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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hajo on February 18, 2006, 09:14:07 PM
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Tank Town and Fighter Town are designed into maps so that those who wish to have a short flight or drive to some good furballing can do so in relative peace. They both are fun for quick action and gets all three countries involved.
I personally never play in Tank Town because I'm even more horrible in a GV then I am when I'm in a fighter.
I rarely fly in Fighter Town also. But a great deal of the Aces High Community use these two venues when they are available on the Map. They were requested by the Community so quick action on the ground or in the air would be possible without worrying about strat etc.
IMHO.....anyone destroying and taking bases in either of these venues is taking away what the AH Community wanted! HTC was nice enough to give us these two mini maps in a map for reasons stated above! Please Gents and Ladies let the people who use these two areas of the Map have fun! Let them alone! They aren't involved in base taking on the Map, they aren't milkrunning and divebombing someone elses base. If say GVs destroyed and took another vehicle base from within Tank Town I feel that's part of the game. But coming from three sectors away and using divebombing Lancs to disrupt them just because you can is childish! Let them enjoy what they pay for. Let the FT Bases alone also. Let them have fun.
Again.....just MHO.
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Ditto:)
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Hajo speaks the truth.
It's just griefers causing trouble in both cases.
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Well said sir
I would think it cool if Tanks couldnt Spawn into or out of Trinity Tank valley too.:aok
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Let the FT Bases alone also. Let them have fun.
What if someone's idea of fun is doing just what you described?
Maybe they get off on hearing people complain?
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
What if someone's idea of fun is doing just what you described?
Maybe they get off on hearing people complain?
Then those players would be stunninghunks.
ack-ack
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Hrm... Bish repeatedly steal tank town fields and fighter town fields, no posts. Then BISH lose *1* TT v-field (they still have another, to re-take it) and we get a post on the forums...
Hrm.....
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Krusty. This subject has been brought up from all sides several times in the past.
I can remember about 3 months ago when Rook or Knight (Can't remember which one) captured the entire TT on Trinity twice in one running of the map. It wasn't strategic or even close to a reset, they just though it was funny listening to all the crying on CH200. It doesn’t change the fact that it is rather childish for others to intentionally carry out such acts simply ruin what other's consider to be their idea of fun. Of course we can expect the generic "Its just a game" outa someone just to pick at the scab. Would you like to be the first while your busy making NO point? :rolleyes:
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You vulch FT i'll bomb ord deack with bombs your base. You spawn tiger TT cap our spawns i'll bring bombs. you bomb me tt i'll bomb your country
just like fighter town When bish and rooks losing fight they send deackers to base and just start vulch. I'd rather see capture then weak kill ack vulch then brag about vulch kills on 200.
lastly you'll never get entire arena to play 1 way, Ask Dale he knows he's tried........................ ............
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Originally posted by Hajo
....to disrupt them just because you can is childish!
You have "children" of all ages playing the game. It will NEVER stop, period.
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Someone today in MA siad-50k walls around TT
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Last time we had donut, I lost count after 20 boxes of buffs sent to the rook base within the 1st hour I was in the FT in donut. Gets really annoying when a buff pilot thinks he is doing good by bombing in FT. I will watch the enemy kill my own buffs and refuse to help them as I am strongly against having ord in FT. If it is between an enemy plane or a enemy buff to kill first I will go after the buffs as they will try to kill a base's FHs.
I know most fighter pilots that fly in FT feel this was and pretty much leave someone attacking buffs alone so they can kill the buffs so they dont ruin fights in FT.
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Whoa..there is a fightertown now in MA? Is this all maps?
Nice going :)
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Bravo Hajo!!
HTC put this or an abbreviated version in the MOTD in the MA! Add FT and TT on every map and the grief that rips through your community will go away over night.
I know most fighter pilots that fly in FT feel this was and pretty much leave someone attacking buffs alone so they can kill the buffs so they dont ruin fights in FT.
Absolutely!! I always give free passage to guys attacking bombers in FT. It's too bad they have to do that crap rather than fight.
I think Vulching is in FT is even worse. It shows who the lamers are for sure. If people would wait in the middle the fight will eventually return. If you vulch it wont.
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I actually enjoy taking bombers up in FT.....good for gunnery practice.
FT and TT same thing different style. - FT style - deack, runway run and vulch - run home -land kills. TT style - spawn camp - deack - hanger camp.
Taking a FT base / TT is alot of fun - more challenge because theres more defenders.... I'd rather try to organize something to take a large well defended area than go sneaking off noe to milkrun an undefended base.
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ahh that was your bish buff mission that took ftr twn last huh waffle? I noticed not an ounce of defence was put it in as the knights vulched your 2 ftr town bases for 3 hours afterwards...but what the heck there's other fun to be ruined elsewhere....
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Taking a FT base / TT is alot of fun - more challenge because theres more defenders.... I'd rather try to organize something to take a large well defended area than go sneaking off noe to milkrun an undefended base.
What the hell is the point in taking an FT base? you people go for the undefended bases all day long every day... with your mass BoP 60+ plane Jabo missions. And that is a challenge? When all you give a watermelon about is winning the war, one would think that you people would want the "deffenders" off doing something else at another base while you base grabbers have a free run of other bases that aren't being deffended. I know this is how you operate because I've flown in some of your missions to see just what the hell it is that turns you on with upping in masses and overpowering a base with bombs and suiciders.
There's no point in taking any bases in FT other than to piss people off and ruin what fun others are having. While you can go sling bombs at other bases outside of FT, you choose to throw them around in FT thinking that you'll have more participation and support if no one can furball.
Chumps...
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I know HT has said there can be no "uncapturable bases" on a map. I know there are no "indestructible" FH's or VH's.
Seems to me though that a little programming effort towards those two items AND the inclusion of a TT AND and FT on all maps would make EVERYONE pretty happy.
Just make it so that TT and FT bases DO NOT count towards reset and don't include VH's in FT just like there are no airfields in TT. The high walls should keep out the vehicles in FT.
The players seeking the all expense paid Hawaiian vacation that they get when their team "wins" the reset would be happy.
The "practice bombers" would be happy. They could practice all they like without hurting either TT or FT.
The FT and TT players would be happy because they could do what they like to do without the interference of the griefers.
No more crying on the BBS either.
Win/Win/Win/Win
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Originally posted by duh
Someone today in MA siad-50k walls around TT
Was probably me. I said 50K mountain range around TT and NO Spawn in or out of GV's. This would make for a true tank town. Two replies already to this thread display the kind of disruptive behavior we are talking about. We actually only have one Potentially TRUE tank town on all the maps. That would be the center of Trinity. Its actually not a true "TANK ONLY" battle because of the reasons mentioned above. The Equinox map wouldn’t really qualify because of the Air Bases and the Port's attached to the middle Triangle Island. Same goes for OZkansas.
I wonder if a Map builder has ever submitted a Map with a truly Fighter only and Tank only accessible sections on it?
If so were they rejected by HTC?
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I for one enjoy both venues, and I to would like to see the B. S. stop in respects to those areas. They are their for a reason. But I do have to admit, it is fun taking 15 boxes of bombers to fighter town and drop the whole stick at once in the lake and watch everybody disco.:t :D
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Originally posted by Morpheus
There's no point in taking any bases in FT other than to piss people off and ruin what fun others are having.
But what if I enjoy organizing a mission to take a FT base? What if the participants in the mission enjoy it?
If you want a FT where no one vulches / no one bombs / no one trys to take the base - gather up your cronies and head to an arena that you can police - like the DA. I think thats what that's there for.
FT and TT are real estate in the MA.. real estate is meant to be taken. If on the map with FT, if one side was getting close to being reset - they would be smart to take the 3 FT bases, as those would be the 3 hardest bases to capture - 3 easiset to defend.
FWIW - I'm not in a squad...so you "bop" rant and "play my way "drivel doesn't hold water in your previous post.
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Obviously HTC wants it that way or there wouldn't be GV spawns into ( & out of ) TT & FT & there would be mountains too high to fly over & no ord available in TT etc. It would be a simple matter to make TT & FT un-spoiled. Heck, why not just make a whole Fighters only arena & GV only arena & just do away with the DA?
I want Parker Brothers to add the Corsair piece to the monopoly board & make it able to shoot the renters currently in the space. I would like that. Also I'd like to have the challenger tank added to risk so I can keep Asia & Europe easier. Ummmm, one more thing....please let me take the submarine off the battleship board to simulate it being underwater.:lol
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Originally posted by Toad
I know HT has said there can be no "uncapturable bases" on a map. I know there are no "indestructible" FH's or VH's.
Seems to me though that a little programming effort towards those two items AND the inclusion of a TT AND and FT on all maps would make EVERYONE pretty happy.
Just make it so that TT and FT bases DO NOT count towards reset and don't include VH's in FT just like there are no airfields in TT. The high walls should keep out the vehicles in FT.
The players seeking the all expense paid Hawaiian vacation that they get when their team "wins" the reset would be happy.
The "practice bombers" would be happy. They could practice all they like without hurting either TT or FT.
The FT and TT players would be happy because they could do what they like to do without the interference of the griefers.
No more crying on the BBS either.
Win/Win/Win/Win
Sounds like a plan to me ;)
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
But what if I enjoy organizing a mission to take a FT base? What if the participants in the mission enjoy it?
How some enjoy a ridiculously over powering mission where you drop all hangers, bomb the living hell out of any and everything you find is something I will never understand. What fun is that? Is there really anything gained out of "winning the war"? That seems to be all you people play for.
What is so satisfying about rolling into a base 50-60 strong and bombing the hangers and town? Then orbiting around waiting for the goon or a hanger to pop up so you can get your vulch on. Honestly, that's all you people care about? What is so great about winning this "war"? Care to explain that to me? With something other than the standard... "its my 15 bucks". You cant even begin to use the word "team work" in your explaination... That just doesnt wash. I've seen your missions. And its anything but a team work oriented affair. Rather it's, you 10 bomb this quarter of the field, you 10 bomb this quarter and so on... Until the base is nuked. And whoever hasnt augered dropping bombs can orbit until a goon arives/vulch.
Its just sad that so many new players are taken in by the easy mode drop bombs on anything that moves in the MA and not by actual fighting in fighters... Taken in by the newb squads like the Bops.
If you want a FT where no one vulches / no one bombs / no one trys to take the base - gather up your cronies and head to an arena that you can police - like the DA. I think thats what that's there for.
Who are you to say what the MA is and isn't for? FT is for fighting. Simple as that. It was put there so players who dont give a rats bellybutton about taking "real estate" as you put it, can have a place to fight. I'm not saying you can't take bases and horde your undefended enemy fields... I'm simply saying leave the FT bases out of your little war. Esecially on a map that is very unlikely to be reset in the first place...
FWIW - I'm not in a squad...so you "bop" rant and "play my way "drivel doesn't hold water in your previous post.
Oh my mistake... You just fly with them as a bomb carrying drone in their horde.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
But what if I enjoy organizing a mission to take a FT base? What if the participants in the mission enjoy it?
And why is it that you so enjoy the taking of said bases?
Originally posted by Waffle BAS
If you want a FT where no one vulches / no one bombs / no one trys to take the base - gather up your cronies and head to an arena that you can police - like the DA. I think thats what that's there for.
First of all Morph might have a struggle with this one. Seeing how he pointed his finger to the DA when someone suggested a FT arena.
AH2 Has a Fighter Only Arena? (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=119757&referrerid=7566) He was adamantly opposed to the idea. But it was probably because I was suggesting a separate arena. Or perhaps because MugZ was suggesting anything at all :D.
Secondly and most importantly, No the DA isn’t for what you are suggesting it is for. Doesn’t the word's "Dueling and Arena" mean anything to you? How can it be construed with anything other than a 1v1 Arena? Yes yes..i know what others have evolved it into. But then again isn’t it the same mentality that has evolved the DA into a FFA that is at work here on this subject?
The problem with suggesting that the furball move to the DA is that some are in the DA to do exactly what it was designed for, while other's are there to disrupt their fun, the same as you are describing here in the MA. Why not just admit that you are a griefer and be done with it? Instead you try to give philosophical reasons that are so transparent Ray Charles could see through them.
Originally posted by Waffle BAS
FT and TT are real estate in the MA.. real estate is meant to be taken. If on the map with FT, if one side was getting close to being reset - they would be smart to take the 3 FT bases, as those would be the 3 hardest bases to capture - 3 easiset to defend. .
Are you so sure about that?
First, what makes you think that those bases are the hardest to capture? It would be as simple as having 6 boxes of B24s level all Fhs at both NME fields in Donut FT, announce the Vulch Fest to fighters in the area and the rest is history. NME supporting bases are too far away get fighter defense back in time. This is true on both Trinity and Equinox. Even an average organized mission to a FT would be an easy take.
Secondly.
Wouldn’t this move those NME fighters to the main front to kick our Butts? Seeing as how you have removed them from their occupying interest as well as peed them off. I see a problem with your strategic thinking.
Originally posted by Waffle BAS
FWIW - I'm not in a squad...so you "bop" rant and "play my way "drivel doesn't hold water in your previous post.
Has nothing to do with Bop or any other Squad or hoard. Last night the Rooks NOEd 4 bish bases…We took 3 of them them back Above Dar and IN their Face. Meanwhile Nits were having a Stealth fest of their own on Bishop land North on Trinity till they got a Foothold on our Land there. Nits Rooks and Bish all do the same stuff and finger point to the other equally.
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Nah, the problem here is that if TT or FT are in a seperate arena, they cant get on 200 and talk all their crap.....
Unfortunatly too many people would rather run their mouth on 200 then play a game...
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Why not just admit that you are a griefer and be done with it? Instead you try to give philosophical reasons that are so transparent Ray Charles could see through them.
I have a problem with that line there...
I like flying bombers in fighter fighter town regulary. You might find me in an a20, an il2...b24s...
I get good gunnery practice and regulary land 4-6 kills per sorty in FT in 24s...lol - That's just leaving bombs on the runway and flying up the middle.
If one side resorts to a mass vulch regulary, like the rooks were - well.. the vulchers should expect to have the tables turned on them and not whine about it. So who were the griefers? the 40 rooks vulching, and not letting planes up at FT? or am I for organizing something that shut the rooks down? That was fun....I'm sure as much fun or better than the vulchers had.
But to make assumptions and call me a "greifer" in game lingo...that's funny. I guess by that logic - I could call all of you "griefers" for not wanting allowing bombers in that 3 base area.
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First of all Morph might have a struggle with this one. Seeing how he pointed his finger to the DA when someone suggested a FT arena.
I'm confused. Forgive me, as I am sick as a dog right now and my brain is not in full fuctioning mode... Maybe you just mistakenly worded the above statement wrong?
DA and FT arena are way different. I've always said that.
Edit: AH, I see what you're trying get at. Im sorry but that's two seperate issues.
One is to make an arena, ie kick the furballers out of the MA so the tool sheders have free rein over their undefended real estate.
Waffle saying "take it to the DA" is no different in the sense that he is saying if you dont want to play by my way and think my style of game play is no fun, which involves wrecking others fun, then get the hell out. When all the furballers are asking is that these bomb toting drones leave the three bases that are meant to be used to fight from alone, until there is no others left to be taken but those bases.
Taking them to win the war is a crock of chit. You dont need to take those bases to win a reset. You could leave all of them alone and 100% intact and one side could still win a reset.
The point I'm made in your little thread Mugz, is that there is no reason to make another arena just because the land grabbers have this fetish of taking bases in FT. There's no reason, nor good excuse to roll a horde up into FT and take control of it. This bullchit of "its all about winning the war" doesnt wash either. If that's all this game has become, "winning the war" then I want no part of it. There is no fight involved in that.
Chasing Runstangs loaded up with bombs back to my base only to have them auger into fighter hangers is not what I would call a "good fight". Which is why deffending bases is boring as hell. You're deffending against guys who can't fight for chit, and only want to get their eggs off onto some hanger. The only challenge in that is seeing how many you can kill in 60 seconds or less before they all auger and die.
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Has anyone seen a ruling by HT on this??? (maybe I missed it)
Has he come out and said, That the areas the players are calling "Fighter town" just that... "Fightertown"??? I for one would like to see FT in it's own Arena. FT never worked in the MA in AW and isn't working here...
Without a ruling by HT or FT moved to it own Arena this BS is never going to stop. Right now the only thing we have is on the AH web site about game play..... And that has the MA as a "Capturing territory" arena. And it does not say anything about a FT or that any bases are offlimits to capture.
CAVALRY
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If one side resorts to a mass vulch regulary, like the rooks were - well.. the vulchers should expect to have the tables turned on them and not whine about it. So who were the griefers? the 40 rooks vulching, and not letting planes up at FT? or am I for organizing something that shut the rooks down? That was fun....I'm sure as much fun or better than the vulchers had.
Vulchers and People the bomb FHrs in FT are both Aholes. If the shoe fits..
Cav FT arena is only good as a last option. The MA is the gathering point. It all happens there or it doesn't happen. Griefers are aholes and just like RL they are everywhere.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Obviously HTC wants it that way or there wouldn't be GV spawns into ( & out of ) TT & FT & there would be mountains too high to fly over & no ord available in TT etc. It would be a simple matter to make TT & FT un-spoiled. Heck, why not just make a whole Fighters only arena & GV only arena & just do away with the DA?
Actually The maps that have the so called FT and TTs are not made by HTC, instead they are made by very talented members of the community on a voluntary basis. As for a Map design having an un-disturbed FT or TT area on it, im not sure if any such map for the MA has ever been submitted for approval.
Any map makers care to respond?
I am very much for having a Tank only and a Fighter Town Arena. But i think its a costly decision that might not pan out for HTC.
Will it draw more clientele?
Will it draw any clients to HTC that wouldn’t otherwise be drawn with the current venues available already?
Will it Stop clientele from canceling their accounts?
These kinds of questions have to be weighed upon and answered by a marketing strategist before the money is spent to increase the bandwidth required for said arena's.
I would guess the answers would be…
1. No
2. Probably not.
3. No
So the answer is simple to me. Adjust the current Arenas to accommodate the request of the current Clientele to keep them happy and having “Fun” as this is the Key to continued success. I personally am on the fence at this present time as far as canceling my account. The only thing that stops me from doing so is the Squad I belong to.
Not a threat…just a realization that I am not having fun anymore for many reasons, with this issue being one of them. and my disposition really is out of place when it comes to tolerating such nonsense.
I have been playing AH for about 5.5 years now and the Griefers are at an ALL TIME HIGH in AH.
Morpheus doesn’t understand why anyone would find winning the war fun. I don’t understand why anyone would find losing the war a hoot either. These are personal preferences and philosophies. WaffleBAS finds going out of his way to capture 2 particular bases in the middle of a map out of a possible 168 (trinity) 146 (Donut) NME bases to be “FUN”. (I question his motives). The Maps could easily be revamped to keep all three happy and having fun.
I know it must feel like a pain for HTC to always be adjusting things to keep the Clientele happy. But I know it is also essential to keep the customers paying and playing.
Just some thoughts.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
But what if I enjoy organizing a mission to take a FT base? What if the participants in the mission enjoy it?
If you want a FT where no one vulches / no one bombs / no one trys to take the base - gather up your cronies and head to an arena that you can police - like the DA. I think thats what that's there for.
FT and TT are real estate in the MA.. real estate is meant to be taken. If on the map with FT, if one side was getting close to being reset - they would be smart to take the 3 FT bases, as those would be the 3 hardest bases to capture - 3 easiset to defend.
FWIW - I'm not in a squad...so you "bop" rant and "play my way "drivel doesn't hold water in your previous post.
Waffle, for someone who's been around for awhile you sure are acting childish. FT and TT where meant to be a place for those who don't care about the land grab. That's why HTC included them into the rotation. To give folks a place to go to have some mindless fun. Your justification of "well what about people who like organized missions to take it" has no merit either. Basically you're saying the 60 or less players are justified to ruin the fun of 100s? As for going to the DA, why can't you just mature a little bit and realize(as I'm sure you already do) that FT/TT are meant to be left alone for their intended purpose? I can understand noobs and the younger players doing this(I'm assuming you are over 15) but to see a "grown up" who's been around and knows the rope intentionally do this is just sad.
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Cav FT arena is only good as a last option. The MA is the gathering point. It all happens there or it doesn't happen.
It worked very well in AW. If you was looking for a place to furball it was here, with player who was looking just to fight too and didn't get in the way of gameplay in the MA.
The thing that surprized many in AW was that for all their posting in the forums.... :furious jumping up & down about furballing :furious . It turned out there just wasn't very many true furballer only types. But the FT arena did have a good following of about 10-20 players most nights.
CAVALRY
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I'm confused. Forgive me, as I am sick as a dog right now and my brain is not in full fuctioning mode... Maybe you just mistakenly worded the above statement wrong?
DA and FT arena are way different. I've always said that.
Edit: AH, I see what you're trying get at. Im sorry but that's two seperate issues.
One is to make an arena, ie kick the furballers out of the MA so the tool sheders have free rein over their undefended real estate.
Waffle saying "take it to the DA" is no different in the sense that he is saying if you dont want to play by my way and think my style of game play is no fun, which involves wrecking others fun, then get the hell out. When all the furballers are asking is that these bomb toting drones leave the three bases that are meant to be used to fight from alone, until there is no others left to be taken but those bases.
Taking them to win the war is a crock of chit. You dont need to take those bases to win a reset. You could leave all of them alone and 100% intact and one side could still win a reset.
The point I'm made in your little thread Mugz, is that there is no reason to make another arena just because the land grabber have this fetish of taking bases in FT. There's no reason, nor good excuse to roll a horde up into FT and take control of it. This bullchit of "its all about winning the war" doesnt wash either. If that's all this game has become, "winning the war" then I want no part of it. There is no fight involved in that.
Chasing Runstangs loaded up with bombs back to my base only to have them auger into fighter hangers is not what I would call a "good fight". Which is why deffending bases is boring as hell. You're deffending against guys who can't fight for chit, and only want to get their eggs off onto some hanger. The only challenge in that is seeing how many you can kill in a 60 seconds or less before they all auger and die.
Well it wasn’t my intention to kick “Furballers" out of the MA. It was only to give them a place to do what they are currently doing on the Donut map without being disrupted. And in turn stop them from finger pointing the Land Grabbers as taking away their fun. I didn’t do a very good job of making that clear. But im sure you could see that was my intent if you actually wanted to. Lets not confuse “Furballer’s” with “MA Fighter defense”.
PS..i do realize that my translation was skewed in the “little thread” That was my own fault. But by the end of the thread I think my intention was clear to most everyone.
And it is most certain the you were indeed opposed to the idea.
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Originally posted by CAV
It worked very well in AW. If you was looking for a place to furball it was here, with player who was looking just to fight too and didn't get in the way of gameplay in the MA.
The thing that surprized many in AW was that for all their posting in the forums.... :furious jumping up & down about furballing :furious . It turned out there just wasn't very many true furballer only types. But the FT arena did have a good following of about 10-20 players most nights.
CAVALRY
Which is all the more reason to incorporate a TT and FT in every MA map that can't be disrupted by the Winning the war system. This keeps everybody in one arena. And caters the request of many.
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I gotta admit waffle, you're fighting a losing battle here, and making yourself appear to be a childish griefer.
would it help if we asked very nicely for you to stop these activities?
I geuss we should all get together (the FT bunch) and run over the whole map in lalas taking down ord. but then i geuss we'd be as bad as people who capture FT bases. i dont want to spoil the fun of the many decent bomber and jabo fellows out there.
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Originally posted by Toad
I know HT has said there can be no "uncapturable bases" on a map. I know there are no "indestructible" FH's or VH's.
Seems to me though that a little programming effort towards those two items AND the inclusion of a TT AND and FT on all maps would make EVERYONE pretty happy.
Just make it so that TT and FT bases DO NOT count towards reset and don't include VH's in FT just like there are no airfields in TT. The high walls should keep out the vehicles in FT.
The players seeking the all expense paid Hawaiian vacation that they get when their team "wins" the reset would be happy.
The "practice bombers" would be happy. They could practice all they like without hurting either TT or FT.
The FT and TT players would be happy because they could do what they like to do without the interference of the griefers.
No more crying on the BBS either.
Win/Win/Win/Win
Toad. This is a very easily to accomplished with what we have already.
First a simple revamp of Donut and Trinity maps. Increase the mountain range around those sections the Map to 50 or even 60K. I have limited experience with the terrain editor and even i could do this in about an hour or so.
On Donut: Disable the Bombers at A94, A167 and A21 via the Arena setting's CP. This would disable the C47's causing those three bases to be uncapturable. This is a saved setting per Map and wont effect the same base numbers on other maps. :) You couldn’t disable the GVs on Donut FT because from time to time you would need anti vulching tools. i.e., Osties (I don’t think you can change the AAA settings at individual bases in AH2. So that isn't an option)
Trinity: Remove into and Out of spawn points from TT. Of course the bases in TT on Trinity would still be capturable via Gvs in said scenario by bases within the TT. But at least the griefers wouldn’t be able to fly in there in Fighter's JABOS or Bombers just to break up the GV battles. It would bee a Tank Town thru and thru. I have been in some great tank battles in TT of trinity with 15 to 20 players from each country when suddenly a friendly bomber shows up and takes out a bunch of the NME Gvs. Next thing you know the battle dreis up :(
The only thing left to do is Adjust the Number of fields required for reset.
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Which is all the more reason to incorporate a TT and FT in every MA map that can't be disrupted by the Winning the war system. This keeps everybody in one arena. And caters the request of many.
Why is all players in one arena a great thing? We have that now, is it working?
It may work if.... We put FT/TT not in the center of the map. But put the bloody thing way off to one side, not in the way of the players trying to "win the reset war", or what ever it is we are trying to win in the MA. :lol
CAVALRY
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
I have a problem with that line there...
I like flying bombers in fighter fighter town regulary. You might find me in an a20, an il2...b24s...
I get good gunnery practice and regulary land 4-6 kills per sorty in FT in 24s...lol - That's just leaving bombs on the runway and flying up the middle.
If one side resorts to a mass vulch regulary, like the rooks were - well.. the vulchers should expect to have the tables turned on them and not whine about it. So who were the griefers? the 40 rooks vulching, and not letting planes up at FT? or am I for organizing something that shut the rooks down? That was fun....I'm sure as much fun or better than the vulchers had.
But to make assumptions and call me a "greifer" in game lingo...that's funny. I guess by that logic - I could call all of you "griefers" for not wanting allowing bombers in that 3 base area.
But with so many bases and areas to chose from...why those 3 bases? Don’t tell me you can’t find enough targets to practice on outside of that 25 mile radius of the map. Its simple to find the practice you desire outside of that area. Just fly your buffs at 3 to 4K towards the Hoard you will find plenty to shoot at. I have re-evaluated my opinion as to your disposition in the MA. And I will retract my statement as to your role in the MA.
I will chalk it up to your not seeing how your practice has been affecting the others.
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Originally posted by CAV
Why is all players in one arena a great thing? We have that now, is it working?
It may work if.... We put FT/TT not in the center of the map. But put the bloody thing way off to one side, not in the way of the players trying to "win the reset war", or what ever it is we are trying to win in the MA. :lol
CAVALRY
Well sir... It isn’t that I think it’s so great. It is that I think HTC is going to be careful how they spend their money on bandwidth and resources. I was once in favor of a separate Arena. (See this thread) (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=119757&referrerid=7566) But with time and discussion I think that arena could actually be an arena within an arena and thereby maybe saving HTC some time, money and resources.
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But with so many bases and areas to chose from...why those 3 bases? Don’t tell me you can’t find enough targets to practice on outside of that 25 mile radius of the map.
Its simple Mugz, because they have a fetish in taking those bases... They are upset because not everyone is participating in the war effort. So they think that if they take the FT bases, the guys who were fighting up in FT will be forced out and forced to go fight in their on going battle of winning the war.
The excuse of taking those bases; like I said before, to win the war is a load of crap. They can be left alone, not taken, and any of the three sides who has a base in FT can still be reset. The only intent they have in taking them is to piss people off. To piss off the guys who dont give a rats bellybutton about fighting their war and taking "real estate".
PS- Am I the only one seeing this "Don’t tell me you can’t" funky text from mugz?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Its simple Mugz, because they have a fetish in taking those bases... They are upset because not everyone is participating in the war effort. So they think that if they take the FT bases, the guys who were fighting up in FT will be forced out and forced to go fight in their on going battle of winning the war.
The excuse of taking those bases; like I said before, to win the war is a load of crap. They can be left alone, not taken, and any of the three sides who has a base in FT can still be reset. The only intent they have in taking them is to piss people off. To piss off the guys who dont give a rats bellybutton about fighting their war and taking "real estate".
PS- Am I the only one seeing this "Don’t tell me you can’t" funky text from mugz?
We are in total agreement here Morph. But you say it so much better :D
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I'm seeing it too Morph.
Oh and Waffle, you don't troll as well as you used to.
:aok
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i'm getting funky text too.
i'm uite jealous infact, how do i get that chit?
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Good, i thought my PC was PWNED by some virus. :eek:
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
But what if I enjoy organizing a mission to take a FT base? What if the participants in the mission enjoy it?
If you want a FT where no one vulches / no one bombs / no one trys to take the base - gather up your cronies and head to an arena that you can police - like the DA. I think thats what that's there for.
FT and TT are real estate in the MA.. real estate is meant to be taken. If on the map with FT, if one side was getting close to being reset - they would be smart to take the 3 FT bases, as those would be the 3 hardest bases to capture - 3 easiset to defend.
FWIW - I'm not in a squad...so you "bop" rant and "play my way "drivel doesn't hold water in your previous post.
You know quite well the only reason you and the likeminded do this kind of crap is to piss off the folks enjoying it. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
This bullchit of "its all about winning the war" doesnt wash either. If that's all this game has become, "winning the war" then I want no part of it. There is no fight involved in that.
Sir...i have been here for 5 and a Half years and the Game has always been about winning the war for the largest percentile of the player base. Its simply the inherent component that HTC incorporated into the game. The game hasn’t changed in that respect...you have. Not that you are wrong for it. Its just the direction you have gone. And i say bully to ya because it is about having fun for each player's style. Keeping the balance isn’t easy, but its far from impossible. Now lets get that un-interruptible FT and TT pushed through Congress.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i'm getting funky text too.
i'm uite jealous infact, how do i get that chit?
???:huh :huh
I just started using Mozilla Firefox recently at the suggestion of some of the AH community. Is it the problem? Im not seeing anything funky.:confused:
woah...I just opened the BBS in MS IE and i see what yous are talking about. Does anyone know how i can fix it in Mozilla FireFox?
PS i typing in MS Word so i can see full page. Hate the little BBS text window.
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Oh yeah...so now yall are gona leave me hangin on the Funky text issue:furious
HELP!!!! :lol
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Has anyone seen a ruling by HT on this??? (maybe I missed it)
Back to where I started....
I have been doing searchs, but no luck.
Has anyone seen HT say he wants bases (FT/TT) off limits to capture in the MA?
CAVALRY
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Sir...i have been here for 5 and a Half years and the Game has always been about winning the war for the largest percentile of the player base. Its simply the inherent component that HTC incorporated into the game. The game hasn’t changed in that respect...you have. Not that you are wrong for it. Its just the direction you have gone. And i say bully to ya because it is about having fun for each player's style. Keeping the balance isn’t easy, but its far from impossible. Now lets get that un-interruptible FT and TT pushed through Congress.
Absolutely right MugZ. The thing is that back, not so long ago... before AH1 died, there was more fighting going on... There have always been hordes, and people taking bases, GVer's ect... But there seems to be a whole helluva lot less fighting going on. For that reason I just don't log in at all anymore. I dont want to "find" a fight. It should be there... In places like FT...
There is no ballance in the MA now. There hasnt been for quite some time. And like mars pointed out, the MA is where its at. No one wants to log into some speical arena just because they have to in order to find a fight.
The game is not about winning the war... Its about having fun. Everyone should be able to have their own kind of fun... If they cant because of another crowd wrecking it then why play it? And if the toolshed drones like it or not, they can very easily wreck the fun/fight for those fighting... While the ones fighting and only wanting to fight, could care less about getting in their way of winning the war. As I said before, if you want to bomb my base to hell and back outside of FT fine. That's no holds barred... If you want to come into FT and kill that fight too, just because you like to piss people off, then you're just a jerk.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Absolutely right MugZ. The thing is that back, not so long ago... before AH1 died, there was more fighting going on... There have always been hordes, and people taking bases, GVer's ect... But there seems to be a whole helluva lot less fighting going on. For that reason I just don't log in at all anymore. I dont want to "find" a fight. It should be there... In places like FT...
There is no ballance in the MA now. There hasnt been for quite some time. And like mars pointed out, the MA is where its at. No one wants to log into some speical arena just because they have to in order to find a fight.
The game is not about winning the war... Its about having fun. Everyone should be able to have their own kind of fun... If they cant because of another crowd wrecking it then why play it? And if the toolshed drones like it or not, they can very easily wreck the fun/fight for those fighting... While the ones fighting and only wanting to fight, could care less about getting in their way of winning the war. As I said before, if you want to bomb my base to hell and back outside of FT fine. That's no holds barred... If you want to come into FT and kill that fight too, just because you like to piss people off, then you're just a jerk.
yeah so? What about my Funky Text!!:rofl
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Oh yeah...so now yall are gona leave me hangin on the Funky text issue:furious
HELP!!!! :lol
Yeah .. but your "funky" text fits right in with your "funky" smell ... so don't worry about it.
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Originally posted by CAV
Back to where I started....
I have been doing searchs, but no luck.
Has anyone seen HT say he wants bases (FT/TT) off limits to capture in the MA?
CAVALRY
Not in my recollection.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Yeah .. but your "funky" text fits right in with your "funky" smell ... so don't worry about it.
Well if you wouldnt sleep so close to me at night i might smell better:rolleyes: I tried to explain this before.
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lol i have no clue about your text! but its scary, and i thought maybe someone slipped me a rufee and i was hallucinating.
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You know whats Sad?
I think some of us have more fun in the BBS these days than in the MA.
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I can agree with that. My "break" is nearing a month. And I feel no urge to log in. My acct is also gone. I dont think I'll be emailing them to get it back anytime soon either. Maybe my time here has come and gone anyways...
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Originally posted by CAV
Back to where I started....
I have been doing searchs, but no luck.
Has anyone seen HT say he wants bases (FT/TT) off limits to capture in the MA?
CAVALRY
Nope. But, I have heard him say that he doesn't want uncapturable fields.
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As the originator of Tank Town, I figured I would way in (besides...nothing good on the tube right now :)).
When I first came up with the idea, I talked with HT about it. NDisles convinced me that something like TT would be well received by the players and could be fun for a lot of folks. The upshot of our conversation was that the fields had to be capturable and I couldn't prevent planes from flying into it (yeah, I thought about 40k mountains....I can only imagine the whines :D). His reasoning was that it would cause problems with the "win the war" code AND that it would create seperate, insulated communities if the fields were uncapturable. I asked about the spawns, both in and out. He told me that they were needed to make capturing and recapturing the fields viable since access was to be restricted for planes.
One the things that I learned long before AH was even dreamed of is that, no matter what is done to prevent it, some segement of the player base will always find a way to cause grief to the others. That being said, my advice is to make the best of the situation. It could be that none of the maps had an FT or TT.
Personally, I would suggest that the people that really care should make an effort to protect their playground. If you see bombers launching from your FT field...let the other guys know. Then, don't help the bombers get through. Heck, when you see that dweeb in the C47 yelling for cover...let every enemy in the area know where he is........wicked, eh? :D
I do know that if anyone (and I do mean ANYONE) can find a compelling reason to change things, HT will listen. However, you better have all of your duck in a row. HT simply loves shooting down ideas that aren't well thought out (of course, it could just be MY ideas he loves shooting down :)).
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Honestly i bomb the hangers in FT because i love too hear "real furballer's "
cry about it.Like waffle said,it's in the map it is real estate to be taken!
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Nice bait, but if you are as bad in bombers as you are in fighters we have nothing to fear:rofl
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Nope. But, I have heard him say that he doesn't want uncapturable fields.
Well if we're immovable about uncapturable bases (which IS the item that funnels the play) and insulated communities then there's few ideas left that would do little if anything.
What's wrong with 40,000 mts:)
The insulated community is somewhat puzzling because if the fighters chose to stay in FT regardless of being attacked from a few on the outside how is that not insulated?
There will only be a few that will spoil it and their reputation or lack of will cement them. ..but most won't. So the idea of uncapturable bases doesn't seem like it'd effect community insulation. And even if so..insulation from what?
Even different arenas like we had in AW weren't bad in of themselves. The thing that split the community with predjudice was there was RR and FR.
And we all know where the dweebs flew..don't we ;-)
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Originally posted by HardRock
Even different arenas like we had in AW weren't bad in of themselves.
Come on HR....weren't you still around when AW did a GV arena? Was just a waste of server space. As for the community, if you think seperate groups sitting in the gym and not have contact is community.......well, you be a HardHead instead of a HardRock. :D
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NB...It does seem that AH has evolved into something altogether different. Maybe its the shear numbers of subscribers that make it more noticeable than it was before. Hopefully HT uses threads sometimes to form opinion as to what we would like to see. I think the reasons brought about in this thread as well as others from the past are adding up to an eventual change. errr I hope so. :)
The BBS proves that no matter how hard HT has tried to stop division of players it hasnt nor will it work. It simply can't. And no. I dont see how said changes would make it any different than it is now. Cept of course stop 2 distinct griefings from being possible.
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but if you are as bad in bombers as you are in fighters we have nothing to fear
You are so smart judging people by thier score.......
When you have been around long enough you might finally see
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who is this autopilot?
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Not sure, another shades maybe? Who knows, who cares.
I do know something seriously wrong with something when Mugz and I start agreeing... Joking around in a thread!:eek:
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Come on HR....weren't you still around when AW did a GV arena? Was just a waste of server space. As for the community, if you think seperate groups sitting in the gym and not have contact is community.......well, you be a HardHead instead of a HardRock. :D
I was around in AW 1992 till the last night. GV? never heard of it..at least in that abbreviation. I heard of the one life arena. That failed because no one wants to die and be gone for the night.
Your semblance to a Gym community is cute but I fail to see the reasoning.
No doubt my hard head eh:)
As the poster above said I don't see how you can force non division. Maybe arena wise but not philosophy wise.
This is really quite simple.
There are basically 3 types of players you want to cater to.
1.Base capture and all that goes with it.
2.Furballers
3.Historical
The "I want to live" player can survive in any of the top 3.
So what is the problem here?
Players won't ever decide by honor alone. Only the arena design can funnel the play.
Not allowing a "space" for furballers is just not rational.
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Originally posted by HardRock
I was around in AW 1992 till the last night. GV? never heard of it..at least in that abbreviation. I heard of the one life arena. That failed because no one wants to die and be gone for the night.
GV= ground vehicle. Yes, there was a tank town arena in AW. There was also the Ultra Realism arena. Both flopped, as did the 1 life to live arena.
Originally posted by HardRock
Your semblance to a Gym community is cute but I fail to see the reasoning.
No doubt my hard head eh:)
Havin' a senior moment there Pete? :D While you can't force divergent factions into 1 community...you don't have to enable them.
Originally posted by HardRock
This is really quite simple.
There are basically 3 types of players you want to cater to.
1.Base capture and all that goes with it.
2.Furballers
3.Historical
Well, part of the problem seems to be the misconception that the MA is supposed to be for 1 or the other. It isn't. It's a free for all arena. Here, it's called the Main Arena. In AW the name was Melee Arena. The AW name more accurately describes how the MA is intended to be used. Of course, the real problem is all of the specialized groups that want to insist that the MA cater to their desires. The reality is that there currently are arenas for each group you mention and yet, people continue to insist that the MA be changed to suit their desires.
Heck, you have no idea how hard it was to talk Dale into letting me try TT. In the end, I was able to meet all of his requirements and it worked. Now we have an FT in one terrain. It's really up to the players as to how it gets used.
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NB...are you speaking for HT when you say "It is up to us how to use the MA"?(Not a direct quote) i.e. That is not going to be changed, ever?
I mean do you already think or know that some of what is being proposed here will never be a consideration or a reality?
In short. Is it your opinion that any such suggestions are a total waste of time?
You seem to be pretty certain.
I know that HT is very slow to make a decision and for very good reason/ I do hope he will chime in on this discussion eventually. I mean things have changed a lot in the 5 years i have been in AH.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
GV= ground vehicle. Yes, there was a tank town arena in AW. There was also the Ultra Realism arena. Both flopped, as did the 1 life to live arena.
Havin' a senior moment there Pete? :D While you can't force divergent factions into 1 community...you don't have to enable them.
Well, part of the problem seems to be the misconception that the MA is supposed to be for 1 or the other. It isn't. It's a free for all arena. Here, it's called the Main Arena. In AW the name was Melee Arena. The AW name more accurately describes how the MA is intended to be used. Of course, the real problem is all of the specialized groups that want to insist that the MA cater to their desires. The reality is that there currently are arenas for each group you mention and yet, people continue to insist that the MA be changed to suit their desires.
Heck, you have no idea how hard it was to talk Dale into letting me try TT. In the end, I was able to meet all of his requirements and it worked. Now we have an FT in one terrain. It's really up to the players as to how it gets used.
I may leave pots burning on the stove these days but I assure you I still have sound reasoning. And just be careful..you ain't no spring chicken yourself:)
Ok to cases.
The forementioned arenas in AW failed because no one wanted that type of play. This has nothing to do with this discussion.
The fightertown in AW was just a small appeasment. 3 Bases. A circle jerk.There's more to furballing (or fighting) as you know than a circle jerk.
Same with the FT in AH. Make no mistake..this is not directed at you and I totally appreciate your efforts to get this much (thanks:). But since you've been connected with this game longer and understand the whole concept is why I address it to you.
So lets get down to common sense. That it where I always come from and like I said..it's not senile :)
There seems to be some reason,if not paranoid, for some division. Yes I agree you don't have to enable it if that's what you really think will happen.
In AW there was division, if you want to call it that, because of the non realism and realism. RRvFR. Yes we bashed the RR players to an extent including larks into their arena. But at the con was there any such thing? No we were all air warriors.
IN AH its all full realism. So what division are we talking about? I don't understand. I have no problem with base capture players. It's what they like and they are entitled to it. Not to mention more revenue. Why is the reverse not true? I've seen enough posts here in my short time that there is another segment that likes just fighting.
You say its up to the players how its used. That's just not true and never will be. Witness the guy that must bomb FT because HE CAN. The spin code was porked in AW..did people use it? Yes because you could.
Only the game design, in this case the arena, can funnel the play.
I don't like HOs except maybe in a historical scenario. But people do it because they can. If they weren't enabled you couldn't.
So the MA IS funneled to ONE type of play!!!!!!! That's the whole point here..when you say it's not SUPPOSED to.
So if you can..please explain the *feared* division perceived by having another arena (or larger part of MA) where there is no or at least limited base capture. In common sense terms please:)
I just don't understand the concept of not appeasing what is obviously a large group of people. I don't fly much because of the pork but have kept the account out of support so in the end they still get the same money from me but I know others would sign up if this was addressed. Again Carlton..thanks for your efforts..make no mistake about that:)
Now can you just add 6 more bases to those 3 to give it a little more depth:) Then come fly there so I can hunt you;-)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
And if the toolshed drones like it or not, they can very easily wreck the fun/fight for those fighting... While the ones fighting and only wanting to fight, could care less about getting in their way of winning the war.
I was told several times by the toolshedding armchair generals that when they kill a fight, they free up the furballing resources to fight where they are needed instead in some obscure corner of the map.
Not sure what we can do about it, without every furballer everywhere killing ord at the bases... then again, that would make us as bad as they are.
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While I agree that division will always exist, either forcing a group into a different arena, or enabling one group to harass the others by gameplay design ( and with no other positive effect on gameplay that I personally can see ) are bad solutions.
If some folks wish to do nothing by fly around in Zekes and set each other on fire for hours on end, great. I'm not simply interested in furballing, but I do enjoy scenarios like base defense against CV based raids, since the flights tend to be short, and the fights hectic. Good clean fast-paced fun. Just the thing for when I'm having a rotten day and need to blow off some steam.
If the guys in TT wish to spend hours blowing each other's turrets off without affecting the rest of the arena, fantastic. I'll admit that I do this on occasion, especially on the Isles map with it's center island, and that um other map, which used to have the GV/early war-only island in the center.
I'll even admit to upping heavy formations and hunting campers, and taking heavily armed interceptors in to hunt other dweebs in bombers hunting campers, and of course upping a fighter to hunt the interceptors hunting the bombers hunting the campers hunting the masses of GVs pouring into the center town. (This sort of broad-spectrum idiocy makes me an expert, I think, and I do have a point).
While I do these things, I absolutely avoid destroying the hangars on these islands. I see no rationale behind that except denying all the other guys their idea of fun, which would seem to be the same things I do. To try to label it as winning the war, or say it's real estate that's supposed to be taken, is just absolute crap. Many nights when I've seen these maps reset, those center island bases are often still in their original owners' hands, and obviously haven't done much to alter the outcome of the war.
Doing the same thing in the so called FighterTown is precisely the same sort of active plan to prevent others from enjoying the game. Those responsible know how difficult it is to retake one of those bases, and that an attempt to do so will likely fail, or require an hour of dedicated activity by a large number of people, and the defense against an attack from outside the center can easily be accomplished by a comparatively small number of players.
Whether the logic behind these stunts is to try to force those not active in "teh war efurt" into helping, or simply to piss people off, it's not adding anything to the game. The actions and goals of such persons is rather obvious. They're called griefers in other games, and miserable bastards in the real world. Such people add nothing to the game, and should immediately be banned.
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Originally posted by Delirium
I was told several times by the toolshedding armchair generals that when they kill a fight, they free up the furballing resources to fight where they are needed instead in some obscure corner of the map.
Not sure what we can do about it, without every furballer everywhere killing ord at the bases... then again, that would make us as bad as they are.
Some believe aircover will come if they can kill the furball. I think what they fail to see is that a bunch of friendly fighters in a furball is usually tieing up a like number of enemy fighters that would otherwise be over their base.
And there is the 13 year olds that will because they can. One was going to tank town in bombers mainly because there were few fighters there. Gets to land his KILLZ!
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I love to watch my own buffs to killed. They whine why I wont help them and I play dumb and act like my vox is out. I let the enemy kill the buffs first and get to see it on country on being yelled at.
But being said above how seems that there are less fights. As time has gone on, people are not into fighting anymore. With new influx of a type of people, its become more of a arena type game then everyone having fun. The new people come in are porking every base where there are good furballs and they say help us win this game. This being said there is really no place to have a good furball and keep it safe. I know there have been guys that on rooks said they will find any furball and pork the base just to keep some of us having fun.
Last night was especially boring. Fun police going around killing every base. Big to the bish at 5 who came up and started a big furball once their FHs came up. I like fighting bish especially because what Ive found they make the best furballs. I was having a party of my own when I saw the furball and what happens, 5 min later fun police come in and kill the base. Every place I went to that a fight seemed to be was killed within 10 minutes.
It just seems that the old age of AH where furballs were plentiful and everyone liked to fight has past. Now everyone wants to win the game what they call it. What does 25 perks get you I dont know but many people are making a big deal out of something that is so simple. Perks are like penny change to me as it is to many so we could care less about the 25 measily perks. I easily earn 25-50 perks every flight. Those 25 perks take some up to the end of the map rotation just to earn.
Only real option I can see is having a map made where the buff dweebs can have a place to their own or having a high cap of 262s by each country to just go hunting for enemy buffs as fun police always come sooner or later.
Hopefully when CT comes around, buffs wont play such a big part in the fun of having big fights.
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to the end of the map rotation just to earn.
Only real option I can see is having a map made where the buff dweebs can have a place to their own or having a high cap of 262s by each country to just go hunting for enemy buffs as fun police always come sooner or later.
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LOL. There ya go. Jet AI that attacks buffs in FT. lol.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
NB...are you speaking for HT when you say "It is up to us how to use the MA"?(Not a direct quote) i.e. That is not going to be changed, ever?
I mean do you already think or know that some of what is being proposed here will never be a consideration or a reality?
In short. Is it your opinion that any such suggestions are a total waste of time?
You seem to be pretty certain.
I know that HT is very slow to make a decision and for very good reason/ I do hope he will chime in on this discussion eventually. I mean things have changed a lot in the 5 years i have been in AH.
Mugz...
In no way do I pretend to speak for HT. He is a big boy and capable of doing so himself...when he chooses to do so. :) The "up to us" thing is actually me paraphrasing a comment of his. It is also something that I agree with.
What I am saying is that I have discussed some of these issues with him in the past. The "past" part is important because (believe it or not) he does actually change his mind, on occassion.
It is not my opinion that "suggestions" are a waste of time. However, well thought out and organized suggestions are much more likely to have an impact. He will quickly pick apart any 'suggestion' that does not take into consideration ALL aspects of the game. He doesn't not make changes based on knee-jerk reactions (having been in a game that did make decisions that way....this is a good thing). This is really one of the positive aspects to his game...when he does make a change, it is most often for the betterment of the entire game.
As for his commenting...I do know that he reads the BBS daily. I also know that he will, generally, only comment if he feels that doing so is important. Imagine if he tried to comment in every thread like this one....changes would be even slower. :)
As for my being certain, well...I have been pleased to call him friend since long before he created his first game. What I can offer is an insight into what is needed to convince him to change something and perhaps, share a few thing that he has told me.
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HR...
Damn man!! Get a microwave and don't burn the house down! :)
The AW arenas did fail because of lack of traffic. However, plenty of folks said that they were needed. Of course AW's FT was an appeasement. Prior experience said that a seperate arena would fail.
Your common sense may be intact...I do still wonder about senility. :D
HR said...
You say its up to the players how its used. That's just not true and never will be.
Actually, a discussion about headons is where this came from. HT believes he has created an accurate and realistic gunnery model. He also said that he doesn't wish to compromise that model with unrealistic "fixes" to prevent headons. Bottomline, the model is realistic, it is the players use of it that is flawed. Keep in mind that he came from a game where such compromises were common place. Because of that, he has a major problem with doing it himself.
Actually, the MA is not funneled into one type of play. All types of play are available....but, no type of play is "protected" from the others. The division comes from people expecting that their "fun" should be exempt from interuption by the rest of the arena.
As for adding bases to FT....now THAT is a constructive idea. Each country should have at least 2 so that recaptures can be made. That is the reason for there being 6 gv fields in TT.
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Well. I have read and digested everything NB has said. I can say now with 99.9% accuracy that the uninterrupted FT's and TT's are a dream world in the MA. It will remain a dream world. Carry on.
PS..plan on seeing additional bases attached to the so called Fts we may see on future maps. Yous Gvers and Fighter/ furballer only types...Plan on being irritated till hell freezes over ;) It seems like it is the in vogue thing these days.
I for one don't see how on earth such setups as suggested here would cause anyone to become more divided than they are already. There are very distinct lines drawn already. In fact..i see the opposite effect happening as far as a peaceable arena is concerned.
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Originally posted by Hajo
Tank Town and Fighter Town are designed into maps so that those who wish to have a short flight or drive to some good furballing can do so in relative peace. They both are fun for quick action and gets all three countries involved.
I personally never play in Tank Town because I'm even more horrible in a GV then I am when I'm in a fighter.
I rarely fly in Fighter Town also. But a great deal of the Aces High Community use these two venues when they are available on the Map. They were requested by the Community so quick action on the ground or in the air would be possible without worrying about strat etc.
IMHO.....anyone destroying and taking bases in either of these venues is taking away what the AH Community wanted! HTC was nice enough to give us these two mini maps in a map for reasons stated above! Please Gents and Ladies let the people who use these two areas of the Map have fun! Let them alone! They aren't involved in base taking on the Map, they aren't milkrunning and divebombing someone elses base. If say GVs destroyed and took another vehicle base from within Tank Town I feel that's part of the game. But coming from three sectors away and using divebombing Lancs to disrupt them just because you can is childish! Let them enjoy what they pay for. Let the FT Bases alone also. Let them have fun.
Again.....just MHO.
The views stated above aren't necessarily the views of our sponsors. :aok
I have two things to touch on.
A long time ago, in the AH1 game. Trinity and TT had just come into the picture. Wax left Bishland for Rook (before the changeover to AH2), and we decided to "do a Jabo run into TT". They knocked down some hangers, but I saw this Tiger rtb'ing. I kilt him about 100 yards from his Vbase about to land SpawnCamping killz. His name? FireHwk. I was in TEARS watching him spew his hatred on Channel 1. Wax and I still mention it from time to time.
Second. About 9 tours ago, the BISH took ALL OF THE Bases in FT. I logged on to see this taken from both countries. I chatted with Lazer about this. We had about 40+ guys in Rookland that would want to get it back. Hmm, maybe I can get "outside help"? I pm'd RacrX because he was one I could trust. He agreed to help, but had to log. Low n behold I pm WMLute. He was in from the get-go. When it was all said and done, Rooks were escorting Knights, and vice versa (WITHOUT an accidental kill even). I will never forget "The Truce". I wish I had filmed the almost 6 hours it took to reclaim. The Rooks wanted to capture the Bish base. I conversed with Lute on it, and he wasn't compliant. I supported his logic.
Karaya
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Trust Karaya. He sticks up for what he believs in. I have seen this first hand.
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Mugz...
I think you are probably correct about getting uninterupted game play at FT and TT. That is not to say that a well thought out idea that takes the overall impact on the game into account will be ignored.
Don't misunderstand, in the overall scheme of things, neither FT or TT mean that much to me. GVs are hosed for me since AH2's new graphics and I suck so bad that furballing at FT is not a real option. However, that doesn't mean that I enjoy seeing dweebs peeing in the pool. When Trinity is up, I will, generally, spend a good bit of time hauling a 38 or 47 loaded with gas in there to hunt the griefers. It can be a very rewarding pasttime. :D
I am really just suggesting some possible ways to deal with the flustration of not being able to get what you want...when you want it. Also, I'm trying to impart some knowledge about how to present ideas to HT successfully.
Heck, I think the whole thing is really much ado about nothing.
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I think you are probably correct about getting uninterupted game play at FT and TT.
The more I think about this, if a FT/TT can't be in it's own arena, then they have to be off in a corner away from the main battle area. The newer maps have a lot of dead space on them to use. If FT is out sight, out mind, the capture players will not bug them.
But, if what the furballers are asking for, is to be able to furball any place on the maps and not be interupted in the main battle areas... then I think you are asking for a lot.... because then the capture players are going see you as in the way of their fight and not helping. And from their point of veiw a mindless furball is a interuption of their "fun". And force them to drop the FH's and kill the furball.
As for what happens in the FT/TT the community needs a set of rules that is known for "Fighter town". That will be the hard part... getting all to play by the rules there.
CAVALRY
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if a FT/TT can't be in it's own arena,
It's called the Dueling Arena
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Its not a duel arena. Duel arena is for 1v1 not 50v50.
If the furballers had their own area to have their fun, then the base takers would be very lonely people. Majority of AH is still made up of furballers. Many times furballers are forced to do base taking as them base taking fun police kill fhs forcing a fight to die.
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If we were to get a separate arena for fighting (and we won't) the best would be the initial Beta terrain.
It was EXCELLENT.
Put all the Fighter/Attack aircraft in, leave out the true bombers, no GV's and let it roll.
Won't happen.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
It's called the Dueling Arena
No.....its not. The DA is basically a set of 1v1 fights. A furball is something quite different.
Hajo....I agree.
I doubt this will stop, causing problems is the only way for some to "contribute" to the community I guess...and it's easy.
Zaphod
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Least myself I think it would be funny if furballers refuse to take any part in trying to win a war. If people say that they have a goon otw, migrate to another part and let the enemy know this. Refuse to hit vh, fhs, town, etc. Let the enemy in and kill the goon. Just take no part in taking bases. If the enemy in any case seems to be losing and starting to not up, migrate to another part of the map. Let the enemy up and kill all buffs and goon and just act stupid like you lost your vox.
Man do I think evil at times. :t
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Majority of AH is still made up of furballers.
I don't know about that.... That was said many times in AW. Turned out to be not very true...
And if that is true here why isn't more players at FT on maps that has it? I have been watching the "dar bars" and the "Dots" on the maps with FT. 3/4 of the players are still out there playing the capture game.
CAVALRY
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Least myself I think it would be funny if furballers refuse to take any part in trying to win a war. If people say that they have a goon otw, migrate to another part and let the enemy know this. Refuse to hit vh, fhs, town, etc. Let the enemy in and kill the goon. Just take no part in taking bases. If the enemy in any case seems to be losing and starting to not up, migrate to another part of the map. Let the enemy up and kill all buffs and goon and just act stupid like you lost your vox.
Man do I think evil at times. :t
that's all i did when i was on line. :)
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Originally posted by CAV
The more I think about this, if a FT/TT can't be in it's own arena, then they have to be off in a corner away from the main battle area.
Not done because if it's in the corner, you can't provide for an equal chance to recapture lost fields. It would end up between 2 countries. If (when) the 3rd country loses its field, it would have no opportunity to recapture it.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Least myself I think it would be funny if furballers refuse to take any part in trying to win a war. If people say that they have a goon otw, migrate to another part and let the enemy know this. Refuse to hit vh, fhs, town, etc. Let the enemy in and kill the goon. Just take no part in taking bases. If the enemy in any case seems to be losing and starting to not up, migrate to another part of the map. Let the enemy up and kill all buffs and goon and just act stupid like you lost your vox.
Man do I think evil at times. :t
See how the current "pull the community together" setup works so well? :D
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Its not a duel arena. Duel arena is for 1v1 not 50v50.
If the furballers had their own area to have their fun, then the base takers would be very lonely people. Majority of AH is still made up of furballers. Many times furballers are forced to do base taking as them base taking fun police kill fhs forcing a fight to die.
I think you are mistaken sir. There are plenty of tool sheders that would hand your arse to you on a silver platter. They just chose to fight the War most of the time.
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The DA is basically a set of 1v1 fights. A furball is something quite different.
I have too disagree,not too long ago we ran a scenario in the DA called Tank Klubb,4 weeks in a row we had over 30 guys show up each weds. night we did the scenario.Sometimes we had over 30 guys show up,we would pick teams spawn out to the designated area and fight.Now if myself and a bunch of GV'ers can do this why can't the furballers?
This was all organized by word of mouth.I see all these guys typin how they should get together with the other pilots and meet in a location so they can furball,why not the DA.There is no moderator in there to tell any of you any different.
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Anyone have an Aspirin:D
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How bout some Malox Wax?
OK..OK.....Tank Town ....I get it, but doesn`t FT stand for fighter town? Just asking.
So if that`s true and everyone goes there to do some L33t fighting, then why are the bombers a problem? Is there a .cantkillbombers command used in FT or what?
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
The upshot of our conversation was that the fields had to be capturable and I couldn't prevent planes from flying into it (yeah, I thought about 40k mountains....I can only imagine the whines :D). His reasoning was that it would cause problems with the "win the war" code AND that it would create seperate, insulated communities if the fields were uncapturable.
Does "win the war" require that a country be down to only one airfield?
No?
Then what is the problem with making the mountains extremely high, thus preventing bombers from coming in from the outside?
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I have too disagree,not too long ago we ran a scenario in the DA called Tank Klubb,4 weeks in a row we had over 30 guys show up each weds. night we did the scenario.Sometimes we had over 30 guys show up,we would pick teams spawn out to the designated area and fight.Now if myself and a bunch of GV'ers can do this why can't the furballers?
This was all organized by word of mouth.I see all these guys typin how they should get together with the other pilots and meet in a location so they can furball,why not the DA.There is no moderator in there to tell any of you any different.
Been there done that, doesn't work. DA is not a Viable solution. End of story. The main meeting place is the MA. Except for griefers like Waffle most seem to play by the unspoken rules. Why fo people that don't furball care so much. As most have stated, shedders can have the whole map to avoid each other all we want is a FT.
Jack we are in FT to fight each other, not chase stoopid bombers. Do we do it? Yes. Do some sneak in? Yes. Am I going to climb to 20k to intercept bombers? Heck No!
But, if what the furballers are asking for, is to be able to furball any place on the maps and not be interupted in the main battle areas... then I think you are asking for a lot
No one is asking for this. Give us 3 fields where we can fight and griefers like Waffle can't mess it up and this whole stupid argument goes away. Why HTC doesn't get this escapes me.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
How bout some Malox Wax?
OK..OK.....Tank Town ....I get it, but doesn`t FT stand for fighter town? Just asking.
So if that`s true and everyone goes there to do some L33t fighting, then why are the bombers a problem? Is there a .cantkillbombers command used in FT or what?
Not everyone in FT/TT considers themselves "L33T" fighter/GV'ers. It just happens to be fun on occasion to go do mindless furballing. To complain about someone who's actions are taken soley to ruin the fun of others does not constitute a "L33T" attitude in and of itself. I would guess that the "L33T" attitude exists with certain players from all playstyles, not the least of which being players in the group who prefers disruption of other's gameplay to anything else. I suspect that most "greifers" or disruptive players are the ones with the biggest chip on their shoulder over not being able to live up to their own "L33T" opinion of themselves.
I don't know that anyone is saying that a bomber flying around in FT is a problem in and of itself. It's more the players that take bombers over to the FT bases with the sole purpose of killing all the fighter hangers.
I think flying bombers in FT is actually just fine. It would be good practice for defending a bomber and good practice for those who want to kill a bomber. I'm not entirely sure that a bomber hitting strats at FT/TT bases is bad either since it doen't completely stop the fight.
The issue is the folks that show up in TT/FT and whack the VH/FH just to be a problem causer or gain attention for themselves. It's really very clear that the only reason that it is being done is to cause problems much of the time. If your curious as to how to tell the difference....turn on ch. 200 or read up on some of the replies posted in this thread by those who support the practice of killing/capturing TT/FT bases. It appears (from what the folks who do this say) to be nothing more than an attempt to gain attention, get revenge or force a certain playstyle or some combination of those reasons. There is no other valid reason to act like that. Certainly having players fighting in FT does nothing to effect a another player's ability to go bomb, capture airfields (makes it easier many times in fact), work with others as a team to accomplish some goal etc. as the entire map exists with the exception of THREE bases do these things. The same arguement exists for TT to a certain extent.
It's essentially just rude behavior that occurs because an effective way of dealing with griefers has yet to found.
Zaphod
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Wow do we take the same thread and reup it every 2 weeks??
While i am not a fan of taking FT or TT bases...waste of time imho...i am laughing at the absolute hypocrisy of some of these posters.
1) The night the bish took the FT base under waffle's lead we were fiting 3-4 darbars of both nits and rooks all night. I spent the whole night with my squad porking troops across the frontlines. Not really why i pay the money each month, but it was better then getting rolled. BoPs didnt join that mission as i really dont see the adv of it (pushes more rooks out to gang us). None of the rooks or nits seemed to have any problem ganging US, but when the FT base was taken, we were ruining THEIR fun. My fun and im sure the fun of most of us is to have fair fights across the map...except for our missions you will find us fiting the tougher bases.
2) last night the dear STANG who is weighing in here was on ch 200 taunting the bish while we were 30 countries less then either rooks or nits. This was while he was taunting bish about hordes while rooks had 3.5 darbar vs one bish darbar????
3)as for morpheus who i wont miss a lick describing the bops as a newbie horde squad...all i can say is that we have kept more guys in the game by giving them a way to have fun and gain skills while accomplishing something. A BoP has something to look forward too besides flying alone.
Our mission train new guys to work together and enjoy the game. Would i rather i was in a squad that just flew fiters and could pick and choose countries based on where we would have the most fun??? that is where i have the most fun for sure is when im winging some pals in fiters and chopping guys down. When numbers are even or we have the lead in bases, that is where you will find me.
So to sum up a lengthy post....it would be great if hitech made TT and FT bases uncapturable,,,also if he made 20 bases per map each country uncapturable and let the natural rotation change maps instead of victory. I still had the most fun in AWC...no capturable bases and strat targets for the buffs....airplane factories to bomb to kill spits. guess what happend if a country is being ganged by another back then....NOTHING...you could walk away from an unfair fight and never worry about a base disappearing...instead you saw a much more even distribution of players dogfting each other.
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Originally posted by mars01
Jack we are in FT to fight each other, not chase stoopid bombers. Do we do it? Yes. Do some sneak in? Yes. Am I going to climb to 20k to intercept bombers? Heck No!
OK.........I`ve done laid the smack down to HT in the other thread. :)
I guess I need to add to my list............No more bombers in FT , but fighters can`t shoot down bombers on the rest of the map. Them there must be real bomber type guys you are talking about. Everywhere else on the BBS the guys are complaining about the low alt bombers. Man this si confusing, but I`ll get HT lined out. ;)
Until these changes are implimented I think it would lower your stress level to come to Texas and give me some airtime in your Pitts. Just trying to help yaknow.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
I have too disagree,not too long ago we ran a scenario in the DA called Tank Klubb,4 weeks in a row we had over 30 guys show up each weds. night we did the scenario.Sometimes we had over 30 guys show up,we would pick teams spawn out to the designated area and fight.Now if myself and a bunch of GV'ers can do this why can't the furballers?
This was all organized by word of mouth.I see all these guys typin how they should get together with the other pilots and meet in a location so they can furball,why not the DA.There is no moderator in there to tell any of you any different.
In terms of setting up a situation with other players yes this is possible to do. It is however not particulary easy to do many times and not very practical. Certainly you are very limited since it can only be done at scheduled times and not everyone can meet on the same schedule.
This is still very different from a furball in FT or a GV fight in TT. Basically in the MA, in FT or TT, you log in and jump into the fight whenever a map with FT or TT exists. No scheduling, no rules of engagement in terms of "check 6's", Ho's on merge etc. It's just a big free for all and it's just a FUN thing to do.
The DA is not a furball arena...it is setup to be a 1 v 1 style of gameplay so 99% of the time this is what is going on in there. You can't just jump into the DA and start "furballing" short of the rare occasion mentioned above and then only with some scheduling.
The vulching/picking/bad language issues in the DA were being dealt with yesterday (02/20 at about 4pm EST)...and it was quite the relief. So I'm not sure how true the statement "there is no moderator" is anymore.
I think that very few people would support a true "furball only" style of arena. The reason that the MA is so popular is the essense of online gameplay....the number of players there and the freedom to play the varied styles of gameplay (without having to change to another arena). To come into a community with the primary goal of "disruption" is ridiculous. To expect NOT to have people calling those individuals out concerning their behavior is ignorant.
Disruptive behavior with the sole purpose of negatively affecting the gameplay of others is NOT a style of gameplay. It's just disruptive behavior...I would expect one to get called out on it when one does it.
Zaphod
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
2) last night the dear STANG who is weighing in here was on ch 200 taunting the bish while we were 30 countries less then either rooks or nits. This was while he was taunting bish about hordes while rooks had 3.5 darbar vs one bish darbar????
3)as for morpheus who i wont miss a lick describing the bops as a newbie horde squad...all i can say is that we have kept more guys in the game by giving them a way to have fun and gain skills while accomplishing something. A BoP has something to look forward too besides flying alone.
Our mission train new guys to work together and enjoy the game. Would i rather i was in a squad that just flew fiters and could pick and choose countries based on where we would have the most fun??? that is where i have the most fun for sure is when im winging some pals in fiters and chopping guys down. When numbers are even or we have the lead in bases, that is where you will find me.
So to sum up a lengthy post....it would be great if hitech made TT and FT bases uncapturable,,,also if he made 20 bases per map each country uncapturable and let the natural rotation change maps instead of victory. I still had the most fun in AWC...no capturable bases and strat targets for the buffs....airplane factories to bomb to kill spits. guess what happend if a country is being ganged by another back then....NOTHING...you could walk away from an unfair fight and never worry about a base disappearing...instead you saw a much more even distribution of players dogfting each other.
Just to reply to your 2nd though, seeing a dar bar doesnt accurately give the number of people in that sector. All the bish maybe in that 1 sector and if spread out would equal the 3.5 sectors the rooks have just as if the rooks were all put in one sector all you would see is 1 dar bar.
Look at the 475th, all we do is furball. We dont take bases unless we have to get a fight going.
If the furballers were given their own area on a map, I can see the toolshedders and base takers being very lonely.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Then what is the problem with making the mountains extremely high, thus preventing bombers from coming in from the outside?
Hmm.....because HT said I couldn't do that? :)
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Until these changes are implimented I think it would lower your stress level to come to Texas and give me some airtime in your Pitts. Just trying to help yaknow.
LOL Jax are you anywhere near nationals in Sept, in Texas Grayson County Airport - locator GYI, Denison, TX.
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Originally posted by mars01
LOL Jax are you anywhere near nationals in Sept, in Texas Grayson County Airport - locator GYI, Denison, TX.
I`m fairly close. About 60/65 miles.
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Hehe Falc, you didn't get what I was saying I guess. I was taunting both sides, I wanted the Rook and Bish hordes to actually run into each other instead of doing the cowardly dodge each other to mass horde an undefended field crap. I was getting on the Rooks on country channel much more than I got on you guys.
:aok
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
HR...
Damn man!! Get a microwave and don't burn the house down! :)
The AW arenas did fail because of lack of traffic. However, plenty of folks said that they were needed. Of course AW's FT was an appeasement. Prior experience said that a seperate arena would fail.
Your common sense may be intact...I do still wonder about senility. :D
HR said...
You say its up to the players how its used. That's just not true and never will be.
Actually, a discussion about headons is where this came from. HT believes he has created an accurate and realistic gunnery model. He also said that he doesn't wish to compromise that model with unrealistic "fixes" to prevent headons. Bottomline, the model is realistic, it is the players use of it that is flawed. Keep in mind that he came from a game where such compromises were common place. Because of that, he has a major problem with doing it himself.
Actually, the MA is not funneled into one type of play. All types of play are available....but, no type of play is "protected" from the others. The division comes from people expecting that their "fun" should be exempt from interuption by the rest of the arena.
As for adding bases to FT....now THAT is a constructive idea. Each country should have at least 2 so that recaptures can be made. That is the reason for there being 6 gv fields in TT.
I have a microwave. But I still leave the burners on at least twice a day. No joke:(
I hear ya on the headons being realistic..which is why I mentioned they are great for historical situations.
Email me your phone number. I lost it. I'll giva ya jingle. Longtime no talk anyhoo:)
lee-meadows@comcast.net
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I have alot of respect for ya stang...mebbe i didnt understand the purpose of your comments so sorry for the jab.;)
again when things are fairly even i prefer to up fiters and furball or intercept missions....
even though it may seem odd coming from the King of the Bops, I HATE basetaking. Only do it to survive and help my teammates. I can probably count on both hands the number of times ive been on and we "won" a map
in 4 years of this version.
bish seem to get most of the flak on this board for hording and toolshedding....would LOVE to see last year stats on who "won" the most maps...im redy to bet some money that it will show that the bish are NOT the toolshedding/base takers they are accused of being...if anyoone knows how to look that up please post it here.
:aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
I have alot of respect for ya stang...mebbe i didnt understand the purpose of your comments so sorry for the jab.;)
again when things are fairly even i prefer to up fiters and furball or intercept missions....
even though it may seem odd coming from the King of the Bops, I HATE basetaking. Only do it to survive and help my teammates. I can probably count on both hands the number of times ive been on and we "won" a map
in 4 years of this version.
bish seem to get most of the flak on this board for hording and toolshedding....would LOVE to see last year stats on who "won" the most maps...im redy to bet some money that it will show that the bish are NOT the toolshedding/base takers they are accused of being...if anyoone knows how to look that up please post it here.
:aok
Falc, come on...that dog want hunt.
Yea, I`m pretty sure we are on the low end of the totem in "won" scoreboard, but it`s because we suck at it. :rofl
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I gotta disagree with ya jack....
when i have been on and numbers even and spread across all fronts the bish do very well....log on at night and you will see why we have limited success...heck there is a always a rook buff run mission in the air (and i love it!! it keeps them off the frontline and we resupply in 5 minutes what it took an hour to knock down)
sure im a homer for bish...no apologies there:aok
but again my post was to suggest that we shouldnt be accused of being the worst landgrabbers when we dont win..doesnt make any sense:eek:
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I`m fairly close. About 60/65 miles.
We'll if I make it out there this year for Nationals, we'll set something up!
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hmm.....because HT said I couldn't do that? :)
Hmm.....maybe I'm asking HT. :)
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HOarach,
I agree and would love to see most bases uncapturable...mebbe the bases that could be captured would give cheap 262's:rolleyes: extra ammo or something...some bonus.
and lets have a real fitertown..3 bases apiece so the vulchers cant play..all uncapturable and no ordinance...unkillable field ack.....a man can only dream....
i actually dont play at FT...too many vulchers and SA is not as important..i do better outside of there fitering...
ooh and take away check 6's from FT so noone can whine!!
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Originally posted by Donzo
Hmm.....maybe I'm asking HT. :)
Hmmm...then maybe you should direct your question to him, instead of just quoting me. :D
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Originally posted by Stang
Hehe Falc, you didn't get what I was saying I guess. I was taunting both sides, I wanted the Rook and Bish hordes to actually run into each other instead of doing the cowardly dodge each other to mass horde an undefended field crap. I was getting on the Rooks on country channel much more than I got on you guys.
:aok
It's fun when either -
1) Two NOE missions run into each other
or
2) When a high alt mission runs into an NOE one.
Just doesn't happen often.
The only consistent one is when a buff mission inbound to HQ is met by a mission from the defenders.
As for the hoard in general, all three sides do it without exception.
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Originally posted by mars01
We'll if I make it out there this year for Nationals, we'll set something up!
Great. I`ll keep that in mind.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
It's fun when either -
1) Two NOE missions run into each other
or
2) When a high alt mission runs into an NOE one.
Just doesn't happen often.
The only consistent one is when a buff mission inbound to HQ is met by a mission from the defenders.
As for the hoard in general, all three sides do it without exception.
You speaketh factually my dear friend. :aok
Present example is Trinity. Since it started in the rotation late last week, Nit and Rook pounded the dog **** outa Bish... Fri, Sat, and Sun. Monday rolls along and Bish Hoard take much of our Default bases back and Nit/Rook cry foul. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Everyone here know good and well that in the big picture it's actually pretty well balanced out in the long haul. This is a WAR of sorts and to have balance in the long haul is the best that can be expected. PS...i only started feeling this way over the last two weeks when Bish finally got off their Butts and started working TOGETHER as a team again. (It wont last) :D
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Mars01: I feel a flight exchange comming up, thats about 20 mins from my airport 52F. Also great breakfast spot about 10 miles from there 3T0 .
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I think that very few people would support a true "furball only" style of arena
Have you counted all the crybaby furballer's lately?The idea would so work.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
You speaketh factually my dear friend. :aok
Present example is Trinity. Since it started in the rotation late last week, Nit and Rook pounded the dog **** outa Bish... Fri, Sat, and Sun. Monday rolls along and Bish Hoard take much of our Default bases back and Nit/Rook cry foul. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Everyone here know good and well that in the big picture it's actually pretty well balanced out in the long haul. This is a WAR of sorts and to have balance in the long haul is the best that can be expected. PS...i only started feeling this way over the last two weeks when Bish finally got off their Butts and started working TOGETHER as a team again. (It wont last) :D
Maybe when bish actually stand up to fight rooks. Last 2 nights, bish have not stood up to fight and rooks walk right on in and only thing bish do is pork troops. BORING.
So I think why not maybe knights will stand up for themselves and fight. NOPE, just more time spent BORING myself. :mad:
Doesnt seem that anyone wants to fight these days, just pork. Not sure if its the area or what, because when bish had 5 and 4 the fights were great. Now its like a barren wasteland with no activity. I have seen many times on this map where there have been great furballs. Just seems that bish and knights dont like to fight rooks and just pork troops to keep anything from happening. Just once need a fight to stay going for more then a few minutes. :furious
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Horach - you should just say:
"we rooks need the bish to keep upping from the feild so we can vulch... we got a 50 person line and were sick of waiting our turn to run down the runway."
223 didnt fall did it.....?
Even Stang was laughing at you guys in the vulching horde.
BTW the way - your little angry smilies are really funny....lol
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Dont get me wrong waffle I was laughing at the rooks as well. While I went off to fight knights, as trying to see a fight with the bish to get big was pointless and a waste of time. I see 2 hours later, they still didnt take it. I said on country channel how long will it take you guys to take an undefended base.
If its going be a race to who can get the vulch I just go home even if I have a fully loaded 38. But if they are upping quite a bit and are getting off the ground and are able to fight, then I will vulch especially if all the rooks die and im the only one there which happens a lot. I will vulch dweebfires and lgays first as they pose the biggest threat when they get off the ground as they can get E fast.
But if there are plenty of rooks in the area and there are many upping I will wait for them to leave the airfield and fight.
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:rolleyes: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAHHHHHHHH
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Mars01: I feel a flight exchange comming up, thats about 20 mins from my airport 52F. Also great breakfast spot about 10 miles from there 3T0 .
Yeah no doubt about it. If I get to nationals (fingers crossed) consider it done!
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Maybe when bish actually stand up to fight rooks. Last 2 nights, bish have not stood up to fight and rooks walk right on in and only thing bish do is pork troops. BORING.
So I think why not maybe knights will stand up for themselves and fight. NOPE, just more time spent BORING myself. :mad:
Doesnt seem that anyone wants to fight these days, just pork. Not sure if its the area or what, because when bish had 5 and 4 the fights were great. Now its like a barren wasteland with no activity. I have seen many times on this map where there have been great furballs. Just seems that bish and knights dont like to fight rooks and just pork troops to keep anything from happening. :mad:
"Last 2 nights, bish have not stood up to fight and rooks walk right on in and only thing bish do is pork troops. BORING."
Thats because we had 85% of our force defending against the Nits mega hoard and even then we were ounnumbered on Nit front. We would put up a defense and they would NOE another base. We only had a few to spare to defend the back dooring opportunistic Rooks. ;)
And you are either Blind or just Plain full of chit. Not only did Bish Stand up and fight.. We also took many bases from Nits (IN THEIR FACE!) And we took 244 all while defending against the back dooring Crooks...err Rooks :rofl
The defense at 223 wasnt enough for you? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
God...theres nothing wrong with discussion..but this total BS fabrication has got to stop.:rofl
And another thing.. What about Friday when Rooks NOEd 3 bases 221 , 219 and 217 from Bish..and Bish took them right back Above dar and in You Face?
Your memory is very selective indeed. Oh yeah...i almost forgot 218. Kev367th had it correct.
Talk to the Hand.
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Oh hey LOOK! Rooks being tough with another NOE to 219 as i type this reply. :rofl
Maybe you need to be discusing this with your own countrymen Horach?
We Bish have been fighting hard with Rooks for the last 4 hrs between 216 and 244. Now Rooks decide they will NOE 219. Its all the same no matter where Horach. Its just too bad Film wont display Dar or the clipboard. I would love to post film of the Mighty fighting Rooks. errr Ducks :D
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Have you counted all the crybaby furballer's lately?The idea would so work.
I think that anytime you highly specialize an arena it sort of kills itself off after a few days. AW tried it...didn't work, the other arenas in AH are dead at least part of the time too. The MA allows for many varied styles of play and you can switch styles of gameplay easily from flight to flight. This draws a crowd which then serves to draw that much more folks, since they are here to battle other people and not A.I. Besides I'm not sure that there are that many true "furballers" out there who want to furball exclusively.
I'm not really seeing that many "crybaby furballers" either to be honest. This thread really started as "Please stop killing the fh/gv hangers in FT/TT". Which really isn't crying...it sounds like a reasonable request as there are other alternatives available (with much more effective results unless the desired result is to disrupt others).
Zaphod
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[SIZE=8]STOP [/SIZE][SIZE=8]GLOBAL WHINING[/SIZE][/COLOR]
Give peace a chance :aok
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Mugzee I have asked on country what the point of killing the FHs at a perfectly good fight is. I was told to STFU and help the war effort. Then someone said how much paypal I would take to leave the rooks. Just cause I dont like taking bases and porking everything doesnt mean I have to go along with it.
I refuse to help buffs and just watch them get torn up by the man enemy planes in the area.
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LOLH Zaphod,
I thought it would have been clear enough for our thick headed friend from your last post. You explained it quite well. It seems there is no getting through to Autogranite.
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Happy1...
Thanks for the clear, concise and informative post. :rofl
Zap...
You deserve a cookie....good post. :)
Hoara...
Take the money and come fly with me. :D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hoara...
Take the money and come fly with me. :D
Only if you take a shower first. :p
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The MA allows for many varied styles of play and you can switch styles of gameplay easily from flight to flight
Then where's the problem?Low and behold someone takes out the Fighter hangers then you can't vulch,oh what are we to ever do.Or: 6 on 1 fight and all 6 are HOing the 1 plane so intent on getting thier name up in lightz.
Really sad is what it is.That is why i continue to bomb fighter hangers in FT.
I knew the DA woouldn't sound appealing too you seeing as how that would be a fair furball oppurtunity and no chance of anyone being outnumbered.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Really sad is what it is.That is why i continue to bomb fighter hangers in FT.
Not are fault you cant fly a fighter.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Maybe when bish actually stand up to fight rooks. Last 2 nights, bish have not stood up to fight and rooks walk right on in and only thing bish do is pork troops. BORING.
:furious
You are corect ,rooks have the best team , lot of strong SQDs with experience.
I play bish for 4 years but now we are the weakest team i remember, they don't fight, helpless, They stay in tower watching others getting vulched, afraid to die in cyberspace maybe up a flak panzer, and that's it.
Last evening ,we had 240 bish online vs 220 rooks, @A223, was me, Waffle and 3-4 more, getting vuched like hell by 100+rooks, we asked for help ,more fighters but some players replayed "why to give them free kills",
But you cocky boys skilled fighters realy need the cover of best team to survive,? Come to bish and taste the pain, before screaming on ch.200 for fights.
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Originally posted by duh
Someone today in MA siad-50k walls around TT
that was me
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Ghi.
They were right. Why on earth would you even try to up when there are 100 Rooks vulching you. Use some common sense and up from a nearby field and come in like most of them. Or, like some of us, go out and slow the advance by eliminating there ability to capture the field with the 20 or so goons. 100 fighters won't capture the time of day, let alone a town. What a thought.
Sorry we couldn't sit there and watch you get vulched. It boggles my mind trying to figure out why someone would keep upping at a vulched field. Hummm. Still boggles my mind. You also need to take a look at the map from time to time and notice that Bish fight on two strong fronts. Check the dar between Rooks and Bish, Knights and Bish, and Rooks and Knights. There will usually be twice as much dar betwee both sides and Bish as there will be between Rooks and Knights. We get pounced by both sides every night. Fact of life. Been that way for years.
When you put the call out for help, which base should we surrender to help you up at a vulched field? Just curious.
By the way, that was one hell of a fight last night. <> Rooks
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Only if you take a shower first. :p
Hmm, this could be a deal-breaker. :)
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Not are fault you cant fly a fighter.
i shook your arse twice the other day,me against 3 and all 3 of ya were HO'in.Just gotta get that name up in lightz.
Was funny how if your gay buddy Lien hadn't come in and saved you,lmao
i shook you the first time and you ran for the deck like a HO'in chump always does,then you and your buddies had to HO me to finally get me.
Funny stuff man really,i got the film if your interested?
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<-- has managed to capture FT base.......TWICE!
I dunno why they wouldnt up.
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Zaph.....Good Post.
Your beating your head against a wall tho with that guy. His sole purpose is to tick people off and listen to em get mad about it. I saw a couple bragging about it the other day. All happy with themelves about griefing those in TT.
Some people are just naturally jerks. You can argue and show them proof of things. They don't care. They are simply in it to laugh at others fun being taken away.
Good try tho. I commend ya for trying bud.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
i shook your arse twice the other day,me against 3 and all 3 of ya were HO'in.Just gotta get that name up in lightz.
Was funny how if your gay buddy Lien hadn't come in and saved you,lmao
i shook you the first time and you ran for the deck like a HO'in chump always does,then you and your buddies had to HO me to finally get me.
Funny stuff man really,i got the film if your interested?
And what may you have been in, shouldnt be to hard of a guess a dweebfire 16 right? Or maybe a lgay7 only two options I possibly see as those are the only planes I would run from as you cant outturn a dweebfire 16 as they hold E the best and a lgay7 can turn very well at high speeds.
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Originally posted by MadSquirrel
Ghi.
They were right. Why on earth would you even try to up when there are 100 Rooks vulching you. Use some common sense and up from a nearby field and come in like most of them. Or, like some of us, go out and slow the advance by eliminating there ability to capture the field with the 20 or so goons. 100 fighters won't capture the time of day, let alone a town. What a thought.
Sorry we couldn't sit there and watch you get vulched. It boggles my mind trying to figure out why someone would keep upping at a vulched field. Hummm. Still boggles my mind. You also need to take a look at the map from time to time and notice that Bish fight on two strong fronts. Check the dar between Rooks and Bish, Knights and Bish, and Rooks and Knights. There will usually be twice as much dar betwee both sides and Bish as there will be between Rooks and Knights. We get pounced by both sides every night. Fact of life. Been that way for years.
When you put the call out for help, which base should we surrender to help you up at a vulched field? Just curious.
By the way, that was one hell of a fight last night. <> Rooks
LTARsqrl <>
Cause not everyone cares about their score and ghi knows how to overshoot very well in that il2 and blast your plane to pieces.
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Hoar, just ask him to put his money where his mouth is and DA. Always works, he backs down quickly and tries changing the subject. This normally results in childish name calling and telling you he's forgot more in his time than you have even learned, that one always made me chuckle. Anywho, give it a shot.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Cause not everyone cares about their score and ghi knows how to overshoot very well in that il2 and blast your plane to pieces.
If you for one second think a single LTAR cares about thier score then point them out to me cause we need to have a talk. LTAR has been known for many years not for thier score but feared because of thier abilty to get the job done and our ostis so your post made no since ( score part ) and yes it is easy to up an IL2 and kill 2-3 planes before the hord gets you:mad:
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And what may you have been in, shouldnt be to hard of a guess a dweebfire 16 right?
That's funny cuz i don't fly spit's or la-7's.I was flying in a Ki-61-Tei.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Then where's the problem?Low and behold someone takes out the Fighter hangers then you can't vulch,oh what are we to ever do.Or: 6 on 1 fight and all 6 are HOing the 1 plane so intent on getting thier name up in lightz.
Really sad is what it is.That is why i continue to bomb fighter hangers in FT.
I knew the DA woouldn't sound appealing too you seeing as how that would be a fair furball oppurtunity and no chance of anyone being outnumbered.
I'm thinking you may have misunderstood what I'm trying to say. I'm speaking only to destroying all of the FHs at FT or all of the VHs at TT. As far as I can tell there is only one reason to do that....disrupting others fun. Vulching in FT falls under the same catagory. Those types of behavior ruin the sort of gameplay that the folks in those areas are looking for. It essentially leaves either no way to up for a fight or nobody upping for a fight. Not behaving this way in no way impedes any other folks in the arena from their style of gameplay...unless disruption is what the goal is.
So again the request that's being made is for that disruptive behavior to stop.
With respect to the DA....it is quite appealing and I spend time there. However it is not a furball....it is a series of 1 v 1 fights (and is set up to be just that). It is a great place to work on the fundamentals of flying a plane against another plane. Those fundamentals are then added to the skills that are used in a furball such as SA and the prioritizing of nme's in the area.
In essense the DA is (for me) a nice relaxing series of fights and a chance to learn or improve specific skills. The furball is a manic series of fights and a chance to learn or improve other specific skills. Both are very fun...as long as you maintain the right sort of mindset (this is a game, you get a new plane everytime, there is ALWAYS someone better, ANYONE can be shot down by ANYONE else at ANYTIME especially in a furball, if you die...it's likely your fault and should be looked at in terms of how can I do this better).
You seem like an angry person. I used to be a much more angry person while playing this game too. For my part that anger was caused by ego issues when losing a fight. As my perception of my skill increased, each loss caused more anger. I had to step back and look at why I was doing this and apply a little reality in terms of my perceived skill level and how the game worked. I have to tell you...it's much more fun to not be angry. I suspect that a lot of disruptive behavior is caused by angry people due to the primary goals of disruptive behavior. My advice to those folks would be "butterflys in...bee's out". :aok
Mars01/Redtop - thanks and I'm still trying, although your probably correct. ;)
NB - thanks and I like chocolate chip (bout halfway cooked). :D
Zaphod
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Originally posted by Zaphod
NB - thanks and I like chocolate chip (bout halfway cooked). :D
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Bah girl scout cookies are better. :p
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Aaaaaaaaahhglgurglllleee (Homer Simpson slobbering sound)
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Hoarach posted
Maybe when bish actually stand up to fight rooks. Last 2 nights, bish have not stood up to fight and rooks walk right on in and only thing bish do is pork troops. BORING.
So I think why not maybe knights will stand up for themselves and fight. NOPE, just more time spent BORING myself.
Doesnt seem that anyone wants to fight these days, just pork. Not sure if its the area or what, because when bish had 5 and 4 the fights were great. Now its like a barren wasteland with no activity. I have seen many times on this map where there have been great furballs. Just seems that bish and knights dont like to fight rooks and just pork troops to keep anything from happening. Just once need a fight to stay going for more then a few minutes.
have you looked at the dars for each country. nits and rooks hit the bish you only see one maybe two dars between the nits and rooks. and besides i shoot you down alot and take your bases alot we dont just take rook or nit bases we take from both countrys. like today took 5 nit bases and 6 rook bases hmmmmmmmm 2 rook bases had no uppers and same as 1 of the nits base no uppers you aint the only one to complain about this there is some like you in every country
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
Hoarach posted
Maybe when bish actually stand up to fight rooks. Last 2 nights, bish have not stood up to fight and rooks walk right on in and only thing bish do is pork troops. BORING.
So I think why not maybe knights will stand up for themselves and fight. NOPE, just more time spent BORING myself.
Doesnt seem that anyone wants to fight these days, just pork. Not sure if its the area or what, because when bish had 5 and 4 the fights were great. Now its like a barren wasteland with no activity. I have seen many times on this map where there have been great furballs. Just seems that bish and knights dont like to fight rooks and just pork troops to keep anything from happening. Just once need a fight to stay going for more then a few minutes.
have you looked at the dars for each country. nits and rooks hit the bish you only see one maybe two dars between the nits and rooks. and besides i shoot you down alot and take your bases alot we dont just take rook or nit bases we take from both countrys. like today took 5 nit bases and 6 rook bases hmmmmmmmm 2 rook bases had no uppers and same as 1 of the nits base no uppers you aint the only one to complain about this there is some like you in every country
lol nits don't fight rooks lol 607 kills of rooks 200 bish as a nit and i'm sure other nits can break your thought process...................Eve ry side swears other 2 don't fight thats how you can tell they do.
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Originally posted by rod367th
lol nits don't fight rooks lol 607 kills of rooks 200 bish as a nit and i'm sure other nits can break your thought process...................Eve ry side swears other 2 don't fight thats how you can tell they do.
i will post a snapshoot next time i am on
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Doesnt seem that anyone wants to fight these days, just pork. Not sure if its the area or what, because when bish had 5 and 4 the fights were great. Now its like a barren wasteland with no activity. I have seen many times on this map where there have been great furballs. Just seems that bish and knights dont like to fight rooks and just pork troops to keep anything from happening. Just once need a fight to stay going for more then a few minutes.
It's not that countries dont want to fight as much as field spacing. When you saw the great furballs how far apart were the bases? Once you get out of the area where there are a few close bases nobody fights or furballs for that matter.
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
i will post a snapshoot next time i am on
screen shoots of radar can mean nothing. just because you see a small bar. doesn't mean there isn't 10 or more guys hitting base. I.E. gvs don't show on dar. Is there times that rooks and nits don't fight sure same as there is times rook-bish don't or bish -nit.
Can't tell you how many times. I've heard on 200 so so's not fighting just to look at map see more of my team fighting team their not fighting according to the whiner on 200, I all so look at % in air or ground over how many just in tower. Its amazing that most times people think others don't fight is when its near a reset race. of course then they both hitting 1 team.
p.s. any side at any time could take map screen and use it to say others .not fighting.
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Could care less about base taking. But its when a country just porks to end a fight to take a base which is boring. Last night was a good furball with knights and knights go and pork fhs. Bish did the same when they had a cv off shore, was a good fight and they go and pork fhs.
Many players are bypassing fights just to pork fhs and anything else they can hit and ruin other peoples' fun just to take a base. Then they say were trying to win the war and you must contribute your part. What do we do, wait 2 hours for a goon and the base comes up full, goon die, and start the whole process agan.
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Rod367th. I agree that the dar bar does not include all the "under dar" activity, however it is a far representation of activity along the borders.
I frequently see the Rook/Knight border with 3 to 4 partial dar bars and maybe 1 full dar. Along Knight/Bish 3 to 4 partial and 3 to 4 full dar bars. The same along Rook/Bish line. And this doesn't show all the "Under Dar" activity either.
To say it doesn't exits is turning a blind eye to the facts. By admission, both Rooks and Knights on "200" admittedly attack the under dog. Bishops. This is nothing new. This has happened for years. We are not saying that Rooks and Knights don't have some great battles. You forget that not so long ago, we were Knights as well.
But when there is twice as much dar activity between Knights and Bishops and Rooks and Bishops as there is between Rooks and Knights, (not including "Under Dar" activity), it is far to say that there are that many more aircraft battling in that area.
You can call the sky green all you want. That does not change what is.
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