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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on February 10, 2006, 10:14:54 AM
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Time for some rightious indignation here.
Tom Delay, the darling of the Conservative right, upholder of American values and defender of Christian morals protects people who use slavelike conditions to keep workers and even perform FORCED ABORTIONS. Where has this story gone? Where is the "liberal media"? Christians throughout the land should be beating the drums to oust this idiot from office, but wait! He's a republican! They can't!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/
91 percent of the workforce who were immigrants -- from China, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh -- were being paid barely half the U.S. minimum hourly wage and were forced to live behind barbed wire in squalid shacks minus plumbing, work 12 hours a day, often seven days a week, without any of the legal protections U.S. workers are guaranteed
Murkowski wrote a bill to extend the protection of U.S. labor and minimum-wage laws to the workers in the U.S. territory of the Northern Marianas.
..........But one man primarily stopped the U.S. House from even considering that worker-reform bill: then-House Republican Whip Tom DeLay.
According to law firm records recently made public, lobbyist Jack Abramoff, paid millions to stop reform and keep the status quo, met personally at least two dozen times with DeLay on the subject in one two-year period. The DeLay staff was often in daily contact with Abramoff.
DeLay fully approved of the working and living conditions. The Texan's salute to the owners and Abramoff's government clients was recorded by ABC-TV News: "You are a shining light for what is happening to the Republican Party, and you represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America and leading the world in the free-market system"
Later, DeLay would tell The Washington Post's Juliet Eilperin that the low-wage, anti-union conditions of the Marianas constituted "a perfect petri dish of capitalism. It's like my Galapagos Island."
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An american politician is not a public servant. He is an employee of corperate enterprise. Much like an accountant, or an attorney. The apex of success in america isn't to be the president or political repressentative, but to be one of the of the guys who the politicians works for.
Last presidential election pitted a skull and bones member against a skull and bones member. Will we ever again see a president who comes from the worker/consumer entity that is the american citizenry? It's a rhetorical question.
The business of america is business.
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We live in the information age.
Can someone tell me why we still need an elected representative?
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If we didn't ? Who would protect the interests of big money?
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OMGWTF a politician being a scum bag?
MT you have set my world on its ear!!;)
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But MT, you forgetting that "Tom Delay is a good man."
Disclaimer: the preceding statement was dripping with sarcasm playing off previous statements made by members of this esteemed bbs.
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People still hate Hillary more that Delay? I wonder why?
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She's a scumbag too?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
People still hate Hillary more that Delay? I wonder why?
"Congress is being run like a plantation....and you all KNOW what I mean by that" -Hillary Clinton
At least she's honest about her pandering.
Then there's "not one democrat took one dime of Ambramoff money" -Howard Dean, Chairman DNC
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid wrote at least four letters helpful to Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff, and the senator's staff regularly had contact with the disgraced lobbyist's team about legislation affecting other clients.
The activities _ detailed in billing records and correspondence obtained by The Associated Press _ are far more extensive than previously disclosed. They occurred over three years as Reid collected nearly $68,000 in donations from Abramoff's firm, lobbying partners and clients.
Reid's office acknowledged Thursday having "routine contacts" with Abramoff's lobbying partners and intervening on some government matters _ such as blocking some tribal casinos _ in ways Abramoff's clients might have deemed helpful. But it said none of his actions were affected by donations or done for Abramoff.
"All the actions that Senator Reid took were consistent with his long- held beliefs, such as not letting tribal casinos expand beyond reservations, and were taken to defend the interests of Nevada constituents," spokesman Jim Manley said.
Reid, D-Nev., has led the Democratic Party's attacks portraying Abramoff's lobbying and fundraising as a Republican scandal. But Abramoff's records show his lobbying partners billed for nearly two dozen phone contacts or meetings with Reid's office in 2001 alone.
Most were to discuss Democratic legislation that would have applied the U.S. minimum wage to the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory and Abramoff client, but would have given the islands a temporary break on the wage rate, the billing records show.
Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff's tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.
...Abramoff's firm also hired one of Reid's top legislative aides as a lobbyist. The aide later helped throw a fundraiser for Reid at Abramoff's firm that raised donations from several of his lobbying partners. And Reid's longtime chief of staff accepted a free trip to Malaysia arranged by a consulting firm connected to Abramoff that recently has gained attention in the influence-peddling investigation that has gripped the Capitol.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/09/D8FLR3380.html
Scum is as scum does.
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MT, you've asked over and over here why Hillary is hated. I was wondering if you had acquired any perspective of your own this after all the words that have been typed on this issue.
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Delay is scum. Fat prettythang Teddy Kennedy is the biggest scum.
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Mention a Republican politician supporting forced abortions and near slavery and the response is there to see.
Mention the word Hillary and .... hehe... you guys crack me up.
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I'll be honest here. I say to hell with the Repubs and Dems. They are ALL scum (no, one is NOT better than the other). I treat them like they treat me: they could give a rat's a** about my existence.
Karaya
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Mention a Republican politician supporting forced abortions and near slavery and the response is there to see.
Mention the word Hillary and .... hehe... you guys crack me up.
No MT its your math that's funny.....actually both sides do this for political jockeying.
Politics: Not supporting the bill = supporting abortions and slavery
Real Life: Not supporting the bill = not supporting the bill
Abortions....slavery.....plan tations. hmmm I see a definate theme here. I give it 18 days till we see the ever dreaded race card pulled to sum it all up.
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If you think all he did was "not support the bill" you didn't read the article.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If you think all he did was "not support the bill" you didn't read the article.
Yes I read the article and yes I think he did not support the bill.
If you ask, "do you think he did not support the bill because of 'contribution"? I would say yes
But then to be fair I would say "do democrats to include Reid do this"?:
I would say yes as well.
MT,
Playing the "who's more corrupt than who" card will just end up realizing that both parties are pretty much on an equal playing feild as far as being corrupt.
If the democrats wish to capitolize on this issue they better wish there own house is clean before doing whit glove inspections on others.
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republicrats have no morals of their own.
they're leased.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
"Congress is being run like a plantation....and you all KNOW what I mean by that" -Hillary Clinton
At least she's honest about her pandering.
Then there's "not one democrat took one dime of Ambramoff money" -Howard Dean, Chairman DNC
"Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid wrote at least four letters helpful to Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff..."
Scum is as scum does.
Balony.
Reid has received campaign money from Nevada Indian tribes for much longer than Abramoff has been around.
Is there anything wrong with that? No. Of course not. Saying so is akin to saying that it's a crime for politicians to receive donations from Microsoft and Shell. There is nothing illegal or shady about it, and the fact that Reid received Indian tribe money is no different. They are in Nevada, they are his constituents, and campaign donations are a staple of elections.
And... the fact is... tribe donations to Reid went DOWN since Abramoff came on the scene. Abramoff didn't direct money to Reid, he directed money AWAY from Reid.
But portray it however you want... Because as you sit there and watch Republican after Republican get indicted for Abramoff related crimes over the course of this next year, ponder why Reid will not, nor will any Democrat be indicted over this. Why? Misleading little attempts to try and tie Democrats like Reid to this scandal aside, Democrats were simply not involved. Tell me differently only at that moment when you see the "breaking" banner flash under some talking head stating that a Democrat has been implicated and charged. I'll not hold my breath. And I'll not take meaningless little "news" stories the likes quoted by you, which amount to nothing, seriously. Until then? I reserve the right to laugh at your noise.
You want real scandal? THIS WEEK ALONE:
CIA middle east agent Paul Pillar comes out and says the this admin didn't even request any strategic-level intelligence assessments on any aspect of Iraq. "The first request I received from any administration policy maker for any such assessment was not until a year into the war." Neat.
The WH was informed about the breach of the N.O. levees the day before they claimed that they were informed about it. Lie.
Bush claims no memory of ever meeting Abromoff, then several emails turn up, penned by Abramoff, describing their relationship and saying that he "joked with me about a bunch of things, including details of my kids."
Does Bush's memory suck this bad? Because I'm sensing a pattern here. Oh wait, Abramoff goes on to say "He has one of the best memories of any politician I have ever met."
What else happened this week?
Oh, also this week, Scooter Libby flips on his boss, saying that Cheney actually asked him to out the identity of a CIA operative. Also very neat.
Two chief FISA judges became outraged after learning that information gained from illegal wiretapping led to the issuing of warrants. Both judges had insisted that no information obtained this way be used to gain warrants from their court, and both had been assured by administration officials it would never happen. Guess what?
Hmm...
John Boehner, the Republican majority leader elected based largely on his claims to lead efforts in reforming lobbying rules after the ousting of DeLay, rents his DC abode from a lobbyist connected to Abramoff. Look at a picture of the guy and tell me if he doesn't look like the total archetype of a used car salesman. Is this really the go-to guy for ridding Republicans of scandal?
Really?.....
What else happened this week?...
Heather Wilson, Republican chairwoman of the House subcommittee overseeing the National Security Agency calls for a probe of the illegal wiretapping. Good on her.
This is nifty:
Bush's proposed budget contains a plan to set up private social security accounts and the means to put social security revenues into these accounts. Wait a sec.... Isn't this the exact same overhaul of Social Security that Bush took on the road last year and was soundly dismissed because nobody wanted this? That's okay.... It only takes a little sleight of hand and you can slip the entire program into page 321 of the budget and it becomes law.
I tell ya, these budgets shenanigans are getting downright comical. The Bush budget also projects $4 billion in oil leases for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge as an entitlement cut... yet... Congress didn't approve ANWR . Strange?
Well yeah. Suprising? You have got to be kidding.
Folks.... This all happened in the last 5 days.
The five days before that? The exact same crap.
And it goes on and on and on while you slowly get stripped of your rights, while your country falls behind in the world competitively, while the education of your children is undercut, while the cost of this incompetence is passed on to those same children, while the best of you fall in a war of choice, while your health care is gutted, while your deficits balloon, and while your world image is tarnished..... and on and on.
People used to love you. Do you know that?
Now I dare you to explain this administration to me using words even approximating any sense of success. Because they would be lies. They would be just exactly like this sham article equating Reid with Abramoff. Pure regurgitated spin aimed (with success, if folks here are any measure) at keeping you nice and complicit, with just the right dose of fear. The world's largest head fake.
It sucks.
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ahh that's charming. Nash going balistic trying to defend democrats against corruption.
Lets go down the Nash list shall we?
1. Democrats good, republicans corrupt
2. rebulicans incidted (wich ones nash?)
3. CIA WMD (yes please keep beating this dead horse. It has worked so far....NOT)
4. New Orleans
5. Bush meeting Abramoff
6. Scooter Libby
7. FISA
ect ect
8. Bush lies "even though you have nothing to back it up"
Lets just stop right there. Geesh Nash for a canadian you sure have a hand hold on American Democratic National Committee talking points
You mentioned 9 or 10 things that have absolutly no bearing on this thread. Congrats. :aok
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Real suprising.
A post that appears to look like something amounts to nothing. Is that all you can muster?
Only a list of the things I addressed, with no rebuttal, no... anything.
Not one thing.
I can't find what it is you're defending here.
You create a list of my words, and that's it.
"Lets go down the Nash list shall we?" says you.
You then proceed to make bullet points out of my post.
Then you say "Lets just stop right there."
I start to get scared. Oh no.... Is Gunslinger going to be the person that gives the lie to all that I am? In how many ways is this man going to dice me?
Then you fail to address a single one of them.
What the hell are you doing?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
You mentioned 9 or 10 things that have absolutly no bearing on this thread. Congrats. :aok
While you have completely ignored what this thread is about.
1. Slavery in a US protestorate.
2. Forced abortions by companies in a US protectorate.
3. Approval of the operations of these companies by the Republican leader of the House, Delay.
4. The defeat of a law that would have changed these practices by this same Republican leader.
5. Payola and free excursions given to Delay.
6. A speech by Delay calling these companies "his Galapagos of Capitalism".
7. And to top it off the bill was written by the most Conservative senator of them all, so it can't be called a dem-rep issue. It is just plain old larcony of the American people... including the ones in Saipan.
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None of those things are costing me money or taking away my guns or building more socialism.
Republicans are scum but democrats cause me more grief. Rather some republican make wage slaves out of some nothing country than some democrat make a wage slave to the government out of me.
And... I want the ability to shoot back. I want to own my own property and I don't want a stronger EPA complete with starry eyed granola eaters and power grabbers and junk science grabbing every cent they can and growing their agency as fast as they can.
lazs
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I'm not defending anyone not the least of tom Delay.
But it's typical when talking about corruption that the corruption on the other side of the isle is completly ignored. At least I'm not in here spouting RNC talking points.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
But it's typical when talking about corruption that the corruption on the other side of the isle is completely ignored. At least I'm not in here spouting RNC talking points.
Are you kidding? That IS an RNC talking point.
"Everyone does it."
You try to make that case by painting a picture of Reid doing something wrong. Yet... he didn't do anything wrong. This is the muddying of the waters that the GOP would so love everyone to parrot.
"They're all corrupt."
Again, go ahead and let me know when a Democrat gets indicted over this. Like I said, I won't be holding my breath.
It's funny. For a party that possesses all three branches of government, they sure do love to trash talk it. "Keep the Federal government out of my State!" "Smaller government!" "Fer chrissakes, we're all corrupt!"
It absolutely reeks of hypocrisy. Republicans meddle in State's rights. Republicans balloon the size of the government. Republicans are dropping like flies as a result of their corruption.
They can win elections, thanks to guys like you. I'll give them that. But they sure as hell are clueless at actually governing. For all their broken-record disdain for government, it hardly surprises me that they'd suck at, you know, doing it.
Anyways.
MT makes a post that notes the lack of outrage over more Delay shenanigans by those here who are so trigger happy to be outraged over these very issues. The problem, it's noted, is that this was done by a Republican. So instead we get sheepish relativism and a decoy by the name of Reid-did-something-wrong-and-everyone-is-corrupt.
You know damned well that had this been a Democrat you would be screaming bloody murder. The hypocrisy didn't go unnoticed by MT and it certainly doesn't go unnoticed by me.
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Originally posted by Nash
Are you kidding? That IS an RNC talking point.
"Everyone does it."
You try to make that case by painting a picture of Reid doing something wrong. Yet... he didn't do anything wrong. This is the muddying of the waters that the GOP would so love everyone to parrot.
Again, go ahead and let me know when a Democrat gets indicted over this. Like I said, I won't be holding my breath.
It's funny. For a party that possesses all three branches of government, they sure do love to trash talk it. "Keep the Federal government out of my State!" "Smaller government!" "Fer chrissakes, we're all corrupt!"
"They're all corrupt."
It absolutely reeks of hypocrisy. Republicans meddle in State's rights. Republicans balloon the size of the government. Republicans are dropping like flies as a result of their corruption.
They can win elections, thanks to guys like you. I'll give them that. But they sure as hell are clueless at actually governing. For all their broken-record disdain for government, it hardly surprises me that they'd suck at, you know, doing it.
Anyways.
MT makes a post that notes the lack of outrage over more Delay shenanigans by those here who are so trigger happy to be outraged over these very issues. The problem, it's noted, is that this was done by a Republican. So instead we get sheepish relativism and a decoy by the name of Reid-did-something-wrong-and-everyone-is-corrupt.
You know damned well that had this been a Democrat you would be screaming bloody murder. The hypocrisy didn't go unnoticed by MT and it certainly doesn't go unnoticed by me.
Well let me know when Delay gets indicted on these charges and is convictd and I will show you all the outrage you want. If you think anyone doesnt care about this because he's a republican you are dead wrong. Just look at the Duke Cunningham thread for that.
The FACT of the matter is Delay and Reid havn't been convicted on any of these issues but you want to spin it as "Delay is scum and Reid did nothing wrong"
Most were to discuss Democratic legislation that would have applied the U.S. minimum wage to the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory and Abramoff client, but would have given the islands a temporary break on the wage rate, the billing records show.
Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff's tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.
OMG reid did the same thing MT is accusing Delay of doing......NOT PROTECTING WORKERS PAY
And Reid's longtime chief of staff accepted a free trip to Malaysia arranged by a consulting firm connected to Abramoff
WOW a FREE trip.....nope no scum here either.....he did nothing wrong.
You two need to get real. When the convictions are handed out you'll see my outrage.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
When the convictions are handed out you'll see my outrage.
Promise? ;)
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Originally posted by Nash
Promise? ;)
Definatly. I felt pitty for Duke Cunningham because he was a vet and an ACE. But, I also felt betrayed that he is a trusted public servant and betrayed that trust that the voters bestowed on him. I would feel the same way for any politician that knowingly breaks the law and violates the trust of the people no matter wich side of the isle they sit on.
As I said before. If the Dems want to make a "Culture of Corruption" there running theme next elections they better make sure that their own house is clean first.
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Republican scandal. Mmmkay?
No money from Abramoff went to Democrats. None. What exactly about that are you having trouble with? Please - I would love to help you out here.
Yet from you, we get "pitty."
We get "no matter wich side of the isle they sit on."
We get "Dems."
We get "making sure that their own house is clean first."
Where is this coming from?
Instead of condemning the actions you know about, you're gonna take a wait and see posture because of actions which there isn't any evidence of. Puhlease.
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Originally posted by Nash
Republican scandal. Mmmkay?
No money from Abramoff went to Democrats. None. What exactly about that are you having trouble with? Please - I would love to help you out here.
Yet from you, we get "pitty."
We get "no matter wich side of the isle they sit on."
We get "Dems."
We get "making sure that their own house is clean first."
Where is this coming from?
Instead of condemning the actions you know about, you're gonna take a wait and see posture because of actions which there isn't any evidence of. Puhlease.
Yes I will take a wait and see attitude because Liberals and the media tend to make mountains out of mole hills any time there's a hint of inproprioty involving a republican.
But let me just get this strait. Harry Reid took money from Abramoff's firm and several Indian tribes that he represents, but that doesnt count as Abramoff money? Is that your contention? Does this apply to republicans as well that in as long as they didn't take it from Abramoff himself they didn't take any Abramoff money to include Abramoff's firm, his clients, and their staffs?
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Originally posted by Nash
No money from Abramoff went to Democrats. None.
AFAIK, a very small percentage did go to Dems. Not relevant to your point though.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yes I will take a wait and see attitude because Liberals and the media tend to make mountains out of mole hills any time there's a hint of inproprioty involving a republican.
But let me just get this strait. Harry Reid too money from Abramoff's firm and several Indian tribes that he represents, but that doesnt count as Abramoff money? Is that your contention? Does this apply to republicans as well that in as long as they didn't take it from Abramoff himself they didn't take any Abramoff money to include Abramoff's firm, his clients, and their staffs?
First off, let me again try to beat this into your brain. Reid took no (that is zero, nothing, nada) from Abramoff.
Let's examine your words for a minute, okay? You say:
"Harry Reid too money from Abramoff's firm and several Indian tribes that he represents,"
That's simply not true. Or at least not true as you'd have it.
Did Reid take money from tribes that Abramoff also happened to represent? Yes.
Did he take campaign contributions from those tribes before Abramoff strated ripping them off? Yes.
Anything wrong with that? No.
Did Reid take "money from Abramoff's firm?" No
Do politicians accept contributions from groups, corporations, unions, etc? Yes.
Is that legal? Yes.
Is there anything illegal about accepting funds from the same people that Abramoff also happened to be representing? No.
Did Reid's contributions from those tribes start to diminish once Abramoff took over and started to direct that money to Republicans? Yes.
Did Reid do any favours for these groups in a quid pro quo? No.
Did Republicans? Yes.
Well isn't there some kind of impropriety about receiving money from groups who became clients of Abramoff? No. Unless you are guilty of smuggling because your Grandma smokes Cuban cigars.
Still missing something here? Go ahead and ask.
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So it's a coincidence that these indian tribes happened to be represented by Abramoff and that Reid did vote in favor to help them out and none of this:
Reid, D-Nev., has led the Democratic Party's attacks portraying Abramoff's lobbying and fundraising as a Republican scandal. But Abramoff's records show his lobbying partners billed for nearly two dozen phone contacts or meetings with Reid's office in 2001 alone.
Most were to discuss Democratic legislation that would have applied the U.S. minimum wage to the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory and Abramoff client, but would have given the islands a temporary break on the wage rate, the billing records show.
Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff's tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.
Actually links Ried with Abramoff at all?
and nothing wrong with the Indian tribes that have supported Democrats more than Republicans. They seem to be the Abramoff clients who are getting most of the attention.
nope just a coincidence huh?
Never mind the FACT that Congressional Investigators (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060110-115655-1555r_page2.htm) in the Abramoff probe are focusing their attention on five "top tier" Congressional suspects: Senators Conrad Burns, Montana Republican; Byron Dorgan, North Dakota Democrat; and Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, along with Reps. J.D. Hayworth, Arizona Republican, and Bob Ney, Ohio Republican
Then there's the report that 40 of the 45 Deomcrat Senators have recieved money (legal or otherwise) from Abramoff's firm and/or his clients. But that's just coincidence huh?
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Completely apart from the discussion here, but in answer to MT's subject header, I'd like to say that Tom Delay is the scummiest of scum, more so than any politician I can think of.
Qualifier: I am a Texan who leans slightly more right than left, and detests both political parties. There are very few politicians I approve of. Still, Delay stands out in my mind.
culero (who doesn't even care about this particular issue, really)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
So it's a coincidence...
Give me a break. I aint a five year-old.
Abramoff was lobbying AGAINST this legislation. Reid was in SUPPORT of it. He ranted on the floor about it.
Hell - HE COSPONSERED THE DANG BILL ABRAMOFF WAS AGAINST!
And you want to connect him to some kind of quid pro quo over it?
That is just loony.
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hillary is the devil :cry
delay is just her little vibro tool :aok
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term limits
and remove the right to vote themselves a raise while lowering their retirement packages
make the position one of serving the public best interests first over getting fitlhy rich and all powerful
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Originally posted by Eagler
term limits
and remove the right to vote themselves a raise while lowering their retirement packages
make the position one of serving the public best interests first over getting fitlhy rich and all powerful
Campaign finance and lobby reform is what we need.
I don't favor term limits.
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I think it's time to get our representatives and senators out of Washington altogether.
Limit them to one week in DC either side of the SOU, and the rest of the time they are required to stay in their own states and districts. They can vote and suggest legislation by secure data link, question witness and nominees via video link.
Keep them at home and I have easier access to my representative, and the lobbists have a harder time. That and a max 12 years and I think things would be a whole lot better.
Oh and they must be disbarred if elected.
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Aint that just so typical.
Make the penalties harsher, say folks like Eagler.
What a novel solution (that we hear time and time again).
Well here's an idea.
How about just enforcing the damned laws that are perfectly adequate and already exist?
Hows about Repugs actually abide by them?
Guys. The laws forbidding this DO exist. DA's across the country are investigating and prosecutting.
This starts at Abramoff but it sure doesn't end there. Just today three more Republicans have been implicated.
Law works.
(mostly)
But come on. Blame laws or the lack thereof? Blame the lack of term limits? What the hell is stuck in your throat? Why not instead (holy smokes) BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING THE GAWDAMNED LAW?
Jeese - what an outlandish suggestion.
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To answer the original question, Delay is what pond scum becomes after it has been on the pond for years and has morphed into uberscum.
As for the current debate, are there crooked Democrat politicians as well as Republicans? The answer is they are both career politicians, therefore they are crooks. It's the nature of the beast.
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Nah, thats not the debate.
What we are seeing here is the typical scenario now-a-days.
Someone from the ruling party gets his hand caught in the cookie jar...It is reported (poorly in this case). The talking heads for the ruling party immediately begin looking for ways to blame everyone else.
Or in the case of this BBS,
The coolaid drinkers immediately begin looking for democrats who might have done something similar. Why? Because it proves their guy innocent? Hardly, just to get that warm fuzzy glow that they can't be all bad.
Of course in this case they have nothing.
AND Delay is still a two faced scum sucking piece of crap who supported slavery and forced abortions.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Nah, thats not the debate.
What we are seeing here is the typical scenario now-a-days.
Someone from the ruling party gets his hand caught in the cookie jar...It is reported (poorly in this case). The talking heads for the ruling party immediately begin looking for ways to blame everyone else.
Or in the case of this BBS,
The coolaid drinkers immediately begin looking for democrats who might have done something similar. Why? Because it proves their guy innicent? Hardly, just to get that warm fuzzy glow that they can't be all bad.
Of course in this case they have nothing.
AND Delay is still a two faced scum sucking piece of crap who supported slavery and forced abortions.
Show me any where in this thread were I defended Delay or excused what some corrupt politicians may have done. Keep toting that partyline "culture of corruption" its going to work well.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Show me any where in this thread were I defended Delay or excused what some corrupt politicians may have done. Keep toting that partyline "culture of corruption" its going to work well.
You did exactly what I said you did in my last post.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Show me any where in this thread were I defended Delay or excused what some corrupt politicians may have done. Keep toting that partyline "culture of corruption" its going to work well.
How about your first post in this thread?
"Congress is being run like a plantation....and you all KNOW what I mean by that" -Hillary Clinton
At least she's honest about her pandering.
Then there's "not one democrat took one dime of Ambramoff money" -Howard Dean, Chairman DNC
quote: (some misleading crap)
Scum is as scum does.
You're joking, right?
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Originally posted by Sandman
We live in the information age.
Can someone tell me why we still need an elected representative?
I seriously doubt whether the system we beleive to be our election system is even the way it works anymore. Just another illusion to pacify the masses. Like the guy said aboeve, we are only allowed to vote for employes of the corporate world. The presidient is just a hood ornament on the battleship. I cant wait for the future, corporate warfare.
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Originally posted by Nash
BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING THE GAWDAMNED LAW?
Great idea; should be applied top to bottom, across the board.
Even applies to the gun debate, doesn't it.
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Sure does.
But it's more than just a great idea.
Because it's such a great idea, that the writers of laws, wrote these laws.
The fact that the writers of laws turn around and break their own laws while demading that everyone else abide by them should be met with scorn. Not relativism. Anger, not complacency.
Instead?
Well, you know....
I'm not up to speed on gunz lawz, but you better believe that the same standard must apply. As long as it does, I'm game.
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But it doesn't. For example, that's what the gun banners are all about. Punish the multitude of innocent for the actual crimes of the few. It's the old Army Basic Training routine.
Delay? If they can prove criminal charges on him, hang him high. Same for all other criminal politicians of any party, stripe or rank. If they can prove criminal charges on Boosh...hang him. Responsibility/Accountability.
Even if they don't "get" Delay on criminal charges I'd be surprised if the people of his district re-elect him. There's gotta be someone else.
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There are a number of politicians in the Republican Party who have let us all down.
They deserve the strongest possible punishment.
But I will CONTINUE to vote the conservative ticket - while demanding that they clean house - because I prefer that ideology over the liberal one.
The preposterous premise floating around here is that, somehow, Democrats are intrinsically honest, while Republicans are corrupt. That is a steaming pile of bs. A talking point. I vote for the platform, the ideology. And past that, I am for weeding out all corrupt politicians.
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ah yes. corrupt republicans. well, think you can trust the party to indict it's corrupt politicians? or for that matter, think the dems can be trusted to indict their slimeballs??
me neither.
release the hoooouuuunnnds!
methinks it's way past independent counsel and special prosecutor time. we ain't gonna get any real changes in the way either party does buisness till crooked politicans do jail time.. otherwise the new butts that warm the old chairs will have the same crooked cracks.
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I'd like to see serious jail time for the corrupt ones, they deserve more hard time than a regular citizen due to their special position of trust. But I aint holding my breath...
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Originally posted by Nash
Aint that just so typical.
Make the penalties harsher, say folks like Eagler.
I said that where in this thread?
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What is a corrupt politician? One that doesn't do what his financiers ask of him?
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If you can prove that republicans are corrupt (catch and convict) then by all means throw the book at em.
That does not mean that I will support the creeping socialism and nanny state and the removal of my constitutional rights by voting for democrats in the next (or any election).
Given the choice of voting for a known theif republican and a democrat who supported removing second amendment rights....
I will vote for the corrupt republican.
If all democrats offer me is that they are not as corrupt in one thing or another.... that does not make up for them being commies and anti constitutionalists.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Blah, blah, blah... your party is corrupt, my party is not. Look how biased you are!
Paraprashing, of course.