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(CNN) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair has promised to investigate allegations of abuse by his country's forces in Iraq after a newspaper released what it said was a video showing soldiers savagely beating Iraqi youths.
The News of the World said on Sunday the alleged attack by eight soldiers, which followed a scene showing youths throwing stones at the soldiers, was videotaped in southern Iraq in early 2004. CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of the film.
"We take seriously any allegations of mistreatment, and this will be investigated very fully indeed," Blair told reporters after a meeting of left-of-center leaders in South Africa.
"But I have to say to you that the overwhelming majority of British troops in Iraq, as elsewhere, behave properly and are doing a great job. They are helping Iraqis to become the democracy they would like to be."
The News of the World said the scenes, which lasted about two minutes, were videotaped by a corporal "for fun," apparently from a nearby rooftop.
On the tape, the youths' pleas for mercy are ignored. The beatings include what appears to be a British soldier kicking one of the youths, shown pinned to the ground by other soldiers, in the genitals.
In another case, a soldier puts a boy in a headlock, then releases him only to butt his head against the boy's, then strike his fist on the boy's head.
The youth's cries can be heard on the tape, which shows a minute's worth of the attack -- with 42 blows counted, according to the newspaper.
The tape includes what sounds like a running commentary of approval from the cameraman. "Oh yes! Oh yes! You're gonna get it. Yes, naughty little boys!" the narrator can be heard saying as the blows land. "Die! Ha, ha!"
The News of the World said the video was shown to friends of the corporal in Europe, and one of them reported the incident to the tabloid newspaper.
The paper said it chose not to identify the soldiers' unit and regiment for security reasons.
The paper quoted the informant as saying: "These Iraqis were just kids. Most haven't even got shoes on. Those eight soldiers were pumped up and out of control. They're an insult to the thousands of soldiers who have worked so hard in Iraq with courage and dignity for so long.
"They're nothing but a gang of thugs."
British defense ministry issued a statement through British Brigadier Martin Rutledge, chief of staff of the adjutant general, in which he described the images as "extremely disturbing."
"We condemn all acts of abuse and always treat any allegations of wrongdoing extremely seriously," he said.
"Over 80,000 service men and women have served in Iraq since military service operations began. And a tiny number are alleged to be involved in instances of deliberate abuse. The most important thing now is that we now establish the facts and allow the legal process to run its course."
British Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn called for troops alleged to be involved to be suspended.
"I think it's awful and I think it will cause a lot of trouble in Iraq and I think it will also emphasize the whole point that the continued presence of British and American forces in Iraq are part of the problem, not the solution," he told ITV on Sunday.
Allegations of mistreatment have been leveled at British troops before, but not on the scale of the abuse carried out by Americans against prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib jail in a scandal that shocked the world in 2004.
Three British soldiers were jailed last year in a case brought after the publication of pictures taken in 2003 that showed Iraqi prisoners being beaten and forced to pose in sexually humiliating positions.
But another set of photos, which appeared in the Mirror newspaper, proved to be a hoax.
Source (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/12/iraq.beatings/index.html)
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Out of 645 words of the article, only 10 words covered the kids throwing rocks at the soldiers.
176 words of the article describe in detail what the soldiers did.
If the bias isn't clear enough for you, I'll lay out some specific examples.
soldiers savagely beating Iraqi youths.
"These Iraqis were just kids. Most haven't even got shoes on. Those eight soldiers were pumped up and out of control. They're an insult to the thousands of soldiers who have worked so hard in Iraq with courage and dignity for so long.
"They're nothing but a gang of thugs."
abuse carried out by Americans against prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib
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CBC showed part of the clip tonight here.
It looks worse than it really is.
Any one of us might have reacted the same way; the only difference is we are not wearing a British uniform.
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I never said I believed it. Ive long given up making my decisions on events until Ive read multiple different news sites and taken the information from all and made my own decsions right down the middle.
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You don't believe it? Your title for this thread gives your beliefs away.
Abuse in Iraq (again)
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Next time Iii'll be sure to put a question mark in there, just for you.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Next time Iii'll be sure to put a question mark in there, just for you.
Bluej1, watch CBC or Global tonight, you can see the film yourself
(11:00pm)
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Yeah there was abuse in Iraq. Some punks tried to abuse the restraint of the British military and got called on it. They're just lucky the brits didn't "throw" back bullets:aok
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If someone threw a rock at me I would beat him too, let me guess these "youths" are late teens?
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You can see the movie for yourself here:
(from OGRISH dot com)
movie (http://www.ogrish.com/index2.html)
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I just saw it. The only thing that disturbed me about the whole thing was the guy speaking into the camera. He was friggin wierd. Probably needs mental help and should not be in the military.
What the soldiers did (I believe) was perfectly in line with what the kids deserved. I saw nothing brutal, but they were being spanked with sticks. If I ever caught one of my kids doing that, I'd spank them with a stick too.
Of course, this behavior is on the out and out in America. I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't be tolerated in Britain.
It's a shame that those (9?) soldiers will have their lives ruined over politics.
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I dont think the soldiers were in the wrong. Its war. it could have been worse, their lucky they have their lives instead of some bruises.
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Abuse? yea........right, we get accused of abuse, and yet its ok for them to cut off innocent peoples head? The Brits should have shot them dead right there on the spot
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none of those kids was hurt...when you mess around the way those kids were, you have to expect to get knocked around if you get caught...that's the way it was when I grew up
Laser...ya...that guy doing the talking definately weirded me out
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yes the commentary guy is a sicko.
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b*stards took one kid in back and made him watch a war movie with Patrick Swayse in it.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
b*stards took one kid in back and made him watch a war movie with Patrick Swayse in it.
Canadian soldiers would have made them listen to Celine Dion
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Lesson here is dont bring rocks to a gun fight:O
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I think busting a few heads at this point is called for, the Iraqi kids are constantly throwing rocks at soldiers, and doing with impunity. Let them know that they risk a good ass-kicking and maybe that crap will stop.
How about a SAW loaded with rubber bullets? That would get their attention.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Canadian soldiers would have made them listen to Celine Dion
I would rather be beaten with a stick.
shamus
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how did this tape just pop up?...it was made 2 years ago.
just what we need....Iran`s psycho president to the Irani youth: look what`s coming at u!That`s why we need the bomb.
The sadistic tone of that idiot making the video will get trough to even those that don`t speak english....
OTOH if someone throws rocks at me....I`d beat the crap outta him.
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solders should not be allowed to have cameras.
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Originally posted by Dago
I think busting a few heads at this point is called for, the Iraqi kids are constantly throwing rocks at soldiers, and doing with impunity. Let them know that they risk a good ass-kicking and maybe that crap will stop.
How about a SAW loaded with rubber bullets? That would get their attention.
Rubber bullets?
lead bullets work much better.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Out of 645 words of the article, only 10 words covered the kids throwing rocks at the soldiers.
176 words of the article describe in detail what the soldiers did.
If the bias isn't clear enough for you, I'll lay out some specific examples.
You miss out the elephant in the room in your examination of bias. The article has precisely no words as to why the kids were throwing rocks at the soldiers, so we have no idea if their actions are justified or not, and whether they deserve to be dragged off, handcuffed and then beaten. What are they protesting? I don't know; do you?
The real media bias is that the West doesn't know and doesn't care what the Iraqis' side of the story is - the US & UK just care whether it makes the Brits look bad (although next to the crime of the invasion and occupation, this beating session is just a drop in the ocean). No one has even thought to ask why these unarmed kids are throwing stones at heavily armed soldiers. They have been dehumanised so effectively by Western propaganda, that no one even bats an eye: they are Iraqis, therefore they throw stones is the simplisitic bias.
And the success of Western propaganda is reflected in this thread - several have called for the murder of unarmed teenagers, for throwing stones. Others have praised the restraint of the UK troops in not killing them. No one has said that beating people when they're down on the ground and handcuffed is both unecessary and counterproductive (in that it breeds hatred and conflict - qv the LA riots). And no one has wondered why they were throwing stones: no one cares, and it's not mentioned.
Which is especially odd, given that the one remaining on-message excuse for the invasion that isn't demonstrably false is that the US & UK were so concerned about the Iraqis' welfare that they wanted to liberate them from an oppressive police state with beatings, torture and other uncivilised stuff, to try a taste of Western freedom and democracy(TM).
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I just saw it. The only thing that disturbed me about the whole thing was the guy speaking into the camera. He was friggin wierd. Probably needs mental help and should not be in the military.
It didnt bother you when the soldier kicked the guy that was on the ground... in his balls/tailbone area?
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Originally posted by dmf
Rubber bullets?
lead bullets work much better.
Lead can be overkill at times.
Rubber bullets may sound soft but they can still pack a hefty punch. They can easily injure, a hit to the head can kill. There were plenty of examples of serious injuries and even some deaths when they were used against rioters in Northern Ireland for example.
Excel
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Originally posted by Nilsen
It didnt bother you when the soldier kicked the guy that was on the ground... in his balls/tailbone area?
why, if I wanted to hurt a SOB for throwing a rock at me I would kick him there too.
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Ok.. just wondering
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Originally posted by -dead-
No one has even thought to ask why these unarmed kids are throwing stones at heavily armed soldiers.
:rofl :rofl
oh and dead, they obviously were throwing rocks, because as poor mistreated minoritys being steamrolled by the Bush/Haliburton corporate juggernaut, they felt they had no other options and we should feel sorry for their plight
No blood for oil!11
Bush is the satan!11
Walmart sucks1111
George Bush does not care about Black people!!!!!1
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Originally posted by -dead-
And the success of Western propaganda is reflected in this thread - several have called for the murder of unarmed teenagers, for throwing stones. Others have praised the restraint of the UK troops in not killing them. No one has said that beating people when they're down on the ground and handcuffed is both unecessary and counterproductive (in that it breeds hatred and conflict - qv the LA riots). And no one has wondered why they were throwing stones: no one cares, and it's not mentioned.
After reading most of the posts in this threat, you really that suprised? You should know by now that most in here can't wipe their arses until Fox News tells them it's OK to do so.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
After reading most of the posts in this threat, you really that suprised? You should know by now that most in here can't wipe their arses until Fox News tells them it's OK to do so.
if you are not rooting for the home team, you should get out of the stadium
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Originally posted by Pooh21
:rofl :rofl
oh and dead, they obviously were throwing rocks, because as poor mistreated minoritys being steamrolled by the Bush/Haliburton corporate juggernaut, they felt they had no other options and we should feel sorry for their plight
No blood for oil!11
Bush is the satan!11
Walmart sucks1111
George Bush does not care about Black people!!!!!1
If you think throwing a rock vs assault rifles, airstrikes, riot gear etc is armed, score one for Western propaganda. But it begs the question why didn't they shoot them straight away if they were armed?
As to the reasons, it's all speculation: as I pointed out, none of us know why they were throwing rocks. You haven't asked, and you obviously don't care: score another one for Western propaganda.
The kids are most likely not a minority, given that the Brits generally troll around the South, which is populated by the majority Shi'ia. But again we don't know. If you think Iraqis are a minority in Iraq, though: score another one for Western propaganda.
The Brits here are certainly guilty of the most heinous crime possible in Operation Iraqi Freedom: being off-message. Nothing says "occupation not liberation" like a beating or a torture session.
Personally I'd say if you can't take a few rocks being thrown at you, you shouldn't sign up to be part of an occupying force: it comes with the package, and dishing out beatings aren't going to help calm things down. After all, the Brits weren't invited by the Iraqis, and if the Brits hadn't invaded and occupied Iraq, they wouldn't be there to get rocks thrown at them, so the Brits aren't deserving much in the way of sympathy to my mind: If you're not invited, you can hardly expect to be welcomed.
So if the Brits are really upset with the locals throwing stones at them, they could always take the unsubtle hint and just go home - unless you're suggesting there's more to Operation Iraqi Freedom than Iraqi freedom.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
if you are not rooting for the home team, you should get out of the stadium
Mmm the delicious irony of it. The Iraqis are the home team, silly. :rofl
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Originally posted by Excel1
Lead can be overkill at times.
Rubber bullets may sound soft but they can still pack a hefty punch. They can easily injure, a hit to the head can kill. There were plenty of examples of serious injuries and even some deaths when they were used against rioters in Northern Ireland for example.
Excel
Well then be sure to hit them in the head at close range with rubber bullets fired from a double barrel shotgun.
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"Western propeganda"?
Just curious, but isn't everything Western propeganda to the Chinese? Is everything not written by the Chinese government Western propeganda?
What if you chose not to care because...you just don't care? That's my stance on this whole thing.
I'm not trying to be a troll, I really am curious. I've heard "Western propeganda" thrown around a lot by Chinese members of other boards I frequent...
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Yeah Dead. Pull your head out of your ass. A group of teenagers were assaulting a group of British soldiers. British soldiers had every right to open up on the crowd to defend themselves. But they didn't.
Those teenagers got exactly what they deserved. Consider the other options they could have gotten.
1.) Shot. They were assaulting soldiers. Any reasonable person would defend themselves.
2.) Prison. They could have easily put them in prison for assault.
I'd say being spanked was a great idea. Those kids will remember every day of their life that they tried to assault british soldiers and got punished for it. They will also remember they got off light.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yeah Dead. Pull your head out of your ass. A group of teenagers were assaulting a group of British soldiers. British soldiers had every right to open up on the crowd to defend themselves. But they didn't.
Those teenagers got exactly what they deserved. Consider the other options they could have gotten.
1.) Shot. They were assaulting soldiers. Any reasonable person would defend themselves.
2.) Prison. They could have easily put them in prison for assault.
I'd say being spanked was a great idea. Those kids will remember every day of their life that they tried to assault british soldiers and got punished for it. They will also remember they got off light.
u might be wrong about that.
i`m pretty sure (ok..not sure but...) that those kids are already dead as they since became involved in the insurgency and got moved down...
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looked pretty mild to me the stick whacks were half hearted, my mother swang way harder than that lol..send her over their with a wooden spoon and u will see some abuse! i saw one kick that looked like it had some real force behind it, maybe that guy got hit with a rock. who knows
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Yeah, I myself have been punished far worse for offenses which were much less.
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I think those "soldiers" deserve a VC for their bravery in front of the enemy :)
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staga did you ever come up with any names of innocent people being executed in the US?
I havent checked that thread so maybe you already answered but I doubt it. :cry
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So if the Brits are really upset with the locals throwing stones at them, they could always take the unsubtle hint and just go home - unless you're suggesting there's more to Operation Iraqi Freedom than Iraqi freedom. - Dead
I think it might be more than mere coincidence that we have a strategic military presence in the Middle East at this critical time in Iran's martial aspirations.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yeah Dead. Pull your head out of your ass. A group of teenagers were assaulting a group of British soldiers. British soldiers had every right to open up on the crowd to defend themselves. But they didn't.
Those teenagers got exactly what they deserved. Consider the other options they could have gotten.
1.) Shot. They were assaulting soldiers. Any reasonable person would defend themselves.
2.) Prison. They could have easily put them in prison for assault.
I'd say being spanked was a great idea. Those kids will remember every day of their life that they tried to assault british soldiers and got punished for it. They will also remember they got off light.
Oh yes of course the poor defenseless British soldiers were clearly the victims of agression by the big bad rock-toting Iraqis. Score one for the propaganda merchants.
The British soldiers had every right to kill civilians ... Score another for the propaganda. Do you even chew in between gulps?
As to the alternative options to a prolonged beating, I hate to burst your bubble but you have absolutely no idea if they didn't get 1) shot or 2) imprisoned after the squaddies were done kicking and beating them. They might not be alternatives at all.
And thanks for telling us about your childhood of being beaten about the head by teams of occupation soldiers armed with sticks and far worse: it explains a lot.
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You might like the smell of open air Dead, it's a lot better then the smell of your own BS.
I never said the soldiers were defenseless. Nor did I say that they were victims.
I did say that the soldiers have every right to defend themselves. In the past however, many times they chose to not do so with deadly force, even when deadly force was being used against them.
The problem with today's world (and I have seen it first hand) is the lack of punishment for bad behavior. I have seen children raised up who have never heard the word punishment before. They keep commiting offenses until finally they get bitten in the ass, and hard.
For example, I worked at a camp. Out of 9 of the kids in my cabin, only 2 of them had been punished at all. And by punished, I just mean "Time Out" or something. These kids would get so upset when they would do something wrong because we would punish them! They had no idea why we were punishing them!
So what's the real problem here? The british soldiers spanking the boys? Or the boys throwing rocks not expecting to get punished for it.
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:rolleyes: talk about propaganda..you can definitely talk some trash dead lol...snipers with rifles choose exact seens like those kids throwing rocks to open fire because of the allied reluctance to open fire with chldren present and the mass chaos gives them a distinct advantage..so yes its about alot more than rock throwing
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well the footage leading up to it are out
first the compound got mortared,
then 60 to 80 iraqi's started to throw stones at anyone wearing a uniform.
personally i think they got off quite litely
i would have kicked 7 colour's of ***** out of them
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The only reason we know anything about it is because the nutter who took the video decided to show it off to others and somebody saw a chance to make money selling it to a tabloid.
First off, what they did was wrong and by whatever rules that apply it should not have happened. But this kind of thing goes on all the time in every conflict. When the troubles were at their height in Northern Ireland the British army frequently beat people up to vent their frustrations. This is not mere propaganda. I spoke to someone it happened to. He was quite philosophical about it. He had been throwing stones at the Brit soldiers and they caught him and dished out rough justice. He was just glad they weren't paras :eek: He learned his lesson though............run away faster next time :lol
So it goes on. This is nothing new. I wasn't even shocked, call me callous if you like. To be honest I might even have joined in myself. I was given riot training. Even though the 'rioters's were fellow soldiers, some got quite rough treatment. When we practised with another unit....well let's just say it got too realistic:O
It all looks bad on TV though will all the smug, secure citizens sitting in their armchairs tut tutting loudly. That's easy to do. Out in the real world life is tough and those kids found out the hard way that the Brits are not the pushover they were lead to believe.
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"Allegations of mistreatment have been leveled at British troops before, but not on the scale of the abuse carried out by Americans against prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib jail in a scandal that shocked the world in 2004."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by -dead-
Mmm the delicious irony of it. The Iraqis are the home team, silly. :rofl
Here Dead, pass this along China.com...D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y. You'll wish all you got was a good bellybutton whoopin as you hear the door slam behind you.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
"Allegations of mistreatment have been leveled at British troops before, but not on the scale of the abuse carried out by Americans against prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib jail in a scandal that shocked the world in 2004."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I was shocked...just shocked I tell ya. They made one guy put a pair of ladies bloomers on his head. Oh the humanities!!!!!!
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i couldnt agree more what you said, u hit the nail on the head:aok
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
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i couldnt agree more what you said, u hit the nail on the head:aok
actually hit his thumb more like it
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Originally posted by Pooh21
if you are not rooting for the home team, you should get out of the stadium
Ahh...why am I not surprised to see such an idiotic response such as this?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by jaxxo
looked pretty mild to me the stick whacks were half hearted, my mother swang way harder than that lol..send her over their with a wooden spoon and u will see some abuse! i saw one kick that looked like it had some real force behind it, maybe that guy got hit with a rock. who knows
British soldiers should have used this instead.
(http://www.argos-sports.co.uk/mall/argos/images/products/cricket/graynicolls/snr_longbow.gif)
Karaya
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Originally posted by -dead-
Personally I'd say if you can't take a few rocks being thrown at you
Spoken like a self-rigtheous fool who has never had a two pound stone bounced off his body from the throw of a teenager. I doubt you would be so self-sanctimonious if you took the hit. It not only hurts, it can cause serious injury.
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the title of the thread is"Abuse in Iraq (again) ", but it's about some rock throwers getting beat up.
but it says nothing about atrocities committed by the terrorists, cutting off heads, blowing up innocent women,children, killing iraq cops, blowing up oil pipe lines, destroying electrical plants, the list is too long.
but some of you people get your panties all bunched up because some rock throwing criminals get beat up.
you need to flush out your brains and get a refill of reality.
saddam was committing atrocities for 35 years before the imperial storm troopers of the bush/Cheney/halaburtion cartel invaded peaceful Iraq to steal all their oil.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
if you are not rooting for the home team, you should get out of the stadium
Originally posted by -dead-
Mmm the delicious irony of it. The Iraqis are the home team, silly. :rofl
WOW! PAWNAGE! :rofl
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If the UK soldiers had beaten the protestors to break up the crowd and chase them away I could have accepted it as an act of self-defense. If the soldiers had shot a couple of protesters I could have accepted it as an act of self-defense.
Beating a defenseless handcuffed detainee is wrong no matter how you cut it.
And even if you are so backward that you condone corporal punishment (you guys should love Iran), then in any case it is not a soldier's job to hand out punishment, but the judicial system.
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I have an exercise for those who might entertain the notion that the Brits overreacted.
Stand outside yr local high school - and get a group of 10 freshman to throw bricks at you - when you are up armored and not doing anything.
How long do you wait until 1 hits you? And what is the MEASURED response?
They got off easy.
Wolf
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I have an exercise for those who might entertain the notion that the Brits overreacted.
Stand outside yr local high school - and get a group of 10 freshman to throw bricks at you - when you are up armored and not doing anything.
How long do you wait until 1 hits you? And what is the MEASURED response?
I'm not going to subdue one of them, handcuff him and then proceed to beat him with a stick if that's what you're asking. The Brits didn't "overreact". They exceeded their orders and violated both UK and international Law.
If you want an example of "measured response", check out the siege on the Norwegian base in Afghanistan a week ago.
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Dead is right you fools. The British soldiers should have shown the same kind of restraint that the more professional Chinese soldiers did when confronted by the violent protesters in Tiananmen Square.
By the way Dead, what was the body count in that incident?
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so if teens here throw rocks at police we should disband our police force?
Who knows why they did it... their dad said to.... they didn't like the curfew... one of their buddies got arrested for stealing.... they are acting like kids... or.....
They have deep and well thought out political convictions and are throwing the rocks to sent a message to the few people like dead who are perceptive enough to see it.
lazs
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Dead is right you fools. The British soldiers should have shown the same kind of restraint that the more professional Chinese soldiers did when confronted by the violent protesters in Tiananmen Square.
By the way Dead, what was the body count in that incident?
Hi Shuckins,
I was just thinking that. Actually, the pro-democracy protests themselves only turned violent after the PLA rolled tanks into the square. The death toll was anywhere between 500 and 5000, we'll never be able to get an exact number.
But of course, that was just the Chinese government cracking down on "criminals and agitators" in its own state, if you want to see how they deal with protestors in occupied territories you'd have to look at say Tibet. For instance from Amnesty International:
Police shot and killed participants in a peaceful demonstration held in the Barkor and on the public square in front of the Jokhang temple on 10 December 1988 on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the promulgation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Personally, while I'm disgusted by the sadistic voice over and not in favor of any kind of extra-judicial arbitrary punishment, I believe that most of the Iraqi youths in question "demonstrating" against the occupation would have preferred the British reaction to the Chinese one.
- SEAGOON
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Ok, I titled the thread wrong. I got the point the first time. No need to keep rubbing it in. Relax. If it bothers you all that much start a new thread and title it however you wish.
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if you look closely, near the end of the film, one of the soldiers takes a good hard kick at the groin of one of the youths.
this, imo, is just outrageous. infertility could come of that, and then you've got another willing suicide bomber in the making.
the other bit that was out of order was the 'headbutt' (more like helmet butt) right near the begining. that was sick.
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Kinda takes your mind off all of last weeks riots doesn't it. Do you think if they would have made a cartoon out of it, instead of showing the actual beating there would be more outrage?:rofl
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If I were one of those brits... I'd throw rocks back at them.
De-escalation has never been my strong point though.
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While it's not Outrageous Batfink, it's definately not tolerable. Many people will ask for the heads of these soldiers on plates. At most I believe the person who did the kicking should get a Letter of Discipline, no more.
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Keep beating them till they love freedom...
Tronsky
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I still think this is a much-a-doo about nothing.
None of those kids was hurt. They were throwing rocks the size of bricks and got chased and got caught.
How many of us didn't get chased and caught at that age?
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The fresh pics of Abu Ghraib are about to hit the internets in the next day or two.
I've seen about eight of them, and they are disgusting.
They make these little editorial cartoons about Muslims seem like Charlie Brown vs Herman in a knock-down drag-out battle of checkers by comparison.
I'd dearly love to see the comments by those who say "So a few Torrans got flushed down the toilet" or "I've seen worse in fraternity hazing."
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Originally posted by Nash
The fresh pics of Abu Ghraib are about to hit the internets in the next day or two.
I've seen about eight of them, and they are disgusting.
They make these little editorial cartoons about Muslims seem like Charlie Brown vs Herman in a knock-down drag-out battle of checkers by comparison.
I'd dearly love to see the comments by those who say "So a few Torrans got flushed down the toilet" or "I've seen worse in fraternity hazing."
Whatever the abuse was they should put it on TV. Followed by a comment stating."We feel our light handed tactics as displayed here have been a failure. Because of these failures we must now kidnap, behead, burn, raze, and use chemical weapons against the people opposed to our efforts."
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Originally posted by Shifty
Whatever the abuse was they should put it on TV. Followed by a comment stating."We feel our light handed tactics as displayed here have been a failure. Because of these failures we must now kidnap, behead, burn, raze, and use chemical weapons against the people opposed to our efforts."
I don't know about behead, but the rest you're already doing.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Dead is right you fools. The British soldiers should have shown the same kind of restraint that the more professional Chinese soldiers did when confronted by the violent protesters in Tiananmen Square.
By the way Dead, what was the body count in that incident?
violent protester at work in China...
(http://www.rollins.edu/history/Web%20Pictures/Tiananmen%20Square%202.jpg)
Hmm wouldn't be suprised if this guy is still in jail for his crime...
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"And even if you are so backward that you condone corporal punishment (you guys should love Iran), then in any case it is not a soldier's job to hand out punishment, but the judicial system."
:lol Someone stop the war and get Judge Joe Blow down here to hand out some community service! Im sure the local judges would be very upset at the boys for throwing rocks at the Infidel bastard sons of a thousand potatos...
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Hi Soda,
Originally posted by soda72
violent protester at work in China...
(http://www.rollins.edu/history/Web%20Pictures/Tiananmen%20Square%202.jpg)
Hmm wouldn't be suprised if this guy is still in jail for his crime...
Would that he were. The man was identified as Wang Weilin, student protestor. He is in all likelihood, very, very dead. A fellow by the name of Andrew Ho wrote the following eulogy for him:
"I will never be able to meet Wang Weilin; although there are no official reports on his current whereabouts, and even his real name is uncertain, unofficial leaks point to his execution by firing squad a few months following the June 1989 massacre. Without recognition, his life passed from the pages of history like a soldier slain and immediately forgotten. His death, as well as his life, is a sobering reminder of how much courage is required from us all as we journey onwards in what will always remain an imperfect world striving painfully for perfection. Wang Weilin is one person who displayed that courage beautifully when it was required from him; it is on the shoulders of people like him that the future rests. It can only be hoped that there are many among us who can display a similar courage when our own testing times come."
An American reporter at the scene, Charlie Cole, witnessed his arrest by the PSB immediately after the confrontation with the tanks.
Methinks Mr. Weilin might have preferred a swift kick in the groin...
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
British soldiers should have used this instead.
(http://www.argos-sports.co.uk/mall/argos/images/products/cricket/graynicolls/snr_longbow.gif)
Karaya
Why, to beat some gay into them?
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Methinks Mr. Weilin might have preferred a swift kick in the groin...
- SEAGOON
Always interesting to see a pastor defend violence against defenseless detainees. How very Christian of you.
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It makes perfect sense harry when the other alternative is being executed. Don't try to skew what he typed. He's just saying that getting beat by a stick is much better than a bullet to the head for protesting:aok There's nothing that seagoon wrote that says he supports it. Me personnally, I'm glad they got the crud kicked out of them. If I threw rocks at a military force I'd expect an arse whoopin, if not worse.
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I find it interesting that CNN has found yet aNOTHER angle to beat Abu Ghraib to death (and thus allied soldiers), but has no space for the Muhommad cartoon photo
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Thats beacuse of teh censorship we have in this country, we can't show their "god" .
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Originally posted by Yeager
staga did you ever come up with any names of innocent people being executed in the US?
I havent checked that thread so maybe you already answered but I doubt it. :cry
:) You are going to wait a very long time......................... ..........
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Originally posted by Pooh21
if you are not rooting for the home team, you should get out of the stadium
And who is the home team? You? Me?
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Yeager & Silat; start with these:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3472872.html
http://www.quixote.org/ej/grip/reasonabledoubt/
US has also happily executed retards; some didn't understand they didn't have to think what they would eat next day...
http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/dp/faq/retard.txt
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Originally posted by soda72
violent protester at work in China...
(http://www.rollins.edu/history/Web%20Pictures/Tiananmen%20Square%202.jpg)
Hmm wouldn't be suprised if this guy is still in jail for his crime...
You cannot even compare this photograph to the British spankings. No way. This is one of the most powerful pictures ever taken, bar none. The Driver of the tank is rumored to have been killed as well.
Karaya