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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Henrique Jitsu on February 03, 2006, 07:56:19 PM
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See Rule #4, #5
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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
This game is cool,but some people here...
I can agree, but in a way you may not like it...
Canīt say anything ībout your "incident" but i donīt think your behaviour in the main was right. Telling a helpless newbie outright to "do not go to training area, the trainers are idiots", as you did a couple of minutes ago in the MA is neither mature nor helping anyone nor true.
I spent a lot of time the last few months in the TA, sometimes learning, sometimes helping. NEVER any trainer showed any sign of impatience, megalomania or injustice. I saw rarely someone to be kicked, and only after lots of warnings.
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"Today is one more time that I got ejected by an idiot"
So your admiting this is not the first time? When else were you booted and why?
Let me spell it out for you. There are 4 simple rules to follow.
They show up when you first log into the arena.
Or in tower you can click "show MOTD"
Failure to follow those rules can result in instant ejection from arena.
Granted he should have probably warned you first.
But if you have had problems in there before, its not supriseing that you got booted without a warning.
Next, calling trainers idiots or stupid is not how you win friends or influence people around here.
Last, while I did not have the pleasure to be the one to boot you last time.
If you show up in the TA while I'm on watch I strongly suggest you mind your P's & Q's. Actions have consequences, in the TA they can happen very quickly.
At this point you have 2 main options left. You can stay out of the TA, hope to learn it all on your own in the main. (be sure not to lose that chip on your shoulder, should come in handy in there)
Or you can accept that you were at least partially to blame, apoligise, and hope the trainers decide to give you another chance.
Either way ranting in the BBS solves nothing.
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u sure it was for dropping d/t's?
I'm suspecting there is more to this story. Who knows, who cares, just obey the rules, be polite, and use the TA to get better. That's what it's there for.
I had a brand new player show up to one of the King of the Hill events, and proceded to just fly around, clueless to what was going on. He was warned, private mesaged to, spoken to on vox, then finally I .ejected 'em. The NEXT week was another KOTH, and he showed up, and was again disruptive. Warned twice then .ejected. The very NEXT KOTH, and this is a month later, so he's not as much of a noob, he actually tried to participate. When he was shot down, he stayed in his chute, and was asked to end flight, as he was a distraction, to wit he replied "no, I don't wanna" BOOM instant .eject. If it's someone that I have had to warn and eject before, I will move straight to the .eject w/o a warning. So I GUESS what I am saying is that due to your prior ejections in the TA, they probably are less tolerant of you behavior, and more prone to just boot ya'. If you have disrupted an event that I am hosting in the past, I will cut you less slack, and would be much more likely to just .eject ya'.
Would be a good idea to consider being polite to the trainers if you wanna keep flying in the TA. Spouting off in the MA, and then on the BBS probably isn't the best way to cultivate a positive relationship with the Aces High Training Corps.
My 2 cents.
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lolz
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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
I dropped my fuel tanks on runway and they exploded........Dont he know that bombs make craters?
:huh :confused:
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Originally posted by WMLute
u sure it was for dropping d/t's?
I'm suspecting there is more to this story.
Oh yeah, there's a LOT more to this story. This huckleberry consistently ignores the posted rules. Ren reported on the Trainer's forum: "JiuJitsu took off and immediately turned to egg A1. People really are trying to learn and this is at least the third time with him too."
I've warned him a few times about misbehavior myself. Most of the time, a polite warning is all that is necessary for the majority of mildly disruptive players. Some players feel they must push their luck. Those guys usually get the boot if they continue to disrupt the room.
My regards,
Widewing
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Oooh, tough one here. On one hand, I know most of the trainers, such as Widewing here, and can say that they are very patient considering the large influx of new people that come to them. If that patience has been taxed, it probably wasn't arbitrary.
I also know that the inevitable inexperienced gamer is bound to find his/her way in here from the latest quake/NFS/younamethesmashanddashgame and don't quite understand how it's done at this level.
Best that can be hoped for is jiujitsu here steps back, realises he isn't at home and won't be catered too, and that some things are inappropriate behavior. That would be a great way to start over, as this group is Very Forgiving, knowing that it's not the person who is wrong, but the online experience up to this point has simply not been at the level and quality to teach them tact, dignity, grace and manners.
With that, I'm sure that lessons can be learned and burnt bridges repaired.
Then again, there is always the name on the list that will make me look twice at the registration, just in case some names turn up in any of My events :)
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He's lucky he isn't one of my students. He'd find out what it's like to go skydiving without a parachute, if ya know what I mean.
Of course I'd be careful to keep his credit card number on file to collect my full hourly wage for flight time and make sure I was paid in addition to the complete satisfaction of tossing him out of the airplane.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
lolz
I totaly agree. :D
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Originally posted by Ghosth
So your admiting this is not the first time? When else were you booted and why?
I flew over A1 being a Knight.And I will keep doing that if the rules dont change and I feel into doing it, I've seen many trainers say that you cant overfly A1 being an enemy.I simply didn't find that rule or any related.
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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
I flew over A1 being a Knight.And I will keep doing that if I want, I've seen many trainers say that you cant overfly A1 being an enemy.I simply didn't find that rule or any related.
Juijitsu <------ his actual gameid ingame, btw, how come you being like this?
Last week , when I came in and you was asking for help, and I started working with you, you explicitly told me, I alread know this, so I went to explain and show you something else, you proceeded to say"I already know that!"
Yet, as I tryed to help you / work with you, you would continously take off, without listening, and all you really wanted to do was , show me how good you could do somethings. that is all I will say on that matter, but the thing is, when I called you down and anyone else down that day, you said ok/understood/sorry or something ressembling an answer of this type.
We had no problems. I also told everyone in their to READ the MOTD.
If you don't listen to us Jitsu, then you will be booted everytime, unless you are flat out banned.........so I seriously would advise you to not go against the grain....
I know how being 15 years old is on a teenager, you not a kid anymore, but not quiet an adult either, but you think you got all the answers......just like when you told me"I read all of netaces.org, I know all of it"!!! ( honestly, I got a big giggle out of this statement, I would not even play this game if it was as simple as reading some text , then it becomes a cakewalk from there on....)
That is why I asked you to go and let me work with you on your stick settings, your views setup, showing you BFMs, and walking you into the "basic merge" and why I went over finding the flight envelope edges of your plane type.....do you still remember what the Lift Vector is?
seeing how you "Already Know It All" you shouldn't of had any problems, yet you stalled/spun and augered , during these performances......
so, if you want to come into our domain, and be disruptive & not follow the rules, and not show some common courtesy of others in the Training Arena, then you might as well "Grab your Manche" and go play in the DA or MA.........
Why the sudden change though, I am not sure, but it is only going to hurt you!!! Take heed, you have been warned....
now on a lighter note: if you want to work on some tactics, Jitsu, or work on a particular plane type / gunnery etc.......please feel free to email the trainers or ask one of them when you pop into the arena....We are here to help you......
but throwing out an ultimatum type statement like you just did ---> Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
I flew over A1 being a Knight.And I will keep doing that if I want, I've seen many trainers say that you cant overfly A1 being an enemy.I simply didn't find that rule or any related.
is only going to cause you grief! let it go now, and enjoy the game, live and learn, you are too new & too young to become a rotting Lemming corpse.......
if you follow my advice, you will eventually see everything you are missing about this flight sim & community at this current moment.......
Have A good Day, Juijitsu.......
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jitsu, you were booted after several warnings. read the rules and stick to them please, they're there to help new players. if you need to be warned 3 times before being booted you have no right to argue against it. the trainers are there to help new players, or people that want to learn/practise. if this means getting rid of troublesome players then so be it. if you've been booted twice, do you reckon you've learned a lesson from it?
next time you come by the TA, please read the rules over again, to make sure you know what not to do
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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
I've seen many trainers say that you cant overfly A1 being an enemy.I simply didn't find that rule or any related.
Trainers are "allowed" to make/adopt/modify rules if necessary. Rules don't have to be written. If they inform you about what you shouldn't do, you just don't do it.
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well, forget that anyway bighorn, it IS written. i think its rule no. 2
jitsu, please, read it next time!
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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
I flew over A1 being a Knight.And I will keep doing that if the rules dont change and I feel into doing it, I've seen many trainers say that you cant overfly A1 being an enemy.I simply didn't find that rule or any related.
We can teach you the game, the user interface and maybe even teach you to fly. We can teach you many things. However, there is no curriculum to eliminate "dumb".
Trainers have the authority to impose rules that they deem necessary to maintain order or create a satisfactory learning environment. Bombing A1 is disruptive to learning. Therefore, the Trainers do not allow it. If every potential issue were listed in the MOTD, players would be reading more that flying. Trainers are selected not only because they can teach and not only because they are good pilots. They are also selected because they have good judgement and are not disposed to abusing authority.
HTC recognizes that there will be incidents and occasions that are not covered by the MOTD and HTC depends upon the judgement of the Trainers to deal fairly and effectively with these issues. This Trainers do very well.
In short, what constitutes the rules are what is stated in the MOTD and any additional rules that may be imposed by the Trainers to maintain a learning atmosphere within the TA.
When you are asked not to bomb A1, there is a purpose behind it. When you decide that you can do whatever you want despite what the Trainers have asked, you are displaying an attitude that is not welcome in the TA.
Inasmuch as the TA is basically a classroom, distruptive students may be given a "time-out" when their behavior so warrants. Repeat offenders will be referred to Principal Skuzzy and being expelled is a real possibility.
Therefore Mr. Jitsu, how you fare in the TA is entirely up to you.
My regards,
Widewing
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
I flew over A1 being a Knight.And I will keep doing that if the rules dont change and I feel into doing it, I've seen many trainers say that you cant overfly A1 being an enemy.I simply didn't find that rule or any related.
So you ignore trainers? You are so cool, how can we be like you? BTW, come into the MA, and you'll get used to bailing. You seem to "have all of your answers anyways".
Karaya
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LOLH - Come to the MA Jitsu we'll take care of you LOLH.
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Jiu jitsu praktice some more fighting once you have a black belt you will no longer be ejected easily, only trainers with good knowledge of special fighting styles like silat will be able to get you then.
If you go over line you get ejected, why you want to know the name who ejected you? so you can follow the rules when their there and be a badboy once they are afk or look away?
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The trainers are volunteers... they don't get paid to deal with your bull****.
Respect is a two way street; you give, you get.
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Back in April of 2002, I rolled a 38 in the TA. Was getting used to the plane, someone shot me down without announcement. I rolled another, and continued to vulch (before I knew what vulching was) the salamander, until he left the TA. After a total of 45 minutes I went to the MA, joined NAZGUL.
Karaya
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Okay, here's my deal... I've been in this game for approx. 8 months now, and I have never met anyone with as much patience as the AH Trainer Corps... I've been in there (never with this young'un) with some people who just like to see how far they can go with the trainers without being booted. Generally, they have a great deal of latitude and just chalk it up to these people either being kids or just noobs, in general.
My point is, Jitsu, is that you have to go pretty far to piss off the trainers, especially TC and Ren. What you need to see here, buddy, is that these guys are only in there to see you improve, and it's kinda disrespectful when you spit in the eyes of those who want to keep that "crater"on the runway being drop tanks, instead of pieces of you... Just keep that in mind before you come in here and say stuff like that again...
Just my $.02
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Originally posted by Delirium
The trainers are volunteers... they don't get paid to deal with your bull****.
Respect is a two way street; you give, you get.
Hell, I'm not an "Official HTC Trainer". I've helped dozens of people past and present in the TA, DA. I can careless about the "Thank yous", the "atta boy's", just doing my part to strengthen the AH Community.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Hell, I can careless about the "Thank yous", the "atta boy's", just doing my part to strengthen the AH Community.
Karaya
Shure ya are ... I see Future "MA Victoms " somewere between the lines.
:noid
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TC is good people, if you can't get along with him then you might consider some other form of internet entertainment.
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i would add my 2 cents but i only have a nickle. anyone have any change??
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See Rule #2
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Originally posted by viper215
lame
It aint an Mp3 encoder.
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Sounds like Jitsu is a future misunderstood BK. :aok
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We're not misunderstood. It's everybody else that's messed up!
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See Rule #4, #6
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Originally posted by mars01
See Rule #5
Flatulence :rofl
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