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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mano on February 24, 2006, 06:09:56 PM
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Quick Question:
Will AH ever do a WWI sim? You guys created the ol' Dawn of Aces sim and it was an absolute blast.
Thanks,
Mano
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Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee Mano!!!!!
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I used to fly DOA, it was a blast, especially flying an observation plane and typing in coordinates for artillery to hit. I flew WB for awhile but once I tried DOA I never went back until AH came out.
for the furballers out there, I think a WW1 sim would be the epitomy of the art.
kind of which HT would consider it, I know I would enjoy it throughly
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Need a Vietnam sim from them, Would be sweet A:huh s:huh s
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outbreak,
Thank you for supporting the Aces High - Vietnam agenda. :)
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Originally posted by outbreak
Need a Vietnam sim from them, Would be sweet A:huh s:huh s
If you come across a copy of "Wings over vietnam", check it out... lots of fun.
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Originally posted by Mano
Quick Question:
Will AH ever do a WWI sim? You guys created the ol' Dawn of Aces sim and it was an absolute blast.
Thanks,
Mano
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I very much doubt it.
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Remember the plans for AW Vietnam?? =) I wish they would have lasted long enough to produce that game.
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AH - Korea would be fun....
I think that with prop planes & 1st gen Jets would be a blast
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Jets are overrated and them heat tracking missles. Nothing beats an ol' prop plane and them blazing guns.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Jets are overrated and them heat tracking missles. Nothing beats an ol' prop plane and them blazing guns.
i agree, i think it is more enjoyabl when you really need to work for kills. making radar and heat seeking stuff do it for you is a little lame.
i would however LOVE to see a ww1 flight sim
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They need to model an F-14B and perk it at 30,000 perks. :)
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Jets are overrated and them heat tracking missles. Nothing beats an ol' prop plane and them blazing guns.
aye, I have zero interest in jet sims... locking missiles = ZZzZZzZzzz
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I don't think Vietnam-era missiles were as good as they are today. And, the best equipment could be left out of the sim.
Would be great to be catapulted off a carrier in a Phantom with a operational, live REO to fly missions with--all online.
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Originally posted by Enduro
I don't think Vietnam-era missiles were as good as they are today. And, the best equipment could be left out of the sim.
Would be great to be catapulted off a carrier in a Phantom with a operational, live REO to fly missions with--all online.
they're called RIO's, radar interception officer :p j/k :D
im not sure. i think, the more technology involved, the less work you need to do. now, in real life, thats great, but for a game, where we are paying for fun, it is often more fun to do stuff the hard way
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a human rio should be optional in a jet sim with 2 seaters. Lock-on commie creators are too lazy to code a rio into the game so they wont model an F14. They also think that people will always want the front seat. another reason for not doing any 2 seat planes.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
a human rio should be optional in a jet sim with 2 seaters. Lock-on commie creators are too lazy to code a rio into the game so they wont model an F14. They also think that people will always want the front seat. another reason for not doing any 2 seat planes.
i hear ya. i'm sure the RIO (thanks, pooface. lol) would be geared more towards mission-motivated...keep it as real as you can...squadrons, like the squad I'm in.
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Air Warrior had a Korean War arena and a WWI arena. The WWII arenas were vastly more popular.
The problem with Korean War jet combat was that it took forever to have a dogfight. Ranges were often huge, and at such high speeds, at a human's g limit, it takes a long time to do 360 degrees compared to WWII dogfights. Saddling up took a long time but lasted only briefly, and then you'd have your shot at about 1000 yards. Almost no one flew in that arena. Vietnam would be in many ways worse, with even larger ranges to target. Also, in the jet theaters, you don't have much variety in aircraft.
The problem with WWI combat was mainly that everything was a turnfight with little tiny maneuving radii, needing your forward-up view, but you can't see squat in your forward-up view because of the wing in your way. So, you follow what you think is the enemy, get a brief view of him (maybe for a shot) as your view between your gunsight and upper wing zooms past him. Finding that he did a maneuver you couldn't see while he was blocked by your upper wing, you correct into another tight-radius move, and so on. It was more popular than Korean War, but really, the upshot of it all is:
In my opinion, WWII is the golden age of aerial combat and is vastly superior in fun and excitement to any other era of air combat. It has the best mix of speed, maneuvering, range, visibility, variety of aircraft, and whatever undefinable attributes that give air combat its feeling of excitement and gusto.
So, rather than HTC adding theaters for WWI, Korea, or Vietnam, I'd rather they just kept adding to the WWII aspects.
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If you want to fly WWI style, fight in Vals.
~rat
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If only for dueling we can get a pair of biplanes like Fokker D7 and SE5a, just for fun, i whis it will hapens sometime.
Salute all, pasao
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Some great posts here. I appreciate your comments. Just curious though.....what is Vals?
I just think it would be fun to have another WWI sim available.
Big to all,
Mano
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Originally posted by Mano
Some great posts here. I appreciate your comments. Just curious though.....what is Vals?
I just think it would be fun to have another WWI sim available.
Big to all,
Mano
d3a1
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It's called Black Shark.
http://www.lockon.ru/index.php?end_pos=950&scr=default&lang=en
I D/L'd the beta last night, gonna check it out as soon as I get home from work. 2 hours and 12 minutes ;p
g00b
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mano, you from Richthofens skies? the pig stompers are my squads sworn enemy, were the 95th kicking mules! RS is doing great alot of people cant handle the learning curve tho, DOA had htcs trademark relaxed realism elements that made for a very fun game, RS is hardcore in terms of realism, most people cant handle having to hold their joystick sideways to compensate for the camels insane torque, and lack of trim. The true joys and pitfals of the Fokker EIII make most people run for another sim. Once technology catches up, and lag becomes less of an issue because of the close combat, WWI will have its silver age.
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Gimme My DR1!
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SPAD XIII !
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Originally posted by Bombardy
for the furballers out there, I think a WW1 sim would be the epitomy of the art.
kind of which HT would consider it, I know I would enjoy it throughly
Hi Mano.....been a long time. S! Sir
I spoke to Hitech a few years back about this topic and it was very apparent that WWI would never happen at HitechCreations. He was very clear that he had no interest in WWI and seeing he is the developer, you can take that to the bank.
I do agree that the AH game engine, developed with WWI aircraft, would be a TOTAL blast. I miss flying my DR1.
Maybe if HT receives enough interest (emails) on this topic, he might reconsider but as it looks right now, hitechcreations will only be WWII. :cry
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I keep fantasizing that HTC will release some dev tools and we can go nuts making WWI and Korean era aircraft. We have the talent in the community.
g00b
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but, but...there weren't any F4 Phantoms in Korea! :cry
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Originally posted by Enduro
but, but...there weren't any F4 Phantoms in Korea! :cry
The current game engine supports everything we need from WWI to Korean era. Vietnam and further would need code for radar, missles, supersonic flight, etc...
Play Lock On for your missle jockey kicks. I do :)
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Good to see some familiar faces again
AH2 is packed every night because it is popular. No way to argue with that. There is so much to do in there. You can turn fight, BnZ, Buff, and even take a boat ride. Adding a WWI sim in another arena would attrack another 100 to 200 pilots every night. Nothing wrong with more revenue. :)
Thanks,
Mano
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Originally posted by Mano
Good to see some familiar faces again
AH2 is packed every night because it is popular. No way to argue with that. There is so much to do in there. You can turn fight, BnZ, Buff, and even take a boat ride. Adding a WWI sim in another arena would attrack another 100 to 200 pilots every night. Nothing wrong with more revenue. :)
Thanks,
Mano
Could not agree more. Now all we need to do is convince Hitech. :aok
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ww1 is a furballers dream... bases are always close, planes leave ground nearly ready to fight with anyone else. no real alt monkeys... balloons to pop... lots of .30 cal madness!
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I'd like to see some other era of aerial combat, be it WWI or Vietnam. I like them all, each of them has his own peculiar way of combat, I'd like to try them all.
Unfortunately, I think we'll have to search for other sims... Targetware has good WWI and Korea environment and they planned to make a Vietnam add on, but it seems it's dead now... maybe you can bring it back to life, Enduro? :)
Poo, you make things too easy with modern combat planes... try some good sim like Falcon or Lomac and you'll see it's not that easy.... ;)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
They need to model an F-14B and perk it at 30,000 perks. :)
So only you and levi get jets? I call "no fair" :furious
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Man o man, I remember those duels in AW WWI, like they were yesterday! That was a very cool arena, I thought. Completely different handling characteristics and somewhat different tactics involved than in the WWII arena.
sigh....those were sure fun times. The crowd that flew there were different, too.
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I remember shooting down a F-86 in a Sopwith Camel:t :rofl
I can't remember why the the arena was setup like that, but it was fun!
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Originally posted by Pooface
i agree, i think it is more enjoyabl when you really need to work for kills. making radar and heat seeking stuff do it for you is a little lame.
i would however LOVE to see a ww1 flight sim
It's obvious to me you guys have very little idea of how effective the
early air-air missiles were. Heck the early AIM-7 Sparrows were nicknamed
"The Great White Hope", and the early Aim-9 Sidewinders could be
distracted by the sun for pete's sake.
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They were so effective that they had to develop a 20mm gun pod for the F-4, which was itself a spray-and-pray temporary solution.
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I would KILL for an up-to-date sim using todays graphics that is dedicated to the F-14B like falcon4 a/f is dedicated to the F-16. KILL i say.
I know it has posible to create an AI rio. You could, while flying from the front seat, feed the AI rio commands, most of which could be set up as macros.
I dont buy this crap lomac is feeding the public about two seat planes and how it wouldnt be cost effective to add and code one into fully flyable. grrrr I need it!
Black shark will most likely keep me from getting any sleep for a couple of weeks. But they better do a US chopper. The little commies.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I would KILL for an up-to-date sim using todays graphics that is dedicated to the F-14B like falcon4 a/f is dedicated to the F-16. KILL i say.
I know it has posible to create an AI rio. You could, while flying from the front seat, feed the AI rio commands, most of which could be set up as macros.
I dont buy this crap lomac is feeding the public about two seat planes and how it wouldnt be cost effective to add and code one into fully flyable. grrrr I need it!
Black shark will most likely keep me from getting any sleep for a couple of weeks. But they better do a US chopper. The little commies.
Testing Black Shark now, the clickable cockpit is INSANE. I'll be able to fly the real deal when I get this thing thing figured out. I think, there may be an f-16 in it too :) Still no true F-14 though you can mod the sim to fly it with an F-15 flight model and cockpit.
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I fail to see any point on making an online WW1 simulation.
Been there, done that, they all failed.
There was a WW1 arena and planes for already Air Warrior. Those arenas were primarily empty.
Red Baron 3D did somewhat ok for some time. But flopped financially.
Dawn of Aces (I/II/III) were financial failures. After the initial phase there were only a couple dozen people playing those actively.
A World War I online sim sounds nice, but in the end people don't pay for it. Therefore there's little sense in making one.
Fly Richthofen's Skies if you want WW1 online multiplayer sim. It's there, free. And because it is being run as a community project, not as commercial product, it will be developed and supported.
http://www.richthofens-skies.com/
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You are wrong about that. For starters, AW simply had a few WW1 a/c modelled as an add on, not as a stand alone sim, secondly, Warbirds dropped any serious development (read $ money) from its setup, and so DoA never got the backing it deserved.
Thats like saying because AW had a F-86 and MiG-15 that they tried a Korean war sim.
Nobody has yet come out with a stand alone WW1 sim, designed that way from the ground up, and backed by some hard cash. They have all been player developed, add-ons, or boxed sims like Red Baron, converted to be online games. DoA was the closest, and they didnt follow through with it, after IEN decided to stop developing and just sit there and rake in the money (worked for awhile, but that strategy is a doomed one long term).
I beleive a WW1 sim will come out at some point, and it will be popular. My guess is it will come from Europe, since N. American developers cant seem to get intererested in in anything nowdays except PS2 and XBOX games for 9 year olds.
"I hate that game my planey keeps spinning mommy". "Try Supertrack Need For Speed 2 sweety, your sister likes it"... God help us.
As for Jet Sims, they have their place, but are hamstrung by this notion that if they arent about the F-22 Raptor or JSF that they wont get attention.
Its all very sad, so much we could have, but that just is not pursued. I hear Star Wars "Empire At War" has a Death Star though? kewl.
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Originally posted by g00b
Testing Black Shark now, the clickable cockpit is INSANE. I'll be able to fly the real deal when I get this thing thing figured out. I think, there may be an f-16 in it too :) Still no true F-14 though you can mod the sim to fly it with an F-15 flight model and cockpit.
PMMMMMMMMMMMM me PAAAAAAALLLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Good post Squire........you seem to understand what happened to the WWI sims really well. As Capera posted.......maybe we can convince HiTech to make a WWI sim from the ground up. RS is a good sim, very real indeed, but the learning curve is so steep, many new players give up right away.
C ya up there,
Mano :aok
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Id love to see a WW1 version of AH and a Korea one as well... but nothing later then that because then its all electronics and no flying...
WW1 is a great setup but there is a problem with it and that is economy. Its hard to get economy out of a WW1 sim simply because its a small niche genre with not many followers.
I think there are two reasons that WW1 aint as popular as WW2.
First of all its the simple fact that its much harder to fly WW1. Requiring more skill means less dweebs which means less dough for HTC...
Second is that WW2 gets much more exposure via history books (I think all countries have much bigger history lesson focus in school on WW2 then WW1), media (film, games, tv, history channel) focus much more on WW2 then WW1. WW2 in the air is portraid more as "war of the machines" while WW1 is portraid more as "war of the aces". When we grow up the machines are much more facinating. WW2 has the cool machines, its got the muscle cars of the skies. We grow up wanting to fly the machines which we read about, see in movies and see on tv. I think this is much more common then growing up and wanting to fly against the Red Baron, Blue Max and the other aces of WW1.
Tex
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I believe you are mistaken, it was not HTC that made DOA but its counterpart IENT that still markets DOA and is still perfectly playable for a fee. if you want to try your hand at a FREE WW I Simulator I recomend you try going to http://www.targetware.net and grabing the RS mod for TW. I saw a few AH players refering to RS. so if your wondering about that then the link provided will shine more light on that topic. Also note that DOA is found on http://www.ient.com
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Originally posted by Squire
Nobody has yet come out with a stand alone WW1 sim, designed that way from the ground up, and backed by some hard cash.
Wrong. For example Flying Circus was an attempt to make a online WW1 sim from the grounds up. It was good, enjoyable and died the moment the developers tried to charge money for it.
Red Baron 3D was excellent WW1 online sim as well, and it did run at the Sierra Network for a long time. Yet, it died as well.
On more recent grounds, there was a fantastic offline-WW1 sim being done by a small US studio, can't remember its name now, my notes are at the office. I think it died off last year.
Currently Gennadich studio is making a WW1 sim called Knights of the Sky, and it looks nice. But offline, primarily.
But anyway, there's been serious attempts on online WW1 sims, and those have failed. Even Dawn of Aces, when it was fresh and well supported, with steady development, died early death when players moved back to WW2 arenas. It still exists, in its 3rd major version, or is it Dawn of Aces 2006 these days. Yet, it is tiny niche and doesn't attract any meaningful number of pilots.
WW1 online sims just don't have enough sex appeal for any longer periods, and developing one is a good way to waste money.
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"For example Flying Circus was an attempt"
Sure, on a shoestring budget maybe.
I said hard cash, meaning some serious money, not a boxed conversion like RB3D or a player made sim turned online, or a few planes tacked on to the end of a WW2 sim ala AW.
Could be your right and its not a market thats workable, but I wish somebody would at least come out with a good boxed sim if nothing else. I will settle for that. Too bad really, WW1 is very challenging and interesting, imho.
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Originally posted by CV_ToMCaT_CO
I believe you are mistaken, it was not HTC that made DOA but its counterpart IENT
Technically, you are correct. In point of fact, the people that created DOA are now HTC. IENT was their parent company at the time.
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Jets with air brakes rule!!!! Guns Guns Guns :D
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new aces high game based on around Desert storm and the current conflict?
Title example
ACES HIGH : Desert Assualt
ACES HIGH : Desert Conflict
:aok
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How about some WWI planes in the DA so that people can at least duel in them. Seems like an easy way to address this question. I would certainly be for it.
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Originally posted by MajWoody
How about some WWI planes in the DA so that people can at least duel in them. Seems like an easy way to address this question. I would certainly be for it.
With the current DA (killshooter) it would take about 30 min to get to a fight...
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Seem's to me that a WWI planeset would do fine in a Combat Tour style environment.... a player-based design community would surely take care of the planeset.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Deth7
Jets with air brakes rule!!!! Guns Guns Guns :D
Your MiG suxxors, my Sabre rools U!!!111 :)
culero
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
new aces high game based on around Desert storm and the current conflict?
Title example
ACES HIGH : Desert Assualt
ACES HIGH : Desert Conflict
:aok
Seeing at how many flying targets the USAF shoots down... this one will be for building battlers only!
No thanks.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Seeing at how many flying targets the USAF shoots down... this one will be for building battlers only!
No thanks.
if they based it around the first gulf war there would be aerial dogfights
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I think most of those Air to Air kills were of aircraft running to Iran.
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Oh pee 51s... I see :D
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Well I for one would LOVE a WWI sim like DoA, there is group of guys out there that have modded the old Red Baron game but they cannot acquire the game code from the now defunct Sierra to fix things and make it work better with the newer faster machines.
My point is that there seems to be a market for it and it might take some of the prime time pressure off the MA.
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Originally posted by Tumor
Seem's to me that a WWI planeset would do fine in a Combat Tour style environment.... a player-based design community would surely take care of the planeset.
Tumor
Yup, it's there already:
http://www.richthofens-skies.com/
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....the only thing needed for WWI action is two fields close together, couple canvis and wood planes...and a few brave pilots to take 'em up. Same flight engine, same terrain....same everything :)
I can imagine 400 guys up in the WWI skies having fun.
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From the "About Us" section, emphasis is mine:
HiTech Creations was founded with a simple philosophy by Dale "HiTech" Addink in 1999. It's not to create a large corporation, a vast gaming network, or a line of online games. It's just to create one game, but one that is better than any other like it. Contrary to most companies, our goal is to keep the company small. We know that with a singular focus and an experienced cohesive team that enjoys its work, the production, service, support, and overall level of satisfaction will be unmatched.
pretty much sums up HTCs stance on that one i think
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I used to fly in the old AW WWI and Korea arenas sometimes as a diversion (more in WWI than Korea) sort of like I do now in EW and MW (more in EW than MW). They really weren't ever very populated (sort of like EW and MW now).
That said I miss the WWI birds and the tight combat. My vote is yes.
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-----EDIT----
Nevermind
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Ah, a thread resurrected from the grave. What was a year old is new again.........
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DOH!
You aint kidding from 3/06 to 3/07
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I've love to see a Korean War era online sim... something like the old Mig Alley
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Trouble is .. ww1 aircraft, barely flying as it is .. not enough hp - Korean theatre = alt monkey, and that's how it was fought too. WWII kites hit the sweet spot.
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Originally posted by MotleyCH
I remember shooting down a F-86 in a Sopwith Camel:t :rofl
I can't remember why the the arena was setup like that, but it was fun!
In the waning days of AW4W, the arena would sometimes be set to enable all planes, WW1 through Korea in the Small Euro arena. Was a blast fighting a Sopwith Camel and Mig 15's in a P-38.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Squire
but I wish somebody would at least come out with a good boxed sim if nothing else. I will settle for that. Too bad really, WW1 is very challenging and interesting, imho.
Rowan's Flying Corps is still the best WW1 boxed sim.
ack-ack
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Korea would probably have the best chance to work as it's really just a carry over from WW2. F-51s, F4Us etc to go with the early jets. ILs Yaks and LAs for the NKAF with those Chinese and Russian Migs
Then the A26 makes sense and the B29 since the Migs could get to them so well.
Mud moving in F-84Es and F-80s along with the Navy jets and props would be a different world.
Update the T-34 to a T34/85 for North Korea and add an M4E8 Sherman.
I remember one AW scenario where we did Korea and I had a ball leading the 18th FBW in F51Ds. We augered a lot of Migs who were going too fast coming down on our F51s and couldn't pull out :)
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Whats all this horse-crap about jets fighting at huge distances and not being able to dogfight?
In the Korean War, planes still fired from about 200 yards at each other
During Vietnam, there were still huge roving dogfights. Engagements beyond visual range were the rare exception.
Same for today. Pilots still go out and practice dogfighting. In the U.S., F-15 pilots are the best at it, as thats all they train for.
The thought that you stand off at long range, fire some missles, and kill your opponent is flawed, and it got alot of our planes shot down in Vietnam. If the initial missles miss, your in for a dogfight.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Korea would probably have the best chance to work as it's really just a carry over from WW2. F-51s, F4Us etc to go with the early jets. ILs Yaks and LAs for the NKAF with those Chinese and Russian Migs
Then the A26 makes sense and the B29 since the Migs could get to them so well.
Mud moving in F-84Es and F-80s along with the Navy jets and props would be a different world.
Update the T-34 to a T34/85 for North Korea and add an M4E8 Sherman.
I remember one AW scenario where we did Korea and I had a ball leading the 18th FBW in F51Ds. We augered a lot of Migs who were going too fast coming down on our F51s and couldn't pull out :)
Here's an idea I like. :aok The best of both worlds.
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Wow............I didn't realize a whole year went by........ :rolleyes:
(http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/ju_bounce.jpg)
Just curious how many out there would like to fly some WWI planes?
HTC does a great job with AH, but it would be nice to see a few biplanes
added to the plane set. :)
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Originally posted by g00b
Testing Black Shark now, the clickable cockpit is INSANE. I'll be able to fly the real deal when I get this thing thing figured out. I think, there may be an f-16 in it too :) Still no true F-14 though you can mod the sim to fly it with an F-15 flight model and cockpit.
So how do you think Black Shark will go with this setup goob http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=200031
:P
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ww1 would be fun but as many said before i dont think it will happen
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HTC could add a WW1 furball arena pretty ez I would think. Like Mano or somebody said it would be ez to imagine, just from the WW1 addicts Ive know over the years, that with the service and support that HTC is famous for, it could draw a few hundred players at least. that would be the ticket to making a WW1 multiplayer arena finally work. Thats whats killed it EVERY time. No support, no consistant customer support! I flew Air Warrior, Dawn of Aces, Red Baron, all of em. The men that made the first Dawn of Aces came the closest. Unfortunately for us, but fortunately for them, They left IEN and started HTC. Given time RS may evolve into a fine sim. Volunteers and time are not always compatible and as time passes the technology ceases to be current and that has an affect on the viability of the game. Its so hard for volunteers to keep up. Tho what they do is awesome.
Like I said. We dont have to have a huge interworking layout like WW2. Just a simple dang furball arena over a stagnant front with stats and scores tracked. (which is what WW1 was most of the time) How tuff could it be to support something like that from an allready existing sim corporation. Especially one as fine and efficiently run as HTC?
~AirDvl~:t
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If y'all would start w/ the link under HT's sig you might have a shot at convincing him.......................... ............................. ............................. .
But it might take a WHOLE lot of convincing!
:D
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Originally posted by Mano
Wow............I didn't realize a whole year went by........ :rolleyes:
Just curious how many out there would like to fly some WWI planes?
HTC does a great job with AH, but it would be nice to see a few biplanes
added to the plane set. :)
I shure would! Sqeeeeee Mano! S!
Out of all of the names mentioned thus far, none are MMP WWI online flightsims. DOA II was very popular, and had many squads, events , scorepages and a great following. Then its owners in thier obvious infinite business wisdom (look at thier other dying products) killed it with DOA III .
I'd even pay another 15 bucks a month for it if it were a seperate entitiy.
S!
ofmysx
AOD }i{
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Why not just add some bi-planes. there were pleanty that served in wwii. Swordfish, I-15, Cr. 42 ect..
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Brooke, You just put the whole thing in a nutshell.
I never met a plane I didn't like and indeed, I came here 6 years ago from Falcon 4.0 and the F16 melts my heart the same way the P51 does with perfect lines and inspiring performance......But.....You're right, AH has the best mix of all the acm skills packed into a relativly short time span.
Maybe they could toss a MIG and F86 into the AVA or DA as a special event or even the WWI scene but they have a pretty full plate just riding this tiger and the fact that I'm still here 6 years after joining and having a blast says they're doing something right. :-)
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Tis a shame... I loved Red Baron and RB3d.
WW1 is fading fast as time passes, if noone rises to the challenge soon, it will be all but forgotten.
I would definitely fly in a WW1 arena
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RedBaron was where I got my start online - I might add we all treated each other with courtesy because that was one of the things that WWI aviators were known for (At least early in the war)