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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: HaHa on December 18, 2000, 12:24:00 AM
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Would it be possible to increase this to 16 or even 32 ? It's really hard to get a game going that you want to spend more than 10mins on with the H2H.
I think the increased popularity with larger H2H servers would be beneficial for HTC overall. I see a lot of paying players prefer the H2H because the action is faster.
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I inquired about something along these lines a while back. I wanted to host my own games for my users up here in Maine and find out about buying a license and such. Nope.
Its fun hosting your own game, especially if the ping times down there at HTC aren't so good.
Hope they reconsider, my checkbook is open!
Paul
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I was thinking the opposite. Id really like to see H2H knocked back to 2 or 4 users at most> this might give people the incentive to pay to play. Or maybe allow those who pay to have a larger H2H arena for paying customers only. We dont get upgrades if HT and crew dont get paid.
Dog out..........
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Would it be possible to increase this to 16 or even 32 ? It's really hard to get a game going that you want to spend more than 10mins on with the H2H.
<cough>
It's called the MA.
We pay so guys like you can play for free, how about you return the favor?
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Wardog always has the wrong ideas....
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*siding with the "wrong" ones* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by HaHa:
It's really hard to get a game going that you want to spend more than 10mins on with the H2H.
Well, I've flown quite a lot in H2H since it was released. And I can tell you that, if you want it, you can have a game.
I recall especially Snoopi H2Hs, when he set A18 and A27 on the standard terrain with historical planes of axis/allied sides.
We then proceed to have more than 2 hours and a half of non-stop fun, probably the best time in H2H I've ever had (I even had a spanish friend flying...but the sucker was in the allied side (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I made him pay for it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
I use to see those kind of H2Hs, you should try the same. Close all fields except two, set historical sides, and do a 4vs4. It can be a bunch of fun.
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lol. INCREASE the H2H capacity? ROFL!
You're insane. How much more do you want for free? I'm with Wardog. Make it 4vs4 max.
-Westy
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agreed, more than 4v4 for non paying customers would be unfair to htc
would be nice if paying users were allowed to host bigger hosts, that only other paying users could join
what do you think of idea #2?
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Hmmm.. zig's idea sounds OK-ish... It's even better for HTC cuz bigger H2Hs won't be taking bandwidth...
On the other hand, if everyone's running H2H servers how soon will we see pay-to-participate events (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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Originally posted by Torque:
Would it be possible to increase this to 16 or even 32 ? It's really hard to get a game going that you want to spend more than 10mins on with the H2H.
<cough>
It's called the MA.
We pay so guys like you can play for free, how about you return the favor?
yup. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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HTH is a marketing tool only. It's there so that folks can try out AH, and then decide if its worth joining on a month-month basis. If it were not a marketing tool, then you'd see AH in the store with a dollar amount attached to it, with a 32-player HTH option (And one of your generic-run-of-the-mill structured career modes)
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Thanks Torque for paying to let me play, but can you pay me direct? $15 sounds ok. And I will promise not to play h2h.
Talking seriously, 8 people in H2H is more than generous, it even possible to play axis/allies and teams, actually that is what MA is for. It is also interesting how good this tool works? How many ex. H2H guys now fly MA? In my expirience it is quite opposite, I see many exMA players in H2H.
Fariz
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Originally posted by Fariz:
In my (experience) it is quite opposite, I see many exMA players in H2H.
Fariz
I travel there for an alternate terrain. One thing is certain, the amount of new players coming in the MA is 10 times over that of those that choose to leave, new names in buffer every day!
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 12-18-2000).]
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...what a bunch of pompous asses....I mean, I have a sense of humor and all but some of you clearly have something firmly impaled where the sun doesn't shine...
I AM a paying member of Aces High (Duh!)...I don't have 3,4 or 12 accounts and sign up a new one when that one times out after 2 weeks like some cheapies I have seen.
I think what the poster meant, and what I was saying is this: Sometimes the connects aren't so good at HTC and frankly, sometimes we'd like to play our own games....I'd be willing to PAY/LICENSE whatever fee to host my own 16 or 32 player game. I didn't say anything about wanting it for free or the like.
Good god, guys....get away from the PC every now and then and mellow! Grabbing a beer and returning doesn't count!
Anyways, from what I've seen, HTC doesn't have an arrangement for what I have mentioned...maybe they will in the future...who knows.
Paul
A Paying Member, thank you!
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Pretty much that's what I meant. Furthermore, with larger H2H servers you get more publicity. IMAGINE if HTC allowed paying users to run any sized server? People could crank up some huge servers running special terrain, special "missions" and other scripting functions.
Essentially larger H2Hs (for paying customers) would give AH what it desparately needs, more variety. Without requiring any of the HTC to do anything other than increasing the H2H limit for paying users.
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I am sure HTC would allow H2H servers that would allow as many players you want, send a cashiers cheque to them for $10,000,000 USD
bet you get your wish (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Well, to all the HTH guys, I have this to say....
HTH is what it is and will never be what LePaul wants it to be.
Sorry Lepaul...perhaps one of the box sims would work out better for those times your connect is porked? Hmmm...never been called a pompous bellybutton before.
Ice
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Hehehheheheee..
H2H is to the MA what methadone is for a heroin addict.
Aside from Lepauls comments, and let me emphasise that I mean this good-naturedly..
PAY UP U BUMS!
Yes, some fly H2H to 'check it out'. Some are 'legit'; workin on new scenario maps, or just want a clean duel enviornment, or a break from MA madness. These guys arn't making any negative statements about HTC's H2H 'free' policy, and they regard the feature as part of the benefits of play fer pay.
Others fly it because they got bent over the pricing test awile back; or got their nads in an uproar over percieved 'negitivity' or whatever. Still others are flying H2H because they love to fly but see a cheap way to beat the system, and are too lazy to contiously scrub the sim from the registry every two weeks and re-register fer another free ride.
Sure.. flame me. I don't give a damn. I paid; have paid, woulda paid sooner if they asked for it and intend to pay in the future. I ain't a cuddlinghunk.. but I do understand the value of work; have a work ethic, and realize that value is the price an object will bring. I value this sim. I wanna see it succeed and grow, garner a larger player base and establish a HA. To do that we need more paying customers.. not more fediddlein freeloaders.
So; IMHO, unless yer payin (like lePaul) don't stick yer paw out to ask for more for free. Take whut they done give yah; say thanks, grovel appropriatly for the kindness being shown you by the givers of this charity and clam up. Or get lost.
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Hang
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Lol - well put man. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Precisely, Hangtime...precisely. You summed it up nicely.
Rooster...silly post, thanks for the humor injection (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I have no idea how much they would want but hey, we offered, they said "Not at this time".
See, what we wanted to do here was physically takeover the local computer cafe late some night, fire up one of the cool maps I've been working on and host a 16 player game. Not only do you have 16 people in the room duking it out (even been hit with a Beer can in an intense Quake match? hehe) but with the net connection, we would have room for those that wanted to join from the outside.
Ice: Never say never...why are you opposed to such a thought? Yea, you're right...why fly, all the materials are heavier than air, it'll never work, right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I understand how you guys that pay feel...I get a bit annoyed when someone who has only played the 2 week demo stomps in here demanding this and that be free. And we dutifully flame that user too. But that's not the case here....
Thanks!
Paul
"I love it when a plan comes together"
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LePaul...
It's just that HTC and Aces High is not about a HTH free thing but rather an enterprise for profit...perhaps thats why I don't understand why you feel HTH should be expanded to accomodate the few rather than the MA to support the many (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nuff Said!
Ice
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Ice....what do you not understand...
I want to PAY whatever fee HTC deems worthy to host my own, private game. Why oh why oh why is that so absurd to offer a lot of money for such an item?
You whine people dont pay. I pay and want to give them more money to host a private game...what don't you understand?
Was your diploma signed by Sally Struthers? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[Lots of silly humor intended....]
Cya OnLine!
Paul
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I had a picture of her captioned:
JUST PUT DOWN THE FORK AND STEP AWAY FROM THE PLATE!
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I'm all for what you want LePaul. It wouldn't do any harm that I could think of. But it's quite different from my perception of what the originator of this topic was asking for. He wanted more, for free and so he could have more fun.
-Westy
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This game should be free I think, who else?
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Great idea Putz! So great in fact I think you should start an entirely new post stating that exact same rediculous troll.
Oh... you already did. Nevermind.
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YEEESH read my freaking second post Westy before you say that crap. More for free - don't be silly.
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Permitting paying users the ability to host large closed games... hmm leads to someone crackin the code and Aces dyin a quick death due to ppl sayin.. hmm y pay, i can play free!!
8 ppl is enough!! most boxed sims these days don't permit much more than 8, and ya gotta shell out the $$ fer the sim as well as all yer "friends".
There are other terrains and arenas available to paying customers now, and i'm willing to bet there will be other alternative arenas to come in the future.
Don't like 4 on 4? PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've flown perhaps 3 H2H sessions in the last 6 months. I have been a payin customer for 2.5 months roughly.. HATE H2H +) I can go fly EAW, or CFS2 fer that..
AKskurj
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I think an interesting variation of this would be cool.
PAYING costomers can host up to 32 players
BUT!
ONLY other PAYING players can play on any H2H game that is set for over 8 ppl, get what I sayin?
I.E> if you are a paying costomer you can set you h2h game to hold over 8 ppl, however if you are a non paying costomer you cannot play on a host that is set to accomadate over 8 ppl.
It would be a good business choice because.
A: The game would be MUCH more diverse.
B:People could make use of the badass maps that keep coming out.
C:There could be historical scenarios without HTC having to bust their bellybutton to let us play them.
Bottom line is that would it could appeal to a broader range of tastes and thats good business and good for players alike.
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I pay, but I also value the H2H a lot. It allows me to play in duels like the one we had with LLv34, using custom-made terrains. Since, the MA, TA, and SEA covers little of what interests me(Russian front), then H2H allows me to make up what does.
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5 GIAP VVS-KA, Knights (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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LePaul...
I'll try again....what I fail to understand is why you are so upset that HTC won't accept your offer of more money...do you honestly think their business model was born to cash flow in the manner you desire? Sure, it would be great if we always got our way, but that's not a sensible outlook eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Bye
Otto
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Groan...Ice...you're bringing a knife to a gun fight, ole buddy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Your parents must of had the hardest time explaining the birds and the bees to you...heheheh j/k!
Wobble has taken the idea I had one step further. That would be cool if that were the case, Wobble, but again the problem is that its drawing users away from the HTC servers...and obviously they need the subscribers and connections to keep the company going.
Thus why I inquired about the licensing fee. I pay licensing fees for various things I have on my website, for example the chat server for over 1000 users at a time, I have to pay X amount. Another example, I have an adult area on my system, and all the images and models get their fair share...thus I pay a fee for the CD the images are on, and a yearly licensing fee.
So you see, this licensing thing isnt evil. The people that make the software get their money, and the endusers get to use it to offer it down to their consumers.
At any rate, we seem to be divided between 2 camps here...one side that thinks this is a pretty cool idea and wonders what HTC will offer in the future. Or, the other half that is absolutely bent if you ponder, daydream or intend to ever play anything but in the Main Arena. <shrug>
Paul
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I have an adult area on my system, and all the images and models get their fair share... Does this mean free porn for your AH buddies?????????
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LePaul,
They would have to be paying costomers to host these games or to join them, so how would HTC suffer in any way? everybody is still paying for the service.
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Heh.. I was about to say that same what TheWobble said.
Since we all login into H2H through HTC whether we wanted or not, there could be as well done 32 player H2H for paying customers, since they are identified through HTC anyways.
Benefit?
Since HTC most surely won't put up maps created by others, where do they play their maps then?
in H2H with just 4 vs 4? sounds boring.
It would be very simple and easy task to do (as mentioned above, you play H2H by logging first into HTC servers, whether you wanted or not).
I don't believe there would be a loss either... or where would that probable loss come from?
from more satisfied customers?
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Torque you are a bad, bad man (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
(Wander on over to my site...www.checksix.net)
Fishu, you see what I mean! I've seen some HUGE Pacific maps...but only 4 players? Tsk tsk...get 16 or more in there and THEN it becomes a war rather than a skirmish (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Paul
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Since HTC most surely won't put up maps created by others, where do they play their maps then?
Did you hear anyone from HTC say that Fishu?
Paul I think there is a security issue here, who is to say that the server program doesn't get hacked from your puter and slapped onto a Warez site. I think those two week charlie lurkers are looking just for that opportunity.
Torque you are a bad, bad man LOL I'm not the one with the server hehe kidding. I find that more than 2 GIGs of porn on HD seriously distorts flight models in AH.
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 12-19-2000).]