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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BomberJockey on February 06, 2006, 04:10:33 PM
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I am posting this question for hitech staff in regards to bombers in this game. Any other responses should be considered spam and deleted please.
Is this game designed purely for furballers? I am glad to see that you can pilot 3 bombers at once AND that they have very accurate guns.. both of these aspects give the bombers much greater survivability compaired to the historical bombers of WWII. I am however a little dissapointed that after climbing out for 30-45 minutes to attempt to accomplish some impunity to fighter cover.. the bombs seems to be impotent. The 1,000lbs bombs have very poor blast radius.. Ive seen one thousand pounds worth of explosives detonate and I can assure you that a tin and wooden hangar would not survive if within 50 yards. This seems to have encouraged dive bombing buffs... Is that what high tech wants? An arena where bombers are only used to fly 10 miles at minimum altitude to inaccuratly drop 8 bombs on two hangars?
Is this an attempt to keep the MA a furball arena?
If so your website toats this game as a overall simulator offering stratigic combat.... Ive read arguments here that bomber pilots want to ruin peoples fun by killing their fighters.. well dont fighters want to ruin bomber pilots fun by killing their ords and their bombers?? This makes little sense It would seem that people who have the most patience and take the most time to see the overall picture IE... bomber pilots are being limited intentionally.
Some explanation appreciated.
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I am posting this question for hitech staff in regards to bombers in this game. Any other responses should be considered spam and deleted please.
Posting in an open forum is always under the premise that the writer has responsibilities to his post - one of them being the accountability towards criticism and opinion from other forum users. If you did not want any of that, you should have sent them an E-mail. Personally, I must add that this is a very very bad way to start a thread and more than likely to raise brows on a lot of people, considering the arrogant nature of treating other's opinions as 'spam'. Not everyone is a nice guy like me, and take time to write things out like this.
Is this game designed purely for furballers? I am glad to see that you can pilot 3 bombers at once AND that they have very accurate guns.. both of these aspects give the bombers much greater survivability compaired to the historical bombers of WWII. I am however a little dissapointed that after climbing out for 30-45 minutes to attempt to accomplish some impunity to fighter cover.. the bombs seems to be impotent. The 1,000lbs bombs have very poor blast radius.. Ive seen one thousand pounds worth of explosives detonate and I can assure you that a tin and wooden hangar would not survive if within 50 yards. This seems to have encouraged dive bombing buffs... Is that what high tech wants? An arena where bombers are only used to fly 10 miles at minimum altitude to inaccuratly drop 8 bombs on two hangars?
Wrong analysis, wrong conclusion. Not to mention the demanding tone towards the game's creators, which I assure you, is not ever gonna let you have any kind of answers from HTC.
Is this an attempt to keep the MA a furball arena?
If so your website toats this game as a overall simulator offering stratigic combat.... Ive read arguments here that bomber pilots want to ruin peoples fun by killing their fighters.. well dont fighters want to ruin bomber pilots fun by killing their ords and their bombers?? This makes little sense It would seem that people who have the most patience and take the most time to see the overall picture IE... bomber pilots are being limited intentionally.
Let's see.
So, you are basing your lack of bombing accuracy - missing the bombs by 50 yards - as proof of intentional bomber-neutering, which in turn, is claimed as a part of some conspiracy towards bomber planes in favor of fighter planes and their furballing tendency.
It is no wonder you didn't want any other person's opinions.
Some explanation appreciated.
What's to explain? You missed the bombs. Next time, don't miss them.
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Hmmm, sounds like a 2 weeker to me. Just practice a bit Bomber, you'll start hitting things in no time. Bombing is one of the easiest things to do in this game. In time you should be able to put those bombs right on the target every time, any bomber worth their weight can easily. BTW, on top of 3 bombers and lazer guns you also have a crazily accurate bombsite. So it's something you're doing wrong, not HTC. As for the furball comment, this game has shifted from that looooong ago. Now it's all about base capture and winning the war. And of coarse fighters are going to attack bombers, you're about to take down our hangars duh!:rolleyes: Now if you went and hit factories and such, most true "furballers" could care less. I really think you have furballers confused with the war winner crowd. We don't take down ord. or barracks. We don't do mishunz. We don't want to win the war. We don't care about virtual airplanes. We fight and that's all we want to do.
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My invalid spam opinion, as a fairly serious bomber jock is:
Any weakness in the bombs (or more to the point, excess strength in the structures) simply balances out the absurd accuracy of the AH bombsite. Statistically most of the bombs in the war missed by 300 or more yards... Destruction of targets was accomplished by carpet bombing, not pinpoint accuracy.
You really can't come in here and pick one specific item and say it is unfair or unbalanced unless you take a moment to look at the game as a whole. It is a game after all. Did you not notice that there was no wind? Did you not notice that targets are almost never obscured by clouds? These are HUGE advantages for bombers - and were almost never true in real life.
Taking it a step further... In Aces High, 22k feet is practically low-earth orbit... Few fighters will bother with you and you can get there in 30 minutes... A genuine B17 fully loaded in WWII was lucky to get 300ft per minute rate of climb AT SEA LEVEL (in Aces High a B17 will make 300 fpm at 18k feet). It took forever to attain the 27,000 to 32,000 feet they would cruise at.. And even at that altitude the fighters were on them.
Aces High is a game... It is in the genre of simulation. Its primary intent is entertainment - not a by the book simulation of war. If that were its intent you would only get one life.
Last and most importantly... If Hitech wanted a furball only game, there wouldn't be any bombers at all... And that would be a much simpler way to accomplish that goal. This conspiracy theory of them nerfing bombers to make them go away is rather silly when you consider that the DELETE key is on Hitech's computer - I'm sure he would have done it if he didn't like bombers.
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if i had wanted your opinions i would have given them to you.
Im asking hitech in a forum where all pilots can see the official answers.
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Originally posted by BomberJockey
if i had wanted your opinions i would have given them to you.
:rofl
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Originally posted by BomberJockey
if i had wanted your opinions i would have given them to you.
Im asking hitech in a forum where all pilots can see the official answers.
If I were you I'd hold my breath until they were deleted.
-Sik
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Originally posted by BomberJockey
if i had wanted your opinions i would have given them to you.
Im asking hitech in a forum where all pilots can see the official answers.
AHAHAHA I guess you told us LMAO@!#!##!
Look out everybody, it's an internet tough guy:lol :rofl
Oh where to begin, once again when you post on this board you are making things public. If you didn't want people to responde then you shouldn't have posted here, but wrote HTC an email. Whether you like it or not we can state our opinions as long as they they follow the forum rules and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except whine. So I and others will say exactly what we feel regardless of what you want mmmkay.
You're still wrong about everything though. It's funny how a guy who plays this game for at most a few months thinks he knows what's needed more than players who've been here for years, let alone the game designer. And please tell me you haven't been playing longer. If you have and you still can't bomb you are hopeless. And how about you do us all a favor and hold your breathe until HT respondes:aok
Lastly, I think Kweassa covered it very well and maturely. I imagine HTCs answer will be much the same. It's all about finding the right mix of game play, nothing more. You aren't going to have 100% accuracy in every area. Why you can't understand that is beyond me.
BTW do you know sgtduex? If not, you should look him up. I think you 2 would get along great.
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congradulations on forming a complete sentence, I would imagine this has made your trainer very proud.
However I respect your right to have an opinion as misdirected and poorly expressed as it is.
and in terms of my toughness I would provide you opportunity to assess that yourself if you are willing to just private message me your location and we can discuss it.
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AHAHAHAH are you going to beat me up? Are you going to fly to my location and prove to me you are right by bodily harm? Man you are to funny. You really need to seek mental health or get a life, maybe both. Jeebus, that's hilarious. You're threating to beat someone up over a game LOLOLOLOL. BTW I'm only 12, and I guess you are either a 17 year old kid mad at his parents or a 35 year old man who just looked back and realized he has and is nothing. I pray the 17 year old is the case because if you are an "adult" and act like this, all joking aside it's very sad. Either way you sure are good for a laugh.
BTW, where is my opinion misdirected? Please point out a specific instance?
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Here is an offical answer accessible from the 'support' branch of the menu detailing what ordinance is required to destroy objects. Many players have no problem destroying targets from hi altitude level bombing, suggesting that the problem isnt on HiTech end of the equation. (http://www.flyaceshigh.com/ahhelp/map.html#targets)
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Well, here's a few facts...
1) HTC will lock this thread because of the writer obviously hasn't bothered to read the forum rules.
2) It will be likely be ignored as the writer is arrogant in tone and the posts are discourteous to HTC and the subscribers who utilize the forums.
3) Threatening another BBS user with physical violence will likely result in being forever banned..
4) HTC has been notified of this thread via e-mail.
Cya round fella....
Widewing
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LMFAO!!! Are you kidding you expect thi game to be perfect!!! I meen especially TOD o I meen Combat Tour so you don't get mad at me for not being perfect. Also, why does it matter to you!! And if you haven't noticed we don't hasve uber grafics but 1k I meen 1,000lb I meen 1,000 pound bombs do damage from 50 yards away and I don't belive hangers are made of tin or aluminum (if they are they were idiots) but if you also haven't noticed (here comes a song)
Put the bomb on the hanger and it goes to heaven
Put the bomb on the hanger and it goes to heaven.
Hehehe so im guessing you are a 2 weeker so i suggest you play more at bombing and actually hit ur i meen your target.
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Originally posted by BomberJockey
if i had wanted your opinions i would have given them to you.
Im asking hitech in a forum where all pilots can see the official answers.
Yeah, if you wanted answers from a developer you probably should have contacted them to begin with.
I haven't read every post in this thread, but I can tell you that between Kweassa, Murdr, Widewing and myself you have every little bit of information that you'll get on the subject even if you go directly to God about it.
(http://www.planetstupid.com/graphics/toughguy.jpg)
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All joking aside, how is this a "wishlist" item?
Not only does this smell like chum, its rather rancid chum at that.
Get some fresh bait.
IN
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I myself would like to see an accurate model of splash damage done by bombs in accordance with what kind of structure (insert correct type of materieal...wood, tin, etc) is being splashed by the blast radius from the bombs.
On the same token though.....
What I want and how things are, are two different things. The model we have now works and if you take your time, plan ahead, and hold your mouth just right, you will be sucessful in hitting your targets from high alt.
Dont rush. It will all work out.
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I got my beer and chips, ;) IN!
that looks like 40lb test to me
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This would be funny, if it weren't so sad. It started off bad, and only got worse.
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So is Super gonna get a beat down or not?:O
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People, the man asked an honest question and look at you, you filthy no good insult slinging mofo's. I am disgusted with this communtity.
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:lol
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And to think, I declined the chance to be the first to respond IN this thread. :D
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INtertaining to say the least. This thread really tickled my funny bone.:rofl :rofl
As for "Blast radius" How does 100 YRDS DIA. sound to you?
Yes the Bomb Blast Radius of an AH2 1,000 lb bomb has an effective range of 100 yards (50 yrds from center the edge.) A blast radius of 30 Yrds will give you the Full 1,000 lb value. Then as you move farther away from the center of the crater it get weaker. Just like in real life. Pretty cool eh?
I and another player have tested this extensively in bot AH1 nad now in Ah2. I would think a blast radius equelivent to the lenght of a football field from a 1,000 lb bomb would be plenty.
But if you want to talk about the scale of certian buildings on the Airbase...Thats a horse of a different color.
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Originally posted by Slash27
So is Super gonna get a beat down or not?:O
You'll protect me....right slash?!:confused:
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Originally posted by SuperDud
You'll protect me....right slash?!:confused:
uh... sure thing buddy. I got your back.
WAY BACK
:D
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Im glad I have amused the plebians... It warms my heart to see the abortions you call posts causing amusement among yourselves.
I asked a question of the people who I pay to amuse me. I pay my 14.95 a month with the same frequency and efficency as the rest of you.
In order to avoid the same questions from being posted over and over again I asked them in a public forum so that the explanation could be seen by all. Instead of useful input most of you have decided to attack me because my veiws differ from your own.
Pitiful I will not further entertain your attempts at wit by attempting to explain myself to you people.
Ive owned animals with more manners than the lot of you and in response to the trainer's quote on me threatening anyone with physical violence I think you will find that the blueknight's first response was an attempt to test as to weither or not I was capible of challenging him to a physical contest. Inciting a person to respond in defense of his/her own personal physical form is also not allowed in the forums... for HTC to ban me and not the blueknight in question would border on favoritism.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Hmmm, sounds like a 2 weeker to me. Just practice a bit Bomber, you'll start hitting things in no time. Bombing is one of the easiest things to do in this game. In time you should be able to put those bombs right on the target every time, any bomber worth their weight can easily. BTW, on top of 3 bombers and lazer guns you also have a crazily accurate bombsite. So it's something you're doing wrong, not HTC. As for the furball comment, this game has shifted from that looooong ago. Now it's all about base capture and winning the war. And of coarse fighters are going to attack bombers, you're about to take down our hangars duh!:rolleyes: Now if you went and hit factories and such, most true "furballers" could care less. I really think you have furballers confused with the war winner crowd. We don't take down ord. or barracks. We don't do mishunz. We don't want to win the war. We don't care about virtual airplanes. We fight and that's all we want to do.
This is my 1st post. I try telling you bombing is easy and keep practicing. I then try to explain what furballers like to do. I don't see anywhere in here that I threaten you?
U r teh crazy!:noid
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Wow.
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What I miss ??????????
(http://web.dis.unimelb.edu.au/Ugrad/d/dabarkho/Images/scared.jpg)
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Miss? Nothing really. Just the birth of the bestest and most tardtastic poster of 2006 so far.
(lol. Like duh! Thanks Slapshot)
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Troll.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by BomberJockey
Im glad I have amused the plebians... It warms my heart to see the abortions you call posts causing amusement among yourselves.
I asked a question of the people who I pay to amuse me. I pay my 14.95 a month with the same frequency and efficency as the rest of you.
In order to avoid the same questions from being posted over and over again I asked them in a public forum so that the explanation could be seen by all. Instead of useful input most of you have decided to attack me because my veiws differ from your own.
Pitiful I will not further entertain your attempts at wit by attempting to explain myself to you people.
Ive owned animals with more manners than the lot of you and in response to the trainer's quote on me threatening anyone with physical violence I think you will find that the blueknight's first response was an attempt to test as to weither or not I was capible of challenging him to a physical contest. Inciting a person to respond in defense of his/her own personal physical form is also not allowed in the forums... for HTC to ban me and not the blueknight in question would border on favoritism.
Here is what SD said ...
Look out everybody, it's an internet tough guy
Here is your response in the next post ...
and in terms of my toughness I would provide you opportunity to assess that yourself if you are willing to just private message me your location and we can discuss it.
There was no ... "Inciting a person to respond in defense of his/her own personal physical form".
Nice try ... like your bombing.
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Originally posted by Westy
Miss? Nothing really. Just the birth of the bestest and most tardtastic poster of 2005 so far.
Ummmm ... ya might wanna re-think that ... :D
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Move along folks, he's roadkill, and starting to draw flys.
Bomberjockey, as has been previously pointed out, this is a public forum.
To tell everyone who reads it that they are not allowed to post in your thread is arrogance of a particularly nasty kind. Its like turning up at a Civil Rights rally wearing a KKK costume. We tend not to put up with that around here.
Next, you ask a question, (is this game strickly designed for furballers) then answer it yourself. If it WAS, there would be no bombers. There would be no formations for bombers, there would be no strat objects.
So your so called "question" comes off as being derogitory. Again not a good plan.
Forget the Main arena for a day, jump into the TA.
Ask a few questions, learn how to calibrate & match your speeds so bombs hit dead on target. Its really not that hard to do.
Then if you still have problems hook up with a trainer.
I'll make it easy for you, ghosth@hitechcreations.com
(Yes I'm a trainer, yes if you need help I'll be glad to hook up with you)
Next, since your new here, I'll give you some advice.
Listen to everything, say little or nothing. Sit back & take it all in.
In a few months you'll understand enough of how we do things to be able to have a friendly conversation about say bombers.
Last, if you really think something needs to be changed you need to
A lose the attitude
B write a straightforward post explaining why you think this is so
C provide proofs & facts to back up your claim. (Real hard core data)
D show your sources for these proofs & facts.
IF you can seriously prove with real data that something is wrong.
It will be seen, and fixed. But Its not easy, and it doesn't always happen overnight.
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the bombs work historically. if they were any more powerful, the arena would be completely barren because all the bomber nerds would have bombed everything
and no, furballers do not pork ord or bomber hangars, thats what other toolshed dweebs do. furballers HATE killing buildings, because its lame in a game like this. if there was a proper strat system in the game, maybe bombers would see more use. but right now all they do is limit other people's fun