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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tumor on October 09, 2001, 11:16:00 PM
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Who's sick of hearing that this or that country has "decided not to speak out"? (primarily those in the Middle East) Who's sick of hearing Muslim's on talk radio call in and say "Oh gosh we are peaceful, but the U.S. brought this on themselves"?? Well I've had about freekin enough. First of all...if your Muslim living in the U.S. and even entertain the thought that the U.S. deserved this roadkill..GET THE HELL OUT AND GO HOME!! Sorry guyz but I've about had it...never would have thought I'd think this way but I for one am about ready to say F*CKIT...break out the Nukes and lay waste to these freekin loser's.
Tumor
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There's a big difference between the fundamental beliefs this country was based on and the way people would like to make it.
"Get the hell out and go home!!" fits into one of those two categories. People don't always like the things that make a country great.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
There's a big difference between the fundamental beliefs this country was based on and the way people would like to make it.
"Get the hell out and go home!!" fits into one of those two categories. People don't always like the things that make a country great.
AKDejaVu
Pick a side Deja...nuff said
Tumor
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I am happy that Russian nationalist and just left/commie journalists don't read this board. Translating such posts and publishing them in "Zavtra" or "Soviet Russia" will save the time they spend searching for anti-american propaganda. Column called "Face the enemy".
Tumor, sorry, how old are you?
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I believe the frustration level is increasing. The US has to play by the rules but our enemy doesn't!! There are some 5000 souls who cry out from their graves. Our answer has been weak to say the least.
I don't understand the culture where Islam breeds. I will never understand that culture and have no desire to understand it. I only see the result of that culture's beliefs and it wants to deal me and the western world death. I find that intolerable.
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"I don't understand the culture where Islam breeds. I will never understand that culture and have no desire to understand it. "
And it's exactly that kind of attitude that causes hatred & racism.
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There is no hatred here in the US for the Islamic culture. There is the result of that culture, 91101. Why would I want to understand a culture that has "death to the infidels" as its rally and I'm an Infidel.
Where does the intolerance really lie, I say in the Islamic culture. Look how they treat each other!! No, they have nothing worth while to teach the western culture until they understand that theirs isn't the only way!!
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Thanks, you just proved my point.
Daff
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Yea, we deserved Pearl Harbor too right? I mean it would be fine to say "Hey! We had it coming... diddly you America".
You people are pathatic. There is NOTHING wrong with free speech but there comes a time to stand togather or get the diddly out. I fail to see how ANY salamander can sit back and say those 5000+ had it coming. Mass murder is mass murder... period. diddly them and and ANYBODY that even remotely say's "WE HAD IT COMING". This friggen nation does more for other nations that they often do for thier selves.
I hope that Mr Bin laden and the rest of his followers die hard. I hope the squeaks that say "we had it coming" get thiers as well in some form. I hope I'm on the street and get to hear some salamander say that so I can do a night in jail on assult charges. You yellow bellies that support some salamander saying that sort of thing are NO better than the guy spouting off at the mouth about it.
Get a pair you freaking losers.
xBAT
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Guys, Daff is anti-gun socialist and Boroda an alcoholic that 'lives in the past' (prior to 1991)...so they are outside the circle of "Unity" that the rest of the world falls in, don't let them get your panties in a bunch.
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Daff, why don't you post where you are from? I assume you live in a trendy west coast all white liberal community. The only point you have made so far is the one at the top of your head :)
We need to put you in uniform and allow you to go "reason" with our Arab borthers in the Middle East :)
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Daff is from England.
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Daff, are you willing to go to the middle east and "reason" with our Arabs brothers? Don't forget your Bible when ya go. I'm sure they will want to read it just as you want to read the Koran. That Afgan Mulla will be more then happy to invite ya to their stadium :)
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LOL, Daff's an atheist too guys, give it up.
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"Daff, why don't you post where you are from? I assume you live in a trendy west coast all white liberal community."
You assume alot, eh?.
I live in London, in a multi-ethnic community.
"We need to put you in uniform and allow you to go "reason" with our Arab borthers in the Middle East "
Which Arabs? All of them?...should all Muslims be nuked, just because you dont understand their religion. Are you really so dense that you think that all Muslims considers westerners being 'infidels'?.
What you are spouting here is no better than the crap coming from Bin Laden. Just as hateful, just as ignorant, just as mindboggling stupid.
Daff
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Well said Daff WTG!! :)
Looking at some BBS form of life, sometime I have doubts about our "Superior civilization" :D
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Originally posted by 1776:
I don't understand the culture where Islam breeds. I will never understand that culture and have no desire to understand it
And but hour later
Originally posted by 1776:
Where does the intolerance really lie, I say in the Islamic culture. Look how they treat each other!! No, they have nothing worth while to teach the western culture until they understand that theirs isn't the only way!!
So let's get it right - you admit that you don't know jack about their culture, yet you're an expert on how they treat each other and what they preach ?
Hey, Tumor, how about this, let's round them all up, women, children, everyone... into "reeducation camps" in the desert somewhere... and once we round them all up, we can nuke them all in how shot. Wouldn't that be nice ? Why don't you start yourself, get a gun and shoot anyone who looks arab to you ? Take a stand !!
What an appropriate nickname you picked...
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There is no mention of an nuking in any of my posts. You assume way to much. Are you OTW to the middle east to "reason", with your Bible, our wonderful Arab brothers? Of course not :) You are just too foolish to and scared to take off your blinders of policical correctness and see what the real world is all about.
You are easy prey, easy pickens, and will be the first infidel to suffer at the hands of our Islamic friends :) In the US we call you a "sucker". Want to buy some high income porperty?? I can sell ya a few shares in this bridge, but only a few as there is a great demand :)
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"Looking at some BBS form of life, sometime I have doubts about our "Superior civilization" "
Mula Naso speaks he heeeeeee :)
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And the rest of the world is calling guiys like you FASHISTS
diddly off, Nazi bastard!
Macchi
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Originally posted by 1776:
"Looking at some BBS form of life, sometime I have doubts about our "Superior civilization" "
Mula Naso speaks he heeeeeee :)
I call Jihad over 1776!!!! :mad:
Hallah Uakbar!!!
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1776, don't respond, consider the source (See Macchi's home address, Nazi is kind of a funny statement coming from him,and, I might add, the only logical response he's ever had here or on AGW where he is from)
Just walk away from the thread.
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1776, please provide quotes from Moslim books that say "death to infidels".
I'm waiting in patience. A quote from English translation of Koran will be enough, nevermind the Koran itself - I don't know Arabic.
BTW, I am an atheist, brought up in Orthodox culture.
Rip, I wonder what was wrong in my first post in this thread. Some of the guys here behave exactly like commie press describes "average American".
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"So let's get it right - you admit that you don't know jack about their culture, yet you're an expert on how they treat each other and what they preach ?" by fd ski
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I am no expert on the Islamic culture nor do I know what they "preach". I can observe and make judgements regarding this culture though. First observation, 91101. Second observation, look at how women are treated. Now granted this information was obtained form NPR, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX.
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Oh, sorry... A wrong man to ask.
I bet that Afghan Mulla knows Bible much better then you do.
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Boroda, at least you have the guts to say where you are from unlike some other whiney, sniveling socialists
Sorry, am sure the Koran says something of that nature as so many believe it!! Show me where it doesn’t say that.
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1776, In you source, I see only US media, just look at BBC and you will find a different point of view, or better look many other sources.
BTW, you are judging Islam by looking at a terrorist act and at the way the Talibnazi treat the women.
No clue about Algeria, Tunis, Moroc, Turkey, Palestin, Jordan (sp?), and African, Indonesian Islamic countyes, or Euro Islamic people, or, better US Islamic people (I heard a lot of Black people is Islamic).
They dont exist in your mind?
Oh, wait, I forgot you cannot hold more than two facts in the same time in your neuron. ;)
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Pick a side Deja...nuff said
Wich side is that? The side that says "Think this way or get out!"? Sorry, I will not pick your side. The main problem seems to be that you feel there are only two views in this situation, your view and the wrong view.
My belief is that people in this country can think whatever they want. Its kinda what makes this country so great. Now, if someone attempts/conspires to do harm, then I don't think "home" is where I want to send them... hell seems more apropriate.
There is no requirement that people have to apreciate the environment they are in. And there is no provision to control what people are thinking.
Sorry... but the initial post in this thread is way off base... as are many of the follow ups. Ah... but this community does love a witch hunt.
AKDejaVu
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I call Jihad over 1776!!!! By Naso
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Buddy, that was alreaady done 91101!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Naso:
Looking at some BBS form of life, sometime I have doubts about our "Superior civilization"
If you think a bit on the implications of your post, you will have no doubt. Both in the sense that ours is a civilization, and it is superior.
Cheers,
Pepe
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"1776, In you source, I see only US media, just look at BBC and you will find a different point of view, or better look many other sources." By Naso
I get one hour of BBC over NPR and it is just as corrupt as NPR :D
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1776, it doesn't say so. It's a myth, maybe since the time of the Crusades. The only thing that can be misinterpreted is something like "you can kill them if they are at war with you". Bad thing to translate from my memory, Russian translation (that isn't Koran, Koran is ONLY in Arabic) into English.
Bible is a holy book for Moslims. And the New Testament too. And they respect Jesus as one of the prophets.
As for the way they "opress" women - the attitude is quite different if you compare, say, Talibs and Tatars.
I don't in any way support Moslim terrorists, but your attempt to blame all Moslims for WTC attack is a little bit too much.
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Boroda, how do we tell the Moslim terriosts from the "good moslims"?
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1776, it's quite a problem... Look at how everyone bashes my country for calling Chechen "rebels" "terrorists". And only a hundreed years ago Chechens were Emperor's personal guards...
Sorry to say it, but I think that there are some problems in the US with knowledge about what goes on in the rest of the world.
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"Boroda, how do we tell the Moslim terriosts from the "good moslims"? "
The same way with Christian terrorists from good Christians.
Daff
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"Sorry to say it, but I think that there are some problems in the US with knowledge about what goes on in the rest of the world." By Borda
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Guess what? USA knows more then anyone else. We are the worlds only Superpower. Why? One word..........CAPITOLISM :)
Live it... Love it... Any other system is set up for failure :D
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Guys, Daff is anti-gun socialist and Boroda an alcoholic that 'lives in the past' (prior to 1991)...so they are outside the circle of "Unity" that the rest of the world falls in, don't let them get your panties in a bunch.
I'm interested in this exclusive 'circle of unity' you describe. It seems to have something against socialism (most European governments have middle-left governments), but also alcoholism (irrelevent) and anti-gun beliefs (irrelevant). Bizarre.
I also find your personal attacks highly amusing. I salute such a mature, grown-up individual. If Boroda isn't an alcoholic - bravo! I'm glad you are so in touch with your 'inner child'. If Boroda is an alcholic - bravo! Brilliant how you have a dig at someone because of a mental illness/physical weakness. I pay homage to your colossal intellect in the hope I can learn from it.
I also wonder why you post in the O-club, since you can't seem to stomach the concept that not everyone shares your particular views. Perhaps you should start your own BB called 'Circle of Unity'?
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Originally posted by Dowding:
I also wonder why you post in the O-club, since you can't seem to stomach the concept that not everyone shares your particular views.
Irony defined. :)
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I think that my knowledge about Islam proves that I live in the past :)
At AGW, before I was banned, I had a signature template: "This message was written by Boroda, who drinks too much to be taken seriously". And I admit that my alcohol consumption is higher then average on this board :)
1776, unfortunately, what you call "CAPITOLISM" has it's drawbacks too.
And JFYI: there are many Moslim countries that have a strong capitalist economy. I mean - capitalist in marxist terms. If you definition of capitalism is different from Marx's - I'd be glad to hear it. According to Marx both Russia and USA have capitalist society now. Can I share your pride? ;)
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Can I share your pride?
Not without a Union Card.
:)
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time to rant
The more Americans are told this is our fault the angrier we are going to get. Our overseas friends may be correct to point out that past foreign policy mistakes have bred a certain amount of anti-American hatred. We know as well as any society that we are not perfect.
To have the murder of 5000 + civilians compared to the accidental collateral damage caused during the defense of Muslim civilians in Kosovo, Kuwait, Iraq or Yugoslavia is enough to boil the blood of the most liberal American. Day after day you can see the anger growing.
Our government may often act without the majority consent of its people and cause more problems than it cures. But when it acts with the full consent of the people who elected them it is pretty damn impressive.
The president has the backing of 90 percent of Americans. If the terrorist want to see it rise to 100 percent keep showing us that video of bin laden. Keep marching in the streets shouting death to America. Continue with the terrorist bombings and threats of death and destruction.
As our anger rises so does the cry for vengeance. You see the people who committed this act and cheered when 5000 people died are not the only people who can scream for blood
The radical Islamic world may want to consider a policy change of their own. An arrogant America is dangerous but can be worked with. An angry America on the other hand could prove to be their worst nightmare.
Sorry for the long rant
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Not really that ironic, Toad. The real irony is in that in trying to define irony, you have inadvertantly been ironic since the example you quote is equally applicable to yourself.
In an ironic way, of course.
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Originally posted by Tumor:
Who's sick of hearing that this or that country has "decided not to speak out"? (primarily those in the Middle East) Who's sick of hearing Muslim's on talk radio call in and say "Oh gosh we are peaceful, but the U.S. brought this on themselves"?? Well I've had about freekin enough. First of all...if your Muslim living in the U.S. and even entertain the thought that the U.S. deserved this roadkill..GET THE HELL OUT AND GO HOME!! Sorry guyz but I've about had it...never would have thought I'd think this way but I for one am about ready to say F*CKIT...break out the Nukes and lay waste to these freekin loser's.
Tumor
Yeah, all Muslims!
And while we're at it, let's nix all the Jehovah's wittnesses...oh, and the Mormons...hell yeah, Baptists, Methodists, ...hell, anyone who does not believe in God in the same manner as Columbus did...oh crap, was it Columbus or that Amerio dude that got here first...Damn...The Red man was here first!
OK, I think I've got it...PEACE PIPES and BUFFALO Sandwiches for everyone!
Sick of hearing it? NOT AT ALL!!!
I AM AMERICAN!!!
I LIVE, EAT, and BREATH
RED WHITE & BLUE!!!
I am in this country because in the last 4 Generations people in my blood lines migrated to the USA from all over the world.
I have at least 5 different countries of origin that I can trace, not the least of which is Native American.
So, if you want to stop people from being free to chose freedom, freedom to speak their feelings, freedom to do what they think best, then take your bellybutton out of our country.
Otherwise, shut the diddly up and open your AMERICAN arms and hug the poor hurting Muslim who is now making the decision of a life time!
Viper
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GET THE HELL OUT AND GO HOME!!
Wonder where we would be if the Native Americans had said that 5 centuries ago :rolleyes:
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They did. And if we had nukes back then we'da prolly flash fried 'em right then and there.
JUST KIDDING!!.. I just couldn't resist a straight line like that.
So sorry.
:)
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Hey Rip, 1776. Have either of you signup up yet?
Why not?
Don't have the balls to follow up your words with action?
Fek, but you talk big.
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Boroda, you had asked for some relevant quotations. These are lifted from an article fromt the National Review previously posted, I believe, by Toad:
The Koran, Sura 5, verse 85, describes the inevitable enmity between Moslems and non-Moslems: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans." Sura 9, verse 5, adds: "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam."
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Truth is irelevent, blame is irelevent.
War is decared. People and countries have to decide if they are on one side or the other.
My country and myself are on the side of our heavy handed but often iresolute brothers to the south. I think that our enemies will find them quite resolute in this issue.
If some of the people from other counties that post here dont aggree with their Governments associastion with the US in this war, they would be better served telling someone who cares. Once massive acts of indescriminant terror are entrenched as successful statecraft then there is no one safe.
Whether the kind of statecraft that the US has been practicing for the last 15 years can be deemed successful will come out in the wash. But the theory that ultra Nationalists of any creed only respond to provocation to act in their chosen way is silly. They would use terror against any enemy they could. Is the US above reproach in their middle eastern policies...no. Would it likly matter to these guys...no.
All this is is just data going into the targeting computer now. This has to be undertaken in the only language that such people understand or respect.
We can all come back here in 10 years and debate the blame after we have won.
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"Hey Rip, 1776. Have either of you signup up yet?
Why not?
Don't have the balls to follow up your words with action?
Fek, but you talk big." By Thrawn
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Been there done that in the '60's, ya pup :D
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I love that only fools see in black and white.
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Originally posted by 1776:
"Hey Rip, 1776. Have either of you signup up yet?
Why not?
Don't have the balls to follow up your words with action?
Fek, but you talk big." By Thrawn
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Been there done that in the '60's, ya pup :D
I take back the part that refers to you then, you old fart. ;) Please except my appology.
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Will chalk it up to the ignornace of youth,Pup :)
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"How do you tell the good muslims from the bad muslims?"
The implication being, since it's so difficult and will take so much effort to weed out the good from bad, than we should just kill them all and stop worrying about it?
This "circle of unity" you describe is rather ironic Rip. A circle of unity that excludes certain individuals due to differing beliefs on an issue? Very unified :rolleyes:.
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Let me clarify my origional post, I'll make it real clear as I was very pissed when I wrote it. Listening to "callers" on talk radio (gosh I'm so sorry they were MUSLIM.. I'll never bow to political correctness) say we deserved what we got and brought it upon ourselves had me in a bit of a rant. So...for clarification:
Whatever Faith, Ethnicity, Religion, Race, Political Party..etc etc you happen to be, if you THINK the United States brought this act of terrorism upon itself, then I hate the very ground you walk on and wish you, your family, friends and pathetic vile existance more ill-will than I care to type.
With that said, I've also heard a couple of "callers" condemn the terroist acts...one in particular happened to be a IRAQI expatriate...funny enough, he was non-muslim but I honestly believe thats beside the point and it damn near brought a tear to my eye hearing it.
Read my post...I directed my statements at a certain group of people, those who think we deserved this and brought it upon ourselves, and I will stand by that. I'm sick and tired hearing people IN the United States say things like that. The United States is free yes, free speech? Well, I"m exercising my right to free speech right here, right now. If your so pathetic as to think we deserved or brought these terrorist acts on ourselves, then .. GET OUT!
Tumor
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Originally posted by Daff:
"Boroda, how do we tell the Moslim terriosts from the "good moslims"? "
The same way with Christian terrorists from good Christians.
Daff
...Riiiight..the ones running around killing 5000+ to further thier Christian agenda...Riiiight.
Daff..I suppose you were there to see off all those Pakistani's shipping themselves to Afghanistan from the U.K. to fight for the Taliban with a hug kiss and a box of candy. Ya probably support that dolt who's calling for the assisination of Tony Blair too hmm?
Sure..these sound like people who can be reasoned with. Golly oh gee Mr Terrorist...we promise to get out of Saudi Arabia and heck, the whole middle east so you can go about rooting the Jew's out of Isreal :) Ya that'll work, really because you see...THAT is the ONLY answer they want to hear.
Tumor
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So, Tumor, you want to kill *all* muslims, just because you can't tell them apart?.
I guess we should also kill all the Irish, then?
And all white former US service men? (Does the name Tim McVeigh ring a bell?).
Daff
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While you're all a bunch of wanna be fascists and I despise you all (especially that Tumour guy), nuking the Irish would most certainly be a public service.
And the French.
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We should first re-examine all the crimes of the French.. in minute detail.
Then nuke 'em.
The Irish just need somebody to rumble with. I suggest we let 'em deal with the expat french that survive the first 12 strikes.
You may all return to your rants.
:D
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Any raghead that moves is a terrorist. Any raghead that doesn't move is a well disciplined terrorist.
"how can you shoot women and children like that"
"easy I dont lead them as much"
Krush
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it is a strange war isn't it?
hard to tell the good guys from the bad..
It'll be much easier win the target is Saddam with his military, industrial targets & his big fat head to aim at..
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Originally posted by Bluefish:
Boroda, you had asked for some relevant quotations. These are lifted from an article fromt the National Review previously posted, I believe, by Toad:
The Koran, Sura 5, verse 85, describes the inevitable enmity between Moslems and non-Moslems: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans." Sura 9, verse 5, adds: "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam."
Well. First, one ajat number are not correct.
Sura 5, ajat 82:
"Certainly, you'll see that believers are hated by Jews and pantheists (pagans) more then by the others. Certainly, you'll see that the most friendly to the believers are those who say "we are true Christians". It's because there are priests and monks among them and they are not arrogant.
Sura 9, ajat 5:
Your English translation is better then I can make from Russian. But this phrase is ONLY about "pantheists", NOT about Christians or even Jews. Later, ajat 6: "And if any pagan asks you - give him shelter, untill he'll hear the word of Allah. Then bringg him to the place that is safe for him. It's because they are people who don't know." Ajat 7: "How can the pagans (pantheists) have a union with Allah and his messanger, others then the ones that have a union with you, agreed in front of the holy mosque? And as long as they are right towards you, be right towards them - Allah loves god-abiding!"
As you can see - it's not as horrible as it's pictured by the media. It's an old way to turn any book upside-down, practiced by any regime, "democratic", fascist or "communist". Media always lies. If you want truth - look at the all sources availible, and try to find originals.
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Originally posted by Krusher:
Any raghead that moves is a terrorist. Any raghead that doesn't move is a well disciplined terrorist.
"how can you shoot women and children like that"
"easy I dont lead them as much"
Krush
Is it supposed to be a joke? Or a sarcasm towards our Moslim-hating friends? I don't understand it, seriously.
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Too funny Dowding.
Read your own posts over the last three weeks. :P
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Daff, I refrained from saying this, but now I can't resist: "Good Indian is a dead Indian". Maybe it's something in genes?
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Borda wrote:
>Is it supposed to be a joke? Or a sarcasm >towards our Moslim-hating friends? I don't >understand it, seriously.
its a line from the movie "Full Metal Jacket" about the Vietnam war. I modified it by substituting "raghead" for "VC". If you ever have the chance to rent it you should do so.
And yes it is a joke...... sorta :)
Krush
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Krusher, thank you, I DL this movie right now.
I simply can't understand some quotes from books or movies that I don't know. That's why some things seem so strange and sometimes out of sence.
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Originally posted by Daff:
So, Tumor, you want to kill *all* muslims, just because you can't tell them apart?.
I guess we should also kill all the Irish, then?
And all white former US service men? (Does the name Tim McVeigh ring a bell?).
Daff
Daff, your making yourself into a typical lame-brained liberal who turns any statement made into a personal forum to attack common sense. No..I DID NOT say kill all Muslims, READ THE WORDS and stop trying to put meaning "between the lines"....and be sure you hug a terrorist today.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Pongo:
Truth is irelevent, blame is irelevent.
War is decared. People and countries have to decide if they are on one side or the other.
My country and myself are on the side of our heavy handed but often iresolute brothers to the south. I think that our enemies will find them quite resolute in this issue.
If some of the people from other counties that post here dont aggree with their Governments associastion with the US in this war, they would be better served telling someone who cares. Once massive acts of indescriminant terror are entrenched as successful statecraft then there is no one safe.
Whether the kind of statecraft that the US has been practicing for the last 15 years can be deemed successful will come out in the wash. But the theory that ultra Nationalists of any creed only respond to provocation to act in their chosen way is silly. They would use terror against any enemy they could. Is the US above reproach in their middle eastern policies...no. Would it likly matter to these guys...no.
All this is is just data going into the targeting computer now. This has to be undertaken in the only language that such people understand or respect.
We can all come back here in 10 years and debate the blame after we have won.
This post makes the most sense out of any of the hair-pulling and nail-biting in this thread.
Pongo has nailed it, period!
Cobra
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From what my wife, who is a Malaysian citizen, says about Indonesian muslims, they can be just as bad as the taliban. Sure, not all of them, but there have been some horrible atrocities against the chinese non-muslim segment of the population, especially the women. Basically there were incidents of chinese women getting raped, burned, and then having their.. well.. I guess I don't have to go any further than that. Many other riots and terrorist attacks against the chinese non-muslim citizens also occurred when the government tried to equalize the way the goverment treated the chinese-indonesian citizens. In Malaysia, muslims have many rights and "perks" from the government, such as lower taxes, and being guranteed a certian percentage of the jobs in a company. From everything I've heard about muslim run countries, it's rarely a non-biased situation. The same goes for any religiously influenced government. That was one of the main reasons the 13 colonies became populated so fast. People wanted the right to practice their religions, which was something that England didn't allow.
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Organised religion is the bane if civilization. People who allow themself to be lead by the nose like cattle w/out reading thier "good" book thenselves are fools.
The world is full of foolish cattle...the only question is when its time to hit the slaughter house.
xBAT
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Hell yeah batdog.
When was the last time you heard bunch of atheists kill in the name of atheism?
Stalin and his cohorts killed for one reason: power. The churches were a threat, hence remove 'um. As one can see today, the religious masses were there, abiding their time.
Rip, "he's an atheist too, so give it up"? You're suggesting that a lack of faith also means a lack of morals, or that a lack of faith means "lack of ability to reason"? I'm pretty sure I disagree wholeheartedly with you here :).
Of course, I could easily say "Ripsnort is just a Christian sheep, give it up guys" :D :D
Back to the topic: I don't like the false dichotomy put up by the US administration: you're either with us, or you're a terrorist/terrorist supporter. It never is that simple.
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How many years will Ollie North get for aiding and abetting terrorism, and will the Reagan officials who sponsored him ever stand trail?
Which British MP's will stand in the dock for aiding the UVR? Will Irish MP's be extradited for the support of the IRA?
How many French public officials will face the consequences of their support for ETA? How many American company officers will have to explain why their funds are routed through Corsica?
Will the Knesset ever publicaly acknowledge what Shin Beth has done in their name, and when will the Saudi people be freed from an oppresive monarchy?
World war on terrorism?
Yeah.....riightt
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Yea... war on terrorism. Its taken awhile but guess what? The stakes have been risen to a point where something must be done.
Hitler took a couple of nations a first and the world turned a blind eye... it just so happened he went to far finaly and world war erupted.
You damn well better hope we win it... our you could be next.
xBAT
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Batdog, please, listen to what I'll say to you, but please, don't get offended, OK? (Послушай, что я тебе скажу, только ты не обижайся, да? (c) Mimino)
Serbs lost their war with terrorism with the help from the US. Russia can't win it's war with terrorism for 6 years, and "civilized" world helps us not to win it. So, following your logic - now it's your turn?