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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nash on February 26, 2006, 12:57:57 AM
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What has this administration touched that hasn't gone to ****?
Okay, admittedly, the question is a bit slanted. My apologies.
Maybe some history is in order. A few years ago, me and a couple of guys here said that Iraq would be a tragic a mistake of a war, and that this fiasco of a foreign policy, foisted upon the unsuspecting and based on a nefarious Neocon doctrine, would wind up in complete failure.
Holy smokes did we ever take heat. Who cares. Because it was always bound to wind up in complete failure and it didn't matter much what anyone said to the contrary.
Why failure? Because it was never rooted in reality. In fact, neocon philosophy had, and always has, discarded objective reality. You don't have to dig very deep into it to find that their guiding principle is this hubristic idea that they "create reality."
Act, and the world follows. Create history. Make it up as you go along, and you will be vindicated. THIS, more than the fictitious WMD, more than the Liberation of the Iraqi people, more than the cry of Democracy for a nation that has never even come close to demonstrating the most basic vital signs of life that would have a wary doctor stop, reflect, and decide against pulling the plug.
In what world was this war ever a good idea?
To give this administration even the most generous benefit of the doubt is to admit that they are clouded in a fantastical land of unicorns and mermaids.
Anyways...
Back to my original question.
What has this administration touched that hasn't gone to ****?
I wanna know what you think.
Spending like an out of control drunk?
Going to maniacal lengths to make you skeeeeered, only to turn over ports to those he's been making you scared of?
Hiring cronies woefully under-qualified for their new jobs, based on nothing more than campaign contributions or loyalty, which winds up in give-me-a-break-Miers getting nominated for the Supreme Court or heck-of-a-job-Brownie which winds up the fiasco that is New Orleans?
The Vice President outing CIA operatives in order to discredit any rational voice that comes out and shoots down fictitious reasons for going to war?
I'm getting tired of typing, yet I've just scratched the surface!.
Sorry.
My question:
What has this administration touched that hasn't gone to ****?
Examples, please....
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They blew up the levys just fine.
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That was all "just for funzies". I guess you just ignore all the good if it doesnt serve your angry little impotent agenda?
Link (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163304/posts)
What has your leader done lately up there in Canada? (I am sure the answer is "nothing" as Canada isnt known for anything much, for doing anything much, and not even being sure who it is.) Is Canada part of Great Britain, is it really French, or is there actually such a thing as actually being a Canadian? Do you guys do anything besides cut down trees?
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Good to see that you can C&P Dago:aok
Maybe something more of your opinion would be more fitting.
In your first post 3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
What was inherited was a ~3 trillion dollar SURPLUS, we are now in a 7 or 8 trillion dollar DEBT. Damn straight the Bush administration turned it around, too bad they turned it the wrong way.
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Holy, eight consecutive posts; the worlds largest cut/paste job with the only added commentary being a knock on a foreign country.
If I cut/pasted Clinton's list (which would quadruple Bush's), would you have a new found respect for him?
The fact is, these lists mean squat.
For example, No Child Left Behind is great, but after introducing it, Bush has failed to even pay for it. It goes $9.4 billion underfunded.
Looks kinda neat on a list though.
That goes on and on and can be applied to everything you cut/pasted.
My question is, what has Bush touched that hasn't gone to ****?
Spare me the propoganda.... and pick one thing. Anything and explain it. Explain how it hasn't gone to ****.
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I think ya both need to lean into the middle a little.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I think ya both need to lean into the middle a little.
...so we can drill 'em both with a minimum expenditure of ammunition.
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Sure it was C&P, I even provided the link. Easiest way to gather and list so many good things Bush has done. Hey, I was just providing what Nash asked for, doing him a favor as it were.
Want some on Clinton? I can do that too, no problem.
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That was an old list of stuff on Clinton, but still telling I think. The man and his wife are as dirty, as crooked and underhanded as the office has ever seen.
But of course I digress, I started in this thread just to do Nash a favor and answer his question, but then he really didnt want an answer, he just wanted to inject his crap into another countries politics, he wanted to serve his slanted opinion. He just hasnt recovered from his hero, John (traitor) Kerry losing the election.
Nash I am still waiting for you to answer my questions about Canada.
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I picked one Nash: No Child Left Behind is FUNDED
From the government website of House Education & the Workforce Committee:
If money were the solution to the problems in America’s schools, those problems would have been solved long ago. But money isn’t the solution. That’s why President Bush and Congress enacted the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB). In enacting NCLB, President Bush and Republicans promised education funding would increase, and would be linked for the first time to accountability for results. This is exactly what has occurred.
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No more spending without accountability. Prior to NCLB, states accepted billions of dollars a year in federal education aid, but were not held accountable for using that money to get academic results for all children. Disadvantaged students were written off as unteachable and shuffled through the system without receiving a quality education – and federal law endorsed this practice. Millions of parents were denied the ability to know whether or not their children were learning, and denied the ability to do anything about it if they suspected their children’s schools weren’t getting the job done.
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A 43 percent boost in federal K-12 education funding. Funding for major elementary and secondary education programs, including special education, increased by 43 percent in just the first three years of NCLB. Not one, but three major increases in federal education funding have been provided since NCLB was signed. Funding for Title I, the primary funding stream in NCLB, has increased to historic levels. In fact, because of NCLB, Title I received a larger increase during the first two years of President George W. Bush's administration alone than it did during the previous eight years combined under President Bill Clinton.
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Republicans have increased education spending by more than 142 percent. Since Republicans took control of Congress eight years ago, federal education funding has increased significantly. Funding for the U.S. Department of Education has increased by more than 142 percent under GOP control of the House, from $23 billion in FY 1996 to nearly $56 billion in FY 2004. In fact, the federal government has increased federal education funding so rapidly that states are having trouble spending it all.
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A well-funded opportunity – not an unfunded mandate. Education reform opponents have incorrectly claimed that NCLB is an “unfunded mandate.” As Brian Riedl of the Heritage Foundation noted in a column last year http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm283.cfm), NCLB is neither “unfunded” nor a “mandate.” States are under no obligation to accept the billions of dollars a year in federal education aid NCLB offers. States that do not wish to be held accountable for improving student achievement, or that prefer to do things their own way, can simply decline the money.
In addition, three reports released this year conclude the federal government is providing states with more than enough aid to implement the reforms included in NCLB. Information on each report is included below.
NEW REPORT FROM THE NON-PARTISAN GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE (GAO) CONCLUDES no child left behind is not an unfunded mandate
A new report from the nonpartisan GAO, requested by Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH), upholds Republican claims that the No Child Left Behind Act is not an unfunded mandate. The GAO reviewed more than 500 different statutes and regulations enacted in 2001 and 2002, including Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports about NCLB, and concluded NCLB was not an unfunded mandate.
According to the report, NCLB “did not meet the UMRA’s [Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995] definition of a mandate because the requirements were a condition of federal financial assistance” and “any costs incurred by state, local or tribal governments would result from complying” with conditions of receiving the federal funds.
A copy of the report, “Unfunded Mandates: Analysis of Reform Act Coverage,” can be found at http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04637.pdf.
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SEN. KERRY’S OWN STATE OF massachusetts SAYS critics “greatly exaggerate” no child left behind cost to states; study concludes law may even be overfunded
A report published in the Spring 2004 edition of the policy journal Education Next (http://www.EducationNext.org) by two Massachusetts state officials (state board of education chairman James Peyser and chief economist Robert Costrell) concluded the federal government "overshot the target" in terms of funding the law, providing more money than some states need to make it work.
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Reform opponents are exaggerating NCLB costs. Peyser and Costrell conclude the increased federal aid states are receiving as a result of the No Child Left Behind law should cover the costs of the additional reforms required. They also concluded “many critics greatly exaggerate the shortfall of federal resources” needed to implement the law’s reforms.
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Federal spending has “overshot the target.” “If this spending increase does not fully cover the fiscal gap [associated with No Child Left Behind's requirements], it would appear to come pretty close – especially when combined with state-level spending increases already required under various state laws and court decisions,” Peyser and Costrell wrote. “Given that many states have been slow to implement the statewide assessment and accountability systems required by NCLB, one might even argue that in some instances federal spending growth has overshot the target.”
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NCLB costs are sufficiently covered. Total federal spending for K-12 education grew significantly from 2001 to 2003 as a result of No Child Left Behind, Peyser and Costrell note, resulting in an $8 billion funding increase that is sufficient – if not more than sufficient – to allow states to meet NCLB's current expectations. The authors say federal education spending must continue to increase in coming years to ensure states continue to have adequate funding to meet NCLB's objectives, but find the actual amount needed is far below the huge amounts claimed by education reform opponents in many states. Additionally, Peyser and Costrell find the $391 million currently appropriated by Congress for states to design and implement annual tests for students in grades 3-8 is adequate at the present time – a conclusion also reached by the independent General Accounting Office (GAO). Five states had already met the NCLB testing requirements before the law even went into effect, they note.
national cost study shows states are profiting financially from the no child left behind act
A major national cost study released in February 2004 by AccountabilityWorks, a non-profit research organization, shows states are profiting handsomely from the education spending increases triggered by NCLB. The analysis, entitled “NCLB Under a Microscope,” is available online at http://www.educationleaders.org/elc/events/elc_cost_study-04.pdf.
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“Unfunded mandate” claim false. “[W]e conclude that the charge that NCLB is an ‘unfunded mandate’ is false; additionally, we find that the level of federal funding provided to support implementation of NCLB requirements has been -- and is likely to remain -- sufficient,” the study's authors write.
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States will receive $787 million surplus this year from NCLB. The authors’ analysis estimates states will collectively receive a surplus of $787 million in federal No Child Left Behind funding for the upcoming school year (2004-05), a surplus that could increase to $5 billion by the 2007-08 school year. The report also recognizes states are under no obligation to accept the federal education funds that accompany the No Child Left Behind requirements, and cautions against attempts to attribute costs to NCLB that the law does not impose.
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States bill feds for their own choices. “States choosing to accept Title I and other federal dollars should be assured that substantial federal resources accompany new demands,” the authors note. “There is, however, no reason to assume that the fundamental federal role has changed to the point that all new future K-12 needs are now the responsibility of the federal government.”
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Federal education funding is increasing more quickly than states can spend it; states have billions in unspent no child left behind and special education funds
A recent report released by the U.S. Department of Education’s Budget Services Office (October 1, 2004) shows that states are sitting on more than $10 billion in federal education funding appropriated between FY 2000 and FY 2003. The report also shows the percentage of federal funds unspent by states is increasing – not decreasing – as more and more federal money is pumped into the public education system.
Highlights from the report include:
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States are collectively sitting on nearly half a billion dollars ($469 million) in unspent federal education funds appropriated for their use during the final years of the Clinton administration (FY 2000, FY 2001) - before NCLB was even enacted. Nine-four percent of these unspent funds are federal school improvement, special education, Title I funds, and other programs for economically disadvantaged students.
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States are collectively sitting on $1.6 billion in unspent federal education funding made available for their use two or more years ago.
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States collectively have $10.3 billion in unspent federal education funds, all of which has been available to them for at least a year.
Congressional Democrat and the ultra-liberal National Education Association (NEA) have attempted to dismiss these reports of unspent funds as “accounting gimmicks.” An editorial from Cleveland , Ohio ’s The Plain Dealer calls the Democrat-NEA spin a fallacy. (“ U.S. finds a lot of dollars left behind,” Chris Sheridan, The Plain Dealer; July 4, 2004)
“What is sure, yet again, is that throwing federal dollars at the question not only doesn't guarantee achievement, it doesn't even guarantee that schools will see the money,” writes Chris Sheridan, the assistant editor at The Plain Dealer. Sheridan also notes that the independent General Accounting Office (GAO) issued a report earlier this year flatly rejecting opponents’ claims that the No Child Left Behind Act is an “unfunded mandate.”
For more information about President Bush’s No Child Left Behind law, please visit http://edworkforce.house.gov/nclb.htm.
Link (http://www.house.gov/ed_workforce/issues/108th/recess/nclbfunded.htm)
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I'm glad the High Capacity Magazine bill was lifted. Was an ignorant move to begin with.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Hangtime
...so we can drill 'em both with a minimum expenditure of ammunition.
Insinuating you wish to murder two AH posters is hardly a laughing matter. HTC should ban you for that post.
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Originally posted by Nash
Holy, eight consecutive posts; the worlds largest cut/paste job with the only added commentary being a knock on a foreign country.
Ah, pot, kettle here, correct me if I am wrong here, but didnt you start this thread with a knock on the elected leader of a foreign country?
If my memory serves me right, you aren't a citizen of the USA, nor do you live here. Is that still true?
dago
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Nash,
Please dont feed the Bears
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Ok... let the "assault weapons and magazine ban" lapse.
Appointed two supreme court judges who believe in the U.S. constitution.
passed the protection of commerce act (or whatever it was called) to protect firearms manufacturers from frivilous lawsuits.
and most important.... ignored any opinion of a canadian.
All of these are legacy things that affect me directly in a positive and long term way.
lazs
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Nash,
Please dont feed the Bears
Bears - strongest animal on the North American continent.
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I personally enjoy the token Canadians up north.
I don't understand the point you are trying to prove though Dago, you C&P lists, yet barely give any of your own opinion about the subject. Do you google it and then regurgitate whatever it is you have just "learned"? It might be humorous if the lists were so right sided. You're almost to neo-con status with that type of stuff. Oh well, worship as you wish, just remember you reap what you sow.
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Originally posted by Dago
Insinuating you wish to murder two AH posters is hardly a laughing matter. HTC should ban you for that post.
This explains why some feel its fine to get all offended and riot and murder over cartoons.
shamus
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Originally posted by nirvana
I don't understand the point you are trying to prove though Dago, you C&P lists, yet barely give any of your own opinion about the subject.
Nash only asked for examples, I gave them. He didnt ask for opinions, but a reasonable person would have been able to figure mine out by the very fact that I bothered to post the lists.
Your little attempt at insult really doesnt phase me, I didnt declare anything about "just learning" new details, I just listed, with a link to source, a list of things Bush has been responsible for or participated in that I think are positive accomplishments.
I also responded in kind to Nashs challenges and comments, including expanding on his challenge to detail one of the issues, (in which he is proven wrong, be surprise) and I pointed out the hypocrisy in his statement about me commenting on another nation.
If you have trouble comprehending these things, then I will sadly have to accept as obvious your deficiency in perception.
dago
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Originally posted by Shamus
This explains why some feel its fine to get all offended and riot and murder over cartoons.
shamus
Hardly the same is it? Or do you lack the capability to see the differance?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok... let the "assault weapons and magazine ban" lapse.
Appointed two supreme court judges who believe in the U.S. constitution.
passed the protection of commerce act (or whatever it was called) to protect firearms manufacturers from frivilous lawsuits.
and most important.... ignored any opinion of a canadian.
All of these are legacy things that affect me directly in a positive and long term way.
lazs
Include most of the EU for that matter. Don't leave out that he doesn't let the UN dictate our foreign policy.
I think so far the tax cuts have been great. I get ALOT of credits now that I did not have 6 years ago.
The main things I fault Bush for:
1. We still don't have a comprehensive border security plan
2. Creation of the DHS
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Did Nash stop having "funzies" with this thread?
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Are you kidding? I'm sure he is loving every minute of watching you burst internet blood vessels.
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Golly-geenit dago! This was going to be interesting to watch!
Yet you had to come in here with all of your "Facts"...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Golly-geenit dago! This was going to be interesting to watch!
Yet you had to come in here with all of your "Facts"...
LOL, thanks, havent had a good laugh today, (except laughing at Nash of course).
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What do I win?
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Boy MP8 hates you guys:D
Back on subject I guess...
EVERY administration has it's screw-ups...the fact that Bush was hate dby the media and half the population right out of the gates has just meant that everyone makes a much bigger deal of his screwups...and as far as putting your buddies in high offices..show me any administration that hasn't done that.
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Originally posted by Dago
Hardly the same is it? Or do you lack the capability to see the differance?
Oh i'd say it's pretty darned close, but then I try not to find a reason to take offense at jokes, you obviously do.
shamus
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Originally posted by Shamus
Oh i'd say it's pretty darned close, but then I try not to find a reason to take offense at jokes, you obviously do.
shamus
Oh, I have a great sense of humor, but someone indicating I should be killed, or that they would like to do it has never really struck me funny. I guess it is okay to do it on the HTC boards though.
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It'd be nice if a thread that's nothing more than flame-bait had a more accurate title. I wasted at least ten seconds of my life (and more typing this reply) because I expected a funny/joke thread. Oh well, at least I don't have to edit out this crap. I feel sorry for MP8.
Here's an idea that could prove useful. Maybe posters could put a (flame bait) in the titles of threads such as this? If the title read: "Just for funzies (flame bait)", then I could have skipped it entirely and the people who enjoy the "my party can beat up your party" mud slinging would have known exactly where to go.
The title of xtoronto's latest post has "graphic content" right in the title. That's the sort of information I like seeing.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Dago
Oh, I have a great sense of humor, but someone indicating I should be killed, or that they would like to do it has never really struck me funny. I guess it is okay to do it on the HTC boards though.
So you believe that Hangtime actually thinks you should be killed, and would actually like to do it himself? Perhaps you are simply overreacting.
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Hangtime was telling everyone to sit on the fence so we could get shot by the liberals and the conservatives. Makes him no worse then anyone else.
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Nash you described the last several democratic adminstrations very well...
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Dont you have some important librule things too do like ask your wife for permission to go to Starbucks for a mocca latte whatever?
Take your meds for crying out loud....
TJ
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Boy MP8 hates you guys:D
Back on subject I guess...
EVERY administration has it's screw-ups...the fact that Bush was hate dby the media and half the population right out of the gates has just meant that everyone makes a much bigger deal of his screwups...and as far as putting your buddies in high offices..show me any administration that hasn't done that.
In another thread, you lament that the society is going to hell.
The above response is a perfectly good reason why.
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whooo hooo!.. Somebody tell Creamo to get the stencils out and have fatty's mom haul out the tally sheet cause I gotta paint a lil Dago under my canopy!!
Insinuating you wish to murder two AH posters is hardly a laughing matter. HTC should ban you for that post.
I haven't scored an FDB legal O Club whine in ages!
:aok
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Boy MP8 hates you guys:D
I can see why Mp8 might have modded the posts but what I cant see is why he modded those posts and not the original post by Nash which really is nothing more then a troll.
Really IMO the whole thread shoulda been killed