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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Raptor on February 12, 2006, 11:07:41 PM
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PT-558
MTB RON 38
Nothing Special but something new
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8392/pt5584pk.jpg)
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2294/5581qx.jpg)
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2763/bridge6le.jpg)
(http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/1562/pttorp9tt.jpg)
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:aok looks good
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Nice to see a new boat/vehicle skin :aok
I've always wondered why we don't have a PT in the zebra-stripe pattern though...
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Treize69 said:
I've always wondered why we don't have a PT in the zebra-stripe pattern though...
I started this one back in July, but haven't ever gotten around to tweaking it to final form. Mostly I had other things I thought were more interesting, and besides, when I posted it up, it got zero response, so I figured nobody would use it anyway. However, if you want it, I'll finish it up shortly.
It's kinda interesting. It blends in with its own wake when viewed from the air, so the camo is pretty effective IMHO.
(http://people.delphiforums.com/JTWELLER/PTdazzle2.JPG)
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is it historic? do you know the PT squad or PT #?
Here is a pretty useful link for WW2 PT Boats. Make sure they are Elcon 80 boats before you decide to skin them (that is what we have in game). There is a higgins boat I was interested in with shark mouth but wrong class of boat.
Here is a good link for WW2 PT Boats http://www.ptboats.org/
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I'll go out on a limb here and say that as we are unlikely to get another model, (maybe a German E Boat) that you could use almost any allied (Higgins, Vosper etc) skin on our one.
Problem is finding good references for schemes and colors.
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I agree with Kev here... We're really only going to get this one PT boat. So what if you got a slightly different version in mind for a skin, make the argument to HTC when you submit it -- they usually don't lend a deaf ear to the skinning community.
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Get out in the open, don't hide under the bridge.:t :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3cFA%3eJaws/boat.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3cFA%3eJaws/boat3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3cFA%3eJaws/ash.jpg)
I did this one just for fun last year. Is not historical so I never sent it.:)
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Raptor01 said:
is it historic? do you know the PT squad or PT #?
Historically, US PTs sometimes had that black-and-white dazzle paint job. There are some photos of them that way, and many years ago I built a 1/72 Revel kit of one with this scheme. So I'm sure HTC would take it--exact hull number not required IMHO.
As you can see, I made some of the hull stripes WAY too wide. They should all be about the size of those on the superstructure or a little bigger in places. This was just a rough thing I slapped together one afternoon because I was bored, and never got around to revising. But I'll get back on it here in a few days.
Here's a link to a boat in this camo on the page you posted. It's got a different pattern, but the idea is the same: http://www.ptboats.org/20-09-05-gallery-015.html
Partial dazzle and shark's mouth (prolly do this one next) http://www.ptboats.org/20-09-05-gallery-017.html
I did my skin based on that model I built, which had the side stripes all broken up kinda as shown, instead of being so long like in the pics above. Unfortunately, I sank the model in my pond with my pellet gun about 20 years ago, and can't find the instructions for the model anywhere, so I'm having to work from memory and a few other pics in books.
Another interesting camo pattern, probably using same colors as big ships had at the time: http://www.ptboats.org/20-09-05-gallery-033.html
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Nice boats lads ~S~
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OK fess up, how you guys getting external views with PT Boats?
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by pressing f3?????
:lol they're doing it offline. if you cant do it change your arena settings. it'll be under viewmodeflags
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Cool,that green skin really dont cheer me up
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Originally posted by Kev367th
OK fess up, how you guys getting external views with PT Boats?
setup, arena settings, viewmodeflags
Originally posted by Bullethead
Raptor01 said:
Partial dazzle and shark's mouth (prolly do this one next) http://www.ptboats.org/20-09-05-gallery-017.html
aww man thats the one I was lookin at doin :p
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Raptor01 said:
aww man thats the one I was lookin at doin :p
Well, feel free. I'm not that interested and have enough on my plate as it is :)
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Thanks for the info on PT/vehicle external views.
Just did a quickie to see what it looks like as someone else is doing it.
(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/zebra1.jpg)
(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/zebra2.jpg)
Of course the obvious question - What the hell were they thinking of, lol ?
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Kev367th said:
Of course the obvious question - What the hell were they thinking of, lol ?
Normal camo is intended to make the target blend into the background and thus hard to see in the 1st place. This black-and-white dazzle scheme, OTOH, assumed you'd see the target regardless (due to its size, it leaving a wake, and blowing smoke), so was intended instead to make it hard for you to hit it. It was invented in WW1 and used extensively on cargo ships, slow convoy escorts, and slow fleet auxilliaries like seaplane tenders. Faster warships stayed with various shades of gray to blend with the background instead. It fell into disuse during WW2 as radar came into more widespread use, because the dazzle scheme tricks the eyes, not electrons.
If you want to hit a ship, you have to determine its relative course, speed, and bearing, so you can figure out how much to lead the target. If you don't have radar, you have to do this by eye, using things like rangefinders and periscope stadia. The dazzle scheme made it very hard to do this, because it tricked the eye. It was hard to tell by looking at the target which way it was going, and it was hard to focus it in the rangefinder or line up the periscope stadia correctly.
It's use on PT boats was sort of a throwback to the WW1 era. As IJN shipping became scarse, PTs ran out of their normal targets. So then, instead of ambushing IJN ships at night with torpedos, they spent their time cruising the coasts of Japanese islands during the day and trying to shoot up barges they found along the shore. In this work, they would be shot at by concealed, optically aimed coastal guns and attacked by planes, also using the Mk1mod0 eyeball. So some of them started using the dazzle scheme to make the 1st Japanese shot miss, to give them time to punch it up to full speed and be able to dodge subsequent shots.
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I know its not an argument for historical use, but I have seen a PT Boat in Zebra-stripe camo in real life.
In the spring of '93, my Dad and I passed one in the Barge Canal (New Yorks old Erie Canal) on Memorial Day weekend headed out of Oneida Lake in the direction of Albany (we were at Sylvan Beach). Its still one of the coolest things I ever stumbled across, and to this day I always carry a camera with me wherever I go- because we din't have one with us that day :(
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Kev367th said:
Just did a quickie to see what it looks like as someone else is doing it.
Ya know what, Kev? Yours looks better than mine and is closer to being done anyway, so you just go on and finish it. I'll just scrap mine.
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It's nowhere near being done.
There are major issues with mirroring and parts of the skin being re-used in multiple areas.
Other areas are just not skinnable.
May end up being a bust :( .
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It's not a throwback to WW1. It was used often in WW2, but to how much success is the question.
Many german battleships had a similar "disruptive" scheme on their hulls.
It wasn't just to make it hard to shoot, it was to make it hard to identify the ships at distance, especially when the best means was via optical devices. It's not that it was intended to "dazzle" the eyes and make it hard to see, but rather it broke up the natural lines and made it very hard to determing hull shape, height, distinguishing features, and the like.
Why on a PT I have no frakkin' clue (lol), but keep in mind they tested this on an Alison P51 F-5 photo recon plane, too!
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Probably because all those angles would make it very hard to tell if it was approaching or departing if viewed from and angle, and from a distance they break up the outline quite well (like camo uniforms- they arent to help you blend in exactly, just to break up your outline and make it harder to spot you against the background)
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Originally posted by Kev367th
It's nowhere near being done.
There are major issues with mirroring and parts of the skin being re-used in multiple areas.
Other areas are just not skinnable.
May end up being a bust :( .
Bah. Look at the screens others have done. You can skin every part of the thing except the torps. Sure, some parts of the skin are used in multiple places, like the mast uses part of the deck or superstructure, but it's nothing that's a real problem. I actually like that one's pattern better than mine's, which ends up looking more like woven cloth than presenting 3 sterns at different angles as yours does.
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Kev367th said:
It's nowhere near being done.
Well, I'm bowing out on this, so knock yourself out. I never saw any problems with mirroring or unskinnable areas, except what looks like the port side skin is really the starboard side, and vice versa. The mast, etc., just use bits from other areas. But as you can see on my sloppy pic, every surface of the boat has camo on it.
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(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1786/pt1964xw.jpg)
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3949/ptshark1dv.jpg)
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8185/ptboat7xf.jpg)
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/810/ptmouth5bm.jpg)