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Iran's largest selling newspaper has announced it is holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
"It will be an international cartoon contest about the Holocaust," Farid Mortazavi, the graphics editor for Hamshahri newspaper, which is published by Tehran's conservative-run municipality, said on Monday.
He said the plan was to turn the tables on the assertion that newspapers can print offensive material in the name of freedom of expression.
"The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let's see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons," he asserted.
Iran's fiercely anti-Israeli regime is supportive of so-called Holocaust revisionist historians, who maintain the systematic slaughter by the Nazis of mainland Europe's Jews as well as other groups during World War II has been either invented or exaggerated.
Systematic slaughter
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's hardline president, prompted international anger when he dismissed the systematic slaughter by the Nazis of mainland Europe's Jews as a "myth" used to justify the creation of Israel.
Mortazavi said Tuesday's edition of the paper will invite cartoonists to enter the competition, with "private individuals" offering gold coins to the best 12 artists - the same number of cartoons that appeared in the conservative Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
Last week the Iranian Foreign Ministry also invited Tony Blair, the British prime minister, to Tehran to take part in a planned conference on the Holocaust, even though the idea has been branded by Blair as "shocking, ridiculous, stupid".
Blair also said Ahmadinejad "should come and see the evidence of the Holocaust himself in the countries of Europe", to which Iran responded by saying it was willing to send a team of "independent investigators".
source (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FCE073DD-7F1B-4714-95F0-DD1F354F1D9A.htm)
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don't think the jews would riot, burn embassies or kill anyone over it ...
the iranians, read muslims, need to read this book (http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html)
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what struck me first was why would they respond to Danish cartoons by attacking Israel and making light of the holocaust?
where's the logic?
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
what struck me first was why would they respond to Danish cartoons by attacking Israel and making light of the holocaust?
where's the logic?
"blame the jew"
it worked for hundreds of years
i allways say it as a joke when i`m caught doing something wrong;)
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what struck me first was why would they respond to Danish cartoons by attacking Israel and making light of the holocaust?
where's the logic?
The logic is, in most European countries it's illegal to deny the holocaust. The idea is to create cartoons that the European countries would jail editors for printing, then claim it shows hypocricy that the Europeans won't publish them. (and presumably, they'll publish them in Muslim publications in Europe, and hope to be charged for it)
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Sure, the Danish cartoon was inflammatory but having some radical Muslims protesting it by; firing AK47s into the air in the streets, burning cars, torching a foreign embassy, and burning foreign flags in the streets does not give you any credibility.
In the case of the radical Muslim, the truth must hurt if they are acting this way... it is a shame they bring the rest of the peaceful Muslims along with them politically.
If they want to produce an inflammatory Holocaust cartoon, so be it. It is more preferable than having them harness bombs on their backs and running into a crowd of people. Then again, I know they'll do that too...
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I think this is great... I see no difference in the muslims getting all riot inspired over these cartoons and the pasty faced PC crowd and their phony hate speech BS...
Humor is the best salve and weapon for any kind of biggotry... We should be able to make fun of any race, religion, gender or sexual perediliction.... There should be no such thing as "hate speech" only free speech.
lazs
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Cox and Forkum are great.
Btw, the only reason that Iran is in trouble with the UN right now is ONLY BECAUSE THEY DENIED THE HOLOCAUST. Had they not done this, Iran would be bullying the UN.
But if there's one thing europeans are sure to do, it is to never walk over the holocaust. Nor stand by idly while other people walk over the holocaust.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Btw, the only reason that Iran is in trouble with the UN right now is ONLY BECAUSE THEY DENIED THE HOLOCAUST.
Yea, it has nothing to do with threatening to 'wipe a country off the map' and researching/obtaining nuclear devices.
Suffice to say, I disagree...
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we should be thankful that they cant afford DVD players, if the idiots went this mad over crappy cartoons, imagine if they had seen Team America World Police....
DURKA DURKA DURKA!
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Originally posted by Furball
we should be thankful that they cant afford DVD players, if the idiots went this mad over crappy cartoons, imagine if they had seen Team America World Police....
DURKA DURKA DURKA!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Michael Moore would quickly become their hero.
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International response to Iran's annoucment of Holocaust cartoons:
"Yeah, so?"
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i cant wait until Israel kicks Iran's ass.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think this is great... I see no difference in the muslims getting all riot inspired over these cartoons and the pasty faced PC crowd and their phony hate speech BS...
Humor is the best salve and weapon for any kind of biggotry... We should be able to make fun of any race, religion, gender or sexual perediliction.... There should be no such thing as "hate speech" only free speech.
lazs
Agreed. Actually semi agreed.
"Hate Speach" should be better defined if you were speaking and calling for actual action to take place against a particular group.
In this case in particular. The Islamists responce of calling for the attacks on the Danish would bedefined as "Hate speach", IF you went out and called for the lynching of innocent blacks, or Jews or any other group that would be considered hate speach.
Poking fun at someone is NOT hate speach
The ability to poke fun at each other, and ourselves used to be one of our greatest strengths. Now it has become one of our greatest weaknesses
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Originally posted by texace
International response to Iran's annoucment of Holocaust cartoons:
"Yeah, so?"
That would be the best responce
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"The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let's see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons," he asserted.
LOLOLOLOL they already been doing this for years..... hell the Iranian president was going to host some conference on the "holocaust issue" before this "cartoon issue" even came to light..
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Yea, it has nothing to do with threatening to 'wipe a country off the map' and researching/obtaining nuclear devices.
Suffice to say, I disagree...
Many times have Middle Eastern countries threaten to whipe a country off the map. Many times they have tried.
But this is the first time the Euro's are actually stepping in. Why? What's different this time?
What's different this time is that they are actively claiming that the holocaust never happened.
Laser 1, Del 0.
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There are some people in the States claiming the Holocaust never happened, too.
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DAERGHKLA DARGHLAI! ! HAMEHEEMEEHEMAAMHEEJAMAMEHAKL ALAMALAML!!!
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YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY F UM IF THEY CANT TAKE A JOKE.
Like they havent allready made cartoons about the Holcaust and cartoons that teach children how to be a suicide bomber. Or how to cut the head off a hostage. Cartoons to teach thier children nothing but hate.
Typical Muslim blame the jews for everything thats wrong with thier life.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Laser 1, Del 0.
There has been several instances where the Holocaust was denied.. I still disagree with you and your 'win' is false.
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Just did a simple search with Google... finding tons of Holocaust denials originating from the Middle East.
Try, try again... or do you want dates, times, and the individuals that said it?
edit: bah, look yourself... Yasir Arafat was one of them.
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Originally posted by Nashwan
The logic is, in most European countries it's illegal to deny the holocaust. The idea is to create cartoons that the European countries would jail editors for printing, then claim it shows hypocricy that the Europeans won't publish them. (and presumably, they'll publish them in Muslim publications in Europe, and hope to be charged for it)
But the U.S. can print them, and then the European press can reprint as a news story. Then we can have video of Jews laughing at how stupid the cartoons are. That would screw them up.
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In my country there is problem,
And that problem is the Jew.
They take everybody's money,
They never give it back.
Throw the Jew down the well,
So my country can be free.
You must grab him by his horns,
Then we have big party.
If you see the Jew coming,
You must be careful of his teeth.
You must grab him by his money,
And I tell you what to do...
Everybody!
Throw the Jew down the well
So my country can be free
You must grab him by his horns
Then we have big party
Throw the Jew down the well
So my country can be free
You must grab him by his horns
Then we have big party!
(http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/mp3/boratinmycountry.mp3)
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Originally posted by texace
There are some people in the States claiming the Holocaust never happened, too.
There are people in the States that believe in little green aliens, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. But none where trying to develope nuclear weapons or drive Israel into the sea.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
AHAHAHAA i love Borat... i love the way the people in the club sing along to be polite. Hooray for Borat!
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Its scary how messed up the world is when adults are clashing swords over a drawing.
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Well as soon as the they post the holocaust cartoons. I am going to become enraged and gather all my most stupid, ignorant and gullible acquaintences and rush to the nearest Iranian embassy and burn their flag while stoning the place. Failing that I will attack the embassy of any handy Islamic country. Then with my mob I'll head to the nearest mosque and daub the star of David all over the walls while terrorising any handy moslem who happens to be around, women and children included.
Well maybe not.............and that's the difference between these clowns and the rest of us. They disgrace themselves and their religion by their actions and simply earn the disgust of every decent person whatever their religion.
What strikes me about this whole stupid business is the absurd overreaction and sheer stupidity of the people involved. Whatever about the original insult to their prophet. Their reaction shamed them and held up Islam for more ridicule than a few cartoons in an obscure newspaper in a small European country.
The joke is on them. The poor fools.
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"Iran's largest selling newspaper has announced it is holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad."
...and they wonder why we dont think they are grown up enough to have the bomb.
Go figure.
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Go out and buy some Danish products this week.... :D
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Originally posted by soda72
Go out and buy some Danish products this week.... :D
mmm danish.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
what struck me first was why would they respond to Danish cartoons by attacking Israel and making light of the holocaust?
where's the logic?
Logic? LOL Logic and muslim is an oxymoron remember we aint dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer here.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
But the U.S. can print them, and then the European press can reprint as a news story. Then we can have video of Jews laughing at how stupid the cartoons are. That would screw them up.
It will be interesting to see what islamic humor is like.
I wonder if any of it will be funny.
I just hope they dont do retreds of old bad jokes like the one about Hitler being Germany's most famous baker
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
In my country there is problem,
And that problem is the Jew.
They take everybody's money,
They never give it back.
Throw the Jew down the well,
So my country can be free.
You must grab him by his horns,
Then we have big party.
If you see the Jew coming,
You must be careful of his teeth.
You must grab him by his money,
And I tell you what to do...
Everybody!
Throw the Jew down the well
So my country can be free
You must grab him by his horns
Then we have big party
Throw the Jew down the well
So my country can be free
You must grab him by his horns
Then we have big party!
(http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/mp3/boratinmycountry.mp3)
LMAO one of my sons best friends (who happens to be jewish) Turned me onto this song a year or so ago.
One of the best goofs of all time.
I hope before an MP gets to it they click on the link and watch the video first. Particularly the disclaimer in the beginning.
Hmmm seems you have posted the audio and not the video link.
You may have been better off with this one
Ali G Throw the Jew Down the Well Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3469500666953792125&q=Ali+G)
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I think islamic humour will go something like this:
"OK ,OK ,OK so Muhammed and me went looking for this goat ...ok,ok,ok, and then we went to goat market but all we found was mule....ok,ok,ok, . Muhammed turned to me and said; for money of 1 goat we buy 2 mule , then you and I can have 2 sex partner . "
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Many times have Middle Eastern countries threaten to whipe a country off the map. Many times they have tried.
Laser 1, Del 0.
Alot of countries have made that threat. including ours.
I seem to remember a quote by someone during WWII that after we were done with them the only place Japaneese would be spoken was in hell
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Oh Teh irony that now Japanesey things are infiltrating into the mainstream.
Yet I dunno how goat *****ing will get into the pop culture and woman beating.
Well ....they do have sheep ....... :D
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A caricature of a Dane appeared in the Teheran Times-Picayune just yesterday...
(http://freedraw.free.fr/Scooby-Doo.jpg)
It did not have the desired effect so they went after the jews.
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:lol
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Logic? LOL Logic and muslim is an oxymoron remember we aint dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer here.
I wonder what the average education level is in the average islamic country...6th grade? 10th grade?
besides "Hate America 101" what else do they brainwash er teach their young?
don't they work? seem to have alot of free time to demonstrate just about everything non islamic going on in the world.. are they paid to burn up things? cut off ppls head? walk around with a picnic table cloth on their face/head?
I think ignorace leads to their distorted view of islam while blind faith, as they aint got two sticks to rub together, promises them a better time in the hereafter. with that promise, they spend thier time here planning on getting there... sad really
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Hate America 101 is a freshman level college course.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It did not have the desired effect so they went after the jews.
:rofl
"Americans your Mickey Mouse is one big silly dope"
(http://users.pandora.be/vanhovesiemons/afbeeldingen%201/K%20mikey%20fier.gif)
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Originally posted by soda72
[B"Americans your Mickey Mouse is one big silly dope"[/IMG] [/B]
The outrage! Death to the infidels!
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Originally posted by Glasses
I think islamic humour will go something like this:
"OK ,OK ,OK so Muhammed and me went looking for this goat ...ok,ok,ok, and then we went to goat market but all we found was mule....ok,ok,ok, . Muhammed turned to me and said; for money of 1 goat we buy 2 mule , then you and I can have 2 sex partner . "
You mean to tell me that Muslim comedians sound like Joe Pesci??
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LOL @ Joe Pesci :lol
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Muslims sided with and faught alongside the Nazi's during WW2, of course they'd deny the holocaust.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Muslims sided with and faught alongside the Nazi's during WW2, of course they'd deny the holocaust.
Muslim faught also against the nazi during WWII.
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Yes and Christian fought against Christians, Jew against Jew, back and forth, all around...the point is its silly. Cartoons? WTF?...over
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To understand the violent reaction to the cartoons, you must really understand the peoples, their various cultures and Islam itself. No small feat either.... There are many more sects within Islam than within Christianity and Judaism combined.
I wonder how many western people realize that criticizing the Prophet Muhammad can get you a death sentence in at least 6 Muslim countries? If you published those cartoons in Saudi Arabia (as a citizen), you would cetrainly be imprisoned and perhaps executed. Foreigners would certainly be expelled, but not until after a very nasty experience in the basics of Islamic law.
Yet, the Saudis can be viewed as being among the most tolerant of Islamic nations. Others are not so "open minded". Either way, if people better understood the culture (Islamic), they would realize that the cartoons, no matter how mild westerners view them, are deeply insulting to Muslims. Nonetheless, those involved in the violence are but a small minority among the various Islamic sub-cultures, and it's normal for these groups to get the most press coverage.
Unfortunately, a growing number of fundamentalist Islamic teachers do teach violence against non-believers as being required, usually by distorting text of the Qur'an to twist its tenets by parsing text to change the meaning such as "slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (At-Tawbah: 5).
Truly, it seems as if a new jihad is declared every week.
With regard to war or jihad, Islam draws a clear distinction between combatants and non-combatants. Non-combatants such as women, children, the old and infirm are not to be killed. Yet, it doesn't take much thought to realize that radical Islam ignores those portions of the Qur'an that disagree with their hate. The big problem is that a significant percentage of Muslims (many of them of marginal education) follow their mullahs, imams or ayatollahs with blind faith and an absence of reason. They are conditioned by their culture NOT to question their religious leaders. Here, we question everything.
However, not all conservative Muslims or even Muslim sects are intolerant. I would say that most are not. For example, My wife and I are friends with a family in Algeria. They live near the city of Ghardaïa , in a small village in the M'Zab valley. They belong to the extremely conservative Ibadi sect . Despite a strict adherence to the Qur'an and a very formalized social structure, we have found them to be warm and generous people. They respect our different faiths, and go to great lengths not to offend. We, as Christians, fall under the category of wuqūf, or people who are not believers, but are not viewed as sinners or destined for hell. Among themselves, they would be categorized as walāyah, which indicates true believers. We would never have walāyah status, but that doesn't mean we would be treated with any less regard. Indeed, we have been invited to the wedding of the youngest son Omar next year. It is very unlikely that we would be able to attend, but we will send a gift, probably something for their home.
In case you are wondering how we know them... My wife taught two of their boys english and she helped provide basic supplies for their tiny village school. Many families in the village cannot afford to provide simple things like pens, pencils and notebooks for their children. So, they do not send them to school. My wife raised enough money to provide them adequate supplies of these items. They tell us that enrollment has more than doubled this year. They send us lots of photos and forward letters from the children. In turn, my wife sends the school kids candy. In addition to the Algerian school, my wife also raised money for a small school in Morroco. We know a teacher there who struggles with getting enough money for the absolute basics. So, my wife manages to raise enough cash to provide much of the shortfall in materials and supplies required. While she never expects anything in return, these are a proud people and they will send tokens of thanks that she absolutely cannot turn down, lest she violate their strong cultural sense of obligation.
We also have friends in Egypt, who sent us some remarkable paintings done on papyrus.
My brother calls my wife a "one person State Department." Thinking about it, I believe that the State Dapartment could take a lesson from a middle-aged housewife.
By the way, most educated Muslims believe that the holocaust was real....
My regards,
Widewing
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By the way, most educated Muslims believe that the holocaust was real....
yes, therein lies the issue..
how many of them are educated and how many are brain washed?
I think the "tolerant" educated ones are a very small minority which makes for a huge number of droids in the brain washed department
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well.... as a member of the only group left in the world that it is politicaly correct to make fun of.... White male redneck.... I find this all humorous.
Hate speech? No such thing. there is "threatening speech" .... that needs attention as in.. "I'm gonna kill you" kinda thing.
We live in a world where everyone is so hip and sensitive that we are lucky we all aren't one big rash.
The "N" word...LOL can't even say it... Does that make it less powerfull or more?
Kill people in 6 countries for making fun of the prophet? then those countries need to be blasted with prophet jokes on TV, radio and the press until their skin thickens a taste. If they hurt people over it then they need to be removed from the planet like the rabid dogs they are.
No race, religion, gender or whatever should be imune from humor or even.... heck... biggotry... you don't like me cause I'm white? Just spit out the "honky" and "cracker" and whatever stuff... get it out of your system... don't let it fester...
The "n" word... it is getting more and more popular amoung whites.
This is all about adults of course. Be nice if we could sheild the kids from it for awile but... they need to know it exists. Just like they need to know nudie bars exist but they don't need to go in one.
lazs
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Well as soon as the they post the holocaust cartoons. I am going to become enraged and gather all my most stupid, ignorant and gullible acquaintences and rush to the nearest Iranian embassy and burn their flag while stoning the place. Failing that I will attack the embassy of any handy Islamic country. Then with my mob I'll head to the nearest mosque and daub the star of David all over the walls while terrorising any handy moslem who happens to be around, women and children included.
Well maybe not.............and that's the difference between these clowns and the rest of us. They disgrace themselves and their religion by their actions and simply earn the disgust of every decent person whatever their religion.
What strikes me about this whole stupid business is the absurd overreaction and sheer stupidity of the people involved. Whatever about the original insult to their prophet. Their reaction shamed them and held up Islam for more ridicule than a few cartoons in an obscure newspaper in a small European country.
The joke is on them. The poor fools.
Sheesh CP...that sounds like work. How about you just stage a massive
BBQ in front of the embassy with lots of Sausage and beer, tacky music
and lots of people laughing.
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I hope they publish the Holocaust cartoons, and I hope major European newspapers publish them too (no, it is not illegal to deny the Holocaust in most European countries). Free press is free press, and it’s time to prove the point.
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Nostradamus, predicted WW3 is going to be inbetwen cristians and muslims, and Persia is mentioned many times in his Centurys, and the 3rd Anticrist coming from Midle East
First time i read those prophecys during cold war, and was hard to belive , but now looks like is unstopable.
He predicted an invasion of the Europe and destruction of Rome/Catholic church,
Malachy predicted the popes, only 1 more is going to be after this one but during his service the catholic church maybe Rome will be destroyed
imop the UN should take actions asap, bomb them to stone age, b4 they get A-bombs
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Originally posted by Rino
Sheesh CP...that sounds like work. How about you just stage a massive
BBQ in front of the embassy with lots of Sausage and beer, tacky music
and lots of people laughing.
Actually, you're right :lol. Probably the only way I could get that lot together would be to promise free beer and and a BBQ. You know I think that's the problem with all these radical extremists. They're frustrated from lack of drink and the ladyeez!