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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: VVV on February 13, 2006, 02:02:45 AM
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Heinkel He.111
(http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/he111-3.jpg)
One of the best known and most widely used German bombers of World War II, the Heinkel He 111 was first displayed to the public on 10 January, 1936, ostensibly as a ten-passenger commercial airliner. However, it was a dual purpose design, also aimed at satisfying the newly organized Luftwaffe’s needs for a fast medium bomber.
By mid-1935, the first He-111A bomber variants had entered production, powered by two BMW engines, but the low power of these engines resulted in the Luftwaffe’s refusal to accept them. Thus, ten He 111As were sold to the Chinese government, to help raise much needed hard currency for Germany.
Subsequent versions were engined with either Daimler-Benz DB 600 or Junkers Jumo 211 series liquid-cooled inverted V-12 engines. The He 111 saw its first combat with the Condor Legion in Spain in 1937, where they proved fast enough to evade most of the fighters trying to attack them. This, and other experiences, lead the Luftwaffe to believe it could operate fast medium bombers against any country, without having to provide them with fighter escorts.
This tactic worked during the Blitzkrieg, the lightening war into France, but failed miserably in the fall of 1940, during the Battle of Britain. The He 111P and H models were primarily used in the attacks on England, the H model going on to become the most important variant of the design produced.
The He 111H-6 was typical of the series, but its two or three gunners firing hand-operated light machine guns proved no match for the fast and maneuverable Spitfires and Hurricanes which rose to defend Britain. The Germans quickly learned that they had to provide fighter escorts, usually Bf 109s, for the bombers, but the short range of the fighters limited them to only about ten minutes endurance over Britain.
The Spanish firm CASA built 200 He 111H-16s under license from Heinkel, beginning in 1945, powering them with British Merlin engines. The CASA 2111s continued in service with the Spanish Air Force as transports until the late 1960s, and were used in the filming of the movie The Battle of Britain in 1967. The CAF He 111 is the only one regularly flying in the world today.
The Spanish Heinkel 111s
During World War II, Spain purchased the rights to manufacture the He 111H as CASA 2111s. However, the Spanish equipped their version with British Merlin engines, in place of the German Jumo 211s. Many were built as transports, without bombing equipment. They served into the 1960s with the Spanish Air Force and are the last flying examples of the de
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give up, HT dont care about this plane
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Originally posted by ramzey
give up, HT dont care about this plane
well then....
HOW ABOUT THE B-111 INSTEAD?! :D ;)
(http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Furball/he111-3.jpg)
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yellow RV 111 sounds better
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:lol
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btw when we get new plane last time?
It was Ki84 as i remember, variety of remodel planes i dont count
cuz p47, spits, 109's, 190's was upgrade. But as for brand new model?
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Ramzey, the p47N is new. The others were upgraded, but the 47N is new. The Spit16, Spit8, 109G-14 are also new.
While there are older versions being "upgraded", we have gotten many new planes along the way.
If you mean "when will we get something totally different?" Then the answer is: Not until after ToD (a.k.a. "CT" now) is done.
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last real update 11-1-2004 added ki84 , B24J, T34
im getting tired of liftings of existing planes
Krusty, that NOT realplaneset update, just liftings, 10nt version of same plane, downgrade this one, upgrade thats one, add som HP here, take som HP there, add new skin.
I know they demand same amount of work as brand new models but i d like to have Do17 or PBY insted of another 109 with MW something
Come on!, for planeset for BOB im waiting since i join this game
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Well if you think the P47N is anything like the other P47s I dare you to fly it alone for tour. Fly it for everything. Then try doing the same stuff in the 47Ds.
If you don't think the Spit16 is new, then where have you been? 25% of every plane you meet in the MA now is the spit16. It's one of the most lethal planes in the set, and we didn't have anything (very) close to it before.
If you don't think the 109G-14 is new... well... okay so the G-14 just plain SUCKS, but once some of the speed and weight issues are looked at it might be worth flying. Now it's just a re-hash of the old G-6 we *used* to have.
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its still another spitfire and another 109
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This isn't "still another spitfire" -- it's probably the most uber spitfire we've ever had and will ever get. This puppy's probably going to end up perked at the rate it's going.
And you still say "it's not new"??
It's had a profound impact on the arena as a whole!
A spitfire is not a spitfire is not a spitfire. Same goes for other variants. The P47N is, I think it's safe to say, pretty far ahead of the P47D-40 in performance and range. It's a big leap forward.
The 109G-14, once it is given the steroids it needs, will also be a new 109. Albeit, it will be similar to the G-6 in performance in most ways, it will be a step up from the G-14 due to its 30mm gun.
Thes planes all perform differently than the other variants of the same name We have gotten some pretty powerful planes lately. I suspect we will continue to get some more powerful planes, and I suspect these will also be variants.
As for "originally totally new we don't even have anything similar to it yet" kind of additions -- not til 1) after TOD and 2) a sizable chunk of the older planes is re-done to AH2's current standards.
I personally think (opinion here) that we'll start seeing one or two added in with the old ones being redone, but not until mid-to-end 2006 (<-- again, opinion, disclaimer)
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you dont get it
i dont care about performance, there is plenty of aircrafts who deserve to be add to game, this game its not only fighter vs fighter
Before they finish TOD and redone all planes its gonna be time for AH3
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someones full of joy today
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i have to agree...
a spit is a spit is a spit
a p47 is a p47 is a p47
a 109 is a 109 is a 109
i did fly the 47n actually... like a pony with a bit more manuever, but less climb and accell. nothing amazingly different than other p47's, not like an entirely different plane or anything.
just my opinion
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Originally posted by Mustaine
i have to agree...
a spit is a spit is a spit
a p47 is a p47 is a p47
a 109 is a 109 is a 109
i did fly the 47n actually... like a pony with a bit more manuever, but less climb and accell. nothing amazingly different than other p47's, not like an entirely different plane or anything.
just my opinion
Am with Ramzey on this one - would like to see them add some new aircraft to the roster instead of the endless re-do's of the SPits and 109's or anything having to do with TOD.
The rest of us that pay the bills would like to have some new toys as well.
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did u guys know that the he111 in the Hendon museum is a origional german made one from the 1940.most places with them on desplay have the spanish built ones.
Id love to see this plane and have the toerpedo option and the v1 option to come with it
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Wow, alot of whaaa whaaaing in this thread.
It is true however that the Spanish planeset is entirely under
represented. ;)
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Originally posted by Krusty
This isn't "still another spitfire" -- it's probably the most uber spitfire we've ever had and will ever get. This puppy's probably going to end up perked at the rate it's going.
And you still say "it's not new"??
It's had a profound impact on the arena as a whole!
Krusty that's such a load of crap it isn't even funny.
What you have is a lot of guys who see that the number 16 comes after 14 so it must be more uber then the 14 even though it's nothing more then a clipped LF 9 with an American Packard Merlin 266.
Check out what the good Spitfire drivers are flying. Chances are they are in Spit 8s or Spit 9s.
I love nothing more then going nose to nose with a Spit 16 in an 8 or 9. I'm a lousy stick but 9 out of 10 times I'm going to beat the guy in the 16 cause he thinks he can turn with the full span wing 8 or 9.
Has it had an impact on the arena? You bet. Now the guys who were running away at light speed in their LA7s are having to stay and fight because they can't outrun everything. I'd rather run into 100 guys in Spit 16s cause they can't run away then 100 guys in LA7s who HO and run.
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Guppy you might disagree, but I'd not be so harsh as to call it "a load of crap".
I have taken a liking to the Spit14 lately, myself. I don't mind the 8/9. However the Spit16 performs as well in most areas as the 8/9, better in some areas. The only benefit the 14 has is engine power and speed (I think it's got about 50MPH over the 16??). All these late spits turn almost the same. The 14 is a little worse than its relatives, but not very much. The 16 rolls a lot better, it has the old SpitV's UFO-ness and ability to hang on its nose until doomsday, it can hover, it can flip, rotate, loop-de-loop and anything else, and it's got 50cals instead of 303s, so it's got a slightly stronger punch over the 8/9.
Top speed aside, and performance at 20k+ aside, the 16 is the best spit in the game.
I will grant you that folks in spits stay and fight, instead of taking the LA7 route and fleeing, but going by the numbers we've lost no LA7 pilots, and gained 40,000+ spit16 pilots, so it's not the same folk. The LA7 folk are still running, it's just the other folk that don't run are now in better planes. The folk that run are still here.
You can add comments such as "in the right hands" and so forth, and for the most part I will agree with you! However, the *average* pilot in a spit16 is going to beat the *average* pilot in a spit8/9.
My initial point was to differentiate that a spitfire is NOT a spitfire is NOT a spitfire. Seems folks don't care, they just want new planes. Who can blame 'em?
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the big BS'er in the Spit 14 is the strange torque effect killing rudder snapshots which only seems to effect that plane.
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LMAO
I'd like to hear the whine if the MK XII was to be introduced.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Furball
the big BS'er in the Spit 14 is the strange torque effect killing rudder snapshots which only seems to effect that plane.
Agreed. This plane was reportedly almost identical to a spitV in performance and characteristics. It looks like HTC simply put an arbitrary limitation on the plane simply because it was a perk plane, or some such silly reason. I've noticed that for years on the -14. It's not just torque, it also has moments of instability, accelerated stalls when it ought not to, and so forth. No other spits experience this, as far as I can recall.
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Originally posted by Furball
the big BS'er in the Spit 14 is the strange torque effect killing rudder snapshots which only seems to effect that plane.
Read anything about flying the Griffon Spits and pilots agree it was a totally different animal. One of the beefs of the Spit XII drivers was the need for constant rudder trimming to keep it pointed in the right direction. Torque from that Griffon was a real beast. They'd even add more pressure to the oleo in the undercarriage leg on the side the torque would try and roll the plane to as to try and help on the take off roll.
Common occurance for the Merlin Spit drivers transitioning to the Griffon birds was to trim the rudder the way they did in the Merlin Spit. Problem was the prop rotated the other direction in the Griffon Spits. Lots of strange take offs seen until the word got out better to trim the other way.
Can't say I fly the Spit 14 in AH, as it's perked and I stay out of the perked birds so I don't know what that feels like in AH.
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you guys are f**** sick
cold you just hold yourself and dont do from every thread spit thread
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Originally posted by Krusty
Agreed. This plane was reportedly almost identical to a spitV in performance and characteristics. It looks like HTC simply put an arbitrary limitation on the plane simply because it was a perk plane, or some such silly reason. I've noticed that for years on the -14. It's not just torque, it also has moments of instability, accelerated stalls when it ought not to, and so forth. No other spits experience this, as far as I can recall.
The Spit V was considered the best Spit in terms of overall handling. Basically a dream to fly from what Spit V pilots have said, in comparrison to the others.
That DOES NOT mean it's the best combat Spit. As with any of the WW2 birds, as engine horsepower increased, so did weight, etc. Some handling was sacrificed for overall performance.
There is NO comparison between flying a Spit V and a Spit 14. They considered renaming the Spits that had the Griffon because it was in many ways a totally different bird.
Always cracks me up in AH to see a Spit 14 driver get into a turn fight with any other variant of the Spit. He'll lose the turn fight every time, when he can in fact control it with the other attributes of the 14. Think I still have the film of a guy who tried to do that with me in a Spit V and him in a 14. He lost but he shouldn't have.
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Originally posted by ramzey
you guys are f**** sick
cold you just hold yourself and dont do from every thread spit thread
Hey! He started it! :)
Points at Krusty
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we do need the he.111:noid
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(http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/funny/noob.jpg)
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^-- Points at Ramzey and Guppy
I used spits as an example, then it got detoured from there!!
P.S. Guppy, try out the Spit14. It's a very cheap perk, all of about 15 points, you can make that back in a single sortie most times. I made good use of its top speed and its climbing abilities to evade other spits, and then chase them down when they broke, and also to spiral over them and roll down on them. Also helps that it has a little more gas in the wings (like the 8).
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Who do you call noob kid?
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Originally posted by Bronk
LMAO
I'd like to hear the whine if the MK XII was to be introduced.
Bronk
imagine the whines if HT gave the spit16 it's true performance.
and then imagine the spit21 whines!
ahhh, bliss
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Originally posted by ramzey
Who do you call noob kid?
the new guys that registered in 2006 :D