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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nr_RaVeN on February 03, 2006, 02:56:06 PM
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The DA's no MA Or AvA but it still is a fun place to practice getting on ones six and have some fun one on one. As well as a place to settle differences and also a fun place for new guys to learn and meet some great sticks.
But lately its riddled with vulching adolescent FFA bull crapers that are ruining the honor of the duel.
I call upon HT to please post a pop up window As one would see in the training arena.
stating "THE RULES OF THE ARENA" for all new joiner to see. i.e.
1.don't fire until you ask first.
2.check six to challenge one to a duel,
3.wait for them to check back, first pass is dry and no HO.
it would greatly reduce the misunderstandings and grounding party's.
I also think that a dedicated FFA base should be established for those that want to fly that way .
~S~ RaVe
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lol Raven. Last time I complained about some one acting like that in the DA, they made him a trainer.
Only rule that apears to be is, id your check go through?
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I sent an email to HTC with this exact same request, so I agree with you NRraven.
However, I think you should send an email directly to HiTech and Skuzzy giving the names of the offenders as well as your request for the rule postings. You can't always count on them to come to the boards looking for suggestions.
Also, use the ".report username" command while in game. This provides a log of the incident that can be reviewed by the staff of HTC instead of just going by complaints of the users (who might be biased).
But as I said, totally agree with you. :aok
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Originally posted by Nr_RaVeN
I also think that a dedicated FFA base should be established for those that want to fly that way .
~S~ RaVe
There is. It is A1, but no one goes there cause it is not fun, unless you spoil someone elses fun.
(Waiting for the next great idea of moving to a diff field, cause we all know that we cannot be followed there) :rolleyes:
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There were numerous threads posted about this issue. HTC remained silent which leads us to believe:
a) Due to work amount on Combat Tour, DA is very low on the priority list, or
b) HTC doesn't want to change anything about DA
Meanwhile try to make the best out of your DA experience and don't forget to turn on recorder when there's a problem and/or make use of reporting function. Send films to HTC. From my past experience speaking, they will react if complaints hit certain threshold.
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Only the bottomfeeders vulch in the DA. They suck in the MA and need the egotistical support to suppress the feelings that will eventually resurface.
Karaya
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raven give up people have asked that for what bighorn? 3 or 4 years now its a pointless request.
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oh ok
just didn't think it was all that much work to simply have a basic pop up like in the training arena when you entered stating the rules.
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here to put it simple top shelf TOD------------------------------------------------
DA way down here in the basment
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DA generally sux, but a good few fights here and there. i think would be good to have a "default field" listed as a FFA, and the if you want to have a serious duel with someone then you can always lift at another field.
i know vulching sux, but the majority of really good fighs occur 1 v 1. when 10 people or more lift from the same field you just have to know your fight might get interupted. i think it woud be nice just to have 1 FFA (though vulching is stupid) and then all the rest dedicated to challenges and what not.
my 2 cents, doesn't buy much, but hey there it is. and yes i hate it when a good fight fight get interupted.
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the DA is the perfect place for the prepubescent crowd. that and the BVSS.
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Nr_RaVeN, I concur with your request for an MOTD pop-up or something, explaining the rules of this particular Arena...........enough people speak up , I am sure HTC will isten, just need the community support backing the idea!!!
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Originally posted by storch
the DA is the perfect place for the prepubescent crowd. that and the BVSS.
Ummm storch, all us BVSS are prepubescent so you already covered it. Thx for the ankle hump though.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Only the bottomfeeders vulch in the DA. They suck in the MA and need the egotistical support to suppress the feelings that will eventually resurface.
Karaya
:rofl you did a funneh!
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Shees...how hard can it be? Its as simple as typing up a MOTD. You yourself could prolly do it in 5 minutes or less.
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How about the old Air Warrior "Duel Mode" where opponents are only visible to each other? A little more coading involved but it was kinda cool.
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Originally posted by Tabasco
How about the old Air Warrior "Duel Mode" where opponents are only visible to each other? A little more coading involved but it was kinda cool.
ohh...very nice Tabasco..I forgot all about that. :aok
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The MOTD solution is a very easy fix, and might resolve more problems than one might think at first. The biggest problem is those borderline delinquents don't like being told what they can and can't do by strangers. If they see the rules clearly posted by HiTech, I bet some would (relunctantly of course) stop bad behavior when its pointed out to them, more than they do now. Possibly without a vulch party for emphasis. Of cours, there will always be the one or two anti-social kindergardeners like 13adMofo who do it for the enjoyment of hurting other people's fun, but it would also give some legitimacy to the veterans trying to explain the rules to the dweebs.
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MOTD will fix nothing, rules are only followed if enforced and htc wont ban people for doing such things in da.
On top of it he shouldnt really act on films send in to him complaining about guy xy. You never know what happend before or after the film.
So basically when he puts up a motd stating the rules people will either misread them and find holes, not read them at all or deliberately disobey them. Next step is you want someone with rights to enforce em.
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i will write an motd and send it off to HTC, it should only takea few minutes, then all they need to do is put it into the DA. i'd be quite happy to do it
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good man poo you have what I like to
call "POO PULL"
It can't hurt having a MOTD
I think coming from you there's a good chance it will stick.
It sure would cut down on quite a bit of the stuff, as the majority of folks are decent and upon reading such a MOTD would abide by the rules leaving only the few bad apples.
~S~ RaVe
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from AcesHigh website .....( hidden in plain sight ).....
Some rules take into account "real" life happenings while playing the game
while others are pretty much accepted by the population of online players for
ingame issues.
First are the accepted unwritten rules for real life issues:
1. When nature calls, announcing on Channel One "Pee Break" and ones
location is accepted as a "timeout". Time may vary but that pilot is
considered offlimits for that time period.
2. When the beer is empty, announcing on Channel One "Beers Empty"
results in the same timeout with the additional requirement of grabbing
beer for anyone that want's it.
3. Wife ack. No explanation is necessary. No time limit is imposed.
4. Pet interference: dependent on the nature of intrusion and resultant outcome as it effects participation.
Accepted unwritten rules for ingame issues:
1. In a base vultching situation the first to call "dibs" goes to the front of the
line. When mulitple pilots call dibs at the same time, a coin flip will decide
who is first. Taking cuts is frowned upon.
2. Wiping the goo from ones air screen is an official timeout if it has been
announced on Channel One. Time may vary dependent on the amount of
goo present. Multiple kills=more goo. evaluated on a per kill basis.
3.Anyone that bails and opens his chute above 600 feet AGL shall be shot in their chute. The resultant whining on Channel One will be replied with the comment "Your Momma"
4. Political discussions, whining about getting killed, ANYTHING in CAPS
on Channel One shall result in the offender becoming a labeled "tard" and
shall be shunned by those present.
5. The talking of "smack" is reviewed on a case by case basis. Good smack
is a pleasure to read. Badly written smack reflects on the poster more than the recipient. So good sentence structure and a clear thought processes are required so as not to percieved as a "tard". Talking good
smack is akin to walking a mine field. The liabilities out way the benifits.
Unwritten rules really are a way of life. They are not hard and fast rules, but rules that have been accepted over time. Think of it as a step up into the world of Aces High. :t
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
from AcesHigh website .....( hidden in plain sight ).....
Some rules take into account "real" life happenings while playing the game
while others are pretty much accepted by the population of online players for
ingame issues.
First are the accepted unwritten rules for real life issues:....... Think of it as a step up into the world of Aces High. :t
No wonder people keep breaking all the rules, they can't visually see what is being typed on Ch. #1........... :D
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Originally posted by Tabasco
How about the old Air Warrior "Duel Mode" where opponents are only visible to each other? A little more coading involved but it was kinda cool.
And how like you were able to bomb and destroy a base while in duel mode without worry of opposition? Yeah, bring AW duel mode to AH! lmao.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And how like you were able to bomb and destroy a base while in duel mode without worry of opposition? Yeah, bring AW duel mode to AH! lmao.
ack-ack
Oh fine........years after I leave AW for AH I find this out. Why doesn't anyone tell me anything?!
Zaphod
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Nr_RaVeN, I concur with your request for an MOTD pop-up or something, explaining the rules of this particular Arena...........enough people speak up , I am sure HTC will isten, just need the community support backing the idea!!!
This has been requested en masse many times and nothing has been done.
DA not a priority it would seem
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Its not that it is hard to fix. They dont want it fixed and the retards know it.
Dedalos: POS1 please stop interupting fights.
POS1:
Dedalos: I'll send film to HT
POS2: muhahahahah, they all say that, nothing happens.
At that point the NIKI comes out and POS1 and POS2 remain grounded for 20minutes. I am sure it was fun for all of us and $45 for HT.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And how like you were able to bomb and destroy a base while in duel mode without worry of opposition? Yeah, bring AW duel mode to AH! lmao.
ack-ack
what...HT cant be code specific?
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Judging from all the requests you see these days from some newb asking how to drive a gv, what color do i shoot at, why wont my plane take off... etc, etc...
What really makes you think these dickweeds are actually going to be able to read and understand an motd?
Theywill ignore it...
Click thru it ..
Or they just cant read to begin with.
You want know why HTC ignores this request?
Its Pointless.
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Originally posted by P0G0
Judging from all the requests you see these days from some newb asking how to drive a gv, what color do i shoot at, why wont my plane take off... etc, etc...
What really makes you think these dickweeds are actually going to be able to read and understand an motd?
Theywill ignore it...
Click thru it ..
Or they just cant read to begin with.
You want know why HTC ignores this request?
Its Pointless.
Its not that they don't know or can't read. Its because it is fun to mess with someone elses fun. They cant fly or take the time to learn, so whats the next available thing to do? Up a 262 from another field and pick people off.
Hey WindX, you are one of them, in case you forgot
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And how like you were able to bomb and destroy a base while in duel mode without worry of opposition? Yeah, bring AW duel mode to AH! lmao.
ack-ack
I wasn't aware of that problem.
Can bases be bombed and destroyed in the DA?
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Originally posted by Schutt
MOTD will fix nothing, rules are only followed if enforced and htc wont ban people for doing such things in da.
On top of it he shouldnt really act on films send in to him complaining about guy xy. You never know what happend before or after the film.
So basically when he puts up a motd stating the rules people will either misread them and find holes, not read them at all or deliberately disobey them. Next step is you want someone with rights to enforce em.
Schutt -
Gotta say I respect you're opinion, but I think you're wrong. i refer you to the thought, (paraphrased) "it takes good men to do nothing, for evil to succeed." Just because an MOTD won't solve the problem completely, doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Even if it stops only one newb from screwing up the DA, its a help. I can tell ya from experience that if I could have had the MOTD to back up my comments to some newbs they would have stopped sooner than they did. And, it would make me feel better about vulching their butts when they broke the rules.
And finally, I wouldn't have to type out the rules so darn much. lol I could just point 'em to the MOTD.
Finally, I have no problem if they do send enforcers for the DA, but I do need the vulching practise.
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Schutt -
Gotta say I respect you're opinion, but I think you're wrong. i refer you to the thought, (paraphrased) "it takes good men to do nothing, for evil to succeed." Just because an MOTD won't solve the problem completely, doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Even if it stops only one newb from screwing up the DA, its a help. I can tell ya from experience that if I could have had the MOTD to back up my comments to some newbs they would have stopped sooner than they did. And, it would make me feel better about vulching their butts when they broke the rules.
And finally, I wouldn't have to type out the rules so darn much. lol I could just point 'em to the MOTD.
Finally, I have no problem if they do send enforcers for the DA, but I do need the vulching practise.
Nope. He's right :). If you don't believe him drop into the TA and watch the pinheads egg A1 all the time. They usually get three warns then booted but come back to try again only to get booted again, ad nasuem...BTW, us folks in the TA do apologize to ya'll in the DA. It seems when they get the boot for being bad kiddies and get suspended where do ya think they head?
Answer A - outside to play?
Answer B - hmmmmmm, where else can I go make trouble....you guessed it!!! DING DING DING!
The rules pop up when you enter the TA arena on the MOTD. When was the last time any one of you actually read :O them to see if anything's changed? And you expect some new guy to actually read them when all he wants to do is jump in a plane and see if he can take off!?
But! And think about this...imagine you had nothing to do but pop open another beer and read this thread...it's very entertaining . Right? :aok
Since you really have never seen any response to the concerns you should feel free to vulch the heck outa the kiddies and pin em to the field. Peer pressure means nothing to a kiddie but not being able to take off for an hour may actually stop them for a little bit. By the same token, a lot of these kids were brought up in Tomb Raider Game era so they fully understand they may have to try over and over again, for at least a million times before they get up. But for them, that's ok. It's much more fun for them to have you shooting at them over and over than to have to go out and play with thier friends....:lol
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I think Ren nailed it pretty good. I know when I go to the TA I don't bother to read the MOTD. And I also really doubt it would help much. The only thing I think that would really help resolve the problem would be to add moderators in there with the same privilages the trainers have in the TA. Outside of that, I can't really see anything helping too much.
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Gotta say I respect you're opinion, but I think you're wrong. i refer you to the thought, (paraphrased) "it takes good men to do nothing, for evil to succeed." ...snip....
Finally, I have no problem if they do send enforcers for the DA, but I do need the vulching practise.
I gotta agree with Ren, though, that MOTD isnt gunna change 'em.
BUT -- I think there is something we can do about it.
If you think of the MA as being policed by moderators with the power of old west Marshalls, think of the DA as being run by frontier justice. The "good men" who need to act -- the vets who know the score -- just need to drop their duels for 5-10 minutes and concentrate on dweeb suppression. The times Ive ahd to do it, the dweebs disappear within 5-10 minutes.
BTW, you can cut down on angry vets if you vulch at far end of the runway instead of the spawn. Couple times guys have joined the DA without knowing dweeb suppression is underway -- upped right on top of the dweeb, gotten accidentally vuched, adn gone ballistic. Plus, there's a certain sick pleasure it letting the dorks think thy're gunna make it off the runway this time...
and ,aybe giving them a little longer between spawn clicks cuts down on the adrenaline persistant behavior.
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Only been to the DA once, about a week ago.
Didn't know what it was for. Didn't see any rules. Didn't have a clue what the rules were. Looked around at the tower -- didn't see what the point was (everyone looked to be on the same team). So, didn't even try to up. Didn't want to screw up someone elses fun.
Also admittedly didn't bother to search out any rules, and didn't ask -- didn't want to be flamed for being such a "tard".
Seems one small do could have eliminated a lot of didn'ts.
Thanks Raven. Now I DO know.
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Originally posted by E25280
Only been to the DA once, about a week ago.
Didn't know what it was for. Didn't see any rules. Didn't have a clue what the rules were. Looked around at the tower -- didn't see what the point was (everyone looked to be on the same team). So, didn't even try to up. Didn't want to screw up someone elses fun.
Also admittedly didn't bother to search out any rules, and didn't ask -- didn't want to be flamed for being such a "tard".
Seems one small do could have eliminated a lot of didn'ts.
Thanks Raven. Now I DO know.
E25, DA is for practicing dogfighting and even SA. There aren't teams in there unless stated. Green can shoot down green. Basically the only thing most ask is for a chk 6 and then wait for a return chk 6 before engaging. It can really help you get an understanding of ACMs.
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Originally posted by Tabasco
I wasn't aware of that problem.
Can bases be bombed and destroyed in the DA?
think base destruction disabled in DA. In AW though there was a bug that allowed players in duel mode to still attack bases.
ack-ack
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Ok, I've been staring at the way you typed "DA" in the thread title for over a week now, and I can't hold back saying it any longer...
DAAAAA rules!
Chris Farley