Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on February 05, 2006, 06:46:23 PM
-
In the Superbowl of all freaking places:
Roethlisberger never crosses the endzone with the freaking ball, and the POS refs say it's a touch down.
FRUG when are the refs gonna call the game and not try to play!?!?!?!?
-
Yup, I thought the same. Just the fact he dragged the ball up after the play emphasized it wasnt close
-
and the ticky tack pushing off against seattle in the endzone what a bunch of crap
-
GO STEELERS
-
The ball was over the line when the guy was airborne, which is enought to call it a touchdown. Do u really want a French guy to teach you the rules?:D
-
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
The ball was over the line when the guy was airborne, which is enought to call it a touchdown. Do u really want a French guy to teach you the rules?:D
Exactly. He got it across while going down, then hit another player with it, which pushed it back under him as he hit the ground. Hence, the first replay shot which showed him shoving it forward while on the ground. That was some time after the TD :)
culero (and how about Fast Willy?)
-
Roethlisberger never crosses the endzone with the freaking ball
yes he did the ref said so... :p
-
Im not surprised
Referees in Detroit suck!
this is like watching 2004 Lakers vs Pistons NBA finals. Garbage calls cost the Lakers the 4th NBA title lol
-
Originally posted by soda72
yes he did the ref said so... :p
well the ref is blind.
-
GO STEELERS
-
go corrupt, blind refs you mean.
-
Bad call again. Hassleback was in the good.
Oh well, it happens.
-
man what stinks oh yeah the Seahawks:rofl
-
:lol
-
I will be 100$ richer:aok
-
fumble!!!!
lol:D
-
No fumble. Down by contact. Would be nice if it was tho.
-
told ya the seahawks suck:rofl
-
Originally posted by Bodhi
In the Superbowl of all freaking places:
Roethlisberger never crosses the endzone with the freaking ball, and the POS refs say it's a touch down.
Not enough to see on video to overturn. The call would have stayed the same no matter what the official called on the field.
-
STEELERS WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
STEELERS WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
:D
-
STEELERS WIN AND SEACHICKENS ARE TEH SUCK!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl
-
Originally posted by Bodhi
In the Superbowl of all freaking places:
Roethlisberger never crosses the endzone with the freaking ball, and the POS refs say it's a touch down.
FRUG when are the refs gonna call the game and not try to play!?!?!?!?
I didnt care who won the game, but it looked like the ball crossed the plane of the goal line before being pushed back to me.
-
Originally posted by 1K3
Im not surprised
Referees in Detroit suck!
If memory serves correct the superbowl is also the superbowl of refs.
Only the best in the league get to officiate in it.
-
Originally posted by Dago
I didnt care who won the game, but it looked like the ball crossed the plane of the goal line before being pushed back to me.
Me neither. I just hoped for a good game.
The nose of the ball broke the plane before the player and the ball were down.
Personally Im all in favor of going back to the old original rules of the game when just breaking the plane would not have been good enough.
In the old rules in order to score you literally were supposed to touch the ball down in the endzone.
That is why its called a "Touchdown"
That way it would eliminate any question in such matters
-
Not enough to see on video to overturn. The call would have stayed the same no matter what the official called on the field.
Exactly right. To over turn a call you need "Indisputable Evidence." The ball might have (just barely) crossed the plane. Had the ref said NO touchdown, there wouldn't have been enough evidence to overrule it.
The ref said TOUCHDOWN, and there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it.
Either way the ref on the field called it, was how it was going to stand (though I personally don't think it went in at all).
-
See Rule #4
-
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
In the old rules in order to score you literally were supposed to touch the ball down in the endzone.
That is why its called a "Touchdown"
That way it would eliminate any question in such matters
Sounds very good to me.
-
Oh, also about the pushing off call. While it may have been minor, it was there. And if there's one game where the Refs should not let anything happen or lose control it is the superbowl.
-
Ball crossed the plane. He pushed off, although it probably didn't affect the play.
A well-called game.
-
What you saw on your FE was different then what he saw on his FE. On his box the ball clearly crossed the line and the host saw it as such. Maybe there was a dropped packet or a little lag that caused you to miss what really happened.
-
maybe some high rollers made a bet on the game so the refs were payed
to throw the game
Seattle Fans:rofl
-
It looked like the ball just touched the line on the replay. Even if you disagree with that, it was most certainly NOT conclusive evidence and therefore not sufficient to overturn the original call by the man on the scene.
Good work by the ref IMHO. You don't overturn calls unless the evidence is overwhelming. Too bad he wasn't there when Brady fumbled...
And the Seattle WR did push off. That's offensive pass interference unless you are blind or can't read the rulebook.
-
Originally posted by Sandman
The call would have stayed the same no matter what the official called on the field.
Exactly. You have to go with the original call on that one.
-
The refs didn't drop passes at crucial times
The refs didn't make a bad pass at a crucial time
And the refs didn't bite hard on a trick play and get beaten deep
The Steelers made the plays when they needed to be made and the Seahawks didn't. The better team won the game.
-
I'm a fan of neither team, but watched the game. That push off call was BS, that kind of contact happens every play. I didnt see anything on the replays showing the ball in the endzone, airborne or otherwise. It was close though and the rules being what they are, the ref called it in. Lastly, on the pass that got Seattle to the 1 yard line that was called back due to "holding". That was a terrible call that turned the game in my opinion. I had been hoping to see a good game, but it seemed like the reffing was very one sided. Oh well.
-
See Rule #4
-
The hawks lost the game. They were the better team and they lost. ***** happens :cry
-
the superbowl is boring. i watched the first 1/2 hour or so before it sent me off to sleep.
maybe not understanding what the hell was going on, or the constant commercial breaks had something to do with it.
-
The commercials are usually the best part of the superbowl! Perhaps not so much this year. Ahh, the dotcom boom, I miss your fantastic superbowl commercials...
-
My buddy was the one called for holding on the pass down to the one yard line for Seattle. I could tell he wasn't happy when they zoomed in on him and he was walking back talking with the ref. BUT they called it and technically it was holding.
-
The flag on Hassleback for making a tackle after the interception was one of the worst calls I've ever seen.
-
It did not look like the ball crossed the line IMHO.
-
The ball didn't cross the line, but when he dove and was in the air, the tip of the ball was on top of the goal line from what I saw.
-SW
-
Originally posted by Furball
the superbowl is boring. i watched the first 1/2 hour or so before it sent me off to sleep.
maybe not understanding what the hell was going on, or the constant commercial breaks had something to do with it.
The NFL has done everything in their power to make football completely unwatchable.
-
The ball definitely crossed the line when he was pushed back by the tackler.
You guys are a riot.
-
Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
The ball didn't cross the line, but when he dove and was in the air, the tip of the ball was on top of the goal line from what I saw.
-SW
And the tip of ball crossing the plane of that with line is a TD per the rules.
-
The bad call was when that Seattle receiver caught the pass, tucked it in, got hit & fumbled & the refs blew the whistle, not reviewable.
-
Originally posted by BigGun
And the tip of ball crossing the plane of that with line is a TD per the rules.
Fact.
-
Originally posted by Fruda
The ball definitely crossed the line when he was pushed back by the tackler.
You guys are a riot.
Using TiVo, we replayed that one again and again. I saw nothing definitive one way or the other. Roethlisberger's arm appeared to cover the tip.
-
Originally posted by BigGun
The bad call was when that Seattle receiver caught the pass, tucked it in, got hit & fumbled & the refs blew the whistle, not reviewable.
Also fact.
-
Originally posted by Sandman
Using TiVo, we replayed that one again and again. I saw nothing definitive one way or the other. Roethlisberger's arm appeared to cover the tip.
I recorded it on tape and rewound constantly. The ball was over the line when he was pushed back by the tackler.
-
flag on hasslebeck, sure, bad call, the throw immediately before that was even worse.
-
Originally posted by Fruda
I recorded it on tape and rewound constantly. The ball was over the line when he was pushed back by the tackler.
The official on the field certainly thought so.
-
Originally posted by Sandman
The official on the field certainly thought so.
He was correct in his judgement.
-
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/super.jpg)
-
Originally posted by BigGun
And the tip of ball crossing the plane of that with line is a TD per the rules.
I know, but breaking the plane and crossing the line are two different things. It was a TD, but it didn't cross the line, it just broke the plane.
-SW
-
Originally posted by Fruda
He was correct in his judgement.
Not enough evidence to prove otherwise. ;)
-
Originally posted by Eagler
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/super.jpg)
:rofl
-
Originally posted by Eagler
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/super.jpg)
Keep whining. It may not give the Seahawks a totally undeserved Super Bowl victory, but if it makes you feel better, keep it up.
-
ain't whining, I could of cared less who won the thing - it was all I could do not to turn the channel
just some of the calls makes one wonder ...
-
Originally posted by Eagler
ain't whining, I could of cared less who won the thing - it was all I could do not to turn the channel
just some of the calls makes one wonder ...
Here's a tip: Put a tape in, record the game, and rewind after it's over. The only bad call was the Hasselbeck tackle, but that didn't make a bit of difference on the outcome of the game.
-
Here are a few interesting articles on the officiating.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ll/13801313.htm (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ll/13801313.htm)
-
Originally posted by Paxil
Here are a few interesting articles on the officiating.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ll/13801313.htm (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ll/13801313.htm)
Miami Herald and Fox Sports, eh? I'm laughing my bellybutton off already.
-
Originally posted by Paxil
Here are a few interesting articles on the officiating.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ll/13801313.htm (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ll/13801313.htm)
Dude... if they had a VCR they would know that there were no bad calls made (except for the Hasselbeck tackle).
-
Originally posted by Sandman
Dude... if they had a VCR they would know that there were no bad calls made (except for the Hasselbeck tackle).
Oh, the Hasselbeck tackle was a horrible call. But, if they reversed the penalty call, it wouldn't have made a bit of difference on the outcome.
The Steelers won before it even started. And if Ben didn't have that fractured thumb, it would've been a total blowout. I mean come on, that fracture seriously affected his pass accuracy and power, and it showed (the interception near the goal line being the most prominent --- super wobbly and barely any velocity).
-
Yup, some questionable calls for sure but thats just the way the game is played. It was there for the hawks to win and they let it go. Seattle was not beaten by a better team, they clearly played below their best effort and let the game go to the steelers. Hawks needed to play their best and they didn't.
Thats all I got to say about it.
-
What the hell is up with all the Seahawks crap on this board?
-
It doesn't take a Seahawks fan to recognize a poorly officiated game.
-
who the hell is fruda :aok
-
Originally posted by Sandman
It doesn't take a Seahawks fan to recognize a poorly officiated game.
It also doesn't take a Steelers fan to see that there was only one bad call the entire game.
-
Originally posted by Yeager
who the hell is fruda :aok
someone who doesn't want "his" win tainted by the poor play calling is my guess .. maybe the anti-Rip :)
-
If you look very close when you freeze it when his forward momentum is stopped, you see a brown smudge across the line, that is the ball..
I thought the endzone pushoff was very slight, but it was there...
Now yall know how us Jag. fans feel with some of the games the refs call down here..
Infact, the refs even missed a late hit call on seattle.
-
Although the touchdown didnt look like it got in to me, they probably would have scored on the next down. Its all the other calls that bothered me. You cant blame a team that is continually called with bad calls to keep playing hard.
-
i say do away with all the silly rules and refs and call the game rugby.
-
Originally posted by BigGun
The bad call was when that Seattle receiver caught the pass, tucked it in, got hit & fumbled & the refs blew the whistle, not reviewable.
That was the only truly bad call I saw. Caught, tucked away, 2 steps, then he fumbled.
-
wasnt a bunch of silly calls, was a bunch of silly mistakes though.
yeager, neither team played like they did to get there, neither team looked good. Pittsburgh just made less mistakes and a couple big plays. overall the game was not what i expected or hoped for other than the steelers winning.
the officials have been under attack all playoffs and rightly so after a few of the calls they made, this game was not decided by poor officiating as much as poor play.
-
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/128557430.jpg)
-
Neither QB performed well at all. The best pass of the night was from Randle El.
-
Originally posted by killnu
wasnt a bunch of silly calls, was a bunch of silly mistakes though.
yeager, neither team played like they did to get there, neither team looked good. Pittsburgh just made less mistakes and a couple big plays. overall the game was not what i expected or hoped for other than the steelers winning.
the officials have been under attack all playoffs and rightly so after a few of the calls they made, this game was not decided by poor officiating as much as poor play.
I would haveto agree here.
The offences of both teams were rather...offencive IMO and not in a positive way. Defences of both teams played...not bad. Not GREAT but not bad.
Lotta mental errors Seahawks just seemed ot make most of them and I almost sensed in the 3rd quarter they were gonna let it slip away.
Two of the biggest mental breakdowns ( a better word would be meltdown)the SH had was at the end of either half.
Hadto be the poorest use of the two minute drill I've seen in a long time and was only made worse at the end of the game by utterly atrocious clock managment and play calling.
I havent seen clock managment that bad Since Denny Green used to give me ulcers with the Vikings.
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/128557430.jpg)
Now now
Dont go blaming the officials.
I warned you about this But you wouldnt listen
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
WTG with the Hawks.
dont go jinx yourself now;)
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Thanks Dred. Not worried about luck, too much talent ;) Long time coming, I've waited 27 years for this.
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yeaaa I remember way back saying the same thing about the Vikings who at the time had either pro bowl players or former probowl players at nearly every position.
remember. There is a reason they play the games ;)
that being said...Good luck.
I'll be rooting for em just because they dont have one yet
See?
tried to tell ya about jinxing yourself.
Officials didnt do it.. You did;)
-
Originally posted by Tarmac
Ball crossed the plane. He pushed off, although it probably didn't affect the play.
A well-called game.
You were watching this years super bowl right? I think you are definitely NFL referee material:lol
-
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Now now
Dont go blaming the officials.
I warned you about this But you wouldnt listen
See?
tried to tell ya about jinxing yourself.
Officials didnt do it.. You did;)
The Hawks have overcome bad calls all season, and there have been some really bad calls this year in the NFL (in recent memory, the call in Indy that was ruled incomplete)...never in my wildest dreams did I calculate at least 4 horrible calls in a Superbowl match up. The only thing I can think of is that this is the NFL's way of keeping a coach silent, after Holmgren spouted off about the Refs in the pathetic play calling this past year when the Giants were in town.
-
Well, as an uninterested bystander (the Super Bowl was the only NFL game I watched all season) I can state that I thought the officiating stank.
The "push-off" was a pisant call.
The "illegal block" wasn't a block at all.
The "fumble" call, which was rightly overturned, was laughable.
Sure, the refs are human beings, and will make mistakes. Yet these refs are supposed to be the best there is at their occupation, and the obvious shouldn't be cause for such obvious consternation.
Besides, I don't believe referees are as pure as the driven snow. Some undoubtedly sell their virtue to the highest bidder. I'm not saying that that is what happened here, just admitting the possibility.
Which raises the question: What does the NFL do to police the conduct of its referees? How serious are they about it? When was the last time NFL referees were sacked for corruption?
"Say it aint so, Joe!"
-
the "push off". one question for ya...did he create space for himself and prevent the DB from making play on ball by putting his hand on DBs chest and push(right in front of camera and official)?
"b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass." from NFL rule book to help make decision.
"tikky tak" or not, rules are rules.
-
after Holmgren spouted off about the Refs in the pathetic play calling this past year when the Giants were in town.
When was the last time NFL referees were sacked for corruption?
:noid
-
The Steelers made the plays, the Seahawks didn't.
The Seahawks got beat at a crucial time on a trick play. A trick play, think about it, what team gets beat on a trick play in the SB? That's pathetic. You can't be playing like that and expect to win on the SB stage.
The better team on Sunday was the Steelers, to cry about calls is pathetic. Grow a set of nads and and be a man about it.
-
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Neither QB performed well at all. The best pass of the night was from Randle El.
Agreed.
-
Come on Rip...you don't buy this NFL conspiracy crap. Sure there may have been couple calls that are questionable.
Pushoff...well he did pushoff which is against rules. Ticky tact or not is debateable..but if he didn't want the foul, should not have pushed off.
Fumble...which they overturned on replay....and was real close to being a fumble...if the steeler hand had not barely touched his jersey, would have been fumble. Got to remember this is happening at fast speeds. Not slow mo.
Fumble by Seahawk receiver, which was blown dead as incomplete was maybe worst call of the game.
Seahawks just failed to execute to their potential. They and they alone lost the game. Examples:
All those holding penalties, one of which cost a TD, the guy held & tackled the defender.
What was it, 3rd & 28 on the 40 & seachickens let steelers throw a 38yard pass to the 2yard line. Defense failed big on that play. Following td would not have even been a question if they could have stopped a deep pass.
Bit hard on the trick play. What, they hadn't seen that play coming? Damn, the must have seen that play on film more than once. They failed to recognize & execute..poor defense.
Receiver..not to mention all dropped passes which should never be dropped...Get Both FEET in-bounds in a clutch situation.
And what happened to league MVP? 95 yrds expected from any decent back in big game. Problem is he had NO big plays, on one might come close which was around 20 yrds.
They failed to get him going, blame the Off line, which made it hard for offense to get going good.
Really simple, they lost cuz they didn't execute all game long, not just because of a few questionalbe calls.
-
Originally posted by Fruda
Oh, the Hasselbeck tackle was a horrible call. But, if they reversed the penalty call, it wouldn't have made a bit of difference on the outcome.
The Steelers won before it even started. And if Ben didn't have that fractured thumb, it would've been a total blowout. I mean come on, that fracture seriously affected his pass accuracy and power, and it showed (the interception near the goal line being the most prominent --- super wobbly and barely any velocity).
step away from the crack pipe
-
Originally posted by Sixpence
The Steelers made the plays, the Seahawks couldn't because the refs would find another foul when they did make big plays.
The Seahawks got beat at a crucial time on a trick play. A trick play, think about it, what team gets beat on a trick play in the SB? That's pathetic. You can't be playing like that and expect to win on the SB stage. But lets not forget that they had lost Rocky Bernard, the leading sacker on the team, and their starting Safety, Manual. Both who went out late in the 2nd quarter.
The better team on Sunday was the Seahawks, to cry about calls is reasonable considering it was indeed the most viewed game on earth. Grow a set of nads and and be a man about it and complain to the NFL
Fixed!
-
Originally posted by BigGun
Come on Rip...you don't buy this NFL conspiracy crap.
No, I don't believe it was a conspiracy. It was just plain old crappy referring. I can't help think that it may have been due to Holmgrens mouth after the Giants game earlier in the year, but I highly doubt that it was. Subliminally, it may have been in some of the refs minds...
Originally posted by BigGun
And what happened to league MVP? 95 yrds expected from any decent back in big game. Problem is he had NO big plays, on one might come close which was around 20 yrds.
What about the horse-collar illegal tackle that wasn't called by the refs? Had Porter not horse-collar tackled Alexander, that's a TD ! Take a look, no one in front of him! Where was the flag?
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4365597&a=32076235&f=
-
anyone hear that Steelers were upgraded on there way back to pittsburgh
from a 757 to a 767-200ER for winning the Super Bowl and the loserhawks
flew home on a 757
:rofl
-
Superbowl tickets
SEC: 127 ROW: 38 8642 $4,155.00
Flight to Detriot 500.00
Jerome Bettis Jersey 72.99
Steelers towel 7.99
Seahawks Fans constantly whining priceless
-
Ripsnort, your bitterness seems to be fading by the day. At this rate you will probably be over Seattles loss well before 2010. :lol
And with the horsecollar thing...it is only a foul if seen by the steelers officials & a flag is thrown. :D
-
Originally posted by RAIDER14
anyone hear that Steelers were upgraded on there way back to pittsburgh
from a 757 to a 767-200ER for winning the Super Bowl and the loserhawks
flew home on a 757
:rofl
a customized 757 that the team owns btw:aok
-
Originally posted by soda72
Superbowl tickets
SEC: 127 ROW: 38 8642 $4,155.00
Flight to Detriot 500.00
Jerome Bettis Jersey 72.99
Steelers towel 7.99
Seahawks Fans constantly whining priceless
go stick yer head in yer "flower mound":p
-
Originally posted by Bear76
:p
-
Sorry conspiracy buffs, a loss sometimes is just a loss (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2322300)
;)
It's how sore losers rationalize a final score. Worse yet, it's crying. And there's no crying in football, unless you're Hines Ward.
-
The thing that cracks me up is how Steelers fans were all claiming league bias just a few weeks ago and now they laugh it off as a crackpot notion.
I don't know if such a bias exist, but the officiating was awful on Sunday and it all went one way. Too bad, it could have been a more exciting game without the officials wanting to decide it.
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
But lets not forget that they had lost Rocky Bernard, the leading sacker on the team, and their starting Safety, Manual. Both who went out late in the 2nd quarter.
The Patriots lost Eugene Wilson and Rodney Harrison against Carolina. They Lost Eugene Wilson in the first half against Philly. Did they whine about it? No, they overcame and won two SB in a row. That is what a champion does Rip, and that's why the Seahawks are not champions, they didn't step up and make plays.
How many injuries have the Pats had in the last few years? During their SB run against Carolina, they had all kinds of players go down, they set a record for starters that year. Did they whine about it? No, they went on to win 15 straight games to finish the season.
You think Belichick would go home in front of a crowd and cry about having to play the refs? Talk about pathetic. The best thing Seattle did was take away Holmgren's GM duties, now they just need to take away his head coaching duties.
Geez, yuppie double mocha latte drinking whiney seahawks fans. Pathetic!
-
Originally posted by soda72
Sorry conspiracy buffs, a loss sometimes is just a loss (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2322300)
;)
Anyone who has a last name that is unpronounceable don't know crap about football anyway:p