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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Loddar on February 04, 2006, 03:33:21 PM
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Fin dominating this arena with axis players.
No fun on the allies side.
Good idea with this arena. Bad acceptance from the players.
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Loddar, I was just saying earlier to my squad mates that this evenin was no good considering the AvA's present or future account. I had a blast (literally) but that is only due to our (finnish) very organized flying. When the allies have no organization, it is very easy to just drop in and kill everything in sight without having to worry about ur six either.
I do c what u mean but when our "team" is on the play, it seems that the possibilty for even sided AvA is allmost non existant.
We do not want to control the map or the arena, but seem to do so if we consentrate our efforts. Earlier, in sight of allied beeing undermanned we have split our forces to equalize the sides, but just this evenin (and this whole weekend) were had the Blitz 2006 event here in Finland, where AH and other aviationsimulation players come together. Understandibly we wanted to stay on the same side.
I do wish (in future) that the allied side would not take this evenin as some finn control example, but more as a lesson of what consentrated effort in any arena can do. And I wish that we'll see a fine, massive and well led bombing runs performed by the allies in the upcoming days.
This is solely my own opininion, but I hope U all who were present in AvA this evenin will take it as my sincere explanation, and as apology if requested.
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its so true. the finns are so good at organising themselves. the problem is that the other side are just too stupid to realise that you have to fight fire with fire. i guess it's to do with the fact that there are so many noobs flying allies at the moment, and all they care about is how many kills they can steal before they get blown to bits. next time the finns are wiping the floor with you, get the long thread of pilots going into the thunderclouds in single file, to come back, form up and go in together.
you'll have more fun and win more. i just dont get why people dont realise this
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Because the average gamer (red: noob allied spitdweeb) is a loner geek sitting in dark computer room who would rather shove toothpicks under his fingernails than talk to someone long enough to coordinate a fight?
Sorry, I'm having a bad day today...
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My god I am wasted, maybe I shouldnt write anything here today... :lol
I confess, I was one of those A5 fellas (Tikto) on the axis side. My observation is quite simple. To avoid such a situation, there should be a mission channels to both teams (as we did) or at least to those willing to give hard times to the enemy. Communication is crucial here. What did we do to dominate the arena... we did, yay!!! :lol
All we did was that we talked to each others. We did NOT have any master plans or similar. We just communicated: we told where we are, we told what we see and how many enemies there were. We warned each others from the enemies, and if one of us had someone behind him, the closest one of us gave advices in order to get a perfect position for a kill. Its like this: "Turn left, now level up and go straight forward, I'm only 300 meters away..., perfect." And a few moments later, the spit, harrassing one of ours, turned in to a ball of fire.
No master plan is required, just TALK to each others, thats all you need!!!
Tho today surely was an exception...
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It's amazing what a few guys who actually clear each others (and guys the don't even know) tails can do in a fight.
It's one thing to dive in a ruin a good 1 on 1, quite another to come down and help out a guy whos being ganged or whos trying to limp a damaged bird home.
Half the guys who come in from the MA will fly right over another getting mauled without so much as checking to see if he needs help, and then whine when they get ganged that noone helped them.
Or they'll watch you get bounced without saying a word and then scream about how nobody makes check 6 calls when it happens to them.
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I just logged off a little bothered by spits at 20k. the allies are either
1. in their ack
2. HO'n
3. at 20K looking for a cherry pick
4. all of the above
this while they are all in spits!!!! if you can't fight in spits people you have some serious deficiencies that need to be addressed.
I don't understand the fun in this type of play. frankly I can find these things in the MA while flying the ride of my choosing.
thankfully this isn't always the case. it has been today though. I know some of you will use this to flame me, I don't care flame away. if we don't take the time to create a different culture in this arena it will be back to 6 people at prime time again. that would be a shame. we should attempt to work with the newer players and teach them the necesary skills to survive without having to resort to dweebery. if you are a new player and would like to learn non dweeb skills please look me up and ask me to help you. I'm not very good but I can and will pass on what I know. we should all resolve to do the same. it can only help.
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I think its just a MA type mentality. There are lots of people who arent in squads, and unless they join a mission or two, they mostly fly alone. I know I usually fit that description. Anytime you have a squad that flies together often, they are much more effective than any one person can be alone. In an arena with smaller numbers like the AvA, its going to be even more pronounced. We have to find a way of promoting squads in here and getting people to wing up when they are alone. Ask for a wingman, or if its ok to tag onto an existing formation!
Whether we have strat enabled or not, whether bombing targets takes them down for 30 seconds or an hour, none of that will make a difference if ultimately people cant find something different here. Having squads that make a difference is the key. When new guys log in and say HI! we should be jumping to help them get acclimated and find a spot, not ignoring them. I've gone afk for half an hour, come back and seen just such a scenario on my screen. Someone came in, said hello, no one said a thing. Newbie left. Is that what we want?
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I have not as yet tried the AvA, but will try to pop in sometime soon.
In reading this thread, I get several things.
Finns (Axis in general) are organized, communicate well, help each other out, do it right, have a good time and land kills.
Allies seem to be MA types, bring in their MA attitudes and habits, and other wise are just opposite of axis in thinking and deed.
Net result:Axis dominates.
How to fix this seems obvious to me.
I will fly Allied and see for myself if there is any coordination possible. Hopefully, someday, "we" will give the Finnish boys a run for their money and have fun doing it.
In the meantime, all I can say is, Salute to the Axis. :aok
Might also be a great opportunity for me to get better in the German Aircraft. :D
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with low numbers one orgenized squad can dominate the areana. Where are the allied squads I do not know.
Also it seems that LW players tend to be more dediacted LW players while the allied players do not fly allied because it's allied - they just fly all kinds of planes and most happen to be allied. Seem like a subtle difference but actually it is not.
I've been flying mostly LW and I really can see the difference between the types of players.
I just logged off a little bothered by spits at 20k. the allies are either
1. in their ack
2. HO'n
3. at 20K looking for a cherry pick
4. all of the above
this while they are all in spits!!!! if you can't fight in spits people you have some serious deficiencies that need to be addressed.
1. acks are almost harmless. I landede a Hurri in france and it took the acks about 2 min to kill me stationary on the runway.
2. takes 2 to HO.
3. LW rides can go that high too
4. a whine has been recorded.
Bozon
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yeah, its just a lot of preteen noobs that come by because of the numbers, and they all want to fly spits. it will be like that, and maybe some of you LW guys could do SOMETHING to even up the numbers, because otherwise it just gets boring in there
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Amazing... add more people to the mix and it turns into the MA.
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Originally posted by Delirium
Amazing... add more people to the mix and it turns into the MA.
not always Del, but there is a definite need for some co-ordinated play on the allied side. I think SA-2 pretty much nailed it. the arena is in pretty good shape when the gunfighters and the 78th are on. last night they were conspicuous by their absense. I should have gone ahead and gone to dinner with frau storch but the weather here was horrendous. end up watching most of that grizzly man thing on the discovery channel. I think I have a candidate for a darwin award.
bozon:
1. ack kills you. I got a 1 ping puffy ack death last night while turn fighting two spits over their P106 perch, the only fight going. it was ok though the guy who got the proxie me.
2. if you get repeatedly HO'd on the merge does that count too?
3. most of the LWs are between 8-10k the fights at 5k
4. are you sure you're not a moron instead of a bozon?
:D
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Originally posted by storch
I just logged off a little bothered by spits at 20k. the allies are either
1. in their ack
2. HO'n
3. at 20K looking for a cherry pick
4. all of the above
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LOL you want a Allied perspective?
1. LW come in 25k+ (allied usually 10 to 15k cause we fighting on our side of channel)
2. 190s Dive, HO pass, zoom back to alt. repeat or they
see they lost alt and just dive to deck n run.
3. and yes LW play in thier ack too (when allies make it to east side of channel).
4. the MA gang bang is alive n well in CT
last night 1st 4 190s i engaged all HO passed n run.
2 of the 190s (same guy) was using the pause button warp n roll, he was fine till u started to fire on him and a warpin he would go till he got out of guns.
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Originally posted by whels
Originally posted by storch
I just logged off a little bothered by spits at 20k. the allies are either
1. in their ack
2. HO'n
3. at 20K looking for a cherry pick
4. all of the above
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LOL you want a Allied perspective?
1. LW come in 25k+ (allied usually 10 to 15k cause we fighting on our side of channel)
2. 190s Dive, HO pass, zoom back to alt. repeat or they
see they lost alt and just dive to deck n run.
3. and yes LW play in thier ack too (when allies make it to east side of channel).
4. the MA gang bang is alive n well in CT
last night 1st 4 190s i engaged all HO passed n run.
2 of the 190s (same guy) was using the pause button warp n roll, he was fine till u started to fire on him and a warpin he would go till he got out of guns.
it must have been when wilbuz and his merry sychophants were on. I have seen them do that as allied as well as axis players. oh well I guess that makes it right and good then. the point was (no, not the one on your heads) that we should attempt to create a slightly different style of play in here by example and exhortation. I'm staying between 8-10K max. if nothing else it will help to continue to improve one's skills against the players like you that need ack, spits, alt and numbers to prevail. to quote time honored wisdom "I don't care how they do things at johnny jones' house" carry on sir.
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"pause" button ... (cheater) ... banned for few minutes ...
so easy :cool:
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Storch,
I played almost exclusively LW since the AvA opend unless I switched to even out the numbers. I don't know about puffy acks but field guns are very weak - to the point you can ignore them for a short while. They make big bang when they hit but very little damage. The ONLY time I got killed by acks was when I landed a Hurri at an axis base and sat on the runway till I died (got to a full stop without anything damaged).
If you can't kill the spits dont blame the acks. If someone thinks he's hiding in it, just go down there and blast him - it's that simple and safe.
Bozon
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Originally posted by whels
3. and yes LW play in thier ack too (when allies make it to east side of channel).[/B]
Fighting over a lone airfield is a bit different from fighting over a port, city, airfield and V-Base that are all within walking distance of each other.
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"190s Dive, HO pass, zoom back to alt. repeat or they
see they lost alt and just dive to deck n run."
Fighting IX in A5 is enough lopsided so that is fully valid tactic. Expect more of it when axis gets A8.
I don't have problem with HO:ing and I have never undersood why some have.
"2 of the 190s (same guy) was using the pause button warp n roll, he was fine till u started to fire on him and a warpin he would go till he got out of guns."
Did you tell that to him on CH200?
-C+
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I think its just a MA type mentality. There are lots of people who arent in squads, and unless they join a mission or two, they mostly fly alone. I know I usually fit that description. Anytime you have a squad that flies together often, they are much more effective than any one person can be alone. In an arena with smaller numbers like the AvA, its going to be even more pronounced. We have to find a way of promoting squads in here and getting people to wing up when they are alone. Ask for a wingman, or if its ok to tag onto an existing formation!
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Yes the allied are unorganized.... Yes the axis are organized...Yes the allied stay in their ack... Yes the LW's come in with advantage from allieds staying over england. ..Yes the allied will climb to 25k...Yes the LW will climb to 25k....Yes the allieds will turn fight....yes the LW will bnz...
My advice to allied get organized or keep quiet about getting crushed. Get out the ack and get to france so the axis will not be at an advantage. The axis will run when the odds are against them. I dont think its fair to expect them to turn fight your spit. Just take our lumps now the speed will even out and they will lose that advantage.
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lol
axis rules cause most battle hardened allies will wait for their p38s, p-51s, and more spitties lol! Allies are quiet and just RE-ORGANISING for 1944 HORDE OFFENSIVE against the tired, experienced, superman Luftwaffe
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Originally posted by Charge
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"2 of the 190s (same guy) was using the pause button warp n roll, he was fine till u started to fire on him and a warpin he would go till he got out of guns."
Did you tell that to him on CH200?
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yep couple 3 times but, dont know if he heard or cared.
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Originally posted by jamusta
I dont think its fair to expect them to turn fight your spit.
Agreed.
The RPS is making players fly to their planes' strengths. The axis folks have apparently recognized that, 1 v 1, their planes have an uphill battle. Why blame them for using the few advantages they do have, and for organizing themselves to compensate?
It seems to me that from now on, at least until the 109Ks come in (which will be awhile), the Axis is going to have to organize and pay attention to tactics in order to survive against the superior allied planes.
- oldman
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Have to agree to a certain extent guys.
However the 78th FG are gearing up as we speak, we have formations,tactics,wingmen and communication worked out, The 47's will be here soon and then proper operations will start....;)
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Let me get this right! Axis with their Finnish squad and JG54 come in one day, and to their credit, did dominate the skies for 1 measly night, and think they can blow their trumpet on how good they are! PULEEEZZEEEEE!!!! EAT MY HORSE NUGGETS! Who ever started this cow paddies, you don't have to apologize to the Allies. Yea, we are disorganized, and yea we've got some things to work on, but even with that we perform fairly well. You numb nuts just happened to find one night where we didn't have allies squads flying. I just hope u guys don't run away, whine, and cry like little babies, when we get our mustangs and tiffies.
SINKER <> AXIS CRUDS
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ahhh nice, the dweebs are just waiting for their EZ mode rides.... P-51s, Spit 16s, u name tha rest lol
I picture this... allies... if they dont shape up their organisation skills...... they will never be on par with the axis and they only way they will beat the axis is to have a HUGE SOVIET STYLE MASSIVE QUANTITY playing for the allies, like a ratio of 20 to 1 in favor of allies....lol
:lol
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Gentlemen,
While we all want to win, whining, name calling, and generally "eating horse nuggets" or suggestiong others do seems to be a bit out of line.
Why don't we, as allies, just organize up, fly together and fly to win, one engagement at a time.
All these posts don't help our Situational Awarness, plane control or gunnery a darn bit.
Lets ORGANIZE and stop the belly achin'!
Starting to feel bad about ever getting into this thread. Thought we were all players here.
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Originally posted by XAKL
Let me get this right! Axis with their Finnish squad and JG54 come in one day, and to their credit, did dominate the skies for 1 measly night, and think they can blow their trumpet on how good they are! PULEEEZZEEEEE!!!! EAT MY HORSE NUGGETS! Who ever started this cow paddies, you don't have to apologize to the Allies. Yea, we are disorganized, and yea we've got some things to work on, but even with that we perform fairly well. You numb nuts just happened to find one night where we didn't have allies squads flying. I just hope u guys don't run away, whine, and cry like little babies, when we get our mustangs and tiffies.
SINKER <> AXIS CRUDS
the point is that irrespective of which easymode ride is featured the favor is always on the ackllied side. add to that clear favoritism by having concentrated ack on the allied side the end result is that inspite of the deck being stacked in your favor somehow you guys manage to come up short.
when you get those uber rides you and perhaps every member of the sad 880th HOgangpicknrun skwadren will gleefully show up to show us "how they really did it during the bigun, dubya dubya two".
I'm not very impressed with the absense of those types of players during this early part of the plane set and it speaks volumes about their nature. perhaps there is a valid historical argument for their absence, something like ummm we weren't operational as a skwadren during this phase of the conflict or something similar. maybe RL is in the way for them currently as a unit.
sinker, while the way you personally play may be historically accurate it is colossally boring to most players and unimaginative on your part. the end result is once you no longer have a 2000 ft. altitude advantage you are amazingly easy to dispatch.
for the most part those players that play the opposition role are used to having to work harder for cartoon victories. there is nothing new here, merely business as usual. it will continue to be thus once you get the flagrantly ubereasymode rides. I suspect you'll see the same level of lopsided victories favoring the axis side as well then.
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geez, Storch....was you trying to get your "view" across? had to post it 3 times did ya?
funny how you called out the following
-2000 ft alt advantage
-HOgangpicknrun ( you did point at a particular skwadren here, though )
-add to that clear favoritism by having concentrated ack on the allied side
now riddle me this:
what squad flys at 17k to 22k alt above their own friendly bases?
what side has ack that shoots at the enemy , while the enemy finds his opponent 17K to 20K alt above their opponents own fields?
what squad attacks in multitude with basically a HO pass EVERY SINGLE MERGE, or least attempts it, then climbs to 5K alt advantage to rinse and repeat, or extends 5K to 6K away.........and runs like heck if it is a 1 on 1, or 2 vs 1, yet what squad attacks 3/4/5/6 on 1 and even then 3 or 4 or 5 or all 6 still are attempting to only HO every pass?
what squad, even though all flying on the same side, has to announce openly on channel #200 WTG everytime one of their squaddies land 2 kills or more? I mean seriously, why must you announce it openly, got to see ya name in lights? hehe
what squad is the most vocal and talks the most jibberish of any other squad in the axis vs allies Arena?
what squad whines the most, unless they are winning by having a NUMEROUS advantage ( NUMEROUS includes Altitude as well as sheer numbers of players )
ever since the JG3 Udet squad started to disappear from the old CT arena, seems you guys have tryed to take over the CT/AvsA arena and act like it is ya'lls domain.........to funny, really also something funny is, when you start getting your arse handed to ya, especially when the sides are even, most of the people in a certian squad start logging off, there is an exception though, and I highly respect those that accept the challenge of flying even numbers or fly being outnumbered by 1 or 2........
and what was that you talking about you flying between 8 & 10 K alt? didn't I catch you up around 17K last night? more than once, over your own fields no less?
got a beauty of a film showing everything I have mentioned in this reply if ya interested.........
just saying you the POT and you calling the "kettle" BLACK..... ( definition: Criticizing others for the very fault one possesses )
( quietly steps back, and calmly waits for the horde to come unglued and start flaming as only Lemmings know how to do...........)
ok, I was able to get my view of the situation across , and I only need this one post :D
TC
edited: dangit all Storch, I should have QUOTED you, now you done gone and erased just about everything I was pointing out..........dagnabit all............not editing my view though....and I enjoy fighting the LOT of all you JG54....;)
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Originally posted by tikky
ahhh nice, the dweebs are just waiting for their EZ mode rides.... P-51s, Spit 16s, u name tha rest lol
I picture this... allies... if they dont shape up their organisation skills...... they will never be on par with the axis and they only way they will beat the axis is to have a HUGE SOVIET STYLE MASSIVE QUANTITY playing for the allies, like a ratio of 20 to 1 in favor of allies....lol
:lol
I guess you gave up on your ride huh? I found this little thread over in the General forums.
tikky
Senior Member
"I want my old spit 5 back!
our new spit 5 is completely underpowered now lol!. pls double the cannon ammo and make the engine a bit more powerful"
The new SpitV isnt good enough for you , so you come over here fly Axis, and insult the Allies. Yet whine like a lil school girl in the MA Forum.
I picture this....................... You will be flying for whatever side has the best planes. You'll probably be posting the same kind of crud against the Axis before Febuary is over.
:lol
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What actually is pretty amazing in this whole... conversation(?), is that we are talking about clear sides people are flying in on the AvA. As small a community as AvA players are, we should indeed (always) choose the side which is suffering most from the pilot shortage.
As far as I know, this whole conversation started during the last weekend, when there was this annual meeting of finnish virtual pilots which reflected to the AvA as an exceptional situation. The participants of the meeting wanted to fly on the same side and what followed, was the situation where the game balance was seriously punched to a 6 vs 16 in favour of the axis (this tho was only the final situation, it wasn't as bad when I logged in). In such a perspective its pretty unfair from my behalf too, to try and convince the other side to use proper tactics (even tho communication is of utmost importance in order to boost the SA).
Tho we finns prefer to fly mostly on axis (and now i am generalizing) we usually try to fly on both sides in order to keep the balance. Expect to see us in the cockpits of the spitfire too in the future. In an arena as small as this, its quite impossible to choose the side one flies in, without making the situation as it was in the saturday.
Getting raped isn't fun, and I totally understand the motivation of certain arguments and accusations here. But lets try to behave and avoid going in to a personal level in certain aspects. Thats got nothing to do with the flying :(
Cheer up m8's!!! :)
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Hey TC we were even up at 30k+ a times last night chasing filth and his pals, does that count against me too? we generally celebrate anyone's victories unless we're in a furball, the guy most likely to do that is tankman. sorry we shot you down so many times last night TC next time we'll look extra close for the handicapped sticker dangling from your rear view mirror and we'll fly with our right hands tied behind our backs for ya, how's that? :D scroll up TC and get your reading glasses all my posts are still there.
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To be fair, Storch and his squaddies dont put out much more trash talk than some of the others floating around. They are just more experienced at it. And also to be fair, every time I've logged on I've seen at least 1 of the JG54 flying allied. Even Storch has taken trips up in the Spit quite regularly to keep the numbers even.
I really dont care about trash talk. Far as I'm concerned, if it bothers you grow a thicker skin. I mean really. Sticks and stones and all that. What I care about is that both LLv and JG/54 have shown time and again that no matter WHO has the better rides, those who fly as a SQAUD will dominate the air in the arena.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not promoting JG/54. Quite the opposite. I'm promoting people to form up in hunting parties and neutralize their threat! We have to shake the "Lone Wolf, Ace of Aces" mentality that one uber pilot will balance an entire squad. Well, maybe when we get the Tempest. But until then, we need teamwork! Thats what I'm promoting.
Think like part of a team, work to find the team, work to help the team, reap the rewards of BEING a team.
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I've run into the Finns before. The map was funrus, and there just happened to be ***12*** 109G's over the island at 15k while I was climbing out (much lower). I promptly said "to hell with this!" and didn't even bother.
My thought at the time, and my earnest suggestion now to the Finns:
You can STILL have a good time, and you can STILL coordinate, but split your forces evenly, designate a "leader" for each group, have 1 group switch teams, and then run missions against each other, but without the other side knowing your plans.
This does the following:
1) lessens the gang-bang by a LOT
2) gives the side you would normally gang up on a defense (the team that switched)
3) gives the team you're on an idea of what kind of fun you're planning, and possibly lets them join in, where normally they would not have the team in place to fly with
4) balances everything, so that even though there is a ganging team on one side, there is also one on the other.
This avoids penalizing the normal players.
But, hey, it's just a suggestion.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
( quietly steps back, and calmly waits for the horde to come unglued and start flaming as only Lemmings know how to do...........)
TC, your posts are “self-flaming”.:p
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Originally posted by Krusty
You can STILL have a good time, and you can STILL coordinate, but split your forces evenly, designate a "leader" for each group, have 1 group switch teams, and then run missions against each other, but without the other side knowing your plans.
Yes, that's how we usually do it. Except for some occasions when FinRus is on (squad nights), and now during last weekend, when we had our winter con...
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rather have the numbers and fly & die than no numbers and fly around and sight see
it is the squads responsibility to balance
if they see they are totally dominating, they should split up and balance out the room - otherwise the ppl they are killing will leave as most do not like to get slaughtered repeatedly
one tactic all squads should honor is to limit the numbers of planes which swoop into a fight, especially if it is a lone plane (me :)). why send the entire squad when one or two would learn more and be better pilots afterwards?
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Here's a suggestion...One thing us finns could do to would be to ask everyone to join "our" vox channel 136 when flying on allied side, and using strictly english only when any non-finn is present. That's how it usually works, but AFAIK the channel isn't advertised either. Or we could ditch 136 alltogether on allied side and use another english only channel, which would be advertised on MOTD. That might make things better organized and balanced?
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Its not about Allies are hoing, allies are alt monkeying, axis are fleeing or what ever one can whine about...
Its about the fact that 190 vs Spits is quite a booring matchup.
Earlier when we had 109s vs Spits the planes where much closer to each other in speed and turning. The speed edge of the 190 is much higher then the speed edge of the 109. The Spits turning edge is much higher over the 190 then over the 109.
This results in the fact that spits need much more of a E advantage to ever catch a 190. While both the 109s and the 190s BnZ spits, which is the way they should do it. The 190s use a much flatter BnZ style with longer flat runs.
This makes Hoing much more tempting for spits if they dont have that extra E because its the only way they feel they can deal with the 190s.
The only way to really deal with this situation in a spit is to get the 190s to stay and fight. Only way to accomplish that is to lure them away from the pack fight and into a 1v1 isloated situation. This takes alot of skill and damn lot of patience.
Personally I cant wait till the allies get their american rides. When they come into operation the Axis wount have the same speed advantage and then the Spits will be able to drop out of the stratosphere.
Tex.
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Originally posted by storch
Hey TC we were even up at 30k+ a times last night chasing filth and his pals, does that count against me too? we generally celebrate anyone's victories unless we're in a furball, the guy most likely to do that is tankman. sorry we shot you down so many times last night TC next time we'll look extra close for the handicapped sticker dangling from your rear view mirror and we'll fly with our right hands tied behind our backs for ya, how's that? :D scroll up TC and get your reading glasses all my posts are still there.
lol, Storch........I must of logged off for bed before then or he left before I got there.
If you gonna make it fair now, you got to use ya toes/feet for joystick controlling and wear a patch over your right eye..........oh, and when you see me you got to dive 2k below n turn/reverse infront of me and give me an instant deflection or high 6 angle at your plane, after all I am still experiencing pain from my shoulder injury over 2 years ago, hehe (digs out handicap sticker) :D
seriously though, do not be sorry for shooting me down, I can take just as much as I dish out.......I think you got me 2 or 3 times that night and I shot you down the sameor near it, soisn't anything complainin about there....btw Storch, you did happen to get 1 or 2 kills on me from behind the 3/9 line, wtg :)
my reference in to you editing was the post I replied to directly under your post, it was showing the same post 3 times in a row, then after I posted I saw only 1 of the 3 identical post remaining and saw where u had edited the one I was replying to, no worries though, seems u took it as I had meant "light heartedly"....
Kong, seems to be stuck on "1 Liners" mode
SA2, not sure where you going with the Trash Talk, I don't think I said anyone Trash Talked.
I agree with your Team vs team concept, and know it works quiet well, have experienced this with a number of simmers/flyers in the AvsA, sometimes you win sometimes you lose, and it doesn't matter what plane type you in, just got to have good communication and team work to be successful, especially when at the disadvantage...........
TC
The Damned
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TexMurphy has it spot on with the assessment of the current setup. maybe it does capture the spirit of the times, it is indeed frustrating in 190s and in spits.
TC I don't take anything seriously let alone anything posted on an obscure BBS. I think you'll find KONG is the same way he's just much more cerebral than the rest of us knuckle draggers but he has a fine sense of humor none the less. he is in fact quite a funny guy.
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Originally posted by storch
TexMurphy has it spot on with the assessment of the current setup. maybe it does capture the spirit of the times, it is indeed frustrating in 190s and in spits.
And so there you have the genius of the RPS. Allies get lots of new planes today, Axis gets 109s all over.
One of the interesting things about the past few days is that it DID illustrate how very long the English and Germans were fighting spits v. FWs. For our purposes, it seemed to me that the period created a lot of new 190A5 ace pilots. I used to consider that plane to be meat on the table - ESPECIALLY if I were in a spit (well....I imagined that it would be that way if I were in a spit). No longer, the quality of the A5 pilots has made up for the plane's deficiencies.
- oldman (who'd still rather be in the spit, of course)
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except that we don't have the reportedly much better handling A3 and that the axis planes are inaccurately modelled. if the instability in the axis planes were not modelled in you would be hearing the howls on the moon and there would be mass exodus from the game. HTC has done well to nerf the axis. this set up confirms the wisdom of their strategy. while frustrating to an extent the RPS is a great challenge for both sides. you guys have done a good job of keeping with the time table and keeping the set fluid. I am tired of the spits though.
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Its gonna be intersting to see what happens now.
We do get the D11s today and that will result in a scissors, stone, paperbag situation.
Both Axis and Allies have planes that can chase down fleeing enemies. Allies have the edge on turning and Axis the edge on climbing.
If the Axis and Allies combine their fleets in a wise way the both of the sides will have a hard time feeling through straight runs (or shallow dives).
I think the key to this part of the rps is to mix it up.
If axis stay in 190s then the D11s will catch em and force em to manouver and the spits come in and finish it off.
If the allies stay in spits then the situation will be very much the same as today except that they will be pushed much harder by the 109s when the fight gets into manouvering allowing the 190s to cherry pick.
In any case the battles will get more complex and there will be many more different situations making it more interesting.
The edge will go to the side with best organization and utilization of the different plane characteristics available. So far I would favor the Axis to be more successfull as they have shown better organization so far.
Tex
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Kong, seems to be stuck on "1 Liners" mode
People who live in stone houses shouldn't throw glasses.
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perhaps every member of the sad 880th HOgangpicknrun skwadren will gleefully show up to show us "how they really did it during the bigun, dubya dubya two".
Perhaps they will,and sooner than you think......
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So far, according to the #'s, the Axis ARE winning this war...
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Yes allied players like to stay in MA (recording on my playtime 9pm-11pm GMT+1) :(
Yesterday was little organinsation and team up vs horde axis as long as one
MA noob got in and talk about "stealing kills" and "switching side to axis
because of that". At this time i log out. :mad:
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
So far, according to the #'s, the Axis ARE winning this war...
Well Mr. Fork,
That comes from the LW having 2 to 1 odds or better in numbers most times.
It also comes, IMHO, from lowering the ack at bases so low that it encourages attacks of bases and enemy aircraft without almost any threat of harm in return. It needs to be turned back up to .7 - the old CT standard for ack.
Also Fuel Burn needs to be turned up more. As is the LW can range all over England for as long as they want - nothing remotely historical about that. Also it prevents the Allies from putting up an effect deffense because they can't get up from their fields without being vulched.
Numbers are the big thing now though - the Axis finally has enough (remember the old CT days when there was 1 Axis squad!) and the Allies are on the short end. Till numbers even out more the ack thing is a real issue. It is turning it into more of a Historical version of the MA with all it's "gamieness" than into something resembling WW2. The RPS was a big step forward for the AvA - lets keep it moving forward.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Perhaps they will,and sooner than you think......
Well I wish they would get their bleeden "FINGER OUT" and make it soon! :D
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We are working on it. Still trying to get organized and set a schedule though.
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Originally posted by Jester
Well Mr. Fork,
That comes from the LW having 2 to 1 odds or better in numbers most times.
It also comes, IMHO, from lowering the ack at bases so low that it encourages attacks of bases and enemy aircraft without almost any threat of harm in return. It needs to be turned back up to .7 - the old CT standard for ack.
Also Fuel Burn needs to be turned up more. As is the LW can range all over England for as long as they want - nothing remotely historical about that. Also it prevents the Allies from putting up an effect deffense because they can't get up from their fields without being vulched.
Numbers are the big thing now though - the Axis finally has enough (remember the old CT days when there was 1 Axis squad!) and the Allies are on the short end. Till numbers even out more the ack thing is a real issue. It is turning it into more of a Historical version of the MA with all it's "gamieness" than into something resembling WW2. The RPS was a big step forward for the AvA - lets keep it moving forward.
Jester, I've managed to keep tabs on the arena most of this past week, and I've been impressed by how even the odds have always been. Don't know what times you've been witnessing an imbalance, but I haven't seen it. With the isolated exception of the Finn Thing over the weekend, people seem to be going out of their way to balance the sides.
I just haven't seen any vulching, or even much combat directly over bases, so I'm not sure why you think the ack is a factor.
Fuel burn works both ways - Spitfires could be loitering over France, too. That's not the source of any perceived imbalance in favor of Axis.
My own opinion is that the Axis is doing well because it has a lot of pilots who are very experienced in LW airplanes, and who make an effort to fly together. Otherwise, I find it almost unbelievable that Spitfires, as a class, could be losing to 109s and FWs.
- oldman
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Well OM....
This post from Treize69 in another thread:
"And I wouldn't complain too much about us hording you, the next move after the second buff raid was a mass Spit and P-47 run at A46- about 15 fighters against less than half a dozen of us left over."
I seen this, whole fight took place at treetop height right between A46 the town and factory with flak blazing away on 3 sides. I personally got hit at least 4 times diving through the flak after a fighter.
On the other hand - after the bombing raid returned to England - two of our guys tring to land after the raid were being vulched by 8+ enemy fighters AT LEAST at A16, right in the middle of the flack and not a damn one of them even got a scratch.
OM, I really don't see how you can say with a "straight face" that the flak settings being set low has no effect on the game play we are seeing. :huh We had it set at .7 (still lower than the MA) as a standard for years in the CT - it was for a reason.
I don't think I am not asking for an advantage for the Allies - it will apply to BOTH SIDES EQUALLY. It wasn't that big a deal all those years we flew the CT - guns could still be taken out - and IIRC vulching still went on - people just weren't as blatant about it.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Yeah..the LW followed us bombers and escort home in a running fight. Ended up following us down when we were landing. Then they rtb'd, we upped fighters and when we got to 46, most LW had logged, leaving like 2 in the arena. Its bound to happen. We do pretty good though as far as keeping sides close, for a player maintained roster.
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Originally posted by Jester
On the other hand - after the bombing raid returned to England - two of our guys tring to land after the raid were being vulched by 8+ enemy fighters AT LEAST at A16, right in the middle of the flack and not a damn one of them even got a scratch.
vultching should be discouraged and I'd almost bet it wasn't a regular. if on the other hand you mean that one guy in a P47 after losing the advantage ran to his ack only to find it deacked and then was shot down in the process being a vultch I have to disagree, it was no vultch it was a justifiable kill.
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Originally posted by storch
vultching should be discouraged
I've tried to disencourage vulching when I've seen that happen - but I can't be online 24h to see what's going on. Both sides have been guilty of this in this setup, it happens from time to time, but I'd like to have an arena without vulchers...
edit: While replying to this thread, the Finns "usually" aren't no more than 2 on 1 when in a fight, the rest are scanning the surroundings..