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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Panzzer on February 15, 2006, 02:07:31 PM
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Our current RPS is getting close to it's end, we'll try the RPS with Kanttori's & BlauK's new Karelia-map (if we get it on the server before the weekend) starting on sunday. We really should have some more Russian planes, esp. the early war ones... But if we get the new map, it should make up for the missing planes et all. :)
RPS: EASTERN FRONT 1941-1944 (or.. KARELIA 1941-1944?)
Finland and Germany against Soviet Union.
Axis: Knights
Allies: Bishops
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1941, Sunday February 19th
AXIS
Brewster (FM2) (Finns)
Hurricane I (Finns)
Bf 109E-4 (Germans)
Bf 110C-4b (Germans)
Junkers Ju87D-3 Stuka (Germans)
ALLIES
Hurricane IIC
P40B
Boston III
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1942, Wednesday February 22nd
AXIS
add Bf 109 F4 (Germans)
add Junkers Ju88A-4 (Germans)
ALLIES
add P40E
add IL-2 Type 3
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1943, Sunday February 26th
AXIS
remove Hurricane I
add Bf 109G-2 (Finns)
add Ju88A-4 (also for the Finns now)
add Bf 109 G-6 (Germans)
add FW 190 A-5 (Germans)
add Bf 110G-2 (Germans)
add T34 (Finns used captured T34's)
ALLIES
add Yak 9T
add LA-5 FN
remove P40B
add T34
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1944, Wednesday March 1st
AXIS
add Bf 109 G-6 (Finns also)
add Bf 109G-14 (Germans)
add FW 190 F-8 (Germans)
ALLIES
add Yak 9U
add A-20G Havoc
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SETTINGS
are still under discussion, AvA standards will be used for most.
Killshooter will be OFF.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
But if we get the new map, it should make up for the missing planes et all. :)
How is it going to make up for missing planes?
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Originally posted by Shifty
How is it going to make up for missing planes?
By being such a lovely map.
- oldman (wait until you see it)
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At least you get to look at nice scenery while flying the old planes...
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it is a VERY pretty map. you might wanna turn down some of your graphics though. i usually run AH with antialiasing, and i need to turn that off so i dont fly in a slideshow over leningrad lol
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Why change the map? They are the same planes (Yawn).
Can't we get a Pac. RPS????
LW Spit war is getting old.
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Originally posted by Kongkyuk
Why change the map? They are the same planes (Yawn).
Can't we get a Pac. RPS????
LW Spit war is getting old.
quit flying around at 107k and engage someone occassionally
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Originally posted by Oldman731
By being such a lovely map.
- oldman (wait until you see it)
Ahh so the daiseys I'll be pushing will be all the prettier...
Got it!:aok
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Cuz the P40E will be there! ...I call allies!
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For an advance look at the terrain, you can get it here.
http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia.zip
Skyfoxx
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Looking forward to both the new terrain and the planeset.
Would not the A6M2 be an acceptable early Yak and maybe the Ki-61 an early LaGG ?
Of couse this is just an off the cuff remark, I am not an expert on Russian aircraft.
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Originally posted by Skyfoxx
For an advance look at the terrain, you can get it here.
http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia.zip
Skyfoxx
It's now online in the SEA, today's snapshot (3pm EST) is on that map.
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Here's hoping the AvA talent uses the Whole map, as this is the Stalins Fourth terrain the scenario will use.
There may be several "huge" missions simply to test the playability of the terrain before Stalins.
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:cry
man, i hope they can get my account fixed.
Is this map only for today
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Originally posted by kanttori
You can download the Karelia terrain also from here:
KARELIA OFFICIAL VERSION (http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia.zip)
Unzip the file to the HTC / Aces High II / ahiiterr folder.:)
Or you can get the terrain from the link Kanttori provided. (edit: the same link Skyfoxx posted earlier..)
Randomguy, this map will be in the AvA for the next two weeks, starting on sunday.
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Given how differnet this map is from any other map... do you think we could have troops enabled so that we can capture bases?
Id love to try out the new cool stuff on this map.
Either that both sides have troops or alternating like this.
Allies have troops in 1941
Axis have troops in 1942
Allies have troops in 1943
Axis have troops in 1944
Tex
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Capture will be enabled, I think I'll add the C47 and M3 to both sides from the start. But the number of troops (required for capture) will be higher than MA default... Perhaps 25 instead of the 10.
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Tex I like that idea!
Maybe not on a yearly thing, but everytime an upgrade comes along, maybe give the other side troops, and then the next upgrade switch.
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I gotta try and get into this. I've always disliked Finn/Russ. No matter what side I fly , this setup has always been my least favorite. I know it's a big hit with most folks, I just can never get into it.
But I'm gonna try.
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Screenshots from the Karelia terrain (Official Stalin's Fourth Scenario shots):
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia01.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia02.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia03.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia04.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia05.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia06.jpg)
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More:
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia07.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia08.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia09.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia10.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia11.jpg)
(http://www.kesalesket.net/karelia/karelia12.jpg)
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impressive kanttori, very good work. thanks for posting the screenies.
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I Dl'd it today and flew off line. It's killer. Very nice work.:aok
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I'd personally suggest not going over 20 troops needed. It's hard enough to coordinate 2 goons in a small arena setting, 3 is asking too much, methinks.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I'd personally suggest not going over 20 troops needed. It's hard enough to coordinate 2 goons in a small arena setting, 3 is asking too much, methinks.
I disagree.
Personally I do think it is actually easier to coordinate people in a smaller arena setting.
Tex
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Panzzer,
Some setup notes:
- remember to take of the protect objects to enable destryction of all bridges
- set the radar circles fairly small (was it 5 miles or so.. I think Sasmox knows)... there are lots of radar towers everywhere
- ack lethality should maybe be lowered some from default.
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Hats off.
That looks cool.
I never played online, i really hope i can play.
Man, you online playin guys got it good.
I mean, is there a better map than this ?!
I played offline, and it was amazing!!!!
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One thing I'll never figure out is how you Finns have been allowed to have the FM2 , a 1943 design sub for a 1939 Brewster Buffalo , or B-239 as you call it. Then get to include it during a 1941 setup against such uber performers as the P-40B.:confused:
I know I am about to get hammered by the conspiracy against the Axis , hammer of doom.....I have to ask though..... Isnt this a bit of a stretch?
Just asking, and ducking , and diving.;)
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Originally posted by Shifty
One thing I'll never figure out is how you Finns have been allowed to have the FM2 , a 1943 design sub for a 1939 Brewster Buffalo , or B-239 as you call it. Then get to include it during a 1941 setup against such uber performers as the P-40B.:confused:
I know I am about to get hammered by the conspiracy against the Axis , hammer of doom.....I have to ask though..... Isnt this a bit of a stretch?
Just asking, and ducking , and diving.;)
Hehe, I think just about everybody has asked about that sub at one point Shifty.:)
I totally agree with you and have never understood that sub for as long as the Fin-Rus setup has been around. I think the F4f-4 would be a better choice. But I am open to a good reason why the Fm-2 has been chosen instead, just haven't had anybody offer one yet.
Although Fm-2 or not I am looking forward to the new map and setup tomorrow.
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I popped into the SEA earlier to try things out.
It's very hard to get from 1 V-field to a nearby one. There are marshes in between them (no idea why!!), there are the reinforced enbankments around most of the field, that you cannot get past, and there are winding roads and obstructions from something that you can see visually but not get to.
Very frustrating.
I noticed 1 thing: I could not man the 8" gun at the V-field. It let me select the 37mm guns but wouldn't recognize me clicking on the 8" gun.
On other problem: It's nearly impossible to manuver inside the reinforced embankments around V-fields (where you're supposed to park your tank?) because it's too narrow. Maybe it's easier in a T-34, but I was in a panzr. I ended up getting flipped upside down because I gently nudged one side.
I think I'll avoid the GV war on this one. I think I'll focus on IL2 GV pounding!!!
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I know I asked this question to Dok once and he made the point about the FM2 being too much for a sub for the Brewster. When we did the Rangoon scenario he subbed in the SBD because he said the performance was more similar. Just a thought.
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Ok, the terrain is now loaded and the setup's done. Go and fly. :)
Please post here if there's something wrong or if you're having problems with the terrain.
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Looking forward to this RPS. On such a lovely map none the less. Hope my FPS can stomach it online.....
One little thing id like to request for the RPS generally speaking. When you guys publish the dates that new planes are added/old ones removed..... could you please give us the date (todays date, not WW2) when that happens? On the BoB plane set you said: Day ## plane XY added. Trouble was: i never knew which was day 0. Would be great to know how long i can enjoy my HMk1 :D .
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Most people are flying up north.But if youwanna fly the 109 or the 110 you have to fly out of a14 wich is way south,so this pertty much takes it out of action.:huh
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Guys it seems the only way to change countrys is the .Country command. Don't know if thats a problem on the map end or the arena setup end.
Gears right, with the size of the map you may want to enable the aircraft at all fields.
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As the war progresses, the Germans will get closer to Leningrad...
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Always was curious about the sub of the FM-2 for the Brewster 239 (Buffalo).
Seems the F4F or SBD would be closer to the performance. The FM-2 is just WAY TOO UBBER for this sub.
Sorry, Finns - just the way I see it.
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BTY, Hey Kantorri! Good to see you! :aok
Thought you had passed out and died in the Sauna. LOL! :D
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- FM-2 is faster at deck, but has less guns than F4F-4.... only 4 like the Brewster.
- Top speed for F4F-4 and FM-2 is close to same, although both are faster than Brewster.
- F4F-4 would climb much worse than Brewster, while FM-2 and Brewster climb quite equally.
One should maybe also ask how the La5 can be subbed with La5FN??... It just can ;)
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Thanks for that info BlauK, I see even today the Buffalo is still the Taivaan Helmi to you Finns. But you have to admit that the sub has more to do with you Finns having an inflated believe in your piloting skills, fighting the peasant airforce, than in actual plane performance. :D
Found an interesting online article on the Buffalo for anybody that is interested and hasn't seen it yet.
http://www.airspacemag.com/ASM/Mag/Index/1996/JJ/ssbb.html
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Originally posted by BlauK
- FM-2 is faster at deck, but has less guns than F4F-4.... only 4 like the Brewster.
- Top speed for F4F-4 and FM-2 is close to same, although both are faster than Brewster.
- F4F-4 would climb much worse than Brewster, while FM-2 and Brewster climb quite equally.
One should maybe also ask how the La5 can be subbed with La5FN??... It just can ;)
I don't see the LA5N fighting against Bf-109E's this week ethier.
I do see the FM2 fighting against P-40B's.
Doesn't really matter , I just think you guys pulled the wool over some eyes on this one.:aok
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Finns using the FM2 is just fine IMO. The Brewsters the Finns used historically were not the navy models the US used at Midway (where the Buffalo earned its "flying coffin" reputation). The Finn version did not have as much armor or the reinforced undercarriage to allow carrier landings that the US version had. As such it was a very nimble compared to most of the planes it went up against, and it racked up quite an impressive record.
World War 2 Magazine did a write-up on it a while ago (can't find the issue - been a problem for me lately) and if memory serves, the Buffalos finally stopped flying more or less due to wear and tear, and not due to enemy action. I think the overall record of Brewsters vs Russian aircraft was in the neighborhood of 26-1.
Point being, given the reputation and record of the Brewster in Finnish hands, I can understand using the FM2. Given the reputation of the Brewster in US hands in a much more widely-known battle, I can see why most people would be very skeptical. The thing to keep in mind then, is that the two aircraft were quite different for the reasons already mentioned.
Staga posted the following in a thread in the Aircraft and vehicles forum under the thread "Russia's favorite lend-lease aircraft". I think it sums it up nicely.
Like "Pappy" Boyington said to interviewer about B-239 Brewster:
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"It was a DOG!" (Heavier B-339 "Buffalo").
Then he slowly leaned back in his chair and after a moment quietly said, "But the early models, before they weighed it all down with armorplate, radios and other sh_t, they were pretty sweet little ships. Not real fast, but the little fuc_s could turn and roll in a phonebooth. Oh yeah--sweet little ship; but some engineer went and fu__d it up."
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Finns had the 239, US had 339.
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Well, I believe I was writing that both of those options are better (in total?) than Brewster, but the choice is to be made between F4F-4 (better guns + better top speed + worse climb) and FM-2 (same guns + better top speed + same climb).
Remember that FAF uses this Brewster all the way to the end of the war. IMHO, FM-2 is a better representative of Brewster between these 2 options.
You will see the FM-2 fighting Yaks and La5FN:s.
P-40B does not sub the I-15, I-153, LaGG3 or Mig3 very accurately either, does it?
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You make some very valid points BlauK, that was the kind of information I mentioned that was lacking at least in my mind. I think just as you mention with the P40 the problem is subbing is always a tough thing to do.
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Originally posted by BlauK
P-40B does not sub the I-15, I-153, LaGG3 or Mig3 very accurately either, does it?
I have no idea, but if your correct....... Why have this setup at all? You don't see all these subs allowed in other setups.
The FM2 is a good plane to battle the Hurri II with though.
It just doesn't quite look like Finn/Russ at the moment. It's more of a showdown between Hawker, and Grumman. I've been flying the Emil mostly today, and I have to admit when I fly Axis it's going to be in the Psuedo Buffalo until the Franz comes out.:aok
It is too bad all the planes from your list don't exsist in the sim. Maybe one day they will be able to get around to all of them. Hopefully TOD will produce the need for some of the older birds.
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Did the Finnish B.239 have 2x .50 cal MGs & 2x .30 cal MG or a gun set of 4x .50 cal. machine guns?
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well the allied players will never leave the woobiecane and that thing is so rediculously overmodelled that it defies explanation. it will be a woobiecane month with horrendous boredom until the 109G2 appears
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Finnish Brewster's armament at first:
2 x 0.50 cal MG's in the wings
1 x 0.50 cal MG on the nose
1 x 0.30 cal MG on the nose
Later they compensated the 0.30 cal MG with 0.50 cal MG.
So it was almost equal with the FM2's 4 x 0.50 MG's. Actually those Brewster's nose MG's were better because of any or very small gun converengent.
Read more:
FAF BREWSTER (http://hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/faf/brewster.html)
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I love the map but I hate this set up the huricanes are rediculous so I'll see you guys next month. I'm tired of being gang banged by never ending waves of woobiecanes.
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Buh bye. :aok
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Some guys would like to "fight" in FM against p-40b for sure :huh
P.S. Didnt see single 109E or 110C here last evening
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German planes are on the south coast of the Gulf Of Finland: A11, A14, A15 and A16. Please use German skins with German planes (Ju88, 109G2 and G6) there. Finnish skins are default, use them on the Finnish front, please.
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Originally posted by Oleg
Some guys would like to "fight" in FM against p-40b for sure :huh
P.S. Didnt see single 109E or 110C here last evening
I was in both just about the whole time as were many others mostly right over A17
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something needs to be done with the radar
my suggestion is to open up it map wide
I was not getting dar bars when an allied up, you couldn't tell where the fighting was going on
the map objects look great but it also looks "busy". I think some log on, look around, do not see a single enemy in the air and log off..the map is too big not to have an indicator where to go for the action.
Open up the radar -both dots and bars.
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Originally posted by Oleg
Some guys would like to "fight" in FM against p-40b for sure :huh
P.S. Didnt see single 109E or 110C here last evening
That's because they have to fly up from the south end of the map.
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Panzzer is adjusting the radar (dar bar) better after couple of hours.
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Ok, i dont look close to availability of planes, so you should be right. In time i was in CT yesterday all axis guys flew in finnish part of map and all flew FM exept very few Hurr1. I tend to agree hurr2 is uber here but there is no any alternative for allies.
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Originally posted by storch
I love the map but I hate this set up the huricanes are rediculous so I'll see you guys next month. I'm tired of being gang banged by never ending waves of woobiecanes.
Maybe if you stayed out of the Allied Ack they wouldn't be able to get you.:p
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Originally posted by storch
well the allied players will never leave the woobiecane and that thing is so rediculously overmodelled that it defies explanation. it will be a woobiecane month with horrendous boredom until the 109G2 appears
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
the hurricane is outdone in everything except turnrate and firepower storch. we should be the ones complaining about turbocharged 109's, and UFO 110's
yet another luftweiner whine
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The FM last night were heavy and concentrating in the ground targets and base capture. One could have got several kills just as well with P-40 as with hizookahurricane. Now teh hurricanes kept on landing 5 - 8 kill sorties while allies outnumbered the axis...
Usually the attacker is supposed to have the better odds to be able to advance the front.
Oleg, it is pretty much up to yourself how much challenge you feel is right for you. Keep on flying the best possible plane if that is what makes you tick.
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Storch
If a slower plane kills a faster plane its always because the pilot in the faster plane allowed it to happen.
Yeah the hurrie is a fantastic 109 killer but only when the 109s start to fight the way the hurrie wants them to. If the 109 is patient and sticks to BnZing and maintains a E advantage then the hurricane cant hurt it.
Loosing patience and overcommiting against the hurricane results in a fast death. The consequence of a mistake is extreamly high vs a hurricane due to its agility and firepower.
But I dont see the issue since as long as you have speed and climb on your side its YOU that dictate the conditions of the fight.
Tex
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Originally posted by Shifty
Maybe if you stayed out of the Allied Ack they wouldn't be able to get you.:p
I'd love to but the ultra uber super fast that can't be caught be either the 110C or the 109E woobiecaneII ultra uber best fighter ever that should still be front line operational ultra uber uber uber hurricane drivers some how mananged to lose the turn fight and run for the ack which they never seem to far from anyways. did I mention that the hurricaneIIc is the uberest ever? if not I'll do so in a future post.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Oleg, it is pretty much up to yourself how much challenge you feel is right for you. Keep on flying the best possible plane if that is what makes you tick.
Like i said:
Some guys would like to "fight" in FM against p-40b for sure
Fly in 41 year plane against 44 year plane dont looks like fun for me.
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Originally posted by BlauK
The FM last night were heavy and concentrating in the ground targets and base capture. One could have got several kills just as well with P-40 as with hizookahurricane. Now teh hurricanes kept on landing 5 - 8 kill sorties while allies outnumbered the axis...
Usually the attacker is supposed to have the better odds to be able to advance the front.
Oleg, it is pretty much up to yourself how much challenge you feel is right for you. Keep on flying the best possible plane if that is what makes you tick.
that was pretty much it, the allied players were in gangbang frenzy and contrary to popular belief the hurriIIc is evey bit as fast as the 110 or 109E and retains E exceptionally well. it really should be the current front line NATO fighter it's that good.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Usually the attacker is supposed to have the better odds to be able to advance the front.
I wasn't on last night so I missed all the fun. Funny you guys don't care at all about any of this when your the ones winning. You just talk about how unskilled the Allies are, or how they stay in the ack, or how superior your flying skills are.
I gotta ask.......... Does this quote of yours mean the Allies are supposed to let you win?
Some of you guys beat everything. You got your own map. 90% of the setups always have 109s, 110s, and 190s. YOUR RIDES. Yet you always find something to complain about. I'd love it if the P-47, and P-51 were available half as much.
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Hmmmm I I tried out the AvA last night as axis. If all the allies wanted to up MkII hurries I upped a MkI . I landed a fews kill and had a bunch I couldnt due to pickers no big deal though all in fun. The MkI is more nimble than the MkII . Most players will readily try to turn fight and you can get on there 6 in about 3 turns.
The only thing that was pissing me off was the PT that kept driving up to shore and picking people off in low speed fights. Also because of having to turn down graphics all i could see was his shadow untill it was to late to avoid the fun killer.
Bronk
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Originally posted by storch
that was pretty much it, the allied players were in gangbang frenzy and contrary to popular belief the hurriIIc is evey bit as fast as the 110 or 109E and retains E exceptionally well. it really should be the current front line NATO fighter it's that good.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Gewuztraminer or Moselle.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/hurri2cspeed.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/109e4speed.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/110c4speed.gif)
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Tonight is the 78ths Squadnight. We'll be flying Axis. Maybe that will help a bit if the numbers have been skewed.
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Originally posted by Shifty
I gotta ask.......... Does this quote of yours mean the Allies are supposed to let you win?
It was mainly a response to the whines about FM-2 being an über plane while scoring multiple kill sorties against it at the same time. FM-2 will still be there and also used by many in 1944!!! That is when the allies are attacking and are supposed to have the upper hand.
AFAIK, this AvA RPS is in some way trying to recreate the historical events and balances.
I think people on both sides are supposed to open their eyes and allow the changes of balance during different years of the RPS. Is that not the whole idea of the RPS???
About the other assumptions. I dont think they are worth answering... provided they were directed at me.
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Originally posted by Toad
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Gewuztraminer or Moselle.
toad, the hurriIIc can out run the 109E on the deck and the 110 can barely catch it with even minimal retained E. come and see for yourself. spend one night in the axis rides then report how much I'm off please.
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Originally posted by BlauK
It was mainly a response to the whines about FM-2 being an über plane while scoring multiple kill sorties against it at the same time. FM-2 will still be there and also used by many in 1944!!! That is when the allies are attacking and are supposed to have the upper hand.
AFAIK, this AvA RPS is in some way trying to recreate the historical events and balances.
I think people on both sides are supposed to open their eyes and allow the changes of balance during different years of the RPS. Is that not the whole idea of the RPS???
About the other assumptions. I dont think they are worth answering... provided they were directed at me.
The questions I raised about the FM2 subbing for the Buffalo have nothing to do with your statement that the attacker is supposed to have better odds, and advance the battlefront. Thats a problem fairley common in this arena in the past. Theres been many setups where the historical victor got his rear kicked. Many times in PTO setups. Recently the BOB portion of the last setup was a runaway Axis victory. You may have to advance the front by adjusting the map if thats what your looking for. Just like the last map , if you were going to wait for D-Day , and the advance of the Allies across Europe......... I don't think it was going to happen. Plus if it had happened how much complaining would you have seen on this forum about the hoarding, and gangbanging.
There are a lot more reasons for the victorys and defeats of history. It wasn't just decided by airplanes for one thing, and it was never decided by a bunch of computer geeks who could die, and jump right back up to fight again.
If you say the FM2 is a realistic sub for the Finnish version of the Buffalo , I have to accept it. It's not like I have a say so.
What you call my other assumptions,, are observations. The truth is the Luftwaffe setups are far more numerous, I suppose if you like RAF planes it's probably not as noticeable. If your waiting to fly USAAF planes............. Your SOL. So it's not an assumption that there are LW planes available constantly. Just like all the insults and complaints , they are not assumed. They are right here in this forum. All you have to do is look in any thread, and observe them.
:aok
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Originally posted by storch
toad, the hurriIIc can out run the 109E on the deck and the 110 can barely catch it with even minimal retained E.
So you're saying HTC's published charts are wrong?
Look at the graph again. Hurri shows ~275 max on the deck in WEP.
Both the 109 and the 110 are ~285 at mil and 109 ~ 295, 110 ~300 in WEP.
How does a Hurri in WEP outrun a 109 when the 109 is 10 mph faster in Mil and nearly 20 mph faster in WEP?
How does a Hurri in WEP outrun a 110 when the 110 is ~15 faster mph in Mil and 25 mph faster in WEP?
Or are you saying HTC porked their own charts as part of the anti-LW conspiracy?
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BTW, I might get in there tonight if I have some free time. The current MA map is one of the worst IMO.
How have the numbers been in the AvA? Good as BoB?
Which side has the FM2? That's where I'll be.
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Shifty,
I was not referring to that subbing discussion. I was referring to Hurri vs FM-2 whines.
With assumptions I meant:
- "You just talk about how unskilled the Allies are, or how they stay in the ack, or how superior your flying skills are."
- "Some of you guys beat everything. You got your own map. 90% of the setups always have 109s, 110s, and 190s. YOUR RIDES. Yet you always find something to complain about."
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Originally posted by Toad
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Gewuztraminer or Moselle.
Wow.. didn't know the Hurri IIC was so slow on the deck. That's why that 110 I shot down was able to reup and overtake my Hurri IIc despite my 4 mile head start.
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Yeah Blauk thats what I meant too. Whats an assumption to you, is an observation to me. I shouldn't have made such a generalized statement I know.
I have no problem with the RPS. I think it's the greatest thing since Hitech learned to COAD.
There are a lot of Axis guys that havent been doing the things I mentioned.
Therefore I should tone down my own rhetoric. Plus the one of the biggest complainers , I happen to like. He just has a knack for pissin me off, and making laugh at the same time.:D
As for the advancing the front. I think you guys should do it manually if you really want to reflect it. It worked for the last RPS. However if you can take over the territory without adjusting the map. Good on ya.
The 78th will be Axis tonight, maybe we can draw away some of them Hurri pilots so the ground forces can advance.
:aok
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I was in a p40b lastnight and killed a 109. I started flying home as I was way south near his base. I saw him reup and the base was dissappearing from view. I was in a slow climb heading north and had dot vis on him the whole time.
The dot kept coming..closer..higher. I decided to turn back on him before he got much higher. I had only gotten 1/2 way home, and the 109 is 3.0 away, and only about 2k under me. I dove down on him...he climbed up at me...from my dive, and the speed it gave me...he passes by firing and continues to climb. I had all I could do to follow him up and avoid another HO in the process.
I see plenty of p40s in use. So having the hurri2 in there doesnt seem that big a deal to me. The 109 certainly is much more plane than the P40B.
The FM2...well...its a little more plane than the rest of them in my opinion. Its hard to sub, and stay in the bounds of fairness. The goods news is, as more planes come available, the sides will take turns at having the advantage throughout the campaign.
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Don't confuse storch with the facts, his mind is made up.
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Originally posted by Toad
Or are you saying HTC porked their own charts as part of the anti-LW conspiracy?
:noid
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Originally posted by Toad
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Gewuztraminer or Moselle.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/hurri2cspeed.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/109e4speed.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/110c4speed.gif)
Watch out!!!!
posting facts may get you band from the BBS:D
After all look what happen to crump:rolleyes:
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P.S., a whopping 10mph difference (109E vs Hurr2C) means squat, especially if the Hurr2 has so much as a 100 foot advantage it can gain that much speed, and HOLD IT (ridiculously, for a very long time before it starts to slow down). The 109E, rather, has been noted to be draggier than before 2.6, as they no longer need to use rudder to slow down when landing, they just instantly slow down on their own. So while the Hurr2C gains and keeps speed for ages, the 109E loses it very rapidly.
Plus, the last time I was on, 12+ Hurr2Cs were ganging 2 110cs (I was one) and they all had 7k alt over us, so 15mph difference in speed means jack in most cases :P
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I welcome all you doubters to spend one night in the 110 or the 109 vs ther hurricaneIIc then post your opinions and observations. i doubt any of you will and if you did you wouldn't last seconds into your first encounter. the hurriIIc retains E forever and it shouldn't.
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So you both are saying the 109 cannot catch a Hurri on the deck and a 110 can barely catch it?
You're saying HTC's charts are wrong?
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Originally posted by storch
I welcome all you doubters to spend one night in the 110 or the 109 vs ther hurricaneIIc then post your opinions and observations. i doubt any of you will and if you did you wouldn't last seconds into your first encounter. the hurriIIc retains E forever and it shouldn't.
I have. I dont agree.
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Originally posted by Toad
So you both are saying the 109 cannot catch a Hurri on the deck and a 110 can barely catch it?
You're saying HTC's charts are wrong?
I couldn't catch any running hurricanes with a 109 and could barely catch them with a 110 yes. I don't know if i can run from them because I haven't tried but I can't outclimb them to set up a rope unless I have a significant alt advantage. even then they can easily nail you out to 800-1000 with the hissos so what's the point?
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The point is your basic assumption is incorrect.
Given a roughly equal E state when starting the race, both German planes are faster on the deck than the Hurricane.
Now, should the E situation be different, like the Hurri just dove and is carrying E, it would seem like you "can't catch" a Hurri.
But, as I said, given a generally equal E state, a Hurri will neither outrun nor out accelerate a 109 or 110.
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Am I the only one to find humor in this?
The Hurri I eats the Hurri II for lunch. Not even much of a contest, so long as you're clever enough to stay out of the way of the hizookas. Anyone who is plagued by Hurri IIs, grab a Hurri I in response. Or an FM2, for pete's sake, if you can't get kills in an FM2 you should be flying a spitfire in the MA.
If you think the FM2 is not terribly close to the Brewster Buffalo, you have at least one person in agreement. However, it's tradition in FinnRus, and it tends to work out well over time. Grab a Hurri II and head-on the FM2s until they stop bothering you.
Any Virtual Real Man should be trying a P40B, which is, without question, the lamest airplane HTC has yet invented. Wasn't there a contest about these awhile back? No P-40B aces to help out here?
And remember: all this changes soon.
- oldman
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have you tried it yet toad?
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oldmans right about the hurri I ...altho i didn`t eat any lunch i found it much more enjoyable against the hurri II...
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he sure is correct but I don't want to spend the entire week in a hurri v hurri fight which is about where this will be at until the 109G2/G6 arrive. at that point the hurriIIc won't matter but it will be in the set up every day of the whole month giving the allieds the best turning and fastest aircraft all the way through.
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True, if more pple figure that out..
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Originally posted by storch
the hurriIIc won't matter but it will be in the set up every day of the whole month giving the allieds the best turning and fastest aircraft all the way through.
This is the kind of BS statement that goes well with Moselle.
It's been proven wrong, yet you persist.
No, I didn't get any gaming time last night. RL pretty much pwns me right now. Maybe tonight.
Nonetheless and nonethemore, the Hurri IIC is NOT, repeat, NOT the "fastest aircraft".
Enjoy your moselle.
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FM-2 isn't close to a Brewster. Nor is a Hurricane IIC close to the Hurricane IIB's which the finns faced. I truly hope people here can figure out the difference between 12x.303s or 2xberezins/2xShwaks and 4 Hispanos.
Also, at least in the lower alts Brewsters were actually faster than the Hurricane Mk.II which surface quality deteoriated rather quickly in harsh front conditions. Brewsters' manufacture quality was (considering the Corsair-epsode) surprisingly good and they retained their performance very well. Granted, in the Lappland War which was fought against the germans during the spring of '45 they started to be worn out after close to FOUR years of combat flying and 1 year of peace time service. Few of them even served couple years after the war.
I don't think FM-2 is a good sub for the Brewster. I also do think that when the plane set just isn't there an RPS might not be such a good idea. But whining about the horrible unjustice which the FM-2 supposedly represents almost leaves me speechless. FM-2/Hurri2C is a very close match up.
It would be awesome to have a real Brewster in the game with Ratas and Tchaikas to fly against. Just the maneuverability of those planes would send the fan factor through the roof!
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The MOTD states the down time is 60 min. for field objects including AAA.
The AAA is down way less then that.
(http://imagehost.bizhat.com/users/6792/ack.jpg)
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Probably because strat is on. I'll fix that. :)