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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: xrtoronto on February 26, 2006, 04:24:47 PM
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Inappropriate.
I knew some snake bites were capable of doing stuff like this (and worse) but had no idea spider bites would do this!! I don't know where this spidy lives...just hope it's not around here.:O
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Midwest. Just like their name (Recluse) they like any nice shadowy corner. Basements. Cabinets. I've killed millions of those things, they give me the heebie jeebies just thinking about getting bit. They freak me out worse than Black Widows. They like quiet out of the way spots with lots of shadow to hide in. During the fall always make sure you look inside a cabinet or mailbox or that back corner of the toolshed before you reach a hand in. If you get bit, head for the hospital ASAP. You can always tell a Brown Recluse because it has a violin shaped mark on its back. They are also called Violin Spiders.
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Friend of mine found one in his car, after workin up in the forest near victorville. He didnt even know what it was, just said to me "look what I caught!". Of course, I said, "I hope you didnt get bit"
"why?"
"thats a brown recluse. It can kill you"
"cool! ill keep it as a pet!"
"Dude. Dont. It can KILL you"
"ok. still cool."
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Fact, fear, and loathing (http://spiders.ucr.edu/myth.html)
In other words... don't worry about 'em.
oh... and
Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp) is your friend.
This (http://spiders.ucr.edu/expert.html) is also a good read.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Fact, fear, and loathing (http://spiders.ucr.edu/myth.html)
In other words... don't worry about 'em.
oh... and
Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp) is your friend.
This (http://spiders.ucr.edu/expert.html) is also a good read.
Yep, although those photos may very well be a worse case scenario, I was bit by one a long time ago. And to quote my doctor "If its going to rot, its going to rot, not much you can do about it" although, mine didn't do much but swell up pretty good and hurt for a week or so.
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how big are those spiders?
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
how big are those spiders?
Pretty small, probably roughly about the size of a quarter.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
how big are those spiders?
Adult brown recluse spiders have a leg span about the size of a quarter. Their body is about 3/8 inches long and about 3/16 inches wide.
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we have hobo spiders in this part of the country. just as nasty as the brown recluse. they also call them 'agressive house spiders'. only spider I ever saw that will actually run at you from 4-5 feet away.
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Daughter was bitten by a brown recluse when she was young (6-7ish) and because she was so small (prob. 50lbs or under) the poison didn't stay at the bite, but spread throughout her body via. her lymphatic system.
Quick trip to the hospital, and couple doc visits and she was just fine. We left a week later to go on a vacation.
Day 2 of said vacation the bite area got infected, and due to the damage done by the recluse a massive infection spread throughout her body. We got to spend 4-5 days in the St. Louis Jewish Hospital (kudos to them, top-notch place) and eventually she was ok.
So the bite isn't what did it, it was the infection that spread due to the damage the poison causes.
To this day I shake out my shoes and clothes before I put 'em on. Nasty little buggers.
(Official member of the "kill the brown recluse with extreme prejudice club)
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Say what you want about urban legands and such, and how a brown recluse bite may or may not kill you, but when I was growing up there was a kid that got bit by one in an old pickup that sat out in a field, his parents thought it was just a bug bite, and after 5 days the kids leg looked like it was going to rot off, say what you want but thinking about that spider gives me the creeps.
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We have brown recluse spiders up here in CT and their bites can cause you to amputate your whole leg or arm and if dont get it amputated it will kill you. Ive seen these spiders though big and fast.
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They usually end up in closets and attics and such. They like to hang out in cardboard boxes also. I saw a lady once who got a bite from a "fiddle back" after pulling down some blankets from a closet. The spider fell on to her shoulder and bit her. She developed a necrotic spot about size of baseball. It healed okay eventually. I always check my shoes and clothing before putting it on cause I live in the Texas/Oklahoma area.
Funny thing is some people think placing an electric current over the bite site will disable the toxin. I've even heard of people shocking themselves with a stun gun or even a car battery gizmo. No studies to show this works.
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Originally posted by Scatcat
They usually end up in closets and attics and such. They like to hang out in cardboard boxes also. I saw a lady once who got a bite from a "fiddle back" after pulling down some blankets from a closet. The spider fell on to her shoulder and bit her. She developed a necrotic spot about size of baseball. It healed okay eventually. I always check my shoes and clothing before putting it on cause I live in the Texas/Oklahoma area.
Funny thing is some people think placing an electric current over the bite site will disable the toxin. I've even heard of people shocking themselves with a stun gun or even a car battery gizmo. No studies to show this works.
I've heard about the stun gun thing before. It was on the news a long time ago. This lady who was bit on the arm or something, shocked herself with it daily for treatment.
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Originally posted by WMLute
(Official member of the "kill the brown recluse with extreme prejudice club)
I have many,many scalps.:aok
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Originally posted by Sandman
Fact, fear, and loathing (http://spiders.ucr.edu/myth.html)
In other words... don't worry about 'em.
oh... and
Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp) is your friend.
This (http://spiders.ucr.edu/expert.html) is also a good read.
Just curious, what point were you trying to make there? The first link is about Brown Recluse spiders living in California, and the Snopes article is listed as "undetermined".
If you were trying to say that people blow the potential for a bite from these spiders out of proportion, then you have a valid point. But having seen the results of a bite firsthand, and having grown up in Southern Illinois and Southeast Missouri, I know all too well the fear of being one of those on the smaller side of the statistics.
I admit freely, I dont like spiders to start with. But I recognize the benefits vs irrational fear and mostly leave them alone. I live on the principle of instant eradication however, when it comes to the Brown Recluse or Black Widow. Even though its likely that if one SHOULD bite me it would not be fatal, why take the chance? As far as i can tell, these two species of spider serve no natural purpose that the others cant fill in for, and they are actually potentially dangerous to humans. You do as you please. If I see one its gettin squashed.
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I sure hope they are on an endangered species list and are protected by the Feds. You guys are heartless.
I hope the feds will use our new eminent domain laws to evict any Neanderthal who is harming them (and seize their property in a process of course). The proceeds from the sale of the property should go to the PETA and ALF
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Squashing PETA nuts would be even more satisfying than squashing spiders. By all means, call them. :)
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Being a plumber I thank God that we dont have them this far north. (Atleast I havent heard of any) The other day I was in a crawlspace changing out old copper to pex. Spiders were everywhere. Days like that I hate my job.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Being a plumber I thank God that we dont have them this far north. (Atleast I havent heard of any) The other day I was in a crawlspace changing out old copper to pex. Spiders were everywhere. Days like that I hate my job.
Bigger man than me, because I flat out could not do that!
I hate spiders in every sense of the word. Hell just reading those articles gave me the creeps, I'll probably have spider nightmares tonight.
What a freaking pansy I am!
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Originally posted by mietla
I sure hope they are on an endangered species list and are protected by the Feds. You guys are heartless.
I hope the feds will use our new eminent domain laws to evict any Neanderthal who is harming them (and seize their property in a process of course). The proceeds from the sale of the property should go to the PETA and ALF
You've got to be kidding me, evict me for killing spiders? Please be jokeing. If yor not jokeing then tell both peta and alf which part of the squished spider they can kiss. I hate spiders, I've hated spiders since I was in pigtails, and I'll breathe my last breath squishing them flat, wipeing them up with toliet paper, and flushing them down the toliet.
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When I was little, I wasn't afraid of spiders since I didn't see a lot of them in IL, mostly Wolf Spiders that were more cool than creepy.
Then I saw Arachnophobia. THAT did it.
I kill spiders and then torch the body.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Bigger man than me, because I flat out could not do that!
I hate spiders in every sense of the word. Hell just reading those articles gave me the creeps, I'll probably have spider nightmares tonight.
What a freaking pansy I am!
I am with you. I used to shoot them with my BB gun, that way I wouldnt have to get close.
Only dady longlegs live, all other spiders die as soon as I can kill them.
The one time I decided to not kill on that was on my celing, I left it alone about a week, then one night I didnt see it and when I pulled back my blanket the ****er was in my bed. They just creep me out, I have the creeps right now after reading that stuff sandy posted.
I have read it before though and there are none in my area. Black widows are all over though but they are web spiders that like dark places so they are not much of a worry.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Just curious, what point were you trying to make there? The first link is about Brown Recluse spiders living in California, and the Snopes article is listed as "undetermined".
If you were trying to say that people blow the potential for a bite from these spiders out of proportion, then you have a valid point. But having seen the results of a bite firsthand, and having grown up in Southern Illinois and Southeast Missouri, I know all too well the fear of being one of those on the smaller side of the statistics.
I admit freely, I dont like spiders to start with. But I recognize the benefits vs irrational fear and mostly leave them alone. I live on the principle of instant eradication however, when it comes to the Brown Recluse or Black Widow. Even though its likely that if one SHOULD bite me it would not be fatal, why take the chance? As far as i can tell, these two species of spider serve no natural purpose that the others cant fill in for, and they are actually potentially dangerous to humans. You do as you please. If I see one its gettin squashed.
Oh yeah, I like those who downplay the black widow, when I lived in Florida I had one put me in ICU for 17 hours. If I see a daddy long legs or a small white house spider, I usually leave them alone(hey, they are helping me out), but any other spider dies!
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Oh yeah, I like those who downplay the black widow, when I lived in Florida I had one put me in ICU for 17 hours. If I see a daddy long legs or a small white house spider, I usually leave them alone(hey, they are helping me out), but any other spider dies!
We have both in Texas (brown recluse and black widow). The Black widow is not as big as the ones they like to put in movies, but I was amazed at how far one can jump when its pissed off !
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
we have hobo spiders in this part of the country. just as nasty as the brown recluse. they also call them 'agressive house spiders'. only spider I ever saw that will actually run at you from 4-5 feet away.
I don't think you can call them Hobo's anymore, they prefer "residentially challenged" :rolleyes:
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When I was a kid Id capture the meanest looking spider I could find and put it in a jar. Then Id find a couple of ants and hold arena combat.
Thinking of that reminded me of something funny. My lil brother and I had a model train set HO scale. We had houses and everything on it. We also had a bad gypsy moth catipillar year. So we grabbed a few and had train day. We'd get the train windin around the tracks fast and let the gypsys run wild getting run over. Then we'd play "gasleak" and put one in a model house. The houses had clear plastic windows. Id take a lighter and pump gas into the house. Then touch ot off. Boom...the windows would blow out and the hair on the catipillar would singe and he'd be thrashing around.
I tried it once in the lichen forest we had. Mind you..this is in the attic of my folks garage. I didnt know lichen was so flammable. I ended up hiking one leg up on top on the train set, crushing out the flames to put it out. Scared the crap outta me!
Yes..I was a sick, sadistic child. Luckily when I came to the fork in the road at puberty, I took the right towards "Normalcyville", instead of the left fork toward "Dhalmerton".
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tourching baby butterflies!! thats just sick
i like it. :aok
we always have huge fruit spiders on our garden fence and shed. we would hunt around for the juiciest looking bugs, then throw them into the webs. old fruity would shoot right down, inject, wrap, and then either save it for later, or discard it if it wasnt edible.
my brother and I also would do insect arena fight club. those were fun. mostly the bugs would sit there and both go 'chit, how do we get out of this bowl? I ain't gunna fight you lad, we need to work together.'
fantastic to see the killer instinct of nature at work when they did fight though.
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Thinking of that reminded me of something funny. My lil brother and I had a model train set HO scale. We had houses and everything on it. We also had a bad gypsy moth catipillar year. So we grabbed a few and had train day. We'd get the train windin around the tracks fast and let the gypsys run wild getting run over. Then we'd play "gasleak" and put one in a model house. The houses had clear plastic windows. Id take a lighter and pump gas into the house. Then touch ot off. Boom...the windows would blow out and the hair on the catipillar would singe and he'd be thrashing around.
I tried it once in the lichen forest we had. Mind you..this is in the attic of my folks garage. I didnt know lichen was so flammable. I ended up hiking one leg up on top on the train set, crushing out the flames to put it out. Scared the crap outta me!
Yes..I was a sick, sadistic child. Luckily when I came to the fork in the road at puberty, I took the right towards "Normalcyville", instead of the left fork toward "Dhalmerton". -Filth
This reminds me of a high school buddy of mine named Al who had a huge HO scale diorama of a WW2 battlefield that filled a whole ping-pong table. It was so detailed - all soldiers were hand painted and he had posed each one with a hot razor blade, for instance, a dead german soldier hanging from barbed wire with a belly wound bleeding out - it would take you all afternoon with a magnifying to see everything in it.
My buddy Al did not successfully negotiate the turn in the road towards "Normalcyville." We grew apart, he got into drugs, got into a home town jam and went to Vietnam with the US Army. After he got over there, he was practising guick-drawing and twirling his Colt .45 when a Lieutenant came into his hootch, and the gun accidently went off shooting the officer in the neck. My buddy got into a lot of trouble for that. :D He also got addicted to heroin over there.
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Anyway, I never got bit by a spider, but I got stung by scorpion that was sitting on a wooden fence post. I leaned my arm on it and got stung on my underarm. I was really doing a dance. I was ignorant about Florida scorpions, and I thought I was going to die. I drove myself to the hospital and they gave me steriods. It turned out to be just one very painful but non life threatening experience.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Just curious, what point were you trying to make there? The first link is about Brown Recluse spiders living in California, and the Snopes article is listed as "undetermined".
If you were trying to say that people blow the potential for a bite from these spiders out of proportion, then you have a valid point. But having seen the results of a bite firsthand, and having grown up in Southern Illinois and Southeast Missouri, I know all too well the fear of being one of those on the smaller side of the statistics.
I admit freely, I dont like spiders to start with. But I recognize the benefits vs irrational fear and mostly leave them alone. I live on the principle of instant eradication however, when it comes to the Brown Recluse or Black Widow. Even though its likely that if one SHOULD bite me it would not be fatal, why take the chance? As far as i can tell, these two species of spider serve no natural purpose that the others cant fill in for, and they are actually potentially dangerous to humans. You do as you please. If I see one its gettin squashed.
The article about recluse spiders in California is interesting simply because it speaks to the number of spiders that are probably living in your home if you're in the zone and that bites are still rare. I live in California and most people I know are certain that recluse spiders are a threat even though none of them have ever actually seen one.
The Snopes article points out that they're not certain that the pics are the result of a reclue bite.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Oh yeah, I like those who downplay the black widow, when I lived in Florida I had one put me in ICU for 17 hours. If I see a daddy long legs or a small white house spider, I usually leave them alone(hey, they are helping me out), but any other spider dies!
Black widows freak me out. When my daughter was about two she walked in the kitchen and said, "Daddy, look what I found." In her hand was a live black widow.
I hate those things and I usually patrol the yard every couple of months for them.
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DMF,
Spit the hook out there buddy, Mietla just threw in a nice shiney spoon and you bit on it. :eek:
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Originally posted by Sandman
Black widows freak me out. When my daughter was about two she walked in the kitchen and said, "Daddy, look what I found." In her hand was a live black widow.
What did you do?
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Being a plumber I thank God that we dont have them this far north. (Atleast I havent heard of any) The other day I was in a crawlspace changing out old copper to pex. Spiders were everywhere. Days like that I hate my job.
People use PEX in homes?
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Yeah, we get Black Widows and the occasional Brown Recluse down here in NC. Got to admit though, neither of them alarm me as much as the Ticks. Spider bites, while nasty are short term, the effects of Lyme disease on the other hand, can last a lifetime.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Thrawn
What did you do?
I grabbed her wrist and made sure she didn't close her hand on it. Then I swept it off her palm and killed it.
I'm not sure how she even picked the thing up.
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We have Brown Recluse, Black widows in WA state. Primarily in the East side of the state (its like Arizona in the summer). We also have scorpions.
Black Widows and Recluse can make their way to the Western side of the state in the summer. We had a Black Widow "nest" in the building I worked in back in the summer of '97. They said it probably came over in a shipping container from Moses Lake area (Where there is another Boeing site in support of Test Operations)
I found a male Black Widow while cleaning up my garage one day. It was dead. The males are smaller and have no red spot on the abdomen.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I grabbed her wrist and made sure she didn't close her hand on it. Then I swept it off her palm and killed it.
I'm not sure how she even picked the thing up.
My brother-in-law had an orange packing house for a while. Black widows were an everyday occurrence for him. He still will just reach out and squish them with his thumb. Creeps me out every time I see it. I like using a baseball bat... if not something bigger.
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LOL, immediately after reading this thread I had to go out to the garage and clean up a bunch of stuff... everything I touched I was like eek better not be one of those things hiding in there rofl.
:mad:
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I'll probably die from a nervous system disorder, but I like using spider killer spray. Gets that spider plus the next one that walks through the kill zone.
I guess I won't be able to do that as much if/when I have kids...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
We have Brown Recluse, Black widows in WA state. Primarily in the East side of the state (its like Arizona in the summer). We also have scorpions.
Black Widows and Recluse can make their way to the Western side of the state in the summer. We had a Black Widow "nest" in the building I worked in back in the summer of '97. They said it probably came over in a shipping container from Moses Lake area (Where there is another Boeing site in support of Test Operations)
I found a male Black Widow while cleaning up my garage one day. It was dead. The males are smaller and have no red spot on the abdomen.
IIRC, males are also non-poisonous.
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Originally posted by eagl
I'll probably die from a nervous system disorder, but I like using spider killer spray. Gets that spider plus the next one that walks through the kill zone.
I guess I won't be able to do that as much if/when I have kids...
You know what else works great?
Windex.
Spray it on the bottom of your shoe and then step on 'em.
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Originally posted by Sandman
IIRC, males are also non-poisonous.
I think you are right. But hey, why take chances? The female will just kill them anyway after they mate. I figure by killing him now, I not only save him the experience of the bad divorce, I prevent one more batch of babies from ever being born.
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Originally posted by Sandman
IIRC, males are also non-poisonous.
Yeah, I know. And its unusual to find them I suppose, since the female will eat the male right?
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There are lots of pics of black widow spiders but nonthing to give you an idea of how big they are. Are they a big spider or small? Are they an outdoor spider or do they set up shop in the corner of a window?
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
There are lots of pics of black widow spiders but nonthing to give you an idea of how big they are. Are they a big spider or small? Are they an outdoor spider or do they set up shop in the corner of a window?
black widows are pretty small. I haven't seen one in a long time, but I'd guess roughly about the size of a nickel. Maybe a bit bigger. And I've never seen one indoors, I've seen them out in and around the garage alot though.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
There are lots of pics of black widow spiders but nonthing to give you an idea of how big they are. Are they a big spider or small? Are they an outdoor spider or do they set up shop in the corner of a window?
Size varies... I've seen them rather small... abdomen about the size of a pea and leg span about the size of a quarter to double that and an abdomen larger than a marble with a good 2+ inch leg span. I've seen larger ones out in the desert than the ones you'll typically find in town. I think they enjoy less competition in the wild.
With few exceptions I've found them outside, but I found a really big one in one of our bathrooms a few years ago.
If you're looking for them, they hunt at night. They'll be out on their webs then. Find them with a flashlight and then just spray them with poison.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, I know. And its unusual to find them I suppose, since the female will eat the male right?
Not always. Sometimes they get away.
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Originally posted by Sandman
You know what else works great?
Windex.
Spray it on the bottom of your shoe and then step on 'em.
Sandman, do you use regular Windex or extra strength (more ammonia) I also wonder if you tried Easy Off oven cleaner :t
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Originally posted by Sandman
You know what else works great?
Windex.
Are you Greek? :)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Size varies... I've seen them rather small... abdomen about the size of a pea and leg span about the size of a quarter to double that and an abdomen larger than a marble with a good 2+ inch leg span. I've seen larger ones out in the desert than the ones you'll typically find in town. I think they enjoy less competition in the wild.
With few exceptions I've found them outside, but I found a really big one in one of our bathrooms a few years ago.
If you're looking for them, they hunt at night. They'll be out on their webs then. Find them with a flashlight and then just spray them with poison.
All the ones I see match the pea size thing, with the exception of the one that was inches from my bare hand on the bottom of a GTO radiator brace I was moving. Picked it up, tossed it on the junk pile and it flipped over and right were my hand was, was the biggest black widow I ever saw.
Freaked me out.
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GTO, there are these things called gloves, ya know, that you can put on your hands when you're going work like that. You can find them at any hardware store. Just thought I'd let you know. :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
Not always. Sometimes they get away.
Something tells me that getting away wasn't in their prenuptial contract. :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
GTO, there are these things called gloves, ya know, that you can put on your hands when you're going work like that. You can find them at any hardware store. Just thought I'd let you know. :D
That's true, and trust me, that little incedent taught me that lesson.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My brother-in-law had an orange packing house for a while. Black widows were an everyday occurrence for him. He still will just reach out and squish them with his thumb. Creeps me out every time I see it. I like using a baseball bat... if not something bigger.
Had this spider expert come and talk to my chemistry club in college and he said that most people get bit because if the spider is on your skin and you squish it, it reacts by biting. He said its usually okay to hold them as long as you don't push down on them. I guess as long as the spider isn't on ya, squishing with a thumb aint a problem. Although I really hate spiders, not to mention snakes too
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Originally posted by Maverick
DMF,
Spit the hook out there buddy, Mietla just threw in a nice shiney spoon and you bit on it. :eek:
Oh well, how was I supposed to know? I mean the Peta headquarters is about 15 miles away from me and their a bunch of freaks. Besides spiders freak me out to the point that I'll burn down my apt complex to kill one.
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Originally posted by Krusher
We have both in Texas (brown recluse and black widow). The Black widow is not as big as the ones they like to put in movies, but I was amazed at how far one can jump when its pissed off !
I had no idea what bit me at first, I thought it was just a big spider. I was sun tanning and it had been raining the night before so I didn't use the chair and put a towel on the cement walkway out to the shed. I sat up to take a swig of my beer, I layed back down and I got stung in the middle of the back, felt like a bad bee sting. I didn't see anything on the towel, shrugged it off and layed back down. It must have been on my back cause when I layed down it got me again on my leftside upper back near my shoulder. This time it got kinda crushed, it's legs were all balled up to it's body. It's body was the size of a good size bumble bee, biggest spider I ever saw. I got a broom and swept it off into the bushes and went back to drinking and tanning.
But the pain was getting bad and it was running down my arm now. I took a cold shower and hoped the pain would be gone when I got done, but it was getting worse. My girlfriend calls me and she notices my gasps of pain, I told her I got bit by a spider and I was in agony. She says "was it black?", then says "it was a black widow!", I'm like, waaaa? I had heard of black widows, but I thought they were some spider that was found in Africa or some other part of the world.
When I get to the hospital they put me in ICU and start shooting me up with calcium, valium and I think demerol(spell?) They wanted to give me morphine but I wouldn't let them, I know, my friends were baffled too, but I thought the morphine would keep me there longer than I wanted to be. I flat lined twice, the last thing I remember is fading out to black and hearing the machine flatline, then I would come back, all they did was shake me to get the heart going again. I think it was all the drugs that did it more than the spider toxin.
I finally got out of there at about two in the morning, I lied to them and told them the pain wasn't bad and I was feeling ok, I didn't want to stay there. And as much as they wanted me to stay, they couldn't make me stay. They wrote me a prescription for valium and sent me on my way. My friend Dave told me(he and some other friends had been out in the waiting room) they told him to contact my family in case something happened, so the first thing I did was call my mom.
They told me I would lose some layers of skin off my back, the toxin would kill alot of skin, and they weren't kidding, it peeled for days.
About a month later I'm helping my boss put a fence up in his backyard, and out of the wood pile comes a black spider. He says "that could be a black widow", I says "no, the one that got me was bigger than that", he says "flip it over with the shovel". I flip it over and there it is, a blood red hour glass shape, it's a black widow alright. He says "well....kill it!" I mashed it with the shovel and I am thinking, geez, this is crazy, rattlesnakes, black widows, giant roaches, scorpions(small), screw this, i'm going home(north) where it's safe.
So, if you reside where these spiders live, don't take them lightly, I hate to think what would happen to a child from a bite. I think cause the spider that bit me was rather large and got me twice is the reason I had such a hard time.
So yeah, when I see a spider, it dies!
Off topic, but another thing they told me down there, if you are being chased by a gator, zig-zag, cause although they can run up to 35mph, they can only go in a stright line. Dunno if it's true, but that's what they told me!
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About 1/5 people are allergic to black widows.
Those who are not allergic suffer from extreme fever and hallucinations for 24 hours. It is rumoured that those bitten twice are barely affected. But no one volunteered for it again.
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Originally posted by dmf
Oh well, how was I supposed to know? .
You see, that's a scary part. What I've said was an absolute nonsense, and yet, in today's era of a big and omnipotent government and rabit out of control courts, it is to some extent believable.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
So, if you reside where these spiders live, don't take them lightly, I hate to think what would happen to a child from a bite. I think cause the spider that bit me was rather large and got me twice is the reason I had such a hard time.
So yeah, when I see a spider, it dies!
Buy a Bird so he can eat your spiders.... :)
There was an old lady who swallowed a bird;
How absurd, to swallow a bird!
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider
That wriggled and jiggled and wiggled inside her.
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Originally posted by mietla
You see, that's a scary part. What I've said was an absolute nonsense, and yet, in today's era of a big and omnipotent government and rabit out of control courts, it is to some extent believable.
Wel lall I can say about Peta and the ALF is guess what part of my body they can both kiss.
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I hear the Redback spider in Australia is as nasty as the Black Widow.
(http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/bugs/images/resources/MN015775_180.jpg)
Other than the color, it looks almost the same.
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Bikini spiders are deadly, too.
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As a plastic surgeon taking hospital ER call, I've seen only 3-4 bad recluse bites over a 20 year span. They can appear quite innocuous initially, but as the cells die they release the toxin which is picked up by more cells & so on......then comes 2ndary infection......rare but horrible wounds.
-MI-{Shillelagh}
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(http://www.peterspics.net/gallery/Butterflies_etc/Eye-to-eyes-with-a-dock-spi.jpg)
Above is a picture of a 'fishing or dock spider' found in cottage country north of Toronto. It's a big spider, about the size of an average hand. Not generally agressive or known for their bites but gawd are they scary to look at! They are hairy and move very quickly about. They also have an ability to hide underwater. My moment of encounter with one of these was waking up one beautiful summer morning at the cottage and just as I opened my eyes I saw one of these spiders about 3 inches from my face on my pillow.
:O
here's a blurb about dock spiders (http://www.ottertooth.com/Temagami/Nature/fishingspider.htm)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Fact, fear, and loathing (http://spiders.ucr.edu/myth.html)
In other words... don't worry about 'em.
oh... and
Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp) is your friend.
This (http://spiders.ucr.edu/expert.html) is also a good read.
Awwww...c'mon Sandy, some folks get off bein scared outta their wits.
Spoil-sport.;)
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There are also some spiders here, but we also got antidotes :aok
Actually,when you get bit by a spider/snake you are advised to capture the insect and take it alive to a hospital that they can make the antidote in a day, unless they got some stocked.
The darker/hairer/uglier/bigger=painfull bit but no poison
The colorful/smaller/cute=killer poison
:huh Weird
I dont know if it happes there on USA but its something that makes me laugh.
A vet takes his tarantula to a tv show and the beautiful blonde tv presenter ask to hold it. The vet speaks a lot to her dont shake ger hand and to dont let the spider fall because it got a weak belly and surely will die if fall from anything higher than 2 feet. Then the tarantula starts to walk on the tv presenter arm and she starts to shake and the vet go crazy. Double fun with the tv presenter faces and with the vet nervousism
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
About 1/5 people are allergic to black widows.
Those who are not allergic suffer from extreme fever and hallucinations for 24 hours. It is rumoured that those bitten twice are barely affected. But no one volunteered for it again.
Its because the first time its a strange corpus on your organism, all the fever and the 24 hours is what takes to your organism produce the right antidote.On the second time you get bit,the formula is there,just need to make it
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We have a similar spider ... well its bite is said to have similar reactions, its an Aussie import, the White Tail.
(http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biodiversity/invertebratesprog/spiders/images/WhiteTail_NZ.jpg)
Theres a big argument over what its bite does. Some say it causes necrotising arachnidism, flesh rot. Others say it causes long term flu symptoms. Others say it depends on the spiders diet (it eats other spiders).
I got bit one about 4 years ago and it put me in hospital for 4 days with bad asthma. Ever since then I've had asthma back (had it when I was a kid up to 12, then it stopped) and been on regular asthma meds.
A customer of mine also got bit, she got the flu like symptoms which come and go for 2 years.
All the official studies say the bite does nothing but irritate. But they also say the spider is not agressive, which is BS, I've come across big uns in my garage and they are very very argressive (ie charge you with their fangs and forelimbs raised). So I'm inclined to believe their might be different whitetail species involved.
Very wierd spider.
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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
There are also some spiders here, but we also got antidotes :aok
Actually,when you get bit by a spider/snake you are advised to capture the insect and take it alive to a hospital that they can make the antidote in a day, unless they got some stocked.
When I was bit('92' iirc), it was explained like this, the black widow's poison is a neurotoxin that is different from snake venom and can't be used to make an antidote. At the time there was no antidote for a black widow poison, there was an experimental antidote but that had side effects that could kill you and they didn't have any on hand anyway.
I hear they have made an antidote, shoot, maybe they have found a way to use the venom, but that is what the doctors told me at the time.
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Well, i admit freely i suffer from arachnophobia as well.
having some medical and zoological education i know perfectly well that they are mostly pretty harmless, especially speaking Europe here. Still makes my insides quiver in panic when i see one, see pics etc. Funnily enough, they fascinate me none the less.
Funny anecdote: A few years ago we had an unexpected and very unwelcome guest at zoological institute of vet school in Munich. Some guy coming home from a trip to Australia saw a small black spider running out of his suitcase on unpacking. Instead of just stepping on it, he caught it with a glass and called the firemen. Those, not knowing what to do with the possible "threat" called the zoological institute. Which came, took the now "official and known-to-authority" dangerous animal in "custody". It was indeed identified as a black widow species. But..... now what.... they had a small (about 1/3 inch WITH legs) black spider (more or less a danger) sitting in a jelly jar, inside another glass box inside another, save, glass box. Had it ever escaped, theyd probably never heard or seen anything from it again. They didnt know how to feed it, they couldnt kill it (since it was an official thing).........
We (students and prof) had a good laugh about it, prof said he just wished the guy wouldve smashed the thing on sight. Unfortunatly i dont know what happened to the poor, unsuspecting spider. It probably had to starve to death in its jar.....
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I have news for you: One of my co workers (MD) told me yesterday that there are stats out there that states that a human being eats an average of eight spiders in his life. this happpens during the night, when you sleep with your mouth open..; they crawl in, and you swallow.
I have been sleeping with a gas mask on ever since.
The best anti-spider thing to have: When I was a kid, back in Djakarta, we had an ape (Gibbon?)staying with us, he would take care of spiders and cockroaches. I guess that's the only reason my mum let it roam around the house freely (she was less happy when he ate her flemmish lace though...)
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LMAO Here
This is all most of you guys need
(http://www.hardwarestore.com/media/product/274092_front200.jpg)
Oh and this will give you some practice. If you can master killing flys, you can master spiders which move alot slower
FlySwat (http://majman.net/fly_loader.html)
(http://www.killsbugsdead.com/i/img_raidlogo.gif)
And Finally for yourselves :D
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007U9E14.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
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Ive had two minor black widow experiences. Both while stationed in Texas. The first time it was at night, and there was a water main leak near the apron of the field. There were valves, that are naturally underground, in valve boxes. Round pipe that goes from the surface down to the valve. An extention piece withe a block shape at each end that you put a valve wrench on usually gets buried by the dust thatblows so nice in Abilene.
I didnt have a flashlight, and I couldnt get the wrench on. So I figured Id use my fingers to scratch away the dirt. When I reached in the hole I felt a stringy web. Knowing that black widows dont make nice webs..just these criss-crossing lines, I yanked my hand back. Again I tried with just the wrench and I was able to turn it off.
The next day when we had the leak fixed I went to turn it back on. When I flipped the cover off the valve box...there in all its glory sat a big fat black widow.Im surprised it didnt get on my arm, or worse bite me. I was real careful after that.
The other time I was working on a mop sink faucet. Real tight work as the faucet is in a bad place to get at. Up inside I started to reach when I noticed the web again...this time not by feel but by sight. I squeezed under for a better look...and there she was. I think a nearby plunger handle finished her off.
As far as scorpions...the grounds crew..the guys who dug up our water mains, had a couple of clowns that would cut the stingers off scorpions, and hold them, then say look what I found...and throw it in your face. Nice lot.
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Was helping repair an elevated deer shooting house one time. It was about ten feet off the ground and 4 x 4 x 6 or so. Upon entering the stand with a hammer, I noticed vertical mud dauber tubes running the length from bottom to top inside the stand. Climbing up I had noticed irregular webs out in the open beneath the stand. This stand hadn't been used in a long time and was out in the woods.
I knocked one of the dauber tubes with the hammer, and out fell about 1000 dead black widow spiders. Just about made me panic until I noticed they were dead. I got out of there fast. Looked like a couple of them were alive and they received the hammer treatment. But they were small ones.
Discovered a very large one in a water meter at Gulf Shores, which is sandy terrain and somewhat dry. There were crickets alive in there, and I suppose that's what this one was hunting. Abdomen was the size of a marble with a two inch leg span. I've had nightmares where spiders are everywhere, but don't think I've been bitten by one. Though I've heard that black widow bites go un-noticed sometimes and aren't painful at first. They cause cramping in the stomach and back aches. Multiple bites could be painful from the start and very serious if you get into a nest and several bite. The one time I heard of this was I read in the newspaper when a man was reaching behind a bench in his shop and several bit him in the stomach area. He described it as being on fire instantly. This was a serious bite situation that could have been fatal.
Have heard tell that there is evidence that black widows chose whether to inject venom and that they meter the dose according to the circumstances. In other words, they can bite and not inject venom. It is not an involuntary reaction. If that is the case, all bites are not equal. Depends on how angry or upset it is, defending territory or such.
Always look before sticking your hand somewhere a spider could be. Even gloves stored outdoors in the shed might have a spider inside. Store gloves in the house in a toolbox where spiders are much less likely to be. Then wear them when outdoors working around woodpiles or any pile of cans, etc, that have been there for awhile. Because that's where they live, in any undisturbed dark place with moisture available. Moist areas attract them because that's where the food is. Be on guard of any place that has irregular webs in corners.
Les
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**** ALL of you. i got the heebie-jeebies big time right now thinking there's spiders all over under my desk waiting to jump on my leg and crap. :mad: :furious
i hate spiders more than any other living thing on this planet. i swear there are the seed of the devil himself.
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Just imagine one of these crawling across the top of your desk. ;)
(http://www.solpugid.com/Ammotrechula.jpg)
(http://www.solpugid.com/Eremochelisbilobatus2.jpg)
(http://www.solpugid.com/Eremochelishead.jpg)
Been there, done that and more than just once. :)
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It's bad form to shout "Holy ****!" at work with the office door open.
I just now found this out. :(
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Sandman, what is that?:O
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Sandman, what is that?:O
Sun spider, wind scorpion, camel spider... Solpugid (http://www.solpugid.com/index.htm).
Vicious miniature land sharks. Extremely aggressive. Fortunately, they're harmless to humans but they do look nasty.
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Harmless? :huh
With them big teeth, couldnt pay me to go near them.
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LOL... biggest I've seen had about a 3.5 inch leg span.
Like I said... harmless. :)
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Originally posted by Leslie
Have heard tell that there is evidence that black widows chose whether to inject venom and that they meter the dose according to the circumstances. In other words, they can bite and not inject venom. It is not an involuntary reaction. If that is the case, all bites are not equal. Depends on how angry or upset it is, defending territory or such.
If that's true then that would fit why my case was so bad, I layed down on the thing and it bit me out of defense of being crushed, lol, then I layed on it a second time, so she really let me have it!
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Originally posted by Leslie
Have heard tell that there is evidence that black widows chose whether to inject venom and that they meter the dose according to the circumstances. In other words, they can bite and not inject venom. It is not an involuntary reaction. If that is the case, all bites are not equal. Depends on how angry or upset it is, defending territory or such.
Les
Interesting. Hadn't heard that of spiders. From what I've been taught, this is true of rattlesnakes though.
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Originally posted by Krusher
Buy a Bird so he can eat your spiders.... :)
There was an old lady who swallowed a bird;
How absurd, to swallow a bird!
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider
That wriggled and jiggled and wiggled inside her.
I would like to see some old ladies Budgie try and eat this monster:
Queensland Bird Eating Spider
(http://www.tenforward.com.au/spiders/gallery/lifesize.jpg)
Bird Eating Spiders kill their prey by pouncing on it and injecting venom. They eat insects, lizards, frogs occasionally, small birds and other spiders...The bite from one of these spiders is potentially dangerous for they have fangs that grow up to 10mm in length with a diameter of 2.5mm at the base. These are great weapons. When provoked, they rear up and strike downwards. The penetration of such large fangs without venom (which is known to be very toxic) is dangerous in itself. These are powerful spiders
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Originally posted by Vulcan
A customer of mine also got bit, she got the flu like symptoms which come and go for 2 years.
So, like, your trick didn't appreciate your offered services? assholes :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
I hear the Redback spider in Australia is as nasty as the Black Widow.
(http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/bugs/images/resources/MN015775_180.jpg)
Other than the color, it looks almost the same.
We have got Redbacks in NZ as well. They are not that numerous as yet, but it's not news any more when some one finds one, so it seems they are well on the way to establishing themselves here. They hitch a ride on imports from Aussie, machinery and vehicles mostly.
The Redback is just another of their nasty little creepy crawlies the Aussies like to share with us.. oh well, we did give them Russel Crowe I suppose.
But this one we definately don't want:
Sydney Funnel Web Spider
[(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/8/82/200px-Atrax_robustus.jpg)
NZ hospitals stock Funnel Web antivenom just in case.
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Just keep in mind, everyone of those spiders is an insigificant wimp compared to the mighty killing power of your average homo sapiens sapiens.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Just keep in mind, everyone of those spiders is an insigificant wimp compared to the mighty killing power of your average homo sapiens sapiens.
:cool:
Yup, on a global scale your right of course Thrawn, but on a personal level if a Funnel Web crawled into bed with ya calling him a wimp won't help ya.
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Sandman:
*All photographs appearing on this website are copyrighted. Permission for their use must be granted by the copyright holder.
The pics you ripped from the website may get you in trouble. Yes.. got to love the 'no fair use' bs of modern drm. So expect to be sued at anytime in the near future. Or not if youre lucky. :(
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Originally posted by Vulcan
We have a similar spider ... well its bite is said to have similar reactions, its an Aussie import, the White Tail.
(http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biodiversity/invertebratesprog/spiders/images/WhiteTail_NZ.jpg)
Theres a big argument over what its bite does. Some say it causes necrotising arachnidism, flesh rot. Others say it causes long term flu symptoms. Others say it depends on the spiders diet (it eats other spiders).
I got bit one about 4 years ago and it put me in hospital for 4 days with bad asthma. Ever since then I've had asthma back (had it when I was a kid up to 12, then it stopped) and been on regular asthma meds.
A customer of mine also got bit, she got the flu like symptoms which come and go for 2 years.
All the official studies say the bite does nothing but irritate. But they also say the spider is not agressive, which is BS, I've come across big uns in my garage and they are very very argressive (ie charge you with their fangs and forelimbs raised). So I'm inclined to believe their might be different whitetail species involved.
Very wierd spider.
I was bitten on the finger by a White Tail three years ago while I was fencing. It was on top of a post that I put me hand on while I was stapling up the wire. I didn't see it until it bit me. The little sod has a fairly painful bite too, I jumped back a couple of feet. I didn't get any flu like symptoms but my finger didn't fare too well. Initially it only turned red, but within the week it had turned into a swollen puss filled mess. Two courses of antibiotics didn't seem to help at all, and it took months to heal up.
It's the big centipedes I watch out for, spiders don't bother me, if they did I would probably go mental cause I see a lot of them while I'm working, including huge Avondale spiders. But the White Tail is in a class of it's own, it's just plain nasty. I kill 'em on sight.
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No way could I live in Australia. Or apparantly New Zealand. Seems everything down there is big, nasty and poisoness. I hear the Australian red backked chipmunk will drop a man in 2 minutes.
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I find WD40 works great if you need an insecticide in a pinch..Great for indoor wasps..They can't fly after coated and the penetrating oil kills them(spiders/wasps) in seconds.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I find WD40 works great if you need an insecticide in a pinch..Great for indoor wasps..They can't fly after coated and the penetrating oil kills them(spiders/wasps) in seconds.
As does birchwood casey gun cleaner lol