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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ASTAC on February 26, 2006, 03:07:45 PM
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So I took the Family to the Ringling Brothers Circus the other day.
Of course I have to give them points for having the balls to have the circus 5 blocks from the PETA world headquarters here in Hell..I mean Hampton Roads, VA.
So we parked near the Norfolk Scope wher it is being held. Peta has a line of people surrounding the building with their signs and all..with the usual Barnum and Bailey abuses animals..
So at the crosswalks they have a bigger concentration of people just to make it a pain in the arse to cross the street. As me and the wife and our two young boys (4 and 5 years old) cross the street, they of couse start talking their crap at me and the wife. This is no problem (although my wife knows my HATE of this particular group, since I've stated that I like Al quida moe than Peta) I calmly told them not to bother and let us be..the a few of them bend down and tell my boys "did you know the Circus hurts the animals" which of course gets them upset. I then tell the f**heads to shut the hell up and leave my kids alone (the whole time trying to keep walking and disengage the enemy)They of course keep on with more persistance I Then hand my camera to the wife turn around and stand next to a few of the protestors and say to the wife...
"Hey Honey, get a picture of me with the ignorant a**holes"
Immediately one of Norfolk's finest yells at me and tells me not to antagonize the protestors..which of course is a victory for the Peta pukes..I was just joking around not even being mean and I am the one at fault? The officer even told me that if I continued with that sort of behavior he'd have me arrested for disturbing the peace...WTF?
I wouldn't have even done anything had they not upset my kids, and the pukes are lucky I didn't let my anger get away from me.
So d**head protestors can say what they want to anybody and no have to deal with anyone saying anything back to them? I am supposed to let them upset my children and not say anything?
This sort of thing is an indication of the many problems with our society. Good people victimized by a minority of loonies with no recourse.
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shoulda gone and got a family bucket from KFC and ate it infront of them.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Good people victimized by a minority of loonies with no recourse.
since when is a 'good person' identified as launching a personal public attack and illustrating to two young boys that it is ok to do so and use profanity in front of all kinds of women and children to make your point?
I would have thrown your arse in jail.
Nice parenting there :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
since when is a 'good person' identified as launching a personal public attack and illustrating to two young boys that it is ok to do so and use profanity in front of all kinds of women and children to make your point?
I would have thrown your arse in jail.
Nice parenting there :rolleyes:
As far as my parenting goes mind your own business....as far as public personal attacks..well my one attack was far outdone by their numerous ones..some said alot worse than I did. We were the only family at the crosswalk at the time so there were not alot of women and children present anyway.
Judging by your judgement of me you must be one of those bleeding heart fa**ot animal rights advocates..why else attack me and take their side.
and "good people" do sometimes use profanity.
edit- I tolerate alot of stuff..but they have no right to try to talk to my children..and thats why I acted the way I did..I doubt you'd be so perfect is some jerks tried to poison the minds of your kids.
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ASTAC, as a parent, I'm with you on this one. They have no right to bring your kids into their delusions. It's a form of abuse in my opinion.
Had that been me, I'm not sure I would have been able to control my temper at all.
to you for showing restraint. I hope your kids are okay, and were able to have fun that day.
cheers, (and xrtoronto, you are way off base here buddy)
RTR
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time for a reality check...the cop wouldn't have threatened to lock you up if you weren't acting socially irresponsible
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Yeah, cos cops are always right.
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Originally posted by RTR
Had that been me, I'm not sure I would have been able to control my temper at all.
seems both of you fellows have problems with controlling your temper?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yeah, cos cops are always right.
are you saying making a public spectacle of yourself in front of your 4 yr old son and using profanity is acceptable?
just want to make sure I understand you?
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psycho analysis through the BBS.
I am in awe. The technology we have been able to achieve here is astounding! HT oughta think about patenting this one!
:rofl
RTR
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
time for a reality check...the cop wouldn't have threatened to lock you up if you weren't acting socially irresponsible
My point is that yes maybe I was being a jackarse with that "take a picture" comment.but so were the Peta people..and nothing was said to them..I made one comment that was out of line..my other statements were to the effect of "shut up and leave us alone" not in a raised voice or anything.
They were attacking my character, my parenting skills, and the way I was dressed (it's cold I was wearing my leather jacket). They were using ALOT of profanity. So who is more socially irresponsible?
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astac...'shut up and leave me alone' is fine...that's a reasonable response...the other is not
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A reasonable response to them engaging and trying to scare his kids would be for him to sock them in the mouth. Unfortunately, that would also have landed him in jail.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
astac...'shut up and leave me alone' is fine...that's a reasonable response...the other is not
By your standards that may be true. my point in this thread was to get an opinion on how my one comment with one profane word (which is used on primetime TV these days) can incite a Police officer to repremand me, when in the entire incident there were countless derrogatory things said to me and my children and nothing is done to the protesters.
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I think the answer is this: You are one and they are many. Keeping you moving is more ideal than having a possible confrontation. They surely have their permits in order to be there, and talking at you and your kids is probably not breaking any laws, which would mean the cops can't do anything about it.
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Yeah, cos cops are always right.
Especially city cops.
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astac I know these people can be a real problem...there have been more than one instance in this city where women wearing 20k dollar fur coats end up getting paint thrown on them walking downtown...
i have lots of leather stuff too...including my new recliner and ottoman...all i'm saying is in front of my 4 yr old i wouldn't have done that
I have no empathy with those people
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http://www.peta-sucks.com
You have to have a permit to protest? I thought everyone had the right to peacefully assemble.
The way I see it, Astac got in trouble because the PETA *******s, as a group, could form a mini riot, where as Astac, his wife, and their children, couldn't do nearly as much damage. Bull**** though that they can use profane language (public obscenity, not protected by the 1st amendment) and get away with it. Just like the recent KKK rally where 5 or so people were arrested. They have a right to assemble and you have to respect it, PETA deserves no respect at all though, domestic terrorists is all they are.
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Yes, we must protect the rights of all who wish to interfere with our kids and cause them anguish. The fact that the kids are looking forward to a fun day should not take any bearing. They must be brow beaten and intimidated into accepting the "proper views", that thier parents are so obviously lacking in giving them.
You want to protest and spout your views? You are free to do so. You are not free however, to talk to, or interact with my children in anyway whatsoever without my express permission.
Would I have lost my temper? You bet.
What would my kids have gotten out of that? Maybe that Dad isn't going to allow anybody to make them feel bad for something that is entirely not thier fault.
There is something drastically wrong when a mob has the right to make kids feel sad, just to make thier point.
Said my piece. I'm out
RTR
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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Yes Nirvana, in order to protest on PUBLIC property (IE the street) you need a permit. The city will usually provide cops at great expense for crowd control. If you have multiple groups protesting eachother in a small confined area chances are it will get ugly and cease to be a protest while becoming a riot.
I'm with ASTAC on this one. He showed restraint untill they involved the kids. THey have no right to do that. These people think animals should have more rights than humans. There is no arguing with them as they do not want to hear what you have to say. They are quick to "upset" with animal "insensativity" yet hold no courtesy for anyone of the opposite opinion.
Not to defend the cop but he was probably preventing a bad situation from getting worse.
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The cop is probably a card carrying PETA member.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
astac I know these people can be a real problem...there have been more than one instance in this city where women wearing 20k dollar fur coats end up getting paint thrown on them walking downtown...
i have lots of leather stuff too...including my new recliner and ottoman...all i'm saying is in front of my 4 yr old i wouldn't have done that
I have no empathy with those people
It also seems you have no empathy for those who have theior children terrorized by these whackos.
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when my kids were little I had a perfect defense to the Peta morons.
my girls would sing a song whenever we ran into them (thank God it wasn't very often. but around here it happens more often than most places). the girls were all dressed up in there going-out dresses, and 4 and 6 years old I actually saw them make a couple Peta freaks cry.
I don't know the name of the song but here are the lyrics. teach it to your kids.
way up north where it's cold, and you know there ain't no gold
people make a living off of seal skins they have sold
but me, I like to kill-'um because it's so full-fill'n
and I hate to see a baby seal grow old
now you don't kill a seal because you want a meal
you kill 'm just because you want to hear the little sucker squeal
you smash in their head, and now this parts just for kicks
you poke them in the eyes with your eye-poking-sticks
during the last line they do their eye-poking dance. they twirl around while making poking motions with their fingers.
it's all very cute.
they're older now and won't do the seal song anymore.:cry
the oldest turned into a vegetarian. :confused:
oh well it was fun while it lasted.
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:lol Great Capt.
I always thought that if you kept it peaceful and orderly, without screwing stuff up "protesting in the middle of traffic/causing accidents) then you were fine, so much for 8th grade social studies. Time to go slaughter a seal.
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Originally posted by nirvana
:lol Great Capt.
I always thought that if you kept it peaceful and orderly, without screwing stuff up "protesting in the middle of traffic/causing accidents) then you were fine, so much for 8th grade social studies. Time to go slaughter a seal.
I guess it all depends on the municipality. There's a thin line sometimes between protests and riots.
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ASTAC,
I strongly recommend writing a complaint and sending it to the local police authorities. The cops aren't supposed to choose sides and if there is the possibility of a confrontation, they need to deal with both sides fairly. In other words, the cops should disperse the crowd in addition to asking you to cease your activities.
A letter to the local newspaper editors might also be appropriate, as well as a letter to the mayor. Why? Because those protestors must receive permission to gather in large groups like that, and one condition for the permit being granted is a set of conditions to avoid violence. If the police must still step in to prevent violence, it can affect the future granting of permits, and therefore the fact that the police had to step in and threaten to arrest YOU should negatively affect future protest activities because they led to a police intervention.
In any case, I suggest the complaint to the police, combined with letters to the local newspapers and the mayor's office.
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Originally posted by Furball
shoulda gone and got a family bucket from KFC and ate it infront of them.
While wearing a fur coat :)
ASTAC,
As a parent, (as well as hunter and fisherman) I'm in agreement with your take on the situation. If they wanna protest fine but at the moment they start to engage your children, or my daughter with their BS, that's when they cross the line, my line.
Guns,
Welcome to Texas! Thankfully we don't have to put up with much, if any of this here.
Furball,
Fur clothing is not my thing and KFC has gone downhill around here at least, but maybe a trip to the local 2nd hand or Goodwill store (rabbit fur is OK) and KFC prior to my next visit with my daughter to the circus might be in order.
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Albiet here in Texas they would likely have their permit for several streets away. Now that you mention it 2 years ago I remember taking my daughter to the RB & BB Circus and there were a few folks protesting but about 1000 yards away as we were driving in to the arena parking.
Anyone remember the good old PETA posting days? Those were some great moments in O Club history.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
since when is a 'good person' identified as launching a personal public attack and illustrating to two young boys that it is ok to do so and use profanity in front of all kinds of women and children to make your point?
I would have thrown your arse in jail.
Nice parenting there :rolleyes:
riiiiiiiiiiight... teach you kids to take it up the backside from a bunch of left wing lesbian vegetarian tree hugging whale saving man hating hippies. I respect a guy that teaches his kids to stand up to these bullies instead of bending over like a pollitically correct nansy boy.
If some whacko started screaming in the face of my kid he'd end up on the deck fairly quickly with me claiming he 'touched' my child... maybe some jailtime with 'Bubba' and the gang would teach these PETA turds some real world realities.
Protest does not allow you to harass kids.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
time for a reality check...the cop wouldn't have threatened to lock you up if you weren't acting socially irresponsible
Sieg Heil!
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Yep gotta agree.... if some whacko starts talking to children in my family I am gonna tell them to shut up. If they continue and the police do nothing to protect my children then I will do it.
lazs
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I like meat. I wear animal skins. I dont like people in my face because of it. However, the idea of having wild animals perform tricks is a bit outdated. Zoos are one thing..the circus is another.
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Upset my kids with a confrontation.. continue to do so after a strenuous verbal caution not to do so..
oh, man.. ASTAC I admire your restraint.
Toronto, first rule of parenting... protect your children. You may think it's appropriate to let your kids and wife know you can't do jack to protect 'em... I'd call you a grapefruit and a POS if you let it happen.
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Crowd control is tough duty, I suspect the cop was doing what he thought would defuse the situation with the least amount of problems.
I would think most cops wouldnt be on the side of the peta pukes.
shamus
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Upset my kids with a confrontation.. continue to do so after a strenuous verbal caution not to do so...
It's called taunting. If it involves children and profanity, no court is going to uphold a charge of "disturbing the peace" against you.
The next time the circus is in town, wear a wire or a video camera. Imagine how many new members to the anti-PETA club you could muster with audio/video of PETA members yelling profanities at kids.
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This happened to me once when my daughters were little. I sent my 9 year old into a store to pay for my gasoline. She was excited to be doing such a grown up thing and ran into the store with the money. Some dimwit yelled at her for running outside the store. I lost it. He saw me come out of my car like a shot (I was yelling too, don't think I cussed but history forgot to record my words) and immediately began backpedalling while making excuses. He apologized before I could get near him.... dangit.
Don't have a clue what he actually said to her, but nothing makes my blood boil faster than when my kids are under attack... verbally or any other way.
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I agree with ASTAC...I don't care what someone's meaningless personal agenda of the day is...and why the hell should I? (BTW...I am a complete animal lover...just not a PETA fanatic)
Got a beef? (and who doesn't have thier own axe to grind these days...it's the national hobby!)...then go ahead and meet up...carry your little signs...march around in circles...whatever.
Get anywhere near my kids...or try to manipulate their emotions...or even risk making one of them cry...and I will rain Hell down on anyone, anywhere at anytime.
Never...Ever...EVER...mess with my children. End of discussion.
...and when the cops lose sight of this (I have a RIGHT to be left the hell alone)..then they are wrong. Happens all the time.
In my opinion...even if you are right, the minute you involve children in adult issues...you are instantly wrong. Dissenters...I don't relate to where you're coming from...but protecting my own children from being accosted by perfect strangers is my A-number-one priority. Should be yours, too. If you don't think so, check your own parenting. Gonna teach your children that they must subject themselves to the whims of others, no matter what? What, are we all to be victims to the cravenly PC?
I also agree with Vulcan...do something like this to my kids and, especially if I see a tear, you're gonna eat pavement. And around here, I'll tell the cops you touched my kid, or made a lewd suggestion, and the problem is solved.
The RIGHT to protest is fundamental to this country, and I am absolutely committed to it. However, the nature and means of peacful protest does NOT involve accosting small children.
PS...sorry for the terrible, but unintended, pun.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Toronto, first rule of parenting... protect your children. You may think it's appropriate to let your kids and wife know you can't do jack to protect 'em... I'd call you a grapefruit and a POS if you let it happen.
I agree 100%...I had the picture wrong...we don't have PETA up here (that I know of)...I had no idea they were that threatening and aggressive. The only thing I've known of PETA prior to this is the story(s) of PETA members throwing paint on the expensive fur coats of a couple of women (and that was years ago)
I originally made my statement because I thought astac didn't like this group and 'made a scene' which drew the attention of police. I never imagined the scenerio you guys are painting here. Knowing what I know now I whole-heartedly agree with astacs response.
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Originally posted by Furball
shoulda gone and got a family bucket from KFC and ate it infront of them.
sausages/bacon/pork scratchings would have been even better.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
time for a reality check...the cop wouldn't have threatened to lock you up if you weren't acting socially irresponsible
Or is the reality check more like the cop wouldnt have if there were 200 of him mocking the few protesters and not the other way around.
Seems to me the protesters were acting far more socially irresponcable or at the very least only as bad as him. yet its far easier to lock one guy up then a couple hundred.
He quite simply was the easier of the two targets
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Originally posted by beet1e
sausages/bacon/pork scratchings would have been even better.
No matter the situation or the question, bacon is always better.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Seems to me the protesters were acting far more socially irresponcable or at the very least only as bad as him. yet its far easier to lock one guy up then a couple hundred.
this is where a line of policmen on horseback become real effective
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this is where a line of policmen on horseback become real effective
Isn't that just antagonizing Peta? :aok
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
this is where a line of policmen on horseback become real effective
And if thats the way they did it then it would be fine, but more often then not they go after the easy out.
In this case it would have been ASTAC. Even though he was the one provoked it woulda been him going to jail and not the ones that started it, the protestors.
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Hi ASTAC,
Over the past few years PETA has actually started aiming their campaigns directly at children, as they rightly figure they are more impressionable, and more easily emotionally manipulated. Their hopes are that the next generation will "feel" their way through life in a manner similar to the Hollywood nitwits they get to appear in their ads.
Here is an example from a recent campaign, the Boston Herald ran an article on December 17, 2003 reporting that
"Animal rights advocates will single out small children at performances of "The Nutcracker" in the next few weeks by handing out fliers saying "Your Mommy Kills Animals" to youngsters whose mothers are wearing fur.
Lisa Franzetta, a national coordinator for PETA, said the group will launch its "fur-ocious" protest at `Nutcracker' performances in as many as 20 cities across the United States.
Worldnet Daily went on to comment on the campaign:
"The fliers feature a woman stabbing a terrified rabbit in the belly with a bloody knife, reports the Boston Herald. Text on the pamphlets urges kids to "ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her fur clothes."
"Children can't look up to a mom in a battered-raccoon hat or a crushed coyote collar,'' Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, told the paper. "Maybe when they're confronted by their own children's hurt looks, fur-wearers' cold hearts will melt.''
According to the report, the fliers even urge children to protect their pets from mom: "The sooner she stops wearing fur, the sooner the animals will be safe. Until then, keep your doggie or kitty friends away from mommy – she's an animal killer.''
Here's the flier they actually handed out to kids:
(http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/petakooks.jpg)
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I hereby declare myself officially at war with PETA
If there is a way for me to legally offend, annoy or outright piss off this group of radical morons I will henceforth do so to the best of my ability within the constraints of the law.
Now all I need to do is find a PETA Rally nearby.
First off Im going to wear my leather jacket, leather boots and my daughters coonskin hat and sit across from them and open up a package with a TBone steak in it and eat it raw the blood running down my face whilst sitting across from them in plain view for all to see.
that aughta be good for a puke or two
:D
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better idea... bring baskets of rotten tomatos. Do a bit of recon.. get to high ground.
Institute tomato barrages on the PETA Nazi's..
:D
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One thing to remember Dreid, PETA maniacs WILL hurt you if they get the chance, and you sitting thre alone wearing leather and eating raw meat will give them that chance :)
These idiots are seriously nuts. They think its totally justifiable that a person should die to protect a rat. They would have no problems putting somone inthe hospital to make their "point".
Be careful. These are typical left wing ultra liberal whackos.
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dred: you mentioned eating steak...is peta against eating meat too?
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PETA is against killing any animal for any reason.
Note that this includes killing rats, locust, weavils, and other assorted vermin.
It also belives that no animal should be used by any person. This includes cats, dogs, horses, and everything else.
Another belief is that the earth should be largely depopulated by humans so that animals may "live in peace".
As I said, totally whacko.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
when my kids were little I had a perfect defense to the Peta morons.
my girls would sing a song whenever we ran into them (thank God it wasn't very often. but around here it happens more often than most places). the girls were all dressed up in there going-out dresses, and 4 and 6 years old I actually saw them make a couple Peta freaks cry.
I don't know the name of the song but here are the lyrics. teach it to your kids.
way up north where it's cold, and you know there ain't no gold
people make a living off of seal skins they have sold
but me, I like to kill-'um because it's so full-fill'n
and I hate to see a baby seal grow old
now you don't kill a seal because you want a meal
you kill 'm just because you want to hear the little sucker squeal
you smash in their head, and now this parts just for kicks
you poke them in the eyes with your eye-poking-sticks
during the last line they do their eye-poking dance. they twirl around while making poking motions with their fingers.
it's all very cute.
they're older now and won't do the seal song anymore.:cry
the oldest turned into a vegetarian. :confused:
oh well it was fun while it lasted.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Hi Dred,
In all seriousness, Shaky has a point, just because they are as left of center as it is possible to get doesn't mean that the PETA nuts can't be violent.
Remember, these are people who are happy to use intimidation to get their message across. The same is true of groups like ELF (Earth Liberation Front) and ACT-UP, these are people who are generally angry and looking for a fight, verbal or otherwise all the time. A pastor I know in a similar denomination to mine out in SF found that out the hard way after church invasions, fire-bombings, threats and vandalism...
Pastor's wife discusses attacks... (http://www.shakytown.com/shaky_town_clip1.wmv)
Most of 'em aren't like the Jihadis, in that they aren't willing to die for the movement, but many are willing to risk going to jail for it.
- SEAGOON
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As a side note, I am in no way related to the "Shakytown" link on Sea's video link :)