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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chairboy on February 05, 2006, 10:12:46 AM
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A vegan protester (probably driven mad by her latent hunger for meat) was apparently monitored by a Homeland Security agent while picketing a ham store. The agent sat there taking pictures of her, so she walked over and wrote down his license plate number.
He arrested her because of it.
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75151
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. This is getting progressively worse every day, and even the dedicated lunkheads should be starting to see this by now.
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Some fools get carried away with this security stuff, and the heads of some of these agents swell with self importance.
I am sure when and if this goes to a court, it will be tossed out.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
A vegan protester (probably driven mad by her latent hunger for meat) was apparently monitored by a Homeland Security agent while picketing a ham store. The agent sat there taking pictures of her, so she walked over and wrote down his license plate number.
He arrested her because of it.
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75151
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. This is getting progressively worse every day, and even the dedicated lunkheads should be starting to see this by now.
Yea, I cant tell who the terrorists are anymore.
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Hmmmm, HoneyBaked Ham , yummy
BTW we are not "pro-war", we are pro-peace, but some times you have to find peace with the point of a bayonet.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Yea, I cant tell who the terrorists are anymore.
Who said you ever could to begin with??
I'm not saying that this is "right" as the article certainly suggests there was little reason to make any arrest. I doubt we have heard the entire situation however.
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I'm not sure what is more retarded, protesting a ham store or surveillance of ham store protestors. Your tax dollars at work.
http://www.lp.org
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I'm not sure what is more retarded, protesting a ham store or surveillance of ham store protestors. Your tax dollars at work.
http://www.lp.org
amen
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I am sure there are no consequnces for the guy that made this arrest, therefor he made his point. The arrest was the punishment for not bowing, I'm sure he knows that a conviction is a longshot.
Now if we can just get a law passed making it a felony to disobey a police officers command, no matter what it is, we will almost be to the goal.
shamus
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Yea, I cant tell who the terrorists are anymore.
Vegans!
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The arrest and the surveillance are seperate issues. Not having all the facts, I don't reach a conclusion as to wether or not the arrest was appropriate. (Neither should you, Chairboy)
Regarding the surveillance, from your source:
According to the Associated Press, FBI spokesman Bill Carter in Washington, D.C. said that all FBI investigations are conducted in response to information that the people being investigated were involved in or might have information about crimes.
You have a propensity for swallowing whole any media stories that fit your left wing ideology. Many rightwingers do the same thing.
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Makes me proud to work for this govt... Not.
This is why the military is not allowed to participate in law enforcement... Some military folks I know would have intervened in favor of the protestor even if she was a nutter and was probably verbally abusive to the SS thug... er "homeland security detective". Requiring citizens to avert one's eyes from our secret police is not a legitimate homeland defense measure.
And the detective even admitted that he wanted to protect the busted identity of his undercover vehicle... Barney Fife would be embarassed. When you're so incompetent that you blow the cover of your undercover car in the middle of the damn street near a protest, you find another car. Established law has strong precedent that for citizens, there is no assumption of privacy for objects or acts that are out in public. A car parked in the street occupied by a dude taking pictures is public information. There can't be any other interpretation without imposing a radical police state where we must treat any official car or person as invisible. What's next... A cop shoots a dude for no reason, and we must ignore the shooting because the cop wishes to protect his undercover status? If the protestor had refused to be arrested, would she have been shot to protect the identy of that undercover license plate?
A quote from the article:
As for Caitlin Childs' protest against meat eating, the files obtained by the ACLU include the DeKalb County Homeland Security report on the surveillance of Childs and the others. The detective wrote that he ordered Childs to give him the piece of paper on which she had written his license tag number, telling her that he did not want her or anyone else to have the tag number of his undercover vehicle.
The detective did not comment in his report about why his license tag number was already visible to the public.
They know they're wrong but they're SS goons and therefore have no accountability. ACHTUNG!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I'm not sure what is more retarded, protesting a ham store or surveillance of ham store protestors. Your tax dollars at work.
http://www.lp.org
LOL, that's just the perfect comment to this!
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"When meat is outlawed, only outlaws will have meat!"
"Sure they can have my honeybaked ham, when they pry it from my cold dead hands"
"My honeybaked ham has killed less people than Ted Kennedys car"
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You'd have to figure out why she was writing down the license plate. Had the FBI dude committed an accident or crime and attempted to flee, that would have been great.
But he hadn't.
While I do agree that it was a little harsh to arrest her, what would she have done with the license plate number?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
While I do agree that it was a little harsh to arrest her, what would she have done with the license plate number?
Maybe she was worried he was a vegan stalker?
Maybe writing down a license number isnt against any law?
Maybe law enforcement officials should be prosecuted when they arrest someone who they know hasnt actually committed a crime? Seems to me doing so should be prosecuted as a violation of civil rights.
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Originally posted by Dago
Maybe law enforcement officials should be prosecuted when they arrest someone who they know hasnt actually committed a crime? Seems to me doing so should be prosecuted as a violation of civil rights.
Maybe you should get a clue about a couple things. False arrest is a criminal prosecution and is almost never prosecuted against anyone other than LE. Civil rights violations are a common and rather vociferous claim made in arrest situations and I have no personal knowledge of any civil rights violation prosecution against anyone other than LE personnel.
Again, I am not saying the arrest was proper, just that there may have been more to the story than the clip shows. If he screwed up, he screwed up. That is one of the reasons for an office of internal affairs as well as public trials including those of Govt. officials.
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I hope they forced her to eat some yummy ham, that would set her back on the straight and narrow.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
You have a propensity for swallowing whole any media stories that fit your left wing ideology. Many rightwingers do the same thing.
Gunthr, what makes you think that I'm a leftwinger? I didn't vote democrat or green or hippy, get your stories straight.
I look forward to hearing what you think a reasonable excuse for being arrested for writing down a license plate number is. The arresting officer himself stated that THAT was the reason she was arrested, so there's no mystery about that.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Maybe you should get a clue about a couple things. False arrest is a criminal prosecution and is almost never prosecuted against anyone other than LE. Civil rights violations are a common and rather vociferous claim made in arrest situations and I have no personal knowledge of any civil rights violation prosecution against anyone other than LE personnel.
Again, I am not saying the arrest was proper, just that there may have been more to the story than the clip shows. If he screwed up, he screwed up. That is one of the reasons for an office of internal affairs as well as public trials including those of Govt. officials.
Typical police mentality is that the laws do not apply to them, they can do as they please and screw the rights of the citizen, even those who havent committed a crime.
Here is my take, if a police officer arrests me knowing I did nothing wrong, if he takes me into custody with that knowledge, handcuffs me and takes me into his car, he should be prosecuted for kidnapping and denial of civil rights. Give him twenty five years to sit and think about abusing his position.
We will need all the facts in the case to condemn the officer or the "victim", but I for one am getting damn tired of egomanical cops with some god-complex taking advantage of their authority. Try and tell me that doesnt happen.
Maybe he could have told her to stand up, then shot her 3 times when she obeyed?
Now there is a guy who should be prosecuted for attempted murder, and a whole list of other crimes.
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Our public law enforcement operates in the open in the US. They're subject to nearly unlimited public scrutiny, and there is no law that restricts thorough documentation of law enforcement activities by anyone, citizens, suspects, media, etc. It's our main check against law enforcement abuse. Maybe the protestor was going to take the plate number to her lawyer for use as evidence against the department of State Security for abuses of power. But that cop prevented the lawful collection and documentation of information/evidence that was already in the public domain (a license plate in the middle of the street). That opens up a whole can of whoop-a** on that cop and his organization beyond unlawful arrest, as they basically intervened to destroy evidence.
The cop's defense of course is that citizens are not allowed to interfere with ongoing investigations, and they can do pretty much whatever they want if they think anyone is interfering with an ongoing investigation. That is how police in the "real world" can keep gangs from assigning kids to shadow cops with a bullhorn shouting "the guy in front of me is an undercover cop" over and over. Interference with legit law enforcement efforts is not protected. In this case, that justification is pretty much bogus as the SS detective was out in the open covering a public event, and hopefully that will come out in court.
I hope the ACLU pulls out the big guns on this.
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Chairboy,
Please point out where I said he was right. Please point out either of my post's where I said the arrest was proper.
All I said was that there has only been one side of the story put out here in this thread. I did NOT say it was incorrect or not true, I just said that it was only one side of it. I also said there may be more to it that what you saw in the story. If you want to think that because I said that, that I am supporting the officer that is your problem.
Now you make of it what you will. I am not responsible for your assumptions, inferences or prejudice.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0204-04.htm
They've been doing it for year's now. Some of you 'Right wingers', to use a grouping label, should ask yourselves how you'd react if Cilnton did such things.... I thought 'conservatives' were aginst a big goverment? Shows what I know :confused:
It suprises me that some of you so called 'Patriots' support such un-American activities.
I prefer to live moraly..........The dissconnect I find with 'lawful' society is...... Why are our most minor infigments of the law punished most severly?
Why is it, when the major laws of our country are broken, does noone care?
There is a systematic effort to by-pass judical checks and balances IMO..... and who is going to stop Bush and Co.? On the flip side.......What happens when the Democrats win and you can't protest thier platform without being arrested?
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I had a long message typed out on this that equated to: "You all realize that this is exactly what the nation wanted post 9/11 (left and right)... right?" but it then occured to me that this forum has the political aptitude of a 15 year old girl. Please continue handwaiving over a news story that was designed to get people hand waiving.
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"You all realize that this is exactly what the nation wanted post 9/11 (left and right)... right?"
Maybe for some cowards. I'm not afraid, and never was.
Bush looks scared to me. What a coward.
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Gunthr, what makes you think that I'm a leftwinger? I didn't vote democrat or green or hippy, get your stories straight.
I look forward to hearing what you think a reasonable excuse for being arrested for writing down a license plate number is. The arresting officer himself stated that THAT was the reason she was arrested, so there's no mystery about that. - Chairboy
1. I believe you are a left winger based on the content of your political posts. By that I mean "liberal." Correct me if I'm wrong.
2. I reach no conclusion on this arrest because I don't know what the charges were as they pertain to Federal and State Law, and I haven't seen the Probable Cause Affidavit.
Newpaper accounts, as you should know, are NOTORIOUS for getting their facts incorrect. The arrest may or may not be lawful. I'm merely saying that I don't know.
I point this out because in another thread, your thread title stated that proposed legislation by a conservative lawmaker would make protesting illegal. That was obviously false, but a trap a lot of us tend to fall into - of automatically believing what we read in a blog or elsewhere in the media - if it fits our ideology.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I had a long message typed out on this that equated to: "You all realize that this is exactly what the nation wanted post 9/11 (left and right)... right?" but it then occured to me that this forum has the political aptitude of a 15 year old girl. Please continue handwaiving over a news story that was designed to get people hand waiving.
not everyone wanted this, more like 600 odd people living in lala land, a majical place bordered by virginia and maryland.
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And lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater in considering wether surveillance of eco/animal rights terrorists is a legitimate government function:
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/arterror.htm
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True story. I was driving behind an old volvo that had no working brake lights. At a light I was to the side and behind the car(unable to actually signal him)so what I did was write down his plate and call the local police station. I left them a message giving them the plate number car type and color and then went to the super market. About 40 minutes later on the drive home I see another blue volvo and said to myself that looks like the same volvo. I looked at the license plate AND IT WAS the same volvo. This time I was able to stop at the light next to him. His window was down so I yelled over to him and said "excuse me did you know your brake lights are out?" He replied sadly "No I didn't, but I did just get a ticket for it" I almost burst out in laughter over it, but what I really felt was proud that it may have been me than got attention put towards his hazardous vehicle, even though he seemed like a nice guy and didnt have any real way to know his lights werent working. Maybe It stopped a potential accident from happening as well? Especially a night time one.
Guess what I am saying is, writing down someones license plate can be a goooood thing.
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Some of you guys need to calm down and read the title of the article. If it mentions the letters A C L U wich it does, everything in the article needs to be taken witha grain of salt.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Some of you guys need to calm down and read the title of the article. If it mentions the letters A C L U wich it does, everything in the article needs to be taken witha grain of salt.
hehehe True enough.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Some of you guys need to calm down and read the title of the article. If it mentions the letters A C L U wich it does, everything in the article needs to be taken witha grain of salt.
AMEN to that!
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Wow....eagl melting down about the government just because of one kooky cop. Priceless.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
1. I believe you are a left winger based on the content of your political posts. By that I mean "liberal." Correct me if I'm wrong.
You're wrong, dead wrong.
Originally posted by Gunthr
2. I reach no conclusion on this arrest because I don't know what the charges were as they pertain to Federal and State Law, and I haven't seen the Probable Cause Affidavit.
Newpaper accounts, as you should know, are NOTORIOUS for getting their facts incorrect. The arrest may or may not be lawful. I'm merely saying that I don't know.
You say that you reached no conclusion, but I guess I read something else in your original message. If the facts are correct, I think it's terribly unlikely that it was a proper arrest, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Originally posted by Gunthr
I point this out because in another thread, your thread title stated that proposed legislation by a conservative lawmaker would make protesting illegal. That was obviously false, but a trap a lot of us tend to fall into - of automatically believing what we read in a blog or elsewhere in the media - if it fits our ideology.
It doesn't matter if the lawmaker is conservative or liberal, if they propose legislation that erodes the freedoms my forefathers fought and died to gain and keep, they're an idiot. This applies to democratic senators that try to pass laws against gun ownership, and it applies to Arlen Specter if he tries to make it a felony to protest in a 'restricted area'. You know that kook Cindy Sheehan? I think she's doing a lot to taint the memory of her sons sacrifice and whatnot, but I don't think it was appropriate to have her removed from the SOTU address. That was clearly a 'restricted area', btw, and under the proposed law, she would have been guilty of a felony. How's that right? But c'mon, if you want to talk about that, keep it in that thread, don't leak over to this one.
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Well that's the price of protesting in public and picketing without a license. She wrote down a license plate that was most likely unmarked as well. Both parties are responsible for what comes out of this situation.
Presumably, intimidation on the part of the agent by snapping pictures without asking politely first, as professional decorum requires in all photography situations. Lack of respect would provoke anyone to where they might get pissed, but an activist ain't called that for nothing.
I don't know, seems lf pictures were necessary they could have been taken more covertly.
Les
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lol
must be one of those civil liberies eveyone is telling me that I lost since the terrorist bush pushed through his global empire police state patriot act ... can't even record a plate number anymore ..what has the world come to?! impeach bush!!!
or maybe its a high school nerd turned cop over stepping his bounds, probably not the 1st time, which will be thrown out of court
lol - j another "lost rights" ant hill trying to be made into a "I have nothing really to add but bush is wrong" mountain
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Both sides are wrong, and both sides are correct. Liberatarians or any other other political philsophy is the same way, its the diversity that gives this government strength with free choices.
Currently, each side is screaming their own views while putting their fingers in their ears, figuratively of course. Then again, the cores of some groups are doing just that, literally.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You'd have to figure out why she was writing down the license plate. Had the FBI dude committed an accident or crime and attempted to flee, that would have been great.
But he hadn't.
While I do agree that it was a little harsh to arrest her, what would she have done with the license plate number?
Maybe because she has the right to do so.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by FuBaR
True story. I was driving behind an old volvo that had no working brake lights. At a light I was to the side and behind the car(unable to actually signal him)so what I did was write down his plate and call the local police station. I left them a message giving them the plate number car type and color and then went to the super market. About 40 minutes later on the drive home I see another blue volvo and said to myself that looks like the same volvo. I looked at the license plate AND IT WAS the same volvo. This time I was able to stop at the light next to him. His window was down so I yelled over to him and said "excuse me did you know your brake lights are out?" He replied sadly "No I didn't, but I did just get a ticket for it" I almost burst out in laughter over it, but what I really felt was proud that it may have been me than got attention put towards his hazardous vehicle, even though he seemed like a nice guy and didnt have any real way to know his lights werent working. Maybe It stopped a potential accident from happening as well? Especially a night time one.
Guess what I am saying is, writing down someones license plate can be a goooood thing.
wow, you're a jerk.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Maverick
Chairboy,
Please point out where I said he was right. Please point out either of my post's where I said the arrest was proper.
All I said was that there has only been one side of the story put out here in this thread. I did NOT say it was incorrect or not true, I just said that it was only one side of it. I also said there may be more to it that what you saw in the story. If you want to think that because I said that, that I am supporting the officer that is your problem.
Now you make of it what you will. I am not responsible for your assumptions, inferences or prejudice.
I am reposting this as due to a "senior moment" I did not atribute the response to the proper person. It should have been directed to Dago and not Chairboy.
Chairboy I apologise for my putting your name at the top of the post.
I stand by them as written otherwise.
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damn fubar, I'm kinda with ack-ack on that one.
ya no good snitch :p
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Originally posted by Eagler
lol
must be one of those civil liberies eveyone is telling me that I lost since the terrorist bush pushed through his global empire police state patriot act ...
There it is... was waiting for Eagler's favorite straw man.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
wow, you're a jerk.
ack-ack
You're right I should have let you rear end him first :D
:t
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If you can rationalize somebody being arrested for writing down a series of numbers that are displayed in public you probably have long term unresolved anger issues, in otherwords, you're probably an *******.
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Originally posted by Suave
If you can rationalize somebody being arrested for writing down a series of numbers that are displayed in public you probably have long term unresolved anger issues, in otherwords, you're probably an *******.
Or... a dip**** government employee working for a dip**** organization.
Dude... there is no job security like security. ;)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
wow, you're a jerk.
ack-ack
I'm sure Furball is trolling. At least I certainly hope so.
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Originally posted by Suave
I'm sure Furball is trolling. At least I certainly hope so.
Most people don't take driving seriously enough, IMHO. While I wouldn't necessarily go as far as Fubar did, I can't fault him for it. He's not the one driving around with an unsafe vehicle.
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So you'd rather rat on someone instead of just letting them know that their tail lights aren't working?
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Originally posted by Suave
So you'd rather rat on someone instead of just letting them know that their tail lights aren't working?
You got a problem reading? I said I was unable to tell them. Try reading the whole story before acting like I did something wrong, thanks.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
1. I believe you are a left winger based on the content of your political posts. By that I mean "liberal." Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You're wrong, dead wrong.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
2. I reach no conclusion on this arrest because I don't know what the charges were as they pertain to Federal and State Law, and I haven't seen the Probable Cause Affidavit.
Newpaper accounts, as you should know, are NOTORIOUS for getting their facts incorrect. The arrest may or may not be lawful. I'm merely saying that I don't know.
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You say that you reached no conclusion, but I guess I read something else in your original message. If the facts are correct, I think it's terribly unlikely that it was a proper arrest, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I point this out because in another thread, your thread title stated that proposed legislation by a conservative lawmaker would make protesting illegal. That was obviously false, but a trap a lot of us tend to fall into - of automatically believing what we read in a blog or elsewhere in the media - if it fits our ideology.
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It doesn't matter if the lawmaker is conservative or liberal, if they propose legislation that erodes the freedoms my forefathers fought and died to gain and keep, they're an idiot. This applies to democratic senators that try to pass laws against gun ownership, and it applies to Arlen Specter if he tries to make it a felony to protest in a 'restricted area'. You know that kook Cindy Sheehan? I think she's doing a lot to taint the memory of her sons sacrifice and whatnot, but I don't think it was appropriate to have her removed from the SOTU address. That was clearly a 'restricted area', btw, and under the proposed law, she would have been guilty of a felony. How's that right? But c'mon, if you want to talk about that, keep it in that thread, don't leak over to this one. - Chairboy
It occurred to me when I read your post that the agent was surveiling the subject because she was a suspect, or an associate of a suspect, in a criminal act (fire bombing, for instance)
It also occurred to me that when the subject became aware of the agent and approached to photograph his vehicle tag, it could personally identify the agent... if the tag was not a fake tag, which is usually used in surveillance. This could endanger the agent, considering some of the violent acts comitted by eco/animal rights terrorists, not to mention that there may be specific laws against an intentional act like this.
It occurred to me that there may be more to this story than published.
My original post was to point out that these things did not occur to you because you are biased... it never occurred to you that the agent may have been protecting the civil rights of American citizens who are victims. After all, when the ACLU asserts something, it must be true - right?
You stated: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. This is getting progressively worse every day, and even the dedicated lunkheads should be starting to see this by now. - as though there is no other possible explanation for what happened. (BTW, if there was something improper here, I will be outraged.)
I agree that we need to keep a close eye on our government. But I have the impression that you hate Bush so much that it leads you to errors in critical thought. If I'm wrong, I apologise.
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I would like to assume that these guys are good enough not to get caught by a non pro.
It looks to me like he was engaged in overt surveillance.
shamus
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There were 'if you've done nothing wrong, why should you be concerned about big brother legislation' and 'oh, sure, just let the terrorists waltz right in and do thier thing un-hindered' comments in response to the wiretap and patriot act fiasco.
The point repeatedly made here by several of us anti- big brother democrats and republicans was the rights of citizens are being infringed by government.. and often by govenment in operative forms well outside the original intent (as the citizens understood it) of the original legislation.
This looks like a typical example of government empowered beyond reason in action against it's citizens using methods beyond reason.
And the reality is this: Citizens discovering the government intrusions on their privacy become not just 'suspected criminals', but criminals-in-fact by the simple act of writing down a government agents license plate number or going to the media with evidence of government abuse of constitutional protections. Those of us that have decided we'd rather not become 'criminals' in the eyes of these new laws discover that even protesting these new laws makes them criminals...
Face it.. you are no longer American Citizens. You are now all subjects of the American Protectorate. Defiance is illegal. Exposing the SS stooges is illegal. It is simple government logic that Vegans, by predeliction for organized anti-social behavior; are a threat to the homeland security of your fellow subjects, therefore it is illegal for any 'known' vegan to protest the federally inspected and protected meat distribution or processing and transportation system.
Resistance is futile.. and illegal. Speak out against the new order.. you become a criminal.
Comrades! Stand up for your Leaders! Homeland Uber Alles!
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Originally posted by Suave
So you'd rather rat on someone instead of just letting them know that their tail lights aren't working?
That depends on whether the someone is driving like an ******* or not.
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this is all about one over zealous undercover cop ... let me know if the arrest stands up in a court of law
you guys remind me of the muslims going ape dung over a cartoon... planning on burning any police stations over this? lol
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Eagler,
In the interests of peace, I think we could really do a lot to keep things civil here if you were more clear on which parts of the bill of rights/constitution you don't believe apply anymore so there isn't any confusion.
Best regards,
Chairboy
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Eagler,
In the interests of peace, I think we could really do a lot to keep things civil here if you were more clear on which parts of the bill of rights/constitution you don't believe apply anymore so there isn't any confusion.
Best regards,
Chairboy
The parts that he figures he wont need, you know like the guy who does not own a gun, and never will feeling the 2nd has no value and should be ignored.
shamus
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Eagler, what if it's you that winds up handcuffed, hustled off the streets, debreifed by fedreal stooges and then handed over to the local police to be printed, mug shotted, has to get a lawyer and defend themselves and winds up with a criminal arrest (without conviction) record from 'one over zealous undercover cop'.
Lemme know if the arrest stands up in court. Have fun wearing the criminal label. After all, it's just one over-zealous cop.
Working for one over zealous government agency that's interpeting the law over-zealously sponsored by an over zealous political hack.
In your best intrests, of course; Comrade.
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I had a female PI outside who cocked an attitude when I asked her what she was doing infront of my house.
She cocked an attitude with me, so, I gave her my story....
Get this, your unwanted here, your attitude is unacceptable, I don't take kindly to strangers, and your not wanted here, keep that in mind, and I left.
The next day there was a male PI who when he saw me, came up to me showed me his Goverment ID and I explained to him what happend with the lady, he said that their not suppose to sit in their vehicles with the car running, and windows down, and their suppose to show their ID not their buisness card.
Some of these PI's are fluffied up.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Some of these PI's are fluffied up.
:rolleyes:
Some?
Kid, you now have a file. You have been labeled as a dissedent; at least. This means that you no longer enjoy the privledges of privacy. You are liable to be stopped, detained, questioned and possibly arrested for your defiance of government stooges. They can stop by your residence at will; and if in possession of a 'secret warrant' issued by a 'secret officer of the court' invade your home in the dark of night wearing masks and waving weapons, seize all your possesions, your family and your worthless butt and make you pay dearly for speaking your mind to an operative of the Homeland Defense Force.
Sleep tight, Comrade.
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hang
it happens everyday
it happened way before 911 and the actions bush took and it will happen way after
the average cop is the kid you picked on in High school getting his revenge
it's the 60's all over again .. lol
dam pigs ..lol
imo you are making a mountain out of a mole hill ... please carry on
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don't poke em in the eye
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Some?
Kid, you now have a file. You have been labeled as a dissedent; at least. This means that you no longer enjoy the privledges of privacy. You are liable to be stopped, detained, questioned and possibly arrested for your defiance of government stooges. They can stop by your residence at will; and if in possession of a 'secret warrant' issued by a 'secret officer of the court' invade your home in the dark of night wearing masks and waving weapons, seize all your possesions, your family and your worthless butt and make you pay dearly for speaking your mind to an operative of the Homeland Defense Force.
Sleep tight, Comrade.
Did you see the dateline report of the pedophile homeland defense officer who came to the sting house looking for sex with a 12yr old??
Mhhm, not every homeland defense person is good, the goverment is corrupt in areas, everyone knows it, their just afraid to say it.
I have my freedom, it's my right to say as I wish, and if you take it from me, so be it, I will be a martyr.
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and if you take it from me, so be it, I will be a martyr.
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silly goof...martyrdom is for religious zealots and god fanatics......
If you did as you say you would, and got vaporized in the process, some might call you a hero, or a post-mortum patriot....I would just call you a silly goof for getting vaporized.
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such hysteria ... Mini D was right, especially considering the facts are not all in...
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Originally posted by Eagler
hang
it happens everyday
it happened way before 911 and the actions bush took and it will happen way after
Yes it did.... point is cops that do this type of thing should not be tollerated... they are the WORST kind of criminal. They make life more dangrous and burdensome- not to just the citizen, but professional & ethical officers as well.
do you know what S.S.S.S. stands for .... thank god reports aren't allowed like that anymore....(Saw Suspect Shot Same)
I wonder if you have ever been on the wrong side of an unprofessional officer? Or are you the perfect WASP? I could pull out a number of stories, lets just say ... I've seen pleanty of professional and unprofessional officers.
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Hawklore, what do you mean by "PI"?
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Private Investegators and others..
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But PIs aren't cops...
...I don't think.
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PI's are not cops,
hawk, why were they watching you? you cheating on your wife? fake a injury for insurance money?
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Did you see the dateline report of the pedophile homeland defense officer who came to the sting house looking for sex with a 12yr old??.
Did you ever read about the lives I saved or the times I put my life in danger for some random citizen? How about the one where I rescued a kidnapped 17 year old from 2 wanted felons?.. yea well it was just daily stuff, and a bit dull.
I guess reporting everything an average cop does each day is kinda dull... but the "bad" stuff makes headlines and brings out the knee jerk reactionaries who are quick to believe everything (bad) the media reports about the police.
Is your real 'fight' with the cops who are doing a job using the tools (laws) handed to them, or the numbskulls who wrote the laws?... and the people who keep putting them in office?
And before you stomp off thinking being arrected "for writing a lisence number" is all that out of the rhelm of legal reality, read California penal code 148PC
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html
Someone wrote this law, this way, and handed it to ever police officer in Ca to use, abuse.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Did you ever read about the lives I saved or the times I put my life in danger for some random citizen? How about the one where I rescued a kidnapped 17 year old from 2 wanted felons?.. yea well it was just daily stuff, and a bit dull.
I guess reporting everything an average cop does each day is kinda dull... but the "bad" stuff makes headlines and brings out the knee jerk reactionaries who are quick to believe everything (bad) the media reports about the police.
Is your real 'fight' with the cops who are doing a job using the tools (laws) handed to them, or the numbskulls who wrote the laws?... and the people who keep putting them in office?
And before you stomp off thinking being arrected "for writing a lisence number" is all that out of the rhelm of legal reality, read California penal code 148PC
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html
Someone wrote this law, this way, and handed it to ever police officer in Ca to use, abuse.
The beef isn't with local law enforcement. As a local law enforcement veteran, tell us; just what do you[/i] think about 'homeland security'; aka 'The Feds' and they way they go about their jobs?
Around here, the county cops and sherrifs & volunteer fire dept rank 'The Fed's' lower than the bottom life habitual criminal trash our local cops risk their lives against every day keeping their neighbors safe.
And, you know as well as I do what input you and your neighbors, cops and all; had with regards to the enactment and reorganization of the Federales new 'Security Force', their marching orders, priorities, or their code of conduct. Those rat bastards doing anything[/b] to make local law enforcement a respectable job that's do-able and safe?
Thought not.
In an 'us vs them' rant against the goverment and thier stooge thugs intrusions into local lives, rights and liberties I don't consider local Peace Officers 'them'.
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jezzz can't even buy ham in peace anymore. WTF
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
While I do agree that it was a little harsh to arrest her, what would she have done with the license plate number?
Does it really matter? The car was in a public place for all to view. Recording a detail of an object in a public place should never lead to arrest and/or confiscation of the recorded information.
Terror
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This is just proof that the terrorists have won the war no matter what the body count is. They hated our freedom and liberty and wanted a stop to it. They got it with the patriot act and the DHS.
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Originally posted by rpm
This is just proof that the terrorists have won the war no matter what the body count is. They hated our freedom and liberty and wanted a stop to it. They got it with the patriot act and the DHS.
LOL - sure