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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: YUCCA on February 27, 2006, 04:33:20 PM
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Yaaay.
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lol, woops... guess we have to fly 5 minutes to duel eachother again.. that's soooo 2002.
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Haha, eat that teens.
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There is a god
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Yaaay.
lol, cool.
cept that means that we cant have fast duels anymore :(
i still think it would be better to have mods, but, that's HT's decision
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Originally posted by Pooface
lol, cool.
cept that means that we cant have fast duels anymore :(
i still think it would be better to have mods, but, that's HT's decision
I vote for the 15K base.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I vote for the 15K base.
ok, what does the 15k base win?? :D
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Originally posted by Pooface
lol, cool.
cept that means that we cant have fast duels anymore :(
i still think it would be better to have mods, but, that's HT's decision
Hopefully it's just a temporary solution... but it should be effective. teens = pwnt.
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yes, well. im sure we'll just see 262's everywhere now, cherry picking. there will still be the same vulching stuff, and now there wont be ANY chance of a check 6
this is more just covering up a problem, instead of attacking it. moderators are the only thing that will really stop it
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I still support locking out non-subscribers as the only way to deal with it. AH does need customers, but not leeches.
Now if only they'd turn off KS in the MA...
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I still support locking out non-subscribers as the only way to deal with it. AH does need customers, but not leeches.
Now if only they'd turn off KS in the MA...
hehehe, you BK's would never leave you own base lol:lol
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Now if only they'd turn off KS in the MA...
Now if that happened, the buffs on my own country wouldnt make it to their target base. Hell they wouldnt even make it off the ground as they always try to kill FH's. :t
HT would get to many emails saying so and so is vulching us buffers and we cant even get off the ground to be fun police. Wont happen as us fighter jocks would be to evil to them buffers. :t
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Originally posted by Pooface
hehehe, you BK's would never leave you own base lol:lol
damn right. i would get in manned ack, talk hub, stang and co. into doing a jet mission... :lol :t
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Originally posted by Furball
damn right. i would get in manned ack, talk hub, stang and co. into doing a jet mission... :lol :t
LOL!
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OMG THANK YOU!!!!!!! THE DA IS A HAPPY PLACE NOW!
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hehe, just took a brief look into the DA. one kid upped, fired away at an unsuspecting victim and hit himself via KS. the kids instant reaction:
"F****NG SHOOT ME AGIAN WITHOUT PERMISSION AND SEE WHUT HAPPEN" (original quote)
that alone was worth this months 14.95 :D
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I agree with Pooface. Kill shooter is no way to slove the problem. When the MA turns to crud my squadies and I sometimes like to go to the DA for a little intersquad king of the hill. Now that can't happen.
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
Now that can't happen.
Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad. When I flew with the Ghosts, we would divide the squad, half Rook, half Knit and meet in between bases for a brawl. I found that better as you can identify the enemy by icon color rather than trying to read names while maneuvering. We even split the squad 3 ways on occasion.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad. When I flew with the Ghosts, we would divide the squad, half Rook, half Knit and meet in between bases for a brawl. I found that better as you can identify the enemy by icon color rather than trying to read names while maneuvering. We even split the squad 3 ways on occasion.
My regards,
Widewing
yeah, it works well like that...
but there won't be any fast fights anymore, and certainly no chance of a check 6 from cherry picking teens. it will cut the problem down, but i still think a few mods would be better. but, HT has his reasons, and this is better than nothing i guess.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad.
No it can't. He said king of the hill. koth is everyone being able to shoot down anyone.
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Originally posted by wetrat
No it can't. He said king of the hill. koth is everyone being able to shoot down anyone.
You're right. However, you can continue splitting until down to two, but that's time consuming.
I never cared much for squad koth events because you know who is who at a glance. I preferred split squads as you didn't know who you were fighting by simply reading the icon.
Several Trainers volunteered to moderate the DA when time permitted. However, anything taking away from Training time was not a good thing.
As it is, rarely does a evening go by that some youngster misbehaves badly and is ejected from the TA. My concern has always been that they simply log into the DA and continue being buttheads there. I've been thinking that an ejection from the TA probably should also prevent their logging into any arena except the MA until their "time out" expires (usually an hour).
My regards,
Widewing
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I was thinking that the mod for the DA should have a special Huri IIc to own the dweebs with. It should never need fuel or ammo, can't take damage and fly as fast as an La-7. Then the dweeb should get this message.
SYSTEM: Vulch again and I'll own you a second time.
With a french accent of course.:D
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Originally posted by Pooface
hehehe, you BK's would never leave you own base lol:lol
Hub would never get wheels up.
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I was just in there. Was hilarious to watch all the kiddies blow themselves up and start yelling at anyone and everyone:rofl
I will say however it is a bit of pain for those who want to fight.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I was just in there. Was hilarious to watch all the kiddies blow themselves up and start yelling at anyone and everyone:rofl
I will say however it is a bit of pain for those who want to fight.
Someone changing countries and flying half a grid is is a pain?
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HiTech sure screwed the pooch big time on this one. Whether anyone realizes it or not, they have just punished EVERYONE to solve a problem they don't seem want to spend the effort on to solve properly. Even after all of the discussion and suggestions about this subject.
Let me count the ways turing on the kill shooter is bad.
1. I now have to spend 80-90% of my time in the DA either waiting for, or traveling to a fight. Thank you, but I don't especially want to fly to another base for a duel. I can do that in the MA all day long. Don't need a mini-MA.
2. In many cases, it isn't going to be a duel as I expect every dweeb near by is gonna "jump" on the red icon as soon as I appear. Again, I've got that in the MA, why do I need it here.
3. If I want a true one-on-on duel, I have to spend the time trying guess who's engaged or who isn't from a distance, then IM people to try to make an "appointment" for a duel. More time wasted for what I can do in the MA - i.e. "200: Hey, you and I at quiet base A120. Me the Niki. Be there or be square."
4. If I want to give or get ACM pointers, carry on a discussion I've changeg my Vox channel or try to get them on mine. Not too big a deal, unless I wanted to stay in comm with my squaddies or someone else. And pain and time waster..
5. Finally (for now) Squad practises will be much more difficult to set up as I have in the past. Opponents will have to be in another country, Vox confusion again. Harder to organize and manage. Another pain and time waster.
This solution has just changed the aggravation, and ruined the DA instead of fixing, or at least, improving the situation a little.
I go into the DA often to GET AWAY from the MA. I like being able to immediately up an aircraft and then start a duel with someone. No waiting, no hassle. With this that is all gone. Not gonna waste more time flying around open countryside. MA requires it. DA shouldn't.
What should HiTech do?
At a minimum...
1. Canvas the veteran community and come up with the standard rules of engagement we fly by in there, and then post them in the MOTD, JUST AS THEY DO IN THE TA TODAY! Really a tough one there.
2. Ask for additional veteran volunteers to be "DA observers" that may or may not have ejection priveleges.
3. Publicly provide the guidelines for punishment of offenders, i.e.
1st time, ejection from DA for 24 hours,
2nd time, suspension from AH for 48 hours.
3rd time, loss of account and black listing of credit card holder AND IPAddress.
4. Restrict two week trial members to the TA and MA until they start paying. Part of the training in the TA should include the instruction of the DA, its use and rules.
There are more supporting ideas out there, but these would be more than a step in the right direction. The idea is NOT to eliminate the possiblity of anyone vulching or engaging in bad behavior. As the current solution shows, you can only "guarantee" security by eliminating freedom -- from everyone!
The idea is to put in reponsible measures to encourage the correct behavior and for those few who are either initially ignorant or just socially terminal, provide a means of recognition and reporting the offenders, and when necessary punishment.
This will not 'solve' the problem such that we will never see another teenie-dweeb-vulcher-cherrypicker, but should help us to prevent many from even getting started, and bringing it to an acceptable level. We can then have the DA as most of us like to enjoy it.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Sure it can happen... Just divide the squad. When I flew with the Ghosts, we would divide the squad, half Rook, half Knit and meet in between bases for a brawl. I found that better as you can identify the enemy by icon color rather than trying to read names while maneuvering. We even split the squad 3 ways on occasion.
My regards,
Widewing
I always acomplished this by cycling thru the Icon mode to get Plane type.
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5 mins to Fly 12 miles in a fighter? What are we dueling Sbds?
shouldnt take more than 2.5 maybe 3 mins tops.
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Originally posted by Sloehand
HiTech sure screwed the pooch big time on this one. Lot of words, more words, more words, too many words. Still more words!
Jesus :eek: Lighten up, Francis. If you're as committed to all of this stuff as you say you are, you'll find a way to overcome this towering obstacle.
The DA makes HTC no money. Spending much time on it is a waste of resources.
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Seems like a bummer to me... My squad was in there for 2 hours last night dueling each other, we were all on one team so we could see who we were fighting.. We do that a lot for practice.
Not once did anyone even approach our sector to ruin our fun.
I dunno, it seems to me that anytime I go into DA and get away from Base #1 I never have any problems. I'm sorry this got switched again, its going to mess up some of our squad stuff.
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I will admit. Mafia used to have our own KOTH in thje DA from time to time for fun and practice... But that wont be possible anymore. :(
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Originally posted by Sloehand
What should HiTech do?
At a minimum...
1. Canvas the veteran community and come up with the standard rules of engagement we fly by in there, and then post them in the MOTD, JUST AS THEY DO IN THE TA TODAY! Really a tough one there.
2. Ask for additional veteran volunteers to be "DA observers" that may or may not have ejection priveleges.
3. Publicly provide the guidelines for punishment of offenders, i.e.
1st time, ejection from DA for 24 hours,
2nd time, suspension from AH for 48 hours.
3rd time, loss of account and black listing of credit card holder AND IPAddress.
4. Restrict two week trial members to the TA and MA until they start paying. Part of the training in the TA should include the instruction of the DA, its use and rules.
Couldn't agree more.
It's really a no brainer to fix DA. Why HTC can't do that is mistery.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Jesus :eek: Lighten up, Francis. If you're as committed to all of this stuff as you say you are, you'll find a way to overcome this towering obstacle.
The DA makes HTC no money. Spending much time on it is a waste of resources.
And this is something that the player community should handle on its own instead of crying for mommy and daddy.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And this is something that the player community should handle on its own instead of crying for mommy and daddy.
Ahh, and how can that be done? Are you saying that vulching the vulchers in DA is community work?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
If you're as committed to all of this stuff as you say you are, you'll find a way to overcome this towering obstacle.
I did Hubsonfire. Its that post, which I hope HiTech reads. Its giving my honest, CONSTRUCTIVE, opinion to try to improve the whole AH2 experience for everyone. I may be right, and I may be wrong, but I'm trying help everyone out -- me, the other people who hate the old AND new situation in the DA, and HiTech too. If I/we don't provide this feedback they will never know how I/we feel.
Hub, please feel free to respond with another stupid, juvenile, disparaging or frivilous comment (your choice of any one, or all four). Troll, troll, troll, your boat. :)
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The DA makes HTC no money. Spending much time on it is a waste of resources.
Exactly
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Originally posted by Sloehand
I did Hubsonfire. Its that post, which I hope HiTech reads. Its giving my honest, CONSTRUCTIVE, opinion to try to improve the whole AH2 experience for everyone. I may be right, and I may be wrong, but I'm trying help everyone out -- me, the other people who hate the old AND new situation in the DA, and HiTech too. If I/we don't provide this feedback they will never know how I/we feel.
Hub, please feel free to respond with another stupid, juvenile, disparaging or frivilous comment (your choice of any one, or all four). Troll, troll, troll, your boat. :)
Trying to discredit my response as a troll neither invalidates my reasonable suggestion, nor adds any validity to yours. I maintain the simplest fix is making it a subscriber arena. In fact, were you to read, you'd see I've already said that. Resetting the DA, as you've requested, to the prior setup which proved to be a PITA for many, wouldn't be helping everyone out, which you claim to be trying to do. It would be causing the same problems all over again. Nice troll.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The DA makes HTC no money. Spending much time on it is a waste of resources.
Wrong, but thanks for playing. I know more than a few guys who prefer the DA to any other arena. I myself spend about 1/2 my time in there. While it definatley isn't the big money maker, it keeps some of us still paying/playing when the MA gets boring.
And DMax, it's not 1/2 a grid. It's a whole grid. Granted, it's still not that much time but it's a heck of a lot longer than just upping with a friend, seperating 3k and fighting.
I don't know why they just can't install a mod or 2 with trainer privilages.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I don't know why they just can't install a mod or 2 with trainer privilages.
If theyll pay me 5$ per hour, ill do it 12/24 a day. Theyll just need a second "idiot" to do the same and cover the rest of time :p. :D
I dont like the KS solution either (i practice takeoff and climbout enough in the MA...), but i guess it solves the prob temporarily. In the long run i certainly hope therell be found a way to turn KS back off.
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First time in the DA, and this happens.
ok. so i got track ir the other day, and am fine tuning the check 6 view in offline mode this morning.. I figure the DA would be the place to go to get into a few quick good fights, and see if i need any more adjustments.
I'm on the runway in a 109f... i get vulched!
I wasn't sure what happened, upped again, get vulched again.
i ask on range, and on 200, what's going on, and get no answer.
I take off from another base, come into the first field at 10k, and ask if anyone wants to duel.... no answer, lol.
Drop down to about 4k, and get check 6'd, look behind me and some guy is chasing me.. i tell him on range, i will duel you, but lets get some seperation and do it right. he follows me and starts shooting, i get annoyed and reverse, and wind up 200 behind him.. i check 6 him about 10 times, which was funnier than just killing him, and he flies away.
finally someone asks me if i want to duel.. i say sure.. i get checked 6'd by a guy in a f4u, i turn around and the guy is about 2k away and closing on me.. well i check 6 him back just so i could fight, and i lose... no biggie.
same guy asks if i want to fight again.. i say ok.. basically the same thing happens, except this time some other guy is flying around behind me, along with the guy im fighting. we get into a few maneuvers, and im not sure who is who, lol, but i know that the guy i was fighting got shot down by the guy that was following me.
The guy that got shot down asks why. The guy that shot him down says, because you shot at me, this is the guy that was following me during the fight. The guy i was dueling gets pissed, and to his defense, he isnt at fault here.
Anyway, one of those two said they were calling HT.. i guess they did.
Two minutes later, hitech, or skuzzy, i cant remember which, on channel 200 says killshooter is now on.
So from what i read here, the DA was supposed to be a place where two guys could get into a duel, have some fun, and learn a little bit.. i downloaded those nomak fights when i first started, and didnt bother with the DA until today, because i figured i'd get my butt handed to me.
Anyway, this whole ordeal was about 15 min, and i guess i wont be going back there anytime soon, thanks to people that are either too young or too stupid to understand some very basic rules.
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Maybe there is a switch or it can be COADED so that KS is off for squad members only. :)
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I was in there last night (I never go in the DA) just to watch the KS in action. There was mass carnage.
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I know the kiddies will often go to the DA from the TA.
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KS is a BAD thing for the DA ... it needs Mods just like the TA ... its just that simple.
I agree with everything that Sloehand wrote.