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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Furball on February 04, 2006, 07:28:48 AM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3893889091236615482&q=top+gear
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"turned into kip" lol
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The tank gave him too much of a sporting chance. Shoulda run over the hedges he was hiding behind, or popped the hatch and got after him with a .50cal :)
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That little toy car has to go around the bushes. Tanks are built to go through stuff, thats why their called tanks. If it was a real tank driver, that car would of been toast, either by losing or getting blasted from the cannon
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i was just a bit of fun, i dont think they were really trying to kill him...
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Originally posted by Saintaw
"turned into kip" lol
suprised you got that frenchy.
he was referring to smoked kippers!
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I was in your bushes for over three years you lounge lizzard. Used to be a top gear fan even if I don't care much about cars.
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Saw has been in Furball's bush?
Um......
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I was in your bushes for over three years you lounge lizzard. Used to be a top gear fan even if I don't care much about cars.
(http://www.lafferty.ca/stuff/images/misc/cookie_desktop.jpg)
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If that was here. They woulda simply called in a A-10 and drove to the bar.
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Heres what should have happened.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/581_1139073417_m1a1-bagdad-.jpg)
Some real cool pictures here M1A1 (http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm)
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so who would win between an Abrams and a challenger?
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Oh now, now you've gone and done it...
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
so who would win between an Abrams and a challenger?
Challenger II :)
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MOD!
Edit that out before the fight starts!
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I dunno. The brit crew couldn't hit a range rover 5 feet in front of them and kept calling misses :) Kinda like asking what's better, a SpitXVI or La7. Depends on the crew!
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Woulda been kind of a lame segment if the RR got popped 5 seconds out of the gate, eh? Perhaps they were just playing along.
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Heh...
Mo-Bile phone.
I liked the "Aliens" suspenseful music in the background.
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Love Clarkson and Top Gear...
Tronsky
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For the price of the rangerover I could get a few challenger II tanks.
http://www.mark-1-tank.co.uk/challenger-2.html
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
so who would win between an Abrams and a challenger?
The Abrams is Combat proven.
Karaya
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The challenger II saw combat, I think it even set a record.
I'd put the challenger II down as tied with the JGDF type90 for fourth place.
1rst would be the strv-122
2nd would be the leo 2a6
3rd would be the leo 2a5
4th would be the m1a2
5th would be the leclerc
6th would be the type90 or challengerII
Japan's type90 is a leo 2 with an abrams gun, and some secret super donkey man target acquisition system that nobody can talk about.
The merkava mkIV is butt ugly but supposed to be uniquely suited for sand. The arjun is supposed to be good but it's very new, nobody knows much about it. China is supposedly coming out with a monster mbt with a 156mm gun. As for crews, the Gerris and Sweedes are still kicking tulips at training centers.
Sweedes have the coolest tanks, first the S tank, now the strv122(leo2a6ES)
From 10 years ago.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_98-12_a7ct3q98.htm
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Originally posted by Meatwad
. If it was a real tank driver, that car would of been toast
Yes, it would of.
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Originally posted by Suave
The challenger II saw combat, I think it even set a record.
Maybe the the Challenger II saw action in Bosnia (sorry, but it is hardly worth mentioning). But the Challenger I did participate in the Gulf War. So again, my original still stands.
Karaya
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OIF doesn't count ?
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Originally posted by Suave
OIF doesn't count ?
You are gonna compare Gulf War (Abrams, Challenger I) to Bosnia (Abrams, Challenger II)? Do a reality check.
No Abrams tank has ever been destroyed as a result of fire from an enemy tank. However, in 2003 a Challenger II fired on another Challenger II.
Karaya
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Originally posted by SOB
Woulda been kind of a lame segment if the RR got popped 5 seconds out of the gate, eh?
If by lame you mean kickass!
When's the last time you watched a video of a 120mm cannon blow away a stupid looking overpriced suv at point blank ?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You are gonna compare Gulf War (Abrams, Challenger I) to Bosnia (Abrams, Challenger II)? Do a reality check.
Wow you're really hankerin for some arguin.
No, there was this thing called operation Iraqi freedom, and the battle of baghdad. From what I understand tanks might have been involved.
No Abrams tank has ever been destroyed as a result of fire from an enemy tank.
Neither has a challengerII.
However, in 2003 a Challenger II fired on another Challenger II.
Karaya
Yeah and blew it's turret off from 4000m.
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BTW you should read the book "Thunder Run". Best war book published since "Blackhawk Down".
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Originally posted by Suave
Wow you're really hankerin for some arguin.
No, there was this thing called operation Iraqi freedom, and the battle of baghdad. From what I understand tanks might have been involved.
Neither has a challengerII.
Yeah and blew it's turret off from 4000m.
The Challenger was LOST. Bottom line.
Again, more than 8,800 Abrams have been produced. Abrams have been victims of "friendly fire", the tanks were NOT destroyed. In friendly fire incidents the front armor and side turret armor survived direct APFSDS hits from other M1A1s (regardless of distance).
There is no copmparison.
Karaya
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I think pride clouds your reason. Just like the brits that proclaim the challenger II to be the best and the russkis who swear the t-90 is the best. I think you're more interested in appearing to be right than anything else. Before today you probably didn't even know that the challenger II had stronger armor and a more potent cannon than the m1a2.
I love to talk tank, but I grow weary of poser grognards who can't cache their nationalism.
I gotta start remembering to log in before I read these threads.
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Originally posted by Suave
I think pride clouds your reason. Just like the brits that proclaim the challenger II to be the best and the russkis who swear the t-90 is the best. I think you're more interested in appearing to be right than anything else. Before today you probably didn't even know that the challenger II had stronger armor and a more potent cannon than the m1a2.
I love to talk tank, but I grow weary of poser grognards who can't cache their nationalism.
I gotta start remembering to log in before I read these threads.
Wrong. But you are entitled to your opinion. Laters.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The Challenger was LOST. Bottom line.
Again, more than 8,800 Abrams have been produced. Abrams have been victims of "friendly fire", the tanks were NOT destroyed. In friendly fire incidents the front armor and side turret armor survived direct APFSDS hits from other M1A1s (regardless of distance).
There is no copmparison.
Karaya
what about those abrams which have been totalled by old soviet rpg's and anti tank missiles?
http://www.militarycity.com/iraq/1704995.html
There is the report from iraq where a Challenger II suffered an engine breakdown in the middle of a town, it was hit by something like 7 rpg's and 2 anti tank missiles before it was recovered, without a single scratch to the crew and without serious damage.
the Challenger has not suffered a single combat loss and holds the record for the furthest confirmed kill. and also, dont forget, the Abrams uses the British Chobham armour of which the Challenger II uses a higher spec version codenamed Dorchester.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wrong. But you are entitled to your opinion. Laters.
Karaya
Sorry I over reacted. I came back to delete my post you had allready responded.
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Originally posted by Furball
what about those abrams which have been totalled by old soviet rpg's and anti tank missiles?
http://www.militarycity.com/iraq/1704995.html
There is the report from iraq where a Challenger II suffered an engine breakdown in the middle of a town, it was hit by something like 7 rpg's and 2 anti tank missiles before it was recovered, without a single scratch to the crew and without serious damage.
the Challenger has not suffered a single combat loss and holds the record for the furthest confirmed kill. and also, dont forget, the Abrams uses the British Chobham armour of which the Challenger II uses a higher spec version codenamed Dorchester.
Tank to tank Furball. The complete design of the Abrams armor is specualtory at best. It's still classified as far as I know. I hate those engine grills, they should armor them better. Furthermore, the "Friendly fire incident" was chalked up as a LOSS.
Karaya
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so you are saying that the Abrams is better because it has only lost tanks to a guy toting a cheap russian RPG...
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jdw/jdw030620_1_n.shtml
...compared to a FF incident where a single tank, one of the finest tanks in the world, with a more powerful gun than any of the enemy it is up against, accidentally shoots another tank, killing 2 of the 4 man crew being its single loss?
To date the Challenger (one or two) has not suffered a single LOSS to enemy action in what, 3 wars?
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Originally posted by Furball
so you are saying that the Abrams is better because it has only lost tanks to a guy toting a cheap russian RPG...
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jdw/jdw030620_1_n.shtml
...compared to a FF incident where a single tank, one of the finest tanks in the world, with a more powerful gun than any of the enemy it is up against, accidentally shoots another tank, killing 2 of the 4 man crew being its single loss?
To date the Challenger (one or two) has not suffered a single LOSS to enemy action in what, 3 wars?
No, I'm merely stating that the Abrams has seen a helluva lot more combat than the Challenger. I guess the inferior M256 120 mm smoothbore gun developed by Rheinmetall AG should be upgraded?
Comparing the "battle record" of less than 500 Challenger II's made to 8,800 Abrams is pointless too.
Karaya
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whooops!
:D