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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunthr on February 07, 2006, 11:17:15 AM
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http://upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060207-072431-9805r
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"We must show the whole world that Russia goes along with Europe, that the freedom of expression is much more important for us than the dogmas of religious fanatics," Samodurov said.
Hooray for Samodurov!
[seinfeld voice]Unleash the cartoons![/seinfeld voice]
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Islamic people will now stamp their feet, burn cloth that is painted like the Russian flag and hurl stones at the Russuan embassies. They will demand an apologiy from Russia...
And Russia will say, as Eddie Izzard put it, "Well...we're not gonna!"
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This isn't really a shocker as our pals in Russia have had more than
their fair share of troubles with their Islamic southern neighbors.
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Islamofascists will break from thier normal boring peacefull religous practices just long enough to burn some Russian flags and then remove a few infidels heads, then its back to the dull business of practicing a peaceful religion...
Right now flags and riot kits are being fedexed around to the proper islamofascist leaders for distribution and proper riot head chopping off training classes..
TJ
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Didn't the Soviets knock on Afghanistan's door in the 80's, then the U.S. came to help? Would the U.S. help the Russians or the Islamic fanatics this time? Maybe it will be a U.S. vs U.S. war. Stay tuned for more details...
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Hehe... they're pouring fuel into the fire so they can put down the chezcens once and for all
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Has anyone posted the cartoons in here?..i for one would like a good chuckle.:rofl
but you know that ain't gonna happen
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Why would anyone insult others religion? Just for the giggles?
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Freedom of expression, freedom of speech? religious, political, sexual, positional if you cant take a joke, **** you
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Originally posted by SirLoin
but you know that ain't gonna happen
(http://members.arstechnica.com/x/hiphink/tehran_ashura.jpg) (http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/28609695/m/751002657731/r/357000467731#357000467731)
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Has anyone posted the cartoons in here?..i for one would like a good chuckle.:rofl
but you know that ain't gonna happen
A few were posted somewhere, along with a link to them. You can also google them.
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Yay for Russia.
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Originally posted by Staga
Why would anyone insult others religion? Just for the giggles?
"Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustrations of the Prophet"
Any "illustration" is forbidden, regardless of content. If I draw a stick figure on my desk and write "Muhammad" above it it is insulting.
Imagine if everyone rioted every time someone took the Lord's name in vain?
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I guess then more women would dress up like men & the pharse "throws like a girl" would eventually be a compliment.
see
http://www.syndarys.net/headers/jehovah.jpg
for clarification if needed
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You can find various and sundry Prophet effigies in Iranian markets.
How no politician is having a field day with the BS all over this affair... this is as bogus as ID.
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so using the term "muhammad it" instead of "goawdarnit" is bad?
How about "Muhammadamn you"
What a boring religion cant even blame the principle figure for everything that goes wrong... NO wonder there's so much pent up aggression involved in worshipping all day in the heat and sand...
TJ
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Originally posted by JimBear
Freedom of expression, freedom of speech? religious, political, sexual, positional if you cant take a joke, **** you
I wish I'd be an artist; I'd draw a picture of Jesus selling himself in Red Lights District Amsterdam wearing just a leather strings and having an huge dildo in his arse.
If you can't take the joke, **** you too :cool:
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hmm guess it's time to learn how to use MS Paint :)
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Someone draws crap. Someone else sees same, then blames the painter when said image multiplies uncontrolably in their brains.
That's as rational as hammering MA's David sculpture.
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Originally posted by Staga
I wish I'd be an artist; I'd draw a picture of Jesus selling himself in Red Lights District Amsterdam wearing just a leather strings and having an huge dildo in his arse.
If you can't take the joke, **** you too :cool:
Somehow I doubt that it would cause riots and Finnish embassies to get burned to the ground. I think at worst, if somehow it got famous, you'd have somebody like Pat Robertson having a hissy fit... which is okay, because most people don't like him anyways :)
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Originally posted by Staga
I wish I'd be an artist; I'd draw a picture of Jesus selling himself in Red Lights District Amsterdam wearing just a leather strings and having an huge dildo in his arse.
If you can't take the joke, **** you too :cool:
Your missing the obvious point. You have the freedom to do that, you have the right to be as tarded as you want without fear of loss of life.
We have *tolerance* of those who disagree with our morals, religion, politics, etc.
They, on the other hand, do not. Yet...they insist we be tolerant of their views.
Its a very one-sided argument.
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I think it's guys like you, Le Paul, who are missing the point... If you don't get it I'm not going to point it to you :)
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Its people like you who will pull your pants down, bend over and pray you can appease them.
It wont work.
But enjoy the work LOL
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Yeah that's it :)
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I don't see the need to insult anothers religion, but that is just me. But I also strongly agree with freedom of speach and expression, as long as it doesn't infringe on others freedoms.
To carry on, riot & behave like this is just crazy, no justification & it shouldn't be condoned no matter what someone says about Muhammad. These are just irrational, crazy, extremist people.
What is amazing is they show all this outrage about some cartoon displayed six months ago, but they don't show outrage when fellow extremist cut heads off people....or when they blow up innocent women & children. IN my view...there is something wrong with that whole culture.
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Well I took a look over on Slate (they have a link to the site with the 12 cartoons) and there is nothing massively offensive to them along the lines of being "in the red light district of amersterdam in leather garters, etc."
I find it very, very interesting that the iman who brought copies of these pictures out of Denmark (where they were published in September) also brought another 3 that were NEVER published. And these three were really offensive along the lines of what Staga said he would create.
Gateway Pundit's conservative Jim Hoft blames a Danish imam who recently traveled to the Middle East for fanning the flames: "[T]he truth is that Imam Ahmad Abu Laban, brought at least 3 additional images, which HAD NEVER been published in any media source. They included a cartoon of Muhammad as a pedophile demon, Muhammed with a pig snout, and a praying Muslim being raped by a dog." (For more on where these extra images may have come from, read the Daily Telegraph's David Rennie.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2135604/
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Yes, it is offensive to muslims to picture Mohammed, depictions of him is against their religion. But none of the 12 pictured him like the 3 others that were brought along.
Plus, the Muslim Newspapers have done cartoons of Christians, Jews, and Hindis that are highly offensive along the lines that Staga portrays.
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Where did those three "extra" cartoons come from, that did so much to fuel the Danish cartoon row? Perhaps it is an academic point, but I, for one, am not sure I know the answer yet.
As I've written in earlier postings, the row took off after a delegation of Danish Muslim clerics and activists took themselves off to the Middle East to drum up support for their campaign against the 12 cartoons published in the Danish newspaper, "Jyllands-Posten".
They carried with them a 43 page dossier, containing not 12, but 15 images of the Prophet Mohammed. The three extras were far more obscene, depicting Mohammed with a pig's snout and labeling him a paedophile, and showing a praying Muslim being raped by a dog.
The Muslim delegates insisted they made clear the three extra cartoons were not from "Jyllands-Posten", but were included to show the level of racism faced by Danish Muslims. They say the images came from hate mail sent, anonymously, to Danish Muslims.
There is certainly a problem with this account: every time Danish or foreign reporters asked to meet the Muslims sent those letters, or simply to see the original hate mail, they were told no, or promised they would be made available, only for that promise not to be kept.
To me, the case is inconclusive - definitely worth reporting, but impossible to prove either way. Other voices in the blogosphere have already made up their minds, it seems, declaring the extra three cartoons were faked by the imams themselves.
In the US, lots of bloggers have been linking to Gateway Pundit, which pins the blame on the Copenhagen-based imam, Ahmed Abu Laban, stating as fact that he "faked obscene cartoons on his trip to the Middle East."
Gateway Pundit cites an interview with Abu Laban on the US Fox News network, including the following commentary by the Fox correspondent, Jonathon Hunt: "After the publication the Imam and others toured the Middle East showing the cartoons but adding three more new ones that were far more offensive than anything the paper published.
"He [Imam Ahmad Abu Laban] told us they were from threatening letters but promising to give us copies of those letters, he never did."
Also in the States, American Thinker, says: "these additional pictures were NOT published by the newspaper, but were completely fabricated by the delegation and inserted in the booklet."
The Brussels Journal, a blog which deserves credit for following the story long before the maintsream media, is slightly more cautious, posing the thought as a question. To quote from a recent posting of theirs, the original 12 cartoons were "so inoffensive in fact that alienated Danish Muslim fanatics had to add three truly offensive cartoons (of their own making?) to deliberately incite Islamic hatred against Denmark."
Another much-linked blog, the Counterterrorism blog, merely calls the extra cartoons "fabricated". Or were the images pulled from the internet - either by the imams, if they are lying, or by racist white Danes to create hate mail, if the imams are telling the truth.
One visitor to Gateway Pundit mentions an article in the Norwegian paper, Verdens Gang, which says the images were taken from "Christian fundamentalist websites in the US". This analysis is attributed to a professor at Oslo University. I do not speak Norwegian, but here is the link. More when I have it.
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From The Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=WERXKXUXYDP55QFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?view=BLOGDETAIL&grid=P30&blog=newsdesk&xml=/news/2006/02/06/bleurope06.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/06/ixportaltop.html)
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And the plot thickens...
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they should stick this one (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_01292006_520.gif) into Pravda also just to see how many millions they can PO in one day
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Originally posted by Staga
Why would anyone insult others religion? Just for the giggles?
That's as good a reason as any.
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I heard there were new demonstrations outside Islamabad after this picture of Britney Spears was published in several papers there.
(http://www.eonline.com/News/Photos/s/spears.020706.jpg)
Apparently not only the California motor vehicle code requres it, but a passage in the Koran requires children be restrained in the rear seat. 12 demonstrators were killed, many others injured.
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Originally posted by Staga
I wish I'd be an artist; I'd draw a picture of Jesus selling himself in Red Lights District Amsterdam wearing just a leather strings and having an huge dildo in his arse.
If you can't take the joke, **** you too :cool:
So you're for rioting if you don't like something? Figures.
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(http://worldnetdaily.com/images2/muhammed_cartoon_6.jpg)
Cracked me up... funny; not worth killing anybody over it. But then I thought 'Dogma' was a freakin riot; so maybe I'm a mite bent.
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Too bad every country doesn't jump on board and publish the cartoons..they would break off diplomatic relations with the world and it would be a better place.
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Charlie Hebdo, in France, is publishing the cartoons again. WTG!
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Originally posted by Staga
Why would anyone insult others religion? Just for the giggles?
http://www.geenstijl.nl/paginas/iraansetelekids.html
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I heard there were new demonstrations outside Islamabad after this picture of Britney Spears was published in several papers there.
(http://www.eonline.com/News/Photos/s/spears.020706.jpg)
Apparently not only the California motor vehicle code requres it, but a passage in the Koran requires children be restrained in the rear seat. 12 demonstrators were killed, many others injured.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Ok calling for help here.
I want to print up about 2 billion pictures of Mohamoud on self sticking labels.
Shoot video of me & anyone else we can get to cooperate putting these same labels on the bottom of our shoes.
Then cut to us dancing on mohamoud all over the USA.
They want war, fine, we give them war. They want to riot over a picture, ok lets give them a REAL excuse.
Almost all islamic country's seem to want to overthrow our culture, goverment, way of life, etc. Well if they feel that threatened, maybe its time to strike back!
Cartoons of Mohamoud on every pair of sneakers sold! Build em in bulk, give half of them away for free! Throw in a couple of CD's of our decadent western music with every pair!
Heck, free tee shirts & shoes for any woman in any islamic country who will break with tradition. IE you forgo the veil & the granny sacks and we'll reward you.
Fight fire with fire!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
http://www.geenstijl.nl/paginas/iraansetelekids.html
In my cartoons growing up they tended to shoot millions of rounds at each other, but never actually hit anything... except for vehicles in which case the good & bad guys bailed out just in the nick of time.
I even remember that episode where G.I. Joe & Cobra managed to swap equipment. G.I. Joe still kicked their butts.
...cartoons have seriously gone downhill.
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staga... you aren't really that stupid are you? I somehow believe that you would paint or draw what you say if you had the talent... most of us wouldn't
Why wouldn't we? Not our style... obscene without being funny.... number of reasons... I wouldn't kill you or threaten you with death tho. For one... it wouldn't bother me and for another...
Even if it did... I wouldn't act like a hysterical little sister who was being teased.
There are people like you and the cartoonists that pick on the poor old prophet... I don't really care... that's your business. When you tell the world (me) we can't look at the cartoons... well.. that's a whole nuther thing eh?
Staga... what would you suggest? would you suggest that nothing that offends anyone be allowed to be seen by anyone? Why were you not outraged over the christ on the cross in the jar of urine or... The passion of the christ.... both huge media events.... both offended millions of christians... where were ya?
lazs
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Laz,
Spit the hook out. You look silly with that dayglow trolling line sticking out of your mouth.......
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mav... ?
I am neither a christian nor a muslim.
lazs
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That has nothing to do with responding to staga's rather obvious troll, Laz.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4692518.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4692518.stm)
web sites are now being attacked.... :O
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
Yes it is absurd and oh so humanly typical to resort to violence in response to religuosly inflamatory cartoon.
But in retaliation are you going to mock somebody else's Jesus Christ? Ask yourself if that is the type of person that you want to be.
Baghdad, the city of peace, once brought medicine, mathematics, writing and monotheism, and civilization to my ancestors in europe.
Now the viking returns the favor.
The prodigy of europe are struggling to bring baghdad into modern civilization. That my friend is karma. Not the bull**** supernatural imagined version, but the real, logical, sequential karma of the buddha. That is; everything you do, even on a personal level, makes a difference. Be it negative or positive.
If we sow our seeds wisely in the arabian sands now, perhaps 2000 years from now our armies of redemption will come from the city of peace.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4694876.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4694876.stm)
Rut-Ro Raggy
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You know there is a Syrian consolate in Houston and an Iranian consolate operating out of the Pakistani consolate in Washington DC.
What is stopping anyone from counter-protesting. Some Muslem effigy roasting and Arab flag burning would make some nice nightly news.
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Umm, reality check....cartoons or not, when HASNT the muslim world exlpoded in anger at the rest of the world? Before this event, they were burning effigies of anyone who disagreed with them before. This time, they've opted to get mad at cartoons that aired in September...and show their anger at several countries versus one.
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Lets do a Muhammed cartoon and sign it underneath...
Michael Moore.
Wonder what would happen?
:D
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Originally posted by Westy
You know there is a Syrian consolate in Houston and an Iranian consolate operating out of the Pakistani consolate in Washington DC.
What is stopping anyone from counter-protesting. Some Muslem effigy roasting and Arab flag burning would make some nice nightly news.
Had to google the address, wasn't what I expected. I used to work 1 floor above a consulate, but I can't remember who it belonged to. The Syrian consulate, according to the address, is on the border of the Montrose area. That's the predominately gay area of Houston. For some reason, I find the irony absolutely hysterical.
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Maybe if someone would make a picture of Mohammad rooting Jesus at a gaybar, both sides would be equally insulted and all would be well. :aok
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Turns out these cartoons appeared in October (isn't that during Ramadon?) in Egypt but no one cared then, not until they were published in Western papers. Sounds like an inside Cleric job to start some anti-western vibes....
http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boycott-egypt.html
And the pig nose was actually a French clown at a "Pig Festival" - it never even appeared in the Danish paper at all.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/775
http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54
In his letter of “apology” Jyllands-Posten editor Carsten Juste wrote:
“In our opinion the 12 cartoons were moderate and not intended to be insulting. They did not go against Danish laws, but have evidently offended many Muslims, for which we apologize. Meanwhile a couple of offending cartoons have circulated in the Muslim world which were never published in Jyllands-Posten and which we would never have published if they had been offered to us. We would have dismissed them on the grounds that they breached our ethical limits.”
Indeed, the three cartoons breaching the paper’s ethical limits have been made by fanatical Muslim clerics themselves in order to set the world ablaze and provoke a religious war with the West.
Even under Western law the Danish radical imams belong in jail. Their hate crime must be punished. The imams are the hate preachers who are responsible for the destruction and the fatalities that resulted from their lies and their blasphemy. One of these lying imams is Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban. He works as a translator and distributor of an al-Qaeda related publication.
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Originally posted by Toad
Hooray for Samodurov!
[seinfeld voice]Unleash the cartoons![/seinfeld voice]
From Lingvo dictionary. [transliteration from Cyrillic] Samodur: despot; petty tyrant, wilful person
I'll add another meaning: an idiot who doesn't care.
When Orthodox crowd stormed their anti-Christian exhibition - I was on their side, only until I heard their explainations. I am not a big fan of our beloved Orthodox church, but I think they'd better get the bastards who organize such "shows", not the exhibits.
A good example of liberastic moral: "we'll do it because we have Sacred Freedom of Speech, and we do it simply because we want it, and we'll get publicity in any case".
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whoever came up with 'mohamed sneakers with the prophets image on the sole' deserves an award.
also like 'prophet bumper sticker' idea... the cartoon with the prophets doo-rag a bomb with a lit fuse would be perfect.
was it alan dershowitz that quipped "now, we're going to have to license cartoons and cartoonists since it's obvious they are deadly weapons too".
LOL!
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I just came across this link - it's another take on what's going on behind the scenes:
http://realtegan.blogspot.com/2006/02/what-its-really-about.html
Basically, the it's saying 12 original cartoons didn't really cause much trouble when they first came out. However, this blog (which points to another one that I can't get to right now) mentions three other cartoons that were depicted along with the other 12. By the descriptions,
they're quite a bit worse than the original 12. All this occuring quite soon after the deaths that occurred during the Hajj (I assume it was the "suitcase" stampede). Doesn't this "uh oh... hey look over there!" sound familiar? Anyone see if the other cartoons really exist?
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You know, I bet the people that have thier undies in a bunch over there in the sandbox won't care if the situation was a misunderstanding/mistake...
Remember, kiddies, Islam is peace...and it is infalable. Allah wills it, so it shall be done.
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Nope, I wouldn't think it would matter either. The bottom line is those cartoons don't warrant that kind of reaction they're getting. If that article is true it's another reason why the Saudis really aren't our friends. Who needs a friend who's going to push you in front of a charging bear so he can run away?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I heard there were new demonstrations outside Islamabad after this picture of Britney Spears was published in several papers there.
(http://www.eonline.com/News/Photos/s/spears.020706.jpg)
Apparently not only the California motor vehicle code requres it, but a passage in the Koran requires children be restrained in the rear seat. 12 demonstrators were killed, many others injured.
Oh my gawd... she's driving with the passenger door open.
(http://www.celebritynooz.com/celebrities/images/bs-driving2.jpg)
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Originally posted by nirvana
Didn't the Soviets knock on Afghanistan's door in the 80's, then the U.S. came to help? Would the U.S. help the Russians or the Islamic fanatics this time? Maybe it will be a U.S. vs U.S. war. Stay tuned for more details...
no you are wrong. Rambo went to help. though Chuck Norris would have done it alot faster, and with more bodies.