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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: storch on February 11, 2006, 07:58:41 PM
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over stuff like bumper stickers or what might be on a T shirt? moslems not withstanding apparently they are easy to upset. would someone be phyiscally assaulted over a bush/cheney bumper sticker while cruising bedford-stuyvesant in an SL500?
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There's a town by me named West Chester (PA, not new york). It is a liberal hot bed. If you go in there with Cheney/Bush stickers, there's a good possibility your car will get scratched, dented, so on and so forth. It might even happen while you are driving.
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When I met MT in Kalifornia, he punched me in the mouth for wearing a "W" cap. I wish he would've just asked first though...the W stood for Wonder Woman!
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I'm beginning to see this conflict more as a clash of cultures. They really appear to be 1000 years behind us. So much of their first responses is abject violence. And within their own society. I was approached to sign a petition last summer when I was walking around shopping. In Iran they hung to boys one 15 the other 16 for having gay sex. I signed the petition which was dozens of pages of signatures already to voice my outrage over this kind of thing.
The Taliban used to use the large sports stadium to have public executions. I really sense that something has awakened in the west with this current rioting and violence over the cartoons. It sure has in me.
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Originally posted by SOB
When I met MT in Kalifornia, he punched me in the mouth for wearing a "W" cap. I wish he would've just asked first though...the W stood for Wonder Woman!
Dammit man! I punched you because it stood for Wonder Woman!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Dammit man! I punched you because it stood for Wonder Woman!
I punched him because it stood for "w00t" :D
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Originally posted by SOB
When I met MT in Kalifornia, he punched me in the mouth for wearing a "W" cap. I wish he would've just asked first though...the W stood for Wonder Woman!
pffft. more like a limp wristed left handed girly throw attempt at a slap, which no doubt lossened some of your teeth and left you out cold.
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I didn't pass out, but I did have a good cry that lasted longer than the pain. Unfortunately, Airhead wasn't there to console me. :(
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
There's a town by me named West Chester (PA, not new york). It is a liberal hot bed. If you go in there with Cheney/Bush stickers, there's a good possibility your car will get scratched, dented, so on and so forth. It might even happen while you are driving.
really? have there been any documented incidents of that type of behavior?
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the closest I've ever seen was during the 1980 mariel boatlift when castro vomited 100,000 undesirables here in s. florida. the massive influx did put a large strain on the community. some long time residents fled to gainsville and points north causing others to devise a bumper sticker that read "will the last american leaving miami please bring the flag" it offended some people. I personally found it to be funny. some folks countered with another sticker that said "don't worry the flag will still be here when you return" so there was a sort of bumper sticker war going on. a friend who is a sign maker came up with one that said "will the last bigot leaving miami see me for gas money" which I found extremely humorous and had one on my pick up. no one ever asked me for gas money though.
another friend had a "run jesse run" bumper sticker on his truck. he got it from the failed jesse jackson presidential nomination supporters during his presidential bid in 1984 I think. he placed that on his front bumper and he never had any problems with that either even though we work in very hostile predominantly black areas.
another friend had a bumper sticker that asked "if little girls are made from sugar and spice why do women smell like fish?" and he did get lots of grief for that and eventually removed it but never any violent reactions.
lastly there is a huge gay population here and they proudly fly their usurped and unoriginal "rainbow flags" and rainbow bumper stickers also with no apparent ill efffect.
it must be a moslem thing.
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Funny, a friend of mine had his window smashed in by someone who took offense at his darwin fish.
(http://www.darwinfishwholesale.com/images/DarwinFishLicensePlate.jpg)
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it wasnt bumper sticker related, but in the Tucson walmart parking lot this guy started to back up without looking almost over my wife, and after I pushed her out of the way, I buried the punching key on my key ring in his toyotas taligate, left a nifty dent 2 ft square with a little hole in the middle. Unfortunatly he didnt get out :( :mad: , woulda loved to seen the look on his face when he saw the damage.
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I never had any body make a huge issue of it, but there are a few neighborhoods around where I get some strange looks from the 2 stickers I had on my last truck.
the first said "If we weren't supposed to eat animals, why do they make them outta meat?"
and the other I made by cutting up one of those "Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty" and changed it to
"practice sense and act less random"
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Funny, a friend of mine had his window smashed in by someone who took offense at his darwin fish.
(http://www.darwinfishwholesale.com/images/DarwinFishLicensePlate.jpg)
What's the western version of "HALALALALA" ?
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My father's jeep was scratched. There were no signs of forced entry, nor was anything taken. He had the only car in the area that was scratched, and none of the other cars had Bush stickers on them.
I have seen it multiple times when I've gone through West Chester.
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Why would people take offense to something meant to be offensive?
What I can't particularly figure out is why someone would have the darwin fish on their car for any reason other than mocking christianity.
Then again, I can't understand why it would be predominantly christian pubilications that are publishing the muslim cartoons.
I think alot of this is the equivelant to trolling on the internet. You try to illicit a reaction and then laugh at people for doing it. Unfortunately, in real life it can lead to a slap in the face, a broken window or even worse.
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storch, you have to accept that different sets of people have different systems of values. You can't expect another set of people (eg. muslims) to respect your values, if you don't respect their values. So just because a T-shirt/darwin fish/whatever doesn't offend you does not mean it won't offend anyone else. To you, it might just be words on a piece of cloth. But plenty of Americans took offence in recent years at the burning of pieces of cloth which had red and white stripes and 50 stars. Plenty more Americans took offence at news footage showing people dancing in the streets in middle eastern countries... nothing wrong with that, except that it was on and immediately after Sept.11th,2001.
If you disrespect others according to their values, they won't respect you, and will probably hate you for it. And there is plenty of evidence of exactly that in the world of today.
How's Mrs. Storch's gas-guzzler going - running OK? :cool:
SOB - I'm sorry you were put to so much pain, and even sorrier that I wasn't there to kiss it better for you. :)
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"If you disrespect others according to their values, they won't respect you, and will probably hate you for it. And there is plenty of evidence of exactly that in the world of today."
Some value systems aren't worth respecting. Aztec human sacrifices, anyone? How about Pol Pot's value system; was the Khmer Rouge deserving of respect?
You are correct in that such people will indeed hate those who oppose them. That doesn't mean such opposition is unjust or unwarranted.
J_A_B
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J_A_B - true, but I was responding to what Storch said. The examples you gave fall well outside of the scope of storch's original post.
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What I found interesting about Storch's initial post is how he seems to have his head stuck in the sand. How many times have we had riots and massive social unrest over things like trial outcomes (remember Rodney King/LA?) and sporting events? How many times on the evening news do we hear about a couple people killing each other over something trivial? Not only does that sort of thing happen here, it's so commonplace we barely even notice it anymore.
However, it's worth nothing that such behavior is socially unacceptable here, while in some parts of the world murder and "martyrdom" is apparently celebrated and even encouraged.
J_A_B
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yup chairboy have seen those and have heard people comment on the stupidity of having one. again I find it funny. the even funnier one is the one the jews have that is the elliptical fish and inside it says gefelte. that one is a hoot and i'm chuckling now thinking about it. but I have never (until now) heard of anyone's property being damaged because of it.
beet1e, again the images of a burning american flag don't cause me to go out and unravel a shik's turban. there is a mosque right up the road from where I live and many of my neighbors are moslems. just because a bunch of backwards idiots were dancing for joy at the reported deaths of 3000 people due a the senseless act perpetrated by a bunch of low self esteem chimps for stupid reasons would not cause me and apparently anyone else here to injure or harrass those that live here. I like some of the moslems that live here and share a beer and burger with them during community events. what I did hear recently is that neighborhood kids painted a huge stick man and labeled it "muhammad" in the mosque parking lot. the members were pissed because mohammad was mis-spelled and they (members of the congregation) had to paint over it and the whole parking at the urging and insistance of their imam. sounds like what our pastor would do under similar circumstances. I have often stated that the moslems I know or know of here are moslem the same way I'm christian. they are secular and are quite content to live in a secular society.
the monster now has 10,000 miles on it I enjoy it so much I use it more than she does. it is costing me about $75.00 in fuel and estimated maintenance per day to operate. I will buy an F350 4x2 diesel crew cab short bed in the next week or so. I'm waiting for the salesman to call me when the next shipment of new trucks has arrived.
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J_A_B the rodney king riots weren't about caricatures. they were about the beating of man by people in authority in country that condemns that type of action. while those riots were senseless it's not even remotely on the same scale as what the moslems are doing over some silly cartoons. I'm fairly sure I could have an openly racist bumper sticker on my truck here and no one would attack me or my truck. there could be consequences that the attacker is very well aware of. for further clarification I'm asking the question from my perspective as a southern floridian, a place that is far from being homogenous, in fact I believe we are as multicultural as new york, if on a smaller scale. recently a haitian woman was arrested at ftl for attempting to smuggle a human head, the complete head with skin, eyes and hair through customs. she is a grand poohbah of the voodoo religion and the head is important in their rituals and sacraments. yup we're multicultural here.
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Storch - fair comment. I don't really have anything to add, except to this:
Originally posted by storch
the monster now has 10,000 miles on it I enjoy it so much I use it more than she does. it is costing me about $75.00 in fuel and estimated maintenance per day to operate.
:eek::O:eek:
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yup I currently drive upwards of 200 miles per day, sometimes 300. I could do the same in the toyota and did for many years for about 1/2 that amount but the comfort of that SUV is unparalleled in my workaday experience and it seems a price worth paying to me. I am looking forward to the diesel though. I made that decision partly on what you posted about your diesel. this thing will be another richly appointed 3 ton monster too though. 6L V-8 diesel automatic transmission I suspect my fuel consumption to drop dramatically as most of my mileage is highway miles.
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When I was younger (ahem..) I had a 1976 Int'l Scout with a 4" lift and oversized tires. I had bumper sticker in the rear window on the inside (so it would not get damaged) that said
We don't give a DAMN
how they do it in California![/i]
I used to get flipped off alot on the freeway in the mid-80's when we had a huge upsurge of Cali insurgency.
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Scout II by chance? :)
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Scout II by chance? :)
Karaya
Yep. :) Automatic.
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are you sure you weren't getting flipped off for driving that hideously designed and possibly built for gay people vehicle?
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Originally posted by storch
are you sure you weren't getting flipped off for driving that hideously designed and possibly built for gay people vehicle?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Could have been the primitive forms of early SUV haters! ;)
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Originally posted by storch
are you sure you weren't getting flipped off for driving that hideously designed and possibly built for gay people vehicle?
Actually the Scout II is up there with the Early Bronco as one of the best "all-around" 4x4's of all time. If he still had it, I'd buy it and throw a Fiberglas Kentrol tub on it. Like the EB it had a good wheelbase, but also had Front and rear Dana 44's.
Masher
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chairboy... just curious... how did your friend know it was a christian who smashed his window and that the darwin fish was the reason?
lazs
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Lasz: I don't know if was a christian, but the Darwin fish was ripped off his bumper, broken in two, and sitting in the driver seat surrounded with the broken glass of the window. I'd say that's a pretty good indicator.
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If I see something that offends me or.... better yet.. someone is trying to offend me.. I simply try to offend them back. Even better if you can get em so worked up that they attack you. great fun.
lazs
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chair... I would say that if he stole or broke the stereo that you really couldn't say he was anti music. It was a plaque? something you could break in half? Your friend sounds like he took a lot of pride in his views... How was it attached? where? Kids around here sometimes vandalize cars... they break windows and tear stuff off.. Neighbor found his side view mirror on the floor of his car after someone had smashed the driver window.
Maybe the guy was a vampire protesting mirrors?
lazs
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Lazs2: Are you getting enough oxygen?
It's a piece of plastic, not a bumper sticker.
Maybe the guy was a vampire protesting mirrors?
Ha! Classic.
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ok... still not getting my point... the guy had a plastic... what? plaque? attached..... how? I assume that it was something that could be simply and quickly removed and destroyed... I would bet that given the same placement and attachment that vandals would have destroyed any plaque not matter what was written on it..
That is the nature of vandals... I think that proof would be that millions of those darwin things (mostly decals and bumper stickers) are around and no one else reports vandalism.... I have heard of "support the troops" magnetic thingies being stolen or magnetic bussines sighns.
My guess... You and your friend wanted to believe it was a militant christian.... validate all your fears.
Tell him to go around with some anti prophet stuff on his car tho if he is really so anti religious.... give some fair share time... lets see how he fares.
lazs
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Originally posted by storch
over stuff like bumper stickers or what might be on a T shirt? moslems not withstanding apparently they are easy to upset. would someone be phyiscally assaulted over a bush/cheney bumper sticker while cruising bedford-stuyvesant in an SL500?
nobody that owned a SL500 would desecrate it with a BUMPER STICKER.
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You know what I love about your post, Lazs, is how selective you are with blame. If someone vandalizes a Jesus fish, they're obviously a religion hater. If someone vandalizes a Darwin fish, then they're probably just some run of the mill vandal that would have vandalized anything.
They pulled off the plastic darwin fish, broke it in half, then punched in the driver window and placed the broken darwin fish on the seat.
If you really think there's any big mystery about the motives of the person who did this, then... well, I think you're a bit silly.
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I don't think lazs is comparing anything to christian behavior, at least I don't see where he said anything involving comparing sides of the fence.
The truth is, there's a small amount of people that will vandalize for very thin reasons. To potray it as a common occurance is pretty damn silly. If it were a common occurance, I guarantee you'd see it on the news. Hell, you're more likely to get keyed/vandalized for driving an SUV than for having any kind of sticker on your car. How about being keyed/vandalized because you didn't park with the main group of cars? How about being vandalized because you drive like an idiot?
With the number of reasons, it's pretty funny that someone was so able to narrow down the exact cause. What's even funnier is someone displaying a license plate cover that is INTENDED to be offensive and getting all upity at the thought of it doing its job.
Put a bumper sticker that says "studmuffins suck" on your car. How about one that says "Darwin's burning in hell" or "get a job and get off welfare" or "you could never afford this car". The double standard is thinking that those bumper stickers would/wouldn't merrit something being said or done while thinking something equally offensive is ok.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Actually the Scout II is up there with the Early Bronco as one of the best "all-around" 4x4's of all time. If he still had it, I'd buy it and throw a Fiberglas Kentrol tub on it. Like the EB it had a good wheelbase, but also had Front and rear Dana 44's.
Masher
I know i'm just taking a jibe at a guy who knows how to take it. I had an international truck for a while and it was pretty good it just rusted out.
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Originally posted by lazs2
If I see something that offends me or.... better yet.. someone is trying to offend me.. I simply try to offend them back. Even better if you can get em so worked up that they attack you. great fun.
lazs
a man after my own heart, nothing like the ability to provoke an attack.
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Originally posted by storch
pffft. more like a limp wristed left handed girly throw attempt at a slap, which no doubt lossened some of your teeth and left you out cold.
Darn right, and I can girly slap with either hand.
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When we were using the smaller warnings and ticket book holders made out of aluminum several of us had bumper stickers on them. The one female motorcycle cop had 2. One said, "51% sweetheart 49% B***c, dont push your luck". The other said, "I have a gun, ESP and PMS, that makes me an armed B***c that knows everything".
Mine was simple, it said "Yes as a matter of fact I do own the whole damn road". Some folks got a kick out of it, no one seemed to take any offense from them.
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we used to see lots of bumperstickes on benzs and bimmers around here that said "poverty sucks" which I also found to be very funny. one guy up the block has a bently with a sticker that says "save the south, teach a yankee to drive" remember that to the person who can afford a vehicle, any vehicle it is just that, a medium of transportation. it's the broke people who fret over what something cost them. especially if they buy to impress others.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Darn right, and I can girly slap with either hand.
can u girly kick too?
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Originally posted by Maverick
When we were using the smaller warnings and ticket book holders made out of aluminum several of us had bumper stickers on them. The one female motorcycle cop had 2. One said, "51% sweetheart 49% B***c, dont push your luck". The other said, "I have a gun, ESP and PMS, that makes me an armed B***c that knows everything".
Mine was simple, it said "Yes as a matter of fact I do own the whole damn road". Some folks got a kick out of it, no one seemed to take any offense from them.
those would be funny even if i was being written up
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yep chair... mini get's it. Unless you caught the guy red handed and he admitted that he did all the destruction because of your friends silly darwin plaque.... well... you got no case.
I have never said that cars that are vandalized that also have fish stickers on em are being vandalized because of it tho. I have no idea where you get that. I am not even a christian and think that it is probly a silly idea. I feel no animosity toward christians tho.
I don't feel threatened by them yet. I would not like to see them have power over me but then.... I wouldn't want your liberal friends to either.
lazs
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Liberal friends?
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Originally posted by storch
can u girly kick too?
No need, I use the "windmill arms" on internet tough guys like you.
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Originally posted by Suave
What's the western version of "HALALALALA" ?
"THEY TOOK UM JEEOBS!!!!"
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No need, I use the "windmill arms" on internet tough guys like you.
LOL...windmill arms! :lol
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No need, I use the "windmill arms" on internet tough guys like you.
that's funny