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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on February 18, 2006, 11:28:08 AM
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Let's make it a good one.
- oldman
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Will Pacific fighting be next?
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No, we will be testing the new Karelia terrain (for the scenario in April). http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171091
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Originally posted by Panzzer
No, we will be testing the new Karelia terrain (for the scenario in April). http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171091
would it be possible to shorten the next one?? because there aren't as many planes for the russians/ finns, and i see a kareila RPS loosing originality a little faster than an ETO one. perhaps shorten it by a week or two?
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No, we will be testing the new Karelia terrain (for the scenario in April).
That figures,get something good goin and it gets ruined.Not surprised at all.
Why don't you guys just " Test " it in the backup MA?Like they did the donut map,oh wait that makes 2 much sense.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
That figures,get something good goin and it gets ruined.Not surprised at all.
Why don't you guys just " Test " it in the backup MA?Like they did the donut map,oh wait that makes 2 much sense.
well to test it and sort any problems it needs to be played around with. in the last year the max no. of people i have seen in the backup MA is 3 lol
in AvA it will get thorough testing
but i dont like the idea of having a long RPS where the changes are in years instead of months, and i think shortening it a little will help it from becoming stale
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I would not test it for too long, as the novelty will wear off and reduce turnout in the Scenario.
I can't wait to fly Pacific.
The New Guinea-Guadacanal campaign and the Luzon-Okinawa campaign matchups will be sweet.
Looking forward to flying some Japanese stuff too.
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It's not only for testing, it's for familiarizing the people with the map.
If you take a look at the map, you'll know what I mean - no regular towns, lots of special objects etc. It takes a while for people to adjust to "think different" if I may quote an Apple slogan here. And, if I may be so bold, this is absolutely the best map in AH2. Ever.
And to add to the confusion, I think the Pac is the least popular setup here. Always no players on arena when PAC is on. At least I avoid all PAC setups like plague, since the Japanese planes are such underdogs, usually. If anyone asks me, Pac may be skipped altogether in AvA setups.
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Originally posted by Pooface
would it be possible to shorten the next one?? because there aren't as many planes for the russians/ finns, and i see a kareila RPS loosing originality a little faster than an ETO one. perhaps shorten it by a week or two?
The next setup will be for 2 weeks (only). After that, we might have a Pac scenario - sorry Wasq, but you'll have Nikis and Ki84's at some point there - not the underdogs at that point.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
sorry Wasq, but you'll have Nikis and Ki84's at some point there - not the underdogs at that point.
I did not mean the last part of the war where the Japanese planes are quite competitive. I mean the part of the war where you will be subbing ALL of the Japanese fighters with A6M2 for several years. If we don't get planes like Ki-43 we won't get a fair fight. To be honest, the AH2 planeset for Pacific is awfully lacking and I see no way to implement rolling planeset in the Pacific until more Japanese planes are added.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
That figures,get something good goin and it gets ruined.Not surprised at all.
Why don't you guys just " Test " it in the backup MA?Like they did the donut map,oh wait that makes 2 much sense.
Our current RPS ends tomorrow (sunday), what would you like us to have next? If you have a preference, please post a request in the next 2 weeks before the next setup is done... We are happy to test the new map in here, but if you want something specific to be run, please post your request in time to be considered.
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Originally posted by wasq
I did not mean the last part of the war where the Japanese planes are quite competitive. I mean the part of the war where you will be subbing ALL of the Japanese fighters with A6M2 for several years. If we don't get planes like Ki-43 we won't get a fair fight. To be honest, the AH2 planeset for Pacific is awfully lacking and I see no way to implement rolling planeset in the Pacific until more Japanese planes are added.
Uhh.. and you don't find the Russian planeset to be lacking? ;) You'll have to fly in the Pacific setups also, I'm gonna make the squad nights in the AvA compulsory. :)
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Why don't you guys just " Test " it in the backup MA?Like they did the donut map,oh wait that makes 2 much sense.
By the way, I think the Karelia is among the most expected maps, I see no reason for hostility if the AvA staff wants to present the most awaited map in a couple of years to be used for real fighting,
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By the way, I think the Karelia is among the most expected maps
Of course you think that your from Finnland Duh
The donut map was more awaited than any other recently that i have seen.
I think the Pac is the least popular setup here
Hate too differ but, a lot of people enjoy the Pacific Setup,even before they changed the name of the CT and others started showin up.On thursday nights there was plenty of us in there enjoying the pacific set up and throughout the week as well.
This new set up will bore quicker than PAcific by a mile.
IMHO
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thank you for utilizing the karelia map. I will not participate in any of the pacific war RPS unless we (JG54) voted as squad do so as allieds, if possible only when the F4Us become available.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
This new set up will bore quicker than PAcific by a mile.
IMHO
Hmm.. 2 weeks, with a new terrain - I've a hard time believing it will get old, but maybe I'm just extending my positivity...
Back to the subject: let's make this last day of this RPS a day to remember. :)
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Of course you think that your from Finnland Duh
The donut map was more awaited than any other recently that i have seen.
Hate too differ but, a lot of people enjoy the Pacific Setup,even before they changed the name of the CT and others started showin up.On thursday nights there was plenty of us in there enjoying the pacific set up and throughout the week as well.
This new set up will bore quicker than PAcific by a mile.
IMHO
I dont know, maybe you just havent seen it? I dont know how you could have missed it, but the Pac setups are some of the most whined about, most disregarded and most avoided maps we have. Not because of the maps, but because one side totally believes the Japanese planes are porked and the other side totally believes the Allied planes are.
Personally I wish they'd just switch sides shut up and fight. Ah well.
Seriously though, people seem to hate the Pac maps for some reason. The negativity twins here arent alone.
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As to the map thats current, today saw some of the best fights I've seen in there in awhile. I'm still rusty as heck and the squirrely 109 gives me a good excuse to lose too, but it was alot of fun. :)
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
As to the map thats current, today saw some of the best fights I've seen in there in awhile. I'm still rusty as heck and the squirrely 109 gives me a good excuse to lose too, but it was alot of fun. :)
Just the kind of feedback we need here. :) Why do all the people whine about petty details, when they have better fights than "almost ever in the MA"... Oh well, I guess it is too much to expect to have positive feedback in here (and I haven't done anything lately, the rest of the staff should get the positive feedback). ;)
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but the Pac setups are some of the most whined about
we havn't had the pac set up in a RPS yet either,so how can everybody be for certain it will suck?
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i flew on the new map in the SEA, and it was the best looking terrain i have seen since the one Fester made with authentic fields(that was later changed back to normal). look forward to seeing that setup.
~S~
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
we havn't had the pac set up in a RPS yet either,so how can everybody be for certain it will suck?
Actually they HAVE done RPS on a PTO map. Right after the Ki-84 came out they tried it (and RPS is not a new thing, its been tried several times in the past). The thing that made THIS RPS work, IMO, is first off they stretched it out long enough that folks really got a good taste of each "era" of the war. Secondly, we had enough numbers start showing up that it made the RPS more workable. Spit I's vs 109s gets real old when there's only 3 or 4 of ya on each side and you have to fly across the channel. Might as well go to the DA, shorter distance to the furball there.
I'm GLAD the RPS is working, and I hope it becomes a mainstay of the AvA arena. I flew alot in the AvA arena in Air Warrior, and always enjoyed it. As we get more planes in the japanese planeset, the PTO will really come into its own. Heck, just having a Betty and a Ki-43 would help immensely. But anyway, I digress. The point of this is, this has been done before and its failed before (although I have to say the RPS they did when the Ki-84 came out was probably the most popular PTO setup we've had in a long time, so maybe if the numbers continue this one will exceed that mark). Only with everyone continuing to work together and keep the ball rolling will this succeed.
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And just for the record, I'm really looking forward to trying the new map. Its been awhile since we got to try a new one, and this one sounds great. We've been BEGGING for more realistic maps, we need to give this one a chance. :)
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I think the best way to incorporate the IJ planes into a RPS at this current stage in the planeset is by using an Axis versus Allies setup, utilizing all planes being added over a timeline, not having it Theater specific. Although it strays from the historical type setup it may still be interesting to see how the planes stack up against each other. Possibly using a neutral style map, not historical, with the emphasize being made on game-play.
Just an idea..:)
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Originally posted by TheBug
Just an idea..:)
And a good one.
One thing I don't see is how is the Ki-43 is going to save the PTO planeset. Yeah it's got a little more manuverability over the A6M2 but thats it. The Ki-43 has nothing for fire power , and burns every bit as bright as an A6M2.:confused:
Plus if the Finns can have a FM2 for a Buffalo , why can't the BF-110 substitute for the KI-45?
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Although I agree with you about the Ki-43 and feel that the A6m2 would do more than it's share representing, performance wise, the entire IJ fighter force of the early war years(historically speaking). It is the lack of diversity that I think would come from a PTO RPS, that would cause for player's lack of enthusiasm.
But I am only mentioning that in the name of constructive criticism. I personally would enjoy a PTO RPS even with the planeset we have and utilizing a small amount of subbing. But I am suspicious of the number it would generate, but it may be worth a try. That's a tough one.
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Originally posted by Shifty
And a good one.
One thing I don't see is how is the Ki-43 is going to save the PTO planeset. Yeah it's got a little more manuverability over the A6M2 but thats it. The Ki-43 has nothing for fire power , and burns every bit as bright as an A6M2.:confused:
Plus if the Finns can have a FM2 for a Buffalo , why can't the BF-110 substitute for the KI-45?
I agree but it would add a little more variety as it burns slower and prettier, the addition of the Ki45 would go a long way to adding dimension to the planeset, for many of us anyway.
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Originally posted by storch
I agree but it would add a little more variety as it burns slower and prettier, the addition of the Ki45 would go a long way to adding dimension to the planeset, for many of us anyway.
Yeah if there are subs allowed for one setup, there should be subs allowed for others with a limited plane set to choose from. We could also figure out something to represent the Ki-44 , and J2M , to fill in a few other gaps.
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Substitutes (skinning some plane to another) are technical possible. Those special skins are coming always with the current terrain. For ex. I am going to update Okinawa later in this spring and I can add there specific Okinawa skins to some planes.
We can plan this more with the AvA Stuff, but give me wishes what planes you want to the Okinawa. But remeber that the aircrafts must resemble each other and their performance characteristics must be about the same.
I need also profile pictures and photos from those planes which you want there. Then I should ask from Greebo very politely if he can do those skins to the map's update!;)