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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Karnak on September 14, 2000, 10:03:00 AM
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According to this story oa CNN.com, Finland is percieved as the "least corrupt nation in the world". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/09/13/germany.corruption/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/09/13/germany.corruption/index.html)
Kinda wish the US was seen that way instead, but...
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak
Where did the US rate? Looked like Europe only.
Oh I found it.
Here's a better link: http://www.transparency.de/documents/cpi/2000/cpi2000.html (http://www.transparency.de/documents/cpi/2000/cpi2000.html)
We are #14 according to this group. Hey we're better than China or Russia (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Seems we are more corrupt these last eight years than any other time in US history.
Hopefully with a new administration, whoever wins, the US will gain worldwide respect again. We don't have it now. It's a reflection of it's leaders.
Eagler
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Could be nice if I could pay my speeding tickets to the "police's holiday fund" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Serious:
15 years ago we got couple scandals and those politics were buried really deep (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Maybe rest of them learned their lesson...
I'm not sure if chief of our ice-breaker fleet is still sitting in jail because there were some questions about lending our ships to the Northern Sea oil rigs in summer 1999...
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The people doing the ranking were not qualified. Not a single politician, reporter or lawyer in the whole lot of em. How are you supposed to get an expert opinion on corruption without having these people involved?
AKDejaVu <- Paid $50 by the US government to speak out against this poll
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Oh my, my homeland is ranked 60 in that list. I was expecting to see it much lower though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(PD: 100=clean, 0=corrupt)
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Imagine what the US numbers would be if they took Illinois out of the score. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Illinois ?
All I know is that state was home of Elwood, Jake and Illinois Nazis.
Is there any more I should know ?
edit: whole Scandinavia in top 6 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 09-14-2000).]
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Interesting that the rating seems to show how countries percieve their own corruption.
The canadians that voted ourselves number 5 have never read "On the Take" which is about our former primeminister Mulroonies government.
Nothing has changed either...
That rating should probably rate the most gullible populaces not the least corrupt governments.
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Originally posted by Eagler:
Karnak
Where did the US rate? Looked like Europe only.
Oh I found it.
Here's a better link: http://www.transparency.de/documents/cpi/2000/cpi2000.html (http://www.transparency.de/documents/cpi/2000/cpi2000.html)
We are #14 according to this group. Hey we're better than China or Russia (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Seems we are more corrupt these last eight years than any other time in US history.
Hopefully with a new administration, whoever wins, the US will gain worldwide respect again. We don't have it now. It's a reflection of it's leaders.
Eagler
Everyone knows the media, politicians, etc are morons and idjits. Saying that the Clinton Administration is the most corrupt in US History was obviously thought up by someone who flunked history.
Anyone remember the Grant adminstration? Yanno? after the civil war? our present adminstration wouldn't even register on the same scale as the Grant adminstration. Sheesh.
Your daily US History lesson that doesn't refer to planes brought to you by Anti-Pepsi(c) and Jig.
- Jig
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Heh now the amusing bit;
Finland scores first place. Then Denmark. Sweden on fourth place.
All are, compared to the US, ruled by parties from the left wing.
Not saying there is a causality relationship here, just food for thought.
Guess we're good at keeping our officials in a leash (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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What other things do they have in common.
How much imagration do they allow?
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What ???
We are 39 ???
Somethink is wrong in this, we deserve at least the 50th place, this list is porked. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And Pongo, your rant is'nt clear at all, try to be more explicit, and we will bite.
<Xeno alarm, xeno alarm>
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Pongo, well Finland have rather strict immigration policies, Denmark and Sweden lax. All countries have highly developed welfare systems, corresponding high taxes, many party political system. People aren't voted into office for say prosecutor (great idea, but look what happens (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)).
Uhm. Highly developed moral sense, maybe? As in not accepting any form of corruption, and in "give everyone an extra break" in social terms. Small military forces, small populations. Decent to good economies. High literacy levels, low pollution levels, equality well developed. Low income inequality. Shared history, during much of it there was constant wars. Good beer and liquors.
But, mostly I just think it's a zero tolerance policy towards corruption or "not playing on the same field and same rules". "Hey man, he is making money on this, unfair!" And some good journalists that constantly are trying to dig up scandals (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
The US in 8th place - not bad for such a big country with obvious possibilities for corruption (read, fund raising for offices). Thought the US would be around 14-15 or or so, so positive surprise.
With small countries like the Scandinavian ones, it's more of a grass root thing - politics aren't abstracted that much from real life, and the politicians themselves are just persons, most of which are annoying.
In the US, a senator or congressman has lots of status. Politicians here do not quite have as much.
I dunno. But it's good to show the world that even tiny non powerful countries with developed welfare systems can do something right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime