Bish for years, the ENY punishment system is supposed to do what again? It does little to have players change sides...as seen by the thread starter, all it does is breed discontent.
First the calls were 'we need something to balance the sides'
Now its 'it needs to be stronger'
You cannot PUSH someone to change allegiance, you can only breed distrust and anger by trying. This game is wandering away from what made it great, and attempts to pacify the vocal minority will only hasten its fall into medeocracy.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Anyone who disagree's with the ENY has to be a newbie IMHO.
I have found only those who shout newbie tend to be the noobs them selves.
I have played and payed this game for 4 years yep im a noob:lol
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Originally posted by richard_rd
The point is switch over to the Knights for a week and see how fun this game is anymore, it really sucks now,
I am a Knight and don't know what you are talking about
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Originally posted by viper215
my rank was a 13 and we were out ####ed by alot i dident switch sides
just ya know FYI
Proof that rank has nothing to do with skill spelling or grammer.
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i THINK THERE SHOULD BE WAYS TO EVEN OUT THE PLAYING FIELD.
Bish went thru this not long ago. I agree with strengthening eny and also believe the NUMBER of bases a country owns should affect it as well. Number of players don't always correspond to strength.
What we did richard was form a bish coalition that worked together eveyr night and turned things around. It was great teamwork but i agree that that is not how i want to enjoy AH each night. When the teams are balanced things are most fun IMHO.
Dont worry bro, things willeven out...my first thought for solving the problem would be to gangbang rooks by forming a secret treaty with the bish and see how many of these country jumping morons who are responding to your post would stay rook...lmao
Note that the large majority of responders here are rooks...and most of them weren't rooks when the rooks didnt have numbers. Face it score runners ARE good pilots...they join the side with most numbers because it allows the to do what they need to improve their score. And furballers Are good pilots as well...they need space to get their furballs going...they wont be upping vulched bases or flying against a horde either.
Holy Sheep Batman here is a great idea!!! Instead of eny..make the country in truble have a kill and point multiplier!! Each kill counts as 2-3x...then you would see a happy influx back to knits etc!!!!
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!
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Falcon ... Great idea
Dale he may be on to somthing......
Gatr
81st
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Holy Sheep Batman here is a great idea!!! Instead of eny..make the country in truble have a kill and point multiplier!! Each kill counts as 2-3x...then you would see a happy influx back to knits etc!!!!
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm.....Interesting thought. Carrot rather than stick. Points for a kill vary aircraft vs. aircraft anyway.
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Already been tried with bounes perks.
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Any perk based system won't work UNLESS perks are reset every month.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Note that the large majority of responders here are rooks...and most of them weren't rooks when the rooks didnt have numbers. Face it score runners ARE good pilots...they join the side with most numbers because it allows the to do what they need to improve their score. And furballers Are good pilots as well...they need space to get their furballs going...they wont be upping vulched bases or flying against a horde either.
Holy Sheep Batman here is a great idea!!! Instead of eny..make the country in truble have a kill and point multiplier!! Each kill counts as 2-3x...then you would see a happy influx back to knits etc!!!!
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!
If what you are saying is true, it speaks volumes about the motives and quality of the AH player base.
Score potatos rule. Yuck....excuse me while I keep going against the tide and fly where the numbers are low and the odds are lousy.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i THINK THERE SHOULD BE WAYS TO EVEN OUT THE PLAYING FIELD.
Bish went thru this not long ago. I agree with strengthening eny and also believe the NUMBER of bases a country owns should affect it as well. Number of players don't always correspond to strength.
What we did richard was form a bish coalition that worked together eveyr night and turned things around. It was great teamwork but i agree that that is not how i want to enjoy AH each night. When the teams are balanced things are most fun IMHO.
Dont worry bro, things willeven out...my first thought for solving the problem would be to gangbang rooks by forming a secret treaty with the bish and see how many of these country jumping morons who are responding to your post would stay rook...lmao
Note that the large majority of responders here are rooks...and most of them weren't rooks when the rooks didnt have numbers. Face it score runners ARE good pilots...they join the side with most numbers because it allows the to do what they need to improve their score. And furballers Are good pilots as well...they need space to get their furballs going...they wont be upping vulched bases or flying against a horde either.
Holy Sheep Batman here is a great idea!!! Instead of eny..make the country in truble have a kill and point multiplier!! Each kill counts as 2-3x...then you would see a happy influx back to knits etc!!!!
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!
well look who it is:D
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heya hitech
yes there are bonuses but they are slight....1.2 etc
jack em up to 2.5 and 3 and give the outnumbering guys .5 etc and i bet you will see the guys who jump alot move to the side with better bonuses
had a few other ideas today:
1) as i said above....make number of bases occupied factor into the eny
2) Have a good number of bases uncapturable and just cycle maps
every three days (i.e. do away with winning a war)
3) for sides with fewer bases have troops ord etc up very quickly and the sides with more bases have slower reup periods
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Viper!!
BoP mission up!!
p.s. your mom said to take me and her out of your signature area!!!
lmao!:aok
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Originally posted by hitech
SFCHONDO: I strongly disagree. The ENY has had a drastic impact on side balance. Before the ENY we could have periods of more than 3 months when one side could have 1/2 the number of each ot the other 2 countries.
So if you ask the question does ENY perfectly balance the arena, the answere is no, (because it wasn't ment to be a perfect balance). But it has drasticly limited the peeks and valies as it was designed to do so.
HiTech
I agree with that completely. Because Im a brown-noser? No, because that's what I asked for back in 2004 when a possible country balancing system was being discussed.
Originally posted by Murdr 8-10-2004
Numbers are never going to maintain balance. Im in favor of whatever makes that imbalance more fluid, and cycle around between the countries in shorter time spans. It only becomes a problem when it goes out of balance so far that the figurative 'numbers pendulem' gets stuck in one place.
:)
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Originally posted by richard_rd
I which a wild bore with rabies tracks you down and eats your heart out you scumb bag traders!!!!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :rofl
dank ewe vor dat centinse.
It mayed moi knight.
Hoeva, is a co inky dink dat ewe tink manee knits aer traders!
Manee folcks feil dat waee too.
Butt, oi aam knot a trader en oi aam a knit.
Oi weel knot boar ewe wit de deetayles.:)
Damned Ren
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Viper!!
BoP mission up!!
p.s. your mom said to take me and her out of your signature area!!!
lmao!:aok
lol shes sick right now:cry stupid flu
hopeing to come back on game in a week... miss squad night =(
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Yayyyyyy!
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Yayyyyyy!!!!
p.s the bop sight is back up ya know
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
heya hitech
yes there are bonuses but they are slight....1.2 etc
jack em up to 2.5 and 3 and give the outnumbering guys .5 etc and i bet you will see the guys who jump alot move to the side with better bonuses
had a few other ideas today:
1) as i said above....make number of bases occupied factor into the eny
2) Have a good number of bases uncapturable and just cycle maps
every three days (i.e. do away with winning a war)
3) for sides with fewer bases have troops ord etc up very quickly and the sides with more bases have slower reup periods
zOMG!#@! I can't beleive this but.. I agree....with a BoP:eek: Excellent ideas Falcon, I especially like #2 hehehe:aok
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horay bk approval!!!!!!!
dont see to many wars being won now with all the large maps. And it would be cool if troops upped faster when you have less baces b/c the convoys going to the captured bace could just go to a bace thats down =/???
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Note that the large majority of responders here are rooks...and most of them weren't rooks when the rooks didnt have numbers. Face it score runners ARE good pilots...they join the side with most numbers because it allows the to do what they need to improve their score. And furballers Are good pilots as well...they need space to get their furballs going...they wont be upping vulched bases or flying against a horde either.
Holy Sheep Batman here is a great idea!!! Instead of eny..make the country in truble have a kill and point multiplier!! Each kill counts as 2-3x...then you would see a happy influx back to knits etc!!!!
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!
I remember, nor did I ONCE, come in here and whine.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I remember, nor did I ONCE, come in here and whine.
Karaya
http://www.reedsresearch.com/whine.jpg
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2) Have a good number of bases uncapturable and just cycle maps (i.e. do away with winning a war)
zOMG!#@! I can't beleive this but.. I agree....with a BoP Excellent ideas Falcon, I especially like #2 hehehe
Honestly, not trying to pick a fight . . . but I would expect dedicated furballers to like this idea.
Which is also a contradiction, since as dedicated furballers, I would have thought the map would matter not-at-all as long as there is a fight to be had.
Personally, I like a little strategy once in a while, or at least a goal beyond simply getting kills, so I don't care for that idea at all.
Kev's ideas seem the most sensible IMHO.
Or, if people hate it when their normal rides are off the table, try rolling the perk plane set. Suddenly on the side with the larger numbers, the LA7 and Spitfire XVI actually are perked instead of unavailable. (Not as effective helping the outnumbered side, but solves several whines at the same time).
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I like it because it could conceivably end some of the frothing of the mouth war winners who will stop at nothing to capture any and all bases. Also, I like the uncapturable bases part.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Note that the large majority of responders here are rooks...and most of them weren't rooks when the rooks didnt have numbers.
Rook since 1999....next question
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Always a Rook....even when unpopular....Right Alf?????:)
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There are Rook and then there are targets:aok
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Originally posted by ALF
There are Rook and then there are targets:aok
Ehem...actually...they are the same thing. :)
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We all know of all the rooks I am the biggest and easiest target to hit. :p
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Originally posted by Hoarach
We all know of all the rooks I am the biggest and easiest target to hit. :p
CC that Hoara....I have heard tell that the Bish are constantly talking about your big ol' butt. Of course, I wouldn't know anything about it. :)