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Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: storch on February 26, 2006, 04:58:03 PM
why?
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: 715 on February 26, 2006, 06:31:56 PM
I second that question.  I would like to be going up against Panzers in my T34, not other T34s.  While the AH Panzer completely outclasses the AH T34, the T34 can kill Panzers if you aim at the right parts.  T34 vs T34 combat often reduces to long boring drawn out richochet fests.
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Grits on February 26, 2006, 06:40:49 PM
How many Panzers did the Finns use?
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Platano on February 26, 2006, 06:46:04 PM
I guess it would Be nice to have some panzers....
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Grits on February 26, 2006, 07:55:08 PM
If you read the setup post it says that the Finn's used captured T-34's and thats why there are no Panzers. I asked how many Panzers the finn's had because I dont really know and thought maybe like the 109's they had gotten some from the Germans. If the Finns didnt have them I dont see why the Panzer should be enabled for the Axis.
Title: why does the axis ack stay down forever
Post by: storch on February 26, 2006, 08:26:26 PM
and the allied ack pops up in 30 seconds?  why?
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: storch on February 26, 2006, 08:27:58 PM
there are german bases in the south why don't those have panzers?  why?
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Slash27 on February 26, 2006, 09:07:40 PM
good god
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: storch on February 26, 2006, 09:44:39 PM
predictable answer
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: gear on February 26, 2006, 09:53:30 PM
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Originally posted by 715
I second that question.  I would like to be going up against Panzers in my T34, not other T34s.  While the AH Panzer completely outclasses the AH T34, the T34 can kill Panzers if you aim at the right parts.  T34 vs T34 combat often reduces to long boring drawn out richochet fests.


I was in a shoot out against another t34 and killed it in 2 shots.You just gotta know what roundsto use and where to place them.
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Treize69 on February 27, 2006, 02:03:12 AM
Yeah, I was also wondering why the southern part of the map (German, not Finn) didnt have Panzers.

Would at least spread the forces out a bit.
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Panzzer on February 27, 2006, 09:04:10 AM
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Originally posted by Grits
How many Panzers did the Finns use?
None in combat. But Finland had StuG III's with the 75mm gun (from 1943-).

But there's no reason not to add Panzers to the south side of the Gulf of Finland where Germans had them, except than time. We're only running this setup till September '44 when Finland and Soviet Union made peace - and the PzIV H was taken into combat use in August '44 (IIRC?).
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Grits on February 27, 2006, 09:17:31 AM
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Originally posted by Panzzer
None in combat. But Finland had StuG III's with the 75mm gun (from 1943-).

But there's no reason not to add Panzers to the south side of the Gulf of Finland where Germans had them, except than time. We're only running this setup till September '44 when Finland and Soviet Union made peace - and the PzIV H was taken into combat use in August '44 (IIRC?).


Thank you Panzzer, I dont know that much about the Finn/Russ conflict.

Seems you have your answer Storch.
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: 715 on February 27, 2006, 01:01:24 PM
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Originally posted by gear
I was in a shoot out against another t34 and killed it in 2 shots.You just gotta know what roundsto use and where to place them.


Yes, it is easy to kill another T34 if he is close or if the "bug part" is visible and near 90 degree deflection.

('Bug part' is the point where the sloped forward armor, the glacis plate, meets the sloped armor of the underside in the front.  In real life this piece was impenetrably thick, but AH treats it as normal thickness armor at 90 degrees.  So if you hit his junction at a reasonably close range, you can kill a T34 instantly.)
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: LLv34_Snefens on February 27, 2006, 02:05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Panzzer
None in combat. But Finland had StuG III's with the 75mm gun (from 1943-).

But there's no reason not to add Panzers to the south side of the Gulf of Finland where Germans had them, except than time. We're only running this setup till September '44 when Finland and Soviet Union made peace - and the PzIV H was taken into combat use in August '44 (IIRC?).


Not really. The Pz IVH was produced from April 1943 to July 1944, but the Pz IVF2, which was hardly different in regards to gun and armor, started to arrive in summer 1942.

Putting the IVH in the 1942 can be argued, but it should definetly be there in '43 (on the German part of the front).
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Panzzer on February 27, 2006, 03:25:11 PM
Yes, thanks Snefens, I did some reading after replying here, production of the Pz IV Ausf. H did start indeed in April 1943. So maybe the Panzer could be added to the southern side of the Gulf of Finland (the 3-4 German bases in there) for the GV guys...
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: storch on February 27, 2006, 03:57:16 PM
yes for the GV guys thanks snefens and panzzer. what about the ack staying down for axis but not for allieds?
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Panzzer on February 27, 2006, 04:04:40 PM
There's no separate setting for down times, so it should be the same (60 minutes) for both sides.
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: storch on February 27, 2006, 04:27:17 PM
check it out at least at the allied base on the south close to A10  the ack pops back up in around 30 seconds.  I know this because the allies porked the axis base and this bothered me since the are usually found within close proximity to their ack.  I went up and deacked the subject allied base and by the time I shot the last ack the first one was shooting at me again.  it might be a map bug.  perhaps other players will corroborate the occurance.
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: gear on February 27, 2006, 04:57:24 PM
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Originally posted by storch
check it out at least at the allied base on the south close to A10  the ack pops back up in around 30 seconds.  I know this because the allies porked the axis base and this bothered me since the are usually found within close proximity to their ack.  I went up and deacked the subject allied base and by the time I shot the last ack the first one was shooting at me again.  it might be a map bug.  perhaps other players will corroborate the occurance.


Yep... I was on this mornning in a 110g.I deacked the field  and on a pass over the tent city they all came back up in just under 5 min.:huh
Title: why no panzer for the axis forces?
Post by: Big G on February 28, 2006, 01:17:49 PM
I dissagree with Storch