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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on February 05, 2006, 08:18:37 AM
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IMHO the duty to retreat has never been right or correct! Anytime anywhere.
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/vassilaros/s_420318.html
As the author puts it, when did we become such prey in our own homes?
IMHO if a person comes after me with criminal intent to do harm anytime anywhere you that person should beware. From that point on I should be totally free to react to such an assualt with deadly force. I should NOT have to face legal action from anyone for any reason in such a case.
Granted I should need to prove such was the case.
I guess my point is, I have NO desire to harm anyone. I and everyone else that goes about their daily existance in a peacable manner, being respectful and considerate of the rights of others, should NOT have to cower in fear anytime anywhere from those people that are intent on criminal violence against us.
Not talkin Dodge City or code of the west here. All societies basically seek a peacefull existance do they not?
"An armed society is a polite society." ~~ Robert A. Heinlein
"Every 13 seconds in America someone uses a gun to stop a crime." ~~ Sen. Larry Craig
"We Deserve What We Tolerate." - Mike Rothenberg, aka, Mike Randall
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." --The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001)
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater … confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).
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Originally posted by Yeager2
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Hmmm........
Well just posting an article I read and stating my opinion sooooo..........
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the new law here in florida has not produced the bedlam that the handwringing freedom hating limpwristed liberals proclaimed it would. quite the contrary we are seeing very a polite society in traffic and I suspect that the statisticians will soon report a further decrease in street crime. gone are the strongarmed robbers and carjackers, as are weapons in the hands of criminals. the combination of strictly enforced laws punishing the use of firearms during the commission of felonies coupled with the new laws upholding common sense self defense action has curbed the criminal element significantly. from what I understand many of the jamaican thug/gangers here are now taking up residence in the UK. who'd a thunk it? what I have noticed is an increased enrollment of very rough looking gang type tattooed individuals in local dojos which does concern me to an extent. I hope that the philiosophies taught at most dojos will be a catalyst for a change in the attitudes of some of these young men.
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Originally posted by storch
the new law here in florida has not produced the bedlam that the handwringing freedom hating limpwristed liberals proclaimed it would. quite the contrary we are seeing very a polite society in traffic and I suspect that the statisticians will soon report a further decrease in street crime. gone are the strongarmed robbers and carjackers, as are weapons in the hands of criminals. the combination of strictly enforced laws punishing the use of firearms during the commission of felonies coupled with the new laws upholding common sense self defense action has curbed the criminal element significantly. from what I understand many of the jamaican thug/gangers here are now taking up residence in the UK. who'd a thunk it? what I have noticed is an increased enrollment of very rough looking gang type tattooed individuals in local dojos which does concern me to an extent. I hope that the philiosophies taught at most dojos will be a catalyst for a change in the attitudes of some of these young men.
To me that makes perfect sense!
Someone else a very long time ago said it...........
"The generality of men are naturally apt to be swayed by fear rather than reverence, and to refrain from evil rather because of the punishment that it brings than because of its own foulness."
Aristotle (384-322 bc)
Greek philosopher
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No ... your first duty is to your country, not to yourself. (Just a side note).
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Great article.
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My first duty would be to my country in a Communist society. But this ain't the soviet union.
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To my knowledge Arizona has had that concept since well before I was born. A person cannot be expected to retreat further than their home.
There is no constitutional right to commit burglary, robbery, rape, criminal assault or murder, so if those are your avocation you'd best not figure on doing so with helpless victims in their homes in Arizona. It's been upheld many times.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
My first duty would be to my country in a Communist society. But this ain't the soviet union.
So Kennedy was a Communist? Would you, as an American, do something that would profit yourself but hurt your country?
Believe it or not, but America's way of life and communisum have this same comon goal as "My first duty is to my country", as "My first duty is to myself" would be Anarchy.
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Originally posted by storch
what I have noticed is an increased enrollment of very rough looking gang type tattooed individuals in local dojos which does concern me to an extent. I hope that the philiosophies taught at most dojos will be a catalyst for a change in the attitudes of some of these young men.
This is probably a good thing Storch. Those guys are already tough at street fighting and don't need Karate for that. Any reputable dojo will weed out folks wanting to learn martial arts for antisocial purposes. If anything, the serious students you describe are there to learn restraint and self discipline.
I have met Mr.Takashina (Shotokan) from your area near Miami. He is chief instructor of the JKA Atlantic Region and conducts training camps in Mobile once a year with T. Mikami. Do you or have you trained Shotokan?
Les
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
No ... your first duty is to your country, not to yourself. (Just a side note).
Sorry I disagree MAJORLEY!!!!
Makes me think of...........
"Some people were put on this earth to be slaves. They're unhappy if they're not a slave, and they'll keep searching until they find someplace where they can be one."~~SM 101
And
"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all."~~Nikita Khrushchev
"All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the elevation of the single person."~~Vladimir Lenin
"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual."~~ Benito Mussolini
"The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual"~~Adolph Hitler
"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society."~~Hillary Clinton, 1993
Many of you are well enough off that... the tax cuts may have helped you... We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, San Francisco, June 28, 2004 ~ or...
"...from each according to his means, to each according to his needs." -- Karl Marx, 19th Century
The individual is IMHO what made the U.S. of A. what it is or perhaps what it once was.
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. If someone is trying to harm you or a loved one "for no good reason", kill them. If they have a good reason then you deserve what you get. I guess......
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
So Kennedy was a Communist? Would you, as an American, do something that would profit yourself but hurt your country?
Believe it or not, but America's way of life and communisum have this same comon goal as "My first duty is to my country", as "My first duty is to myself" would be Anarchy.
When J.F.K. said ask not what your country can do for you but etc...
I had a chill run up my spine!
The people that repsonded to WWII did so together MORE because of the preceived threat to their way of life. Rather then for for their country.
"Men who deny individual rights cannot claim, defend or uphold any rights whatsoever. ... The liberals are guilty of the same contradiction, but in a different form. They advocate the sacrifice of all individual rights to unlimited majority rule - yet posture as defenders of the rights of minorities. But the smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." ~~ Ayn Rand
I think I need to add in the thought that there is IMHO nothing wrong with a little anarchy if we remember.............
"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Anglo-Irish playwright, critic
"The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do then in what we are free not to do." Eric Hoffer
American philosopher.
"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live." Oscar Wilde Anglo-
Irish author.
"I think that the sacredness of human life is a purely municipal ideal of no validity outside the jurisdiction. I believe that force, mitigated as far as may be by good manners, is the ultimate ratio, and between two groups of men
that want to make inconsistent kinds of world I see no remedy except force . . . It seems to me that every society rests on the death of men."
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (1841-1935)
American jurist
"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am." ~~ Clarence Darrow (1857-1938)
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Originally posted by Leslie
This is probably a good thing Storch. Those guys are already tough at street fighting and don't need Karate for that. Any reputable dojo will weed out folks wanting to learn martial arts for antisocial purposes. If anything, the serious students you describe are there to learn restraint and self discipline.
I have met Mr.Takashina (Shotokan) from your area near Miami. He is chief instructor of the JKA Atlantic Region and conducts training camps in Mobile once a year with T. Mikami. Do you or have you trained Shotokan?
Les
I never did train in shotokan even though a long time friend is a shotokan practioner. my body type is more suited to in close fighting and grappling. there were some excellent shotokan practioners here and I'm trying to recall the name of an okinawan sensei that ran a large dojo at the YMCA in Hialeah but I don't recall his name right now. I have practiced nisei/sansei goju ryu on and off since 1973
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Storch. Master Chinen is a Goju-ryu master and I've met him before, at a tournament in New Orleans. He's a really nice guy.
Gojo-ryu, get in a stance and become unmoveable. Low solid stances that can't be moved. Jion is a Goju kata at the 3 Dan level for Shotokan. Goju is very strong Karate.
I have studied some Shotokan primarily, and some Tae Kwon Do variations mixed with very limited exposure to Kung Fu (Chinese kick boxing) but this was 30 years ago back in 76. My body style is suited to Goju. I started because I wanted to be able to defend myself. But after time it was the happiest I've ever been in my life. I felt alive. You and I probably started about the same tme. Those were good days weren't they.
Les
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they were some good ol' days. last saturday we had a seminar held at tiger and crane dojo with Honshi Joe Anon, Honshi Manny Saavedra, Honshi Herbie Thompson and a plethora of very talented 4 and 5 dan senseis. I ran into a couple of guys from back in my highschool days and we got to reminiscing, the kids couldn't believe we practiced full contact without any protective gear!!! some of the kids at the dojo where I work out are used to fighting me them in full gear me with just punches and kicks on mainly to not hurt them. they goaded us into an "old guy fight" between myself and my friend. it sure was fun to fight someone I didn't have to chase around the tatami. my kid placed 3rd in forms and kumite with NASKA in 2004. he was out 2005 with injuries but we are working on his good ol'days right now. when I'm doing "Coffin Kata" he'll have nice things to remember.
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If a person enters your home with criminal intent to harm, I believe it to be completely within your rights to end that person's life and to do so with extreme prejudice. In short, empty the magazine.
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One for all, all for one; yeah, first duty is to oneself, and that mutual agreement amongst people to withhold the country's principles isn't some blind allegiance to governmental authority or anything else, but to the preservation of being able to think and act for oneself, freely.
And I wonder how many countries this is true for.
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Originally posted by Sandman
If a person enters your home with criminal intent to harm, I believe it to be completely within your rights to end that person's life and to do so with extreme prejudice. In short, empty the magazine.
Then squeeze off one into your living room wall from your unregistered, untraceable throwdown, put it in the intruders hand, and then call the cops.
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Dance around the dead guy & laugh at him is OK too.
Posting photos of "ice hot stuntaz" with his/her decapitated head photoshoped in OK also
also photoshoping him/her/them/it into that picture of that army chick pointing is cool
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Not so many weeks ago a man here had all charges dropped against him after he killed a guy who broke in. It was daytime, and a fella walked in the front door of his house and behaved in a threatening manner. Fearing for his daughters and his own life the homeowner grabbed a knife and stabbed him in the gut and killed the intruder.
Charges were dropped.
As it should be.