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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Octavius on February 07, 2006, 12:20:25 AM
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/index.php?p=558
I'm not completely up to date on everything. He posits a nice argument, but is it a pipe dream? But what really caught my eye was the $200 billion (http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm) pricetag and no product or framework.
Anyone know how to get a very general line item for this universal service fee we all pay? Some of it goes to subsidize rural phone service, and some goes for T1 lines in various public schools, but there's a ****load of unaccounted for moola it seems. ~26 years after AT&T's breakup, overall competition seems lacking. The new AT&T Inc., ignoring actual worth and in terms of the number of 'baby bell' offspring, is 50% of its former self. Has competition slowed enough to allow this sort of crap to happen? At what point do the antitrust laws kick in? Is this the case or am I also full of it?
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open source? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA HA!
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I find alot of fault in his arguments... sure Slovenia may be ahead of us, but they are rebuilding their infrastructure with modern day advances, where as we are often still using the same phone lines from the '50s.
What he wants would take a massive amount of money to put up new phone lines, more DSL stations, and an oversight group (one that has more teeth) to prevent price gouging.
Not going to happen...
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He's as far fetched as someone suggesting that the oil industry become open sourced. He really lost me when he claims, "The Internet is not a right, but it is becoming a necessity, like roads, water, and electricity. "
For man cannot live on streaming porn and eBay auctions alone.
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A necessity? I can live without the Internet...and I bet I'll be able to do it when I'm old and all you folks are really old.:aok
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texace, at your age, you can live without everything ... except your right hand! ;)
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
texace, at your age, you can live without everything ... except your right hand! ;)
Now thats not fair, he could be ambidextrous :)
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Thought the right hand was for typing, adjusting the webcam and using the mouse?
:D
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
texace, at your age, you can live without everything ... except your right hand! ;)
And if I lose that, I'll have to get creative. ;)
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Originally posted by AWMac
Thought the right hand was for typing, adjusting the webcam and using the mouse?
:D
:rofl
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Originally posted by Delirium
What he wants would take a massive amount of money to put up new phone lines, more DSL stations, and an oversight group (one that has more teeth) to prevent price gouging.
Del, what he's saying is that we've already paid for the improvements several times over and Ma Bell hasn't come through. I completely agree with Slovenia... massive rebuilding of infrastructure, especially construction post-WWII, but this seems to be a different case - it should have been done. I'd settle for a friggin pie chart of where that universal service fee and the other thousand fees have gone, aside from the well known public school and other usage.
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I read an article that Google is quietly aquiring a coast to coast network of "dark fiber"
Basically "dark fiber" is fiber that was in the process of being installed accross the country but was halted after the dot com bust. Basically google would have it's own intardnet.
http://news.com.com/Google%20wants%20dark%20fiber/2100-1034_3-5537392.html
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You're getting this from a place that added an extra ".com" to their site, just to be sure. :D
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Originally posted by OOZ662
You're getting this from a place that added an extra ".com" to their site, just to be sure. :D
WEll google it if you'd like, I just picked the first link. Either way I read this on foxnews and MSNBC.
It's amazing how a search engine might become as powerful as Microsoft someday.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Basically google would have it's own intardnet.
Errrr no.
(it'd have its own core infrastructure)
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Errrr no.
(it'd have its own core infrastructure)
It would have a coast to coast network of highspeed fiber.....with it's own protocals and it's own customers using it all interconnected by highspeed powerfull nodes owned by google as well. I don't think there's a single company out there that would have that big of a network.
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When all my NHL winnings are in ill build and launch 1000 sattelites with their own infrastructure and servers and whatnot buildt-in. Then you all can hook up from anywere and enjoy 100mb both ways. All I ask is that all creditcard info is stored on my personal server.
Sattelites are the way to go..
Ill control it all from my volcano.
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Actually Guns, It would be about the fourth largest network. AOL, Savvis, and Comcast would still be bigger.
And it would still need to peer with everyone else if Internet access is wanted. That peering would crunch up some bandwidth.
I am more interested in Goggle's OS and what they will do with it. I know the core is starting from Linux, so it will be interesting to see what they wrap around it.
Nils, satellites hurl chunks for anything real-time (like Aces High).
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
satellites hurl chunks
That's actually a pretty good technical description of how satellite internet works.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nils, satellites hurl chunks for anything real-time (like Aces High).
not mine
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"hurl chunks"
boy, does that phrase bring back some grim memories!:huh
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Originally posted by Nilsen
not mine
Soooo, you figured out how to exceed the speed of light? Cool!
Swoop, I figured Vulcan would catch that one, but you catching it is a bit of a surprise. You just made the super-geek list. WTG!!! :)
Your X-Ray googles, spy ring, Swiss army knife, and cyclotron are in the mail!!
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Swoop, I figured Vulcan would catch that one, but you catching it is a bit of a surprise.
!!!!!
And I thought you knew me well.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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Nilsen I didnt think there were volcanies up where you live. Maybe instead of a volcano, its a beached whale drug up to the top of a hill :rofl
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Originally posted by Swoop
!!!!!
And I thought you knew me well.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
Just goes to show, I am either old and forgot, or I just learned something new. In either case, I learned something, so I call it a win. :)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Soooo, you figured out how to exceed the speed of light? Cool!
Yes they use wireless fiberoptics ofcourse. what did you think? morse-code?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
wireless fiberoptics
:aok
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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Uhmm,.Nilsen,..that still does not exceed the speed of light. Put the drink away and take a nap before you hurt yourself. :)
Although, "wireless fiberoptics" is pretty funny.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Although, "wireless fiberoptics" is pretty funny.
;)
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The foxnews article was a little more interesting:
Rumors Mount Over Google's Internet Plan
Tuesday, February 07, 2006
By Benjamin Cohen
Google is working on a project to create its own global Internet protocol (IP) network, a private alternative to the Internet controlled by the search giant, according to sources who are in commercial negotiation with the company.
Last month, Google placed job advertisements in America and the British national press for "Strategic Negotiator candidates with experience in ... identification, selection, and negotiation of dark fiber contracts both in metropolitan areas and over long distances as part of development of a global backbone network."
Dark fiber is the remnants of the late-1990s Internet boom, when American Web companies laid down fiber-optic cables in preparation for high-speed Internet delivery.
Following the downturn in the technology sector during the early 2000s, the installation process for many of these networks was left incomplete. This has resulted in a usable network of cables spread across the United States that have never been switched on.
By purchasing the dark fiber, Google would in effect be able to acquire a ready-made Internet network that it could control.
Late last year, Google purchased a 270,000-square-foot telecom interconnection facility in New York City. It is believed that from here, Google plans to link up and power the dark-fiber system and turn it into a working Internet network of its own.
It was also reported in November that Google was buying shipping containers and building data centers within them, possibly with the aim of using them at significant nodes within the worldwide cable network.
"Google hired a pair of very bright industrial designers to figure out how to cram the greatest number of CPUs, the most storage, memory and power support into a 20- or 40-foot box," tech blogger and TV host Robert X. Cringely wrote in November. "The idea is to plant one of these puppies anywhere Google owns access to fiber, basically turning the entire Internet into a giant processing and storage grid."
Google has long been rumored to be planning to launch a PC to retail for less than $100. The Google computers are likely to be low-grade machines that require a connection to Google to be able to perform functions such as word processing and spreadsheet manipulations.
While using the computers, it is understood that consumers will be shown personalized advertising from the company's AdWords network.
The various reports prompted analysts Bear Stearns to note last year: "We think Google could be experimenting with new hardware endeavors that could significantly change potential future applications by Google, creating another advantage for Google over its competitors. Investors may currently underappreciate Google as a potential hardware company."
The technology industry has also been alive with talk that the Google $100 machines will be less like a standard home PC and more like a television: in effect, one of the first convergent devices between the Internet and television.
While offering the standard PC applications, the "Google Cube" will also offer interactive content from a variety of sources while retaining Google branding and displaying Google advertising.
A leading content provider, who did not wish to be named, told Times Online: "We are in discussions with Google to provide content for their alternative Internet service, to be distributed through their Google Cube product. As far as I'm aware, they have been conducting negotiations with a number of other players in our marketplace to provide quality content to their users."
However, industry insiders fear that the development of a network of Google Cubes powered over a Google-owned Internet network will greatly increase the power that Google wields over online publishers and Internet users.
Should Google successfully launch an alternative network, it is theoretically possible for it to block out competitor Web sites and only allow users to access Web sites that have paid Google to be shown to their users.
However, the moves towards providing equipment for as little as $100 will prove popular with home users and even governments, who will welcome the spread of the Internet to homes that could not previously afford the initial costs of purchasing PCs.
Contacted by Times Online Friday, a spokesperson for Google denied that it had any such plans, before adding its customary rider: "It's Google's policy not to comment on speculation concerning products before they are launched."
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Soooo, you figured out how to exceed the speed of light? Cool!
Swoop, I figured Vulcan would catch that one, but you catching it is a bit of a surprise. You just made the super-geek list. WTG!!! :)
Your X-Ray googles, spy ring, Swiss army knife, and cyclotron are in the mail!!
I've been 'offline' most of the day. Air Conditioning water storage tank 16 floors up from our office lost the plot, drained to to level 3, cut back in, flooding the guys above us and us complete. My desk was spared completely, my servers all survived, as did my firewalls and other appliances. The Apple servers and a lotta apple gear got fried. I told the Apple guys it was cos they're christians and I'm buddhist (well... kinda) and its a karma thing.
Our main rack got absolutely soaked, it had a 3kva UPS at the bottom making nice arcing sounds. All I lost was one SSL appliance and a cheap switch. Its definitely a Karma thing, cos those were the only things the apple guys would share rack space with, they refused to let our PC servers near the rack and of course those servers survived untouched :)
Looks like a rip out the carpet, redo the ceiling, redo the walls job. So the office (we're a branch office) is gonna be closed for a week or so. Luckily for me I'm off to Singapore on Monday for some antispam appliance training.