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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Fatty on January 25, 2001, 01:21:00 AM
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I'm suprised nobody in here has brought up Marc David Rich yet, so I figured I'd stir the pot a bit.
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didnt the rev. jesse jackson have an afair that resulted in a child ? didn't he councel pres. Clinton?
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Well, the liberals choose to ignore it, or justify it, and it doesn't surprise the conservatives since we drive without blinders on.
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Sure it's amusing, but I just don't care. If anybody honestly believed that JJ was counselling prez. Clinton on the evils of extramarital affairs, they probly also believe the BS that W. is spreading around.
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From what I gather the Rich pardon should never have happened. It looks bad, very bad at the very least. Even Paul Begala, as rabid a Clinton defender as they come, couldn't muster one line of defense on Clinton's behalf.
Personally, I don't care. Nothing really surprises me when dealing with politics. The only thing I fear will happen is evidence will come forth proving that money moved between Rich and either the DNC or Clinton directly. If such evidence is produced, it is a felony, and the Clinton investigation will begin anew. Then, even though it would be legal and proper to pursue prosecution, Clinton will skate through the system again. I would rather they let the guy go off and give speeches about what a great job he did and plug the young sycophants on the side, and let the rest of us try to forget he ever existed.
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You can bet there will be an investigation if Ashcroft gets past the absurd Democratic intentional roadblocking of his nomination for A.G.
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what do pardons have to do with jesse jackson?
yeah fatty i wa gonna yell at my cat for knocking over my speaker but she whipped out a piece of papaer - and apparantly clinton let her off too
seriously - did you expect any less
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Kieren,
Do a key word search on Marc Rich or Richco--
You will see why the fact that this guy got a pardon is revulting. Some of the things that he did were treason.
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Milo
3./JG2
"Swager's Angels"
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the whole pardon business of clinton's goes deeper than we'll every prove, one thing this guy can do well, is cover his tracks...
Eagler
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
You can bet there will be an investigation if Ashcroft gets past the absurd Democratic intentional roadblocking of his nomination for A.G.
What were JJ's and Ted Kennedy's biggest opjections to Ashcroft? Moral standing or something like that?
Downright hilarious coming from those 2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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clinton's true "legacy" Pardoning terrorists from NY area to help influence hillary's election and later 140 pardons of various true "pillars of society"
Mav
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Evidently, Mr.Clinton had some favors to pay off, man, this next year is going to show the true legacy of this criminal you Dems voted for! LOL!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/012501/clinton_pardons.sml (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/012501/clinton_pardons.sml)
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From the hyperlink:
"That evidence overwhelmingly proved that for almost 20 years, the members of this conspiracy successfully corrupted every federal government grant program available to them so that they their families and their friends could maintain a community subsidized almost entirely by the taxpaying public,"
I count 8 years of the Clinton administration, 4 years for the Bush and 8 for the Reagan <scum> administration, I guess Bubba just completed paying off Rayguns debt?
Your beginning to sound like cabby Rip, ease up before you lose all your credibility too.
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Well, consider credibility lost then, because I sympathize with Cabby.
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mrfish ,, I was just pointing out the HIGH morals of the people Clinton surrounds himself with . JJ is a rev he must have high morals . Clinton is just another crossbred hillbilly with a silver tongue (just ask any intern) he's the Pres. he can do whatever he wants , screw interns cheat on taxes , pardon criminals , ANYTHING HE WANTS
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Originally posted by paintmaw:
Clinton is just another crossbred hillbilly with a silver tongue
- gotcha paint - i might use that silver-toungue-hillbilly bit.....that would make a good band name for a rockabilly band:
"jebediah and the crossbread silver tounged hillbillies"
now appearing at the fillmore
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otoh the bad taste from it it could give McCain the support he needs to make those idiots (on both sides) pass campaign finance.
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Fatty
What are more laws going to do when we can't enforce the ones we have now?? It the same argument as gun control. Several of those pardoned were incriminated with illegal fund raising. Where are they now? Out on the streets or looking at reduced sentences thanks to slick willie.
Eagler
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------sorry - off topic warning------
You know jebediah, mrfish? They openned for our band when they played here a few months ago. Nice people, for Australians (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-----back to yer musings-----
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Well, Eagler, we can throw up our hands and give up, or we can try to do something about it.
People talk about the fact the parties are very similar, but it's no suprise when you take into account many of the major contributers are buying favors from both parties, not just one.
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cc Fatty, no argument there...
I did like the fact that Bush published his contributions during the election. More than we can saw about goron and company..
Eagler
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Well, consider credibility lost then, because I sympathize with Cabby.
Sorry to hear that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Heres some interesting reading for you.
Mein Kampf (http://www.stormfront.org/books/mein_kampf/index.html)
Spread the Hate!
[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 01-25-2001).]
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Originally posted by Nash:
------sorry - off topic warning------
You know jebediah, mrfish? They openned for our band when they played here a few months ago. Nice people, for Australians (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-----back to yer musings-----
nope sorry nash - i was just bein' a smart-ass and the name always gives me a laugh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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PUNT!
Still waiting on the republican spin on this.
"That evidence overwhelmingly proved that for almost 20 years, the members of this conspiracy successfully corrupted every federal government grant program available to them so that they their families and their friends could maintain a community subsidized almost entirely by the taxpaying public,"
[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 01-25-2001).]
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I've got no spin on it Jihad. This latest is just one more example of political corruption, it's not party specific.
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Thank you Fatty, thats exactly the point I was looking for.
This latest is just one more example of political corruption, it's not party specific.
I'm just becoming tired of the Adolph <Rush> Limbaugh rhetoric being spewed everywhere.
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Fatty are you talking about the Presidential pardons granted to Weinberger and five other Iran-contra defendants on Christmas Eve 1992 by President Bush?
You know the one that got Weinberger of the hook from testifying in a court of law.
Hmmm, come to think to think of it who was Casper's right hand man during the eighties?
Wasn't it Colin Powell?
You know what the scary thing is? This traitor now holds a HIGHER office! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
[This message has been edited by blur (edited 01-25-2001).]
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Originally posted by blur:
Fatty are you talking about the Presidential pardons granted to Weinberger and five other Iran-contra defendants on Christmas Eve 1992 by President Bush?
You know the one that got Weinberger of the hook from testifying in a court of law.
Hmmm, come to think to think of it who was Casper's right hand man during the eighties?
Wasn't it Colin Powell?
You know what the scary thing is? This traitor now holds a HIGHER office! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
[This message has been edited by blur (edited 01-25-2001).]
Blur,
What, other than your over inflated opinion, is your basis in fact for alleging that Colin Powell is a traitor???
This seems like another "cheap shot" that you deride others in this bbs for using. I guess it's ok for you to do it though.
Mav
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Burton demands documents on Clinton pardon of financier
January 25, 2001
Web posted at: 6:26 PM EST (2326 GMT)
By Terry Frieden/CNN
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton's controversial last-minute pardon of wealthy financier Marc Rich has spawned an investigation by a congressional panel.
House Government Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton, R-Indiana, sent six letters to government officials and private attorneys Thursday demanding documents for his committee's investigation.
In a letter to Acting Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department houses the files of pardon applications, Burton demanded records relating to efforts to obtain clemency for Rich or associate Pincus Green. Later, in an interview with CNN's Judy Woodruff, Burton acknowledged the Justice Department may not have any relevant documents.
"The Justice Department didn't know anything about this," said Burton, who complained the president had taken the unusual step of circumventing the normal procedures. Applications for presidential pardons generally go to the Justice Department's U.S. Pardon Attorney Roger Adams, who compiles information and forwards them to the White House for consideration.
Clinton pardoned Rich about two hours before he left office last Saturday.
Rich who lives in Switzerland fled the U.S. in 1983 after being indicted for wire fraud, racketeering, and income tax evasion. He was also charged with violating trade restrictions with Iran at the time the government in Tehran was holding U.S. diplomats as hostages.
Rich, now 66, is an active businessman in Switzerland. His ex-wife Denise is an active Democratic Party fund-raiser and contributed to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign.
Burton says he wants his House committee "to determine whether the president had an improper motive for the pardons, whether law enforcement authorities were consulted before the pardons were granted, and determine if any regulations governing the lobbying of the president may have been violated."
Eagler
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Originally posted by jihad:
PUNT!
Still waiting on the republican spin on this.
[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 01-25-2001).]
Jihad,
When was this discovered? That is critical to your implication that a Republican Executive had anything to do with propogating it.
A second question is why did clinton feel the need to actually pardon them??? Oh yeah, hillary is a senator for NY now.... I can see why he would suck up to them.
I can understand why one felon would want to get other felons off the hook from prosecution or sentencing, even if it was 140 of them. I don't have to like it and it certainly didn't influence me to have any respect for the felon who occupied the Oval Office the last 8 years.
Mav
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Originally posted by Maverick:
Blur,
What, other than your over inflated opinion, is your basis in fact for alleging that Colin Powell is a traitor???
This seems like another "cheap shot" that you deride others in this bbs for using. I guess it's ok for you to do it though.
Mav
Mav, I thought you'd never ask. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) http://www.consortiumnews.com/121700a.html (http://www.consortiumnews.com/121700a.html)
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Blur,
Read the first 3 pages without seeing any incriminating evidence.
Cut to the chase, please. What in that batch backs up your statement?
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I went through the Viet Nam portion of the "article" you used as a reference. When read critacally it showed that Powell was not involved in the My Lai incident, was not present or involved in the alledged killing of civilians but was wounded on a patrol early in the war.
The article seems to have been written with the intent to smear Powell with both the My Lai incident and the other helicopter strafing incident when he wasn't there. It is pretty typical character assasination.
The opening about Kovak (sp?) and Powell at the book signing is not germain to any allegation of treason. All it said was a wounded infantryman had a disagreement about how war should be waged. The thought that war should be anything nice is pure drivel. Kovaks implication that "too much force" was used in the Gulf War is pure speculation and on the face of it rediculous.
I repeat Blur, where is your proof that Colin Powel is a traitor.
Mav
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Originally posted by Maverick:
Jihad,
When was this discovered? That is critical to your implication that a Republican Executive had anything to do with propogating it.
A second question is why did clinton feel the need to actually pardon them??? Oh yeah, hillary is a senator for NY now.... I can see why he would suck up to them.
I can understand why one felon would want to get other felons off the hook from prosecution or sentencing, even if it was 140 of them. I don't have to like it and it certainly didn't influence me to have any respect for the felon who occupied the Oval Office the last 8 years.
Mav
Its referring to ripsnorts post:
Evidently, Mr.Clinton had some favors to pay off, man, this next year is going to show the true legacy of this criminal you Dems voted for! LOL!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/012501/clinton_pardons.sml (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/012501/clinton_pardons.sml)
Clinton pardoned several people he shouldn't have.
I'm just getting sick of the people who parrot the festering pus bag Rush Limbaugh <a known liar> and lay the blame for everything on the democratic party.
(http://oberon.spaceports.com/~cmahterr/rush.gif)
HERO of the REPUBLICAN PARTY
There are many good people who are democratic affiliated - just as there are republicans worthy of praise, my point is the crimes he pardoned this man for occurred mainly during periods of republican control of the White House.
I don't have to like it and it certainly didn't influence me to have any respect for the felon who occupied the Oval Office the last 8 years.
Do you respect the felons who preceded him? I dont, IMO theres no difference between the republican and democratic party, they both have their quota of lying scum.
The latest occupant is of the same caliber as Clinton,Bush,and Reagan - Hail to the Thief!
EDIT:
I apologize in advance for the swastika in the "Adolph Limbaugh" picture - but given this slimebags political views its appropriate.
[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 01-26-2001).]
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Originally posted by Maverick:
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I repeat Blur, where is your proof that Colin Powel is a traitor.
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This link should move you up to the eighties in the Powell story.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html (http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html)
During the Gulf War the fact that we were putting our troops in harms way, killing Iraqis and doing it all in the name of oil was bad enough.
But by far the scariest thing to me was Powell's complete control of the media. Now that's frick'n terrifying!
This was posted at the end of an article concerning a recent State Department speech.
"There was also one more sign of the old military man in Powell. During the Gulf War, media coverage was carefully controlled. The same was done today. The retired general did not allow the media to record his speech, only to watch it on the in-house channel in the State Department."
-abcnews.com
Yes indeed, the old puppet master and consummate media spinner is back in town.
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Originally posted by blur:
This link should move you up to the eighties in the Powell story.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html (http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html)
During the Gulf War the fact that we were putting our troops in harms way, killing Iraqis and doing it all in the name of oil was bad enough.
But by far the scariest thing to me was Powell's complete control of the media. Now that's frick'n terrifying!
This was posted at the end of an article concerning a recent State Department speech.
"There was also one more sign of the old military man in Powell. During the Gulf War, media coverage was carefully controlled. The same was done today. The retired general did not allow the media to record his speech, only to watch it on the in-house channel in the State Department."
-abcnews.com
Yes indeed, the old puppet master and consummate media spinner is back in town.
blah, blah, blah,.............
Now we have people complaining about Powell. Maybe Bush should have chose jesse the baby maker jackson for his cabinet... Or national security be dam, let's have CNN in the Pentagon, maybe they could "guide" the country properly.
This thread is about slick willie paying back his minions with less than 24 hrs left in his term. Don't know why we expected anything less...
Eagler
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Originally posted by Eagler:
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This thread is about slick willie paying back his minions with less than 24 hrs left in his term. Don't know why we expected anything less...
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I apologize Eagler. I thought that this thread was entitled "Presidential Pardons?" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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It is blur, tell me when Powell has been pardoned for anything? You state his supervisor received one not him. If we took it to that level with clinton we'd be taking about a lot more than 140.
On that note, anyone know the highest number of pardons given by a president at one time, in one year? Just curious..
Eagler
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Originally posted by blur:
This link should move you up to the eighties in the Powell story.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html (http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html)
During the Gulf War the fact that we were putting our troops in harms way, killing Iraqis and doing it all in the name of oil was bad enough.
But by far the scariest thing to me was Powell's complete control of the media. Now that's frick'n terrifying!
This was posted at the end of an article concerning a recent State Department speech.
"There was also one more sign of the old military man in Powell. During the Gulf War, media coverage was carefully controlled. The same was done today. The retired general did not allow the media to record his speech, only to watch it on the in-house channel in the State Department."
-abcnews.com
Yes indeed, the old puppet master and consummate media spinner is back in town.
Blur,
Stay with me on this one ok.
1. We were at war with Iraq.
2. The media reported on events leading up and during the war. Not to mention afterwards.
3. Iraq also received the same news broadcasts as did all the rest of the world. Think of the broadcasts as intelligence gathering means.
4.It is bad form for your war plans to be broadcast to the enemy. It leads to excessive casualties on your side. If you need a historical perspective read up on the cracking of the Germans and Japanese codes during WW2.
Most of us were concerned that the hostilities, initiated by Iraq, be brought to a successful conclusion with as few casualties to our side as possible. That was achieved.
The fact that the media was not allowed to broadcast combat ops and plans is a fairly simple concept for me to grasp. I fail to understand why you think that is so strange given the speed and global capabilities of the media. Perhaps your military training was insufficient to allow you to understand that keeping the enemy in the dark about just what you intend to do to him is important.
A side note here. Powell wasn't the tactical or strategic commander. Schwartzkopf (sp) was the man on the ground with that control. Neither of them got to make the final decisions as to whether hostilities would occur. That was the domain of the world leaders who put the coalition together and, of course, hussein.
In this country the military does not decide world policy, deployments or if there will be hostilities. The military follows the direction of a civilian political office holder and government. The military is an extension of political power wielded by the governing body and nation they serve.
I still do not understand where you think Powell is a traitor. The work of innuendo and speculation you linked is certainly devoid of any support of treasonous activity on Powells part.
Mav