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Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Estel on February 28, 2006, 11:27:19 AM: Google confirmed disabling video materials from Iraq for USA users after goverment request.....

So, so, so..... Were is your freedom of speach and other "democracy" toys?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Sandman on February 28, 2006, 11:50:38 AM: Welcome to last week.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Estel on February 28, 2006, 01:18:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
Welcome to last week.

I just waited for official message from Google. Now it's happen. Welcome to the Big Brothers Eye zone :rofl

Now you can enjoy your "oficially proven freedom".
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on February 28, 2006, 01:31:43 PM: Estel, what can we, Asian barbarians, understand about "freedom" and "democracy"?! :D

They keep telling us how opressed and poor we were in Soviet Union! They always know better! :D

I think that now we should help them to be free, and start a Yandex.ru project on indexing Iraq videos, hosting them in .Runet.

BTW, when I read some articles from American newspapers like Washington Post - I feel like I am back in 1982 reading Pravda. "Putin's gas imperialism", LOL! :D
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: FUNKED1 on February 28, 2006, 01:46:46 PM: I've not read anything about this censorship. Let me guess, you heard about it from Pravda? :rofl
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on February 28, 2006, 01:51:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
I've not read anything about this censorship. Let me guess, you heard about it from Pravda? :rofl

Mike, I hope you'll not say that censorship doesn't exist in the US.

Even in the fields where there is no visible "censorship" - the working system sometimes is worse then censorship in it's Soviet meaning.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on February 28, 2006, 02:08:04 PM: what are the commies going on about now?

You aren't saying that if you can find one example of censorship that the whole idea of Americans having more freedom than commies (or even former commies) is.... Moot?

lazs
Title: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Holden McGroin on February 28, 2006, 02:10:40 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Estel
Google confirmed disabling video materials from Iraq for USA users after goverment request.....

So, so, so..... Were is your freedom of speach and other "democracy" toys?

I'm just wondering how not being able to watch a certain video hinders my ability or right to speak.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: BlueJ1 on February 28, 2006, 02:26:11 PM: Yes, we are so far worse then any other censored nation. Instead of killing and torturing those who say something we dont like we tell them to shut up. Oh the horror!!! :eek:
Title: Re: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Estel on February 28, 2006, 02:28:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I'm just wondering how not being able to watch a certain video hinders my ability or right to speak.

Maybe I'm wrong, but as I remember, the "Freedom of Speach" and "Freedom of access to any information" was your basice?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Krusher on February 28, 2006, 02:32:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Estel
Maybe I'm wrong, but as I remember, the "Freedom of Speach" and "Freedom of access to any information" was your basice?

Just because google isn't covering dosn't mean you can't get it. There is more than one place to get information. The New York Times dosn't cover porno, but I have heard you can get it online :)
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: xrtoronto on February 28, 2006, 02:40:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusher
There is more than one place to get information.

Orgish.com is one of those places (the things that are sometimes hard to find are often here)
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: rabbidrabbit on February 28, 2006, 03:01:37 PM: just what has been blocked?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Sandman on February 28, 2006, 03:05:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Estel
I just waited for official message from Google. Now it's happen. Welcome to the Big Brothers Eye zone :rofl

Now you can enjoy your "oficially proven freedom".

Google is a business. They are free to censor whatever they like.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lasersailor184 on February 28, 2006, 03:09:45 PM: I was wondering who would be the first person to say it.

I didn't even consider Sandman.

But of course he is right.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Shamus on February 28, 2006, 04:08:47 PM: It's good that the government gently suggests to Google that certain things should not be shown to US citizens, the government needs to do more thinking for us.

shamus
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: weaselsan on February 28, 2006, 04:10:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boroda
Mike, I hope you'll not say that censorship doesn't exist in the US.

Even in the fields where there is no visible "censorship" - the working system sometimes is worse then censorship in it's Soviet meaning.

Boroda, we are censored to the point that the New York times prints classified information, and then demands that they turn over all secret and classified documents under the freedom of information act. Remember when we had the Global Explorer lifting one of your typhoon class subs? The New York times got hold of it and printed it on page one. Now thats censorship American style.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Sandman on February 28, 2006, 04:10:27 PM: I have my moments.

In the future, I think it best if you all decide to simply agree with everything I say.

Thank you.

Carry on.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Wolfala on February 28, 2006, 04:27:51 PM: Also important to keep in mind, when the Patriot Act went hot - the constitution was basically thrown out the window.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Skuzzy on February 28, 2006, 04:40:35 PM: We censor every day as part of the regimen of keeping the game fun to play. Every business can set its own policies. It is thier right to do so. It has nothing to do with the rights afforded to individuals via the goverment.

Might wish to get a good understanding of our system, before trying to attack it. Otherwise, you might look a tad silly.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Red Tail 444 on February 28, 2006, 05:19:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
We censor every day as part of the regimen of keeping the game fun to play. Every business can set its own policies. It is thier right to do so. It has nothing to do with the rights afforded to individuals via the goverment.

Might wish to get a good understanding of our system, before trying to attack it. Otherwise, you might look a tad silly.

The game filters out offensive material / profanity, and rightfully so. Denying access to information to fellow allies within the game is quite another issue.

If you were to keep people in the Bish country in one area, from sending country messages to people defending HQ, for example, would be a more accurate example of this form of censorship, I believe.

Gainzee

(and can I have my original handle back, please?)
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Dago on February 28, 2006, 05:51:51 PM: As was mentioned, this issue was already discussed. Google isnt blocking it, the poster of the video can decide what country can view the video, and the poster has blocked access to it in the USA, for whatever reason he decided.

So, go on with your paranoid or fingerpointing, but do so with the knowledge you are acting silly.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: SirLoin on February 28, 2006, 05:53:02 PM: and they fly the body bags out in the dead of nite notice.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Wolfala on February 28, 2006, 06:05:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dago
As was mentioned, this issue was already discussed. Google isnt blocking it, the poster of the video can decide what country can view the video, and the poster has blocked access to it in the USA, for whatever reason he decided.

So, go on with your paranoid or fingerpointing, but do so with the knowledge you are acting silly.

A poster can block access to domains from countries they specify? What is the logic in that?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Yeager on February 28, 2006, 06:20:23 PM: whatever happened to ********?

Doh!

PS: Boroda, do they feed you guys red meat in Russia?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: FUNKED1 on February 28, 2006, 06:30:32 PM: This would be more interesting if Estel's claim was supported by facts and/or references.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: john9001 on February 28, 2006, 06:35:53 PM: does this mean we can't see beheadings anymore?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Holden McGroin on February 28, 2006, 08:45:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Estel
Maybe I'm wrong, but as I remember, the "Freedom of Speach" and "Freedom of access to any information" was your basice?

If I have freedom of access to any information, please send me your banking information.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Dago on February 28, 2006, 09:25:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfala
A poster can block access to domains from countries they specify? What is the logic in that?

No clue, but it is possible and done on google video.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Yeager on February 28, 2006, 09:42:56 PM: there was a serious dose of PWNED went down here. History will record it so.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Pei on February 28, 2006, 10:07:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
This would be more interesting if Estel's claim was supported by facts and/or references.

These are not the driods you are looking for. You may go about your business.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: VOR on February 28, 2006, 10:42:46 PM: We've got one that can see!

(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/reddragon/John%20Carpenter/11%20They%20Live/tlst05.jpg)
Title: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Thrawn on February 28, 2006, 10:53:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Estel
Google confirmed disabling video materials from Iraq for USA users after goverment request.....

So, so, so..... Were is your freedom of speach and other "democracy" toys?

Where is your source?
Title: Re: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Dago on February 28, 2006, 11:17:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
Where is your source?

Good question, I would be interested in seeing it.

Here is what I found:

Quote
17 sec - Oct 25, 2004
"Detonation of Improvised Explosive Device used against Coalition forces. We found this one before they could use it against us."

Instead of a video playing, a message appears, stating:

"This video is not playable in your country."

In your country? My country is the United States of America! This is a standard Cox Communications cable connection located in Virginia, USA. Checks with several friends indicate that this "not available" message is showing up in the United States, but friends in Canada and South America are able to view the video. Military operations are certainly a point of controversy right now, but I would expect Google to present all available information within our democratic borders. Is Google censoring information in the United States?

Update: There are more of these censored videos.

Update 2: NO CENSORSHIP. Google has clarified its message. The “not available” message has changed to:

“We’re sorry, but the provider of this video, not Google, has chosen to disable playback in your location.”

Uploaders have the option of choosing which countries they want having access to their videos. These partuicular videos were blocked for viewing in the USA by the person who uploaded them. Thanks for setting the record straight, Google.

I understand licensing issues can complicate content distribution, but the vast majority of videos uploaded to video.google.com don’t need the option to block countries. Why would Google create a giant library of content which is only partly viewable? Furthermore, why show blocked content in search results? That just frustrates users.

Link to the real explanation (http://www.travolisblog.com/is-google-censoring-in-the-united-states-33.html)
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Vulcan on March 01, 2006, 02:37:15 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfala
A poster can block access to domains from countries they specify? What is the logic in that?

Plenty, learn more about int'l law and the net.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Wolfala on March 01, 2006, 03:42:19 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Vulcan
Plenty, learn more about int'l law and the net.

An answer is more useful then a wiseass remark.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 07:42:39 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusher
Just because google isn't covering dosn't mean you can't get it. There is more than one place to get information. The New York Times dosn't cover porno, but I have heard you can get it online :)

Makes me wonder. Why were your regimes (and still are) so worried about so-called "freedom of speech" and "freedom of information" in USSR and Russia, when we can find anything on the Internet or a short-wave radio?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 07:44:36 AM: Quote
Originally posted by BlueJ1
Yes, we are so far worse then any other censored nation. Instead of killing and torturing those who say something we dont like we tell them to shut up. Oh the horror!!! :eek:

Really, you mean you only tell them to shut up?

:rofl
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 07:47:20 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
Google is a business. They are free to censor whatever they like.

This is exactly what I meant when I said that cometimes "business" censorship is more dangerous then political/military.

There is no such thing as a "free press".
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on March 01, 2006, 07:58:38 AM: boroda... what you are missing in the whole capitalist deal is.... if google doesn't play it and enough Americans want to see it....

somebody else will and, make a buck on it.

Short wave radio and the internet? LOL... if your criminal regime hadn't collapsed you would have never seen the internet and if you had got caught with a short wave radio listening to say radio free America you woulda been in siberia and your family would have been wondering what happpened to you (silently wondering that is)

lazs
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 08:16:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
Short wave radio and the internet? LOL... if your criminal regime hadn't collapsed you would have never seen the internet and if you had got caught with a short wave radio listening to say radio free America you woulda been in siberia and your family would have been wondering what happpened to you (silently wondering that is)

LOL! Going to Siberia for listening to the radio - it's incredible.

Every time you guys start to explain us about how we lived in USSR - you are really funny.

About "making a buck" on information: how many sources do you have in the US that were translated from Soviet publications? The problem is not only in censorship, it's in artificially decreasing interest and demand for alternative information sources, and IMHO it's more important. I hope you understand what I mean. We have a similar problem emerging in modern Russia, but it will take a long time until our generation will be worn out so we'll be unable to keep interest on a nessessaty level. I mean - it's in our hands now, we can do something to keep people interested in something else then sexual life of Britney Spears.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on March 01, 2006, 08:25:20 AM: so boroda... you were free to listen to anything you wanted or read anything you wanted in soviet russia?

As for not having things here translated from russian to english and available.... Huh? there is no demand... not censored... not unavailable... just no demand.

I bet I can get any info translated that I want. If any of it was remotely interesting or worthwhile.... someone would be doing it.

lazs
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: TexMurphy on March 01, 2006, 08:38:34 AM: Skuzzy,

There is a big difference in Google censoring and the goverment telling google to censoring.

Same as there is a huge difference between a news broadcaster choosing what news to cover (and what not to cover) and the government telling a news boarcaster what news to cover (and not cover).

Free media shouldnt be influeced by the government because then it aint free media anymroe. Google is a media.

Tex
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 08:47:13 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TexMurphy
Free media shouldnt be influeced by the government because then it aint free media anymroe. Google is a media.

What's the difference between government and some financial/political/corporate structure that controls the above-mentioned media?

In some cases I'd prefer government control. More to say, I'd like to see more government control over media in Russia now. But only in case whe it is a government with certain "political will", not what we have now, when govt can't get rid of some parasitic Siamese twins.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on March 01, 2006, 08:50:05 AM: Why would you trust the government to control what you seen or read or could say?

lazs
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 08:57:32 AM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
so boroda... you were free to listen to anything you wanted or read anything you wanted in soviet russia?

As for not having things here translated from russian to english and available.... Huh? there is no demand... not censored... not unavailable... just no demand.

I bet I can get any info translated that I want. If any of it was remotely interesting or worthwhile.... someone would be doing it.

lazs

I was free to listen anything I wanted, more to say: Soviet laws didn't prohibit any spreading of recorded audio-materials. It's funny but true. And I did listen to Western propaganda radio back in the 80s, as almost everyone did, and noone ever cared. Short-wave radios were sold openly, even in any village hardware store.

I could get in trouble for posessing some literature, but noone cared, we had some "anti-soviet" books in my family. You could access almost anything you wanted. OTOH copying and spreading illegal literature was a crime, but the same thing happened in the US less then 50 years ago, so, please - stop teaching us ;)

I repeat: Western govt thought control is effective in reducing the demand for alternative information. And you again prove it. And please, look, what happens when the demand exists, and information is unwanted by govt: what could happen to you in 1955 if you boasted that you posess Communist literature?

All this screaming about "free press", "freedom of speech" etc is for idiots like our home-brewn "liberals".
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 09:04:02 AM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
Why would you trust the government to control what you seen or read or could say?

lazs

Why would trust anyone? Do you seriously think that media controlled by business groups will bring you divine truth?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on March 01, 2006, 09:04:55 AM: Ok... so you admit that you could "get in trouble" for possesing information that we can get freely here but that your ineffective government enforced the rules unevenly...

You had freedom so long as you seized it and..... didn't get caught...

you admit that we can get anything we want here but that because we have no interest.... we are not free?

You also talk of the 80's... the period when the soviets were the weakest... what of the 70's? the 60's? the 50's?

you admit that any info you have has been censored by your government allready so... IMO... it is worthless... your experiance counts of course but.... you were a criminal so... not typical. Unless you are saying that all soviets broke the law and that by breaking the law.... your system worked?

very confusing..

And... if we knew knothing of your country.... it isn't because our government hid it from us.... it is because your country was ashamed of itself and built walls around it's country to keep people out.

lazs
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Vad on March 01, 2006, 09:48:41 AM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
Ok... so you admit that you could "get in trouble" for possesing information that we can get freely here but that your ineffective government enforced the rules unevenly...

You had freedom so long as you seized it and..... didn't get caught...

you admit that we can get anything we want here but that because we have no interest.... we are not free?

You also talk of the 80's... the period when the soviets were the weakest... what of the 70's? the 60's? the 50's?

you admit that any info you have has been censored by your government allready so... IMO... it is worthless... your experiance counts of course but.... you were a criminal so... not typical. Unless you are saying that all soviets broke the law and that by breaking the law.... your system worked?

very confusing..

And... if we knew knothing of your country.... it isn't because our government hid it from us.... it is because your country was ashamed of itself and built walls around it's country to keep people out.

lazs

There were no laws which prohibited to listen BBC or radio Freedom. Actually, if you think a little you will see paradox: if Soviet goverment prohibited to listen broadcasting of Western stations why the USSR produced almost all sets with short wave band? It was very easy just made FM and AM radio like on the West.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 01, 2006, 11:08:51 AM: So this turned out to be the same spurious story Wolf posted and apologized for already?

Did it actually come from Pravda? :D
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Wolfala on March 01, 2006, 11:14:45 AM: Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
So this turned out to be the same spurious story Wolf posted and apologized for already?

Did it actually come from Pravda? :D

What did I post?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2006, 11:18:57 AM: Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
Did it actually come from Pravda? :D

Last time I read Pravda was probably in 1990. I doubt they wrote about censorship in American internet.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Yeager on March 01, 2006, 01:21:39 PM: And... if we knew knothing of your country.... it isn't because our government hid it from us.... it is because your country was ashamed of itself and built walls around it's country to keep people out.
====
interesting thought, since 1989, for every russian person who immigrates fout of Russia, how many people from western countries immigrate into russia?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Vulcan on March 01, 2006, 02:13:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfala
An answer is more useful then a wiseass remark.

Because you probably already know the answer put can't put your lazy *** brain into gear.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 01, 2006, 05:47:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfala
What did I post?

My bad, brain fart. I meant Eagl. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171509)
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: MrBill on March 01, 2006, 10:04:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfala
Also important to keep in mind, when the Patriot Act went hot - the constitution was basically thrown out the window.

Bull S!!t, the constitution was thrown out in the 1830's and has been going downhill ever since.

Has anyone here ever read the first amendment? Does anyone understand what it says?

All non Americans can be forgiven their ignorance ... but the first amendment guarentees nothing, it simply prohibits CONGRESS from PASSING LAWS abridging certain freedoms.
This does not prohibit courts or state governments from using their powers to limit any of these, just the federal congress.

I am fully aware that the liberal advocates have eroded the meaning of the constitution, for over 170 years, to the point that most Americans have no clue as to what it really says any more ... but as long as the common interpretation fits their personal agenda, the majority of the American people just do not give a flying fig. They spout the common line and lie asleep peaceful in their ignorance ...
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 01, 2006, 11:55:37 PM: in 1925 the Supreme Court ruled in Gitlow v. New York that the due process clause of the 14th Amendment incorporated the First Amendment, extending free speech protections to the states.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on March 02, 2006, 08:37:33 AM: I allways thought the 14th protected the first and that the second protected all the others.

As for short wave radios... we all could have short wave radios too... is short wave radio the only measure of freedom used in old soviet russia? what country did not have short wave radio or... made it illegal?

lazs
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: USHilDvl on March 02, 2006, 09:21:22 AM: Seems to me that the very basis of this entire thread...and the ridiculous insinuations in that first post...is so wildly shallow, uninformed and without recognizable merit as to make me wonder why it's even worth 52 posts in response.

I agree with Skuzzy...At least, if you're going to get on this board and call all of us idiots (in so many words), you could have the decency to get a clue. Really...you're showing your ignorance of the subject.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Mister ED on March 02, 2006, 10:10:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
what are the commies going on about now?

They all moved to the West coast of the USA and are trying to take over.
When people think John Kerry is good, and the media runs its own agenda.

Its only a matter of time.

As far as movies of beheadings and road side bombs. If you want to see them. Get out of your computer chair and go join the US Army or Marines. Get a front row seat.

BTW The Soviet Union no long exsists. My Grandmother out lived it. and got to contact her childhood friends after many years. You all sould view the Russian people like those of WWII. The govenment may be lacking (like ours isnt) but the people are still the good folks we once called allies.

My all time WWII hero was Nadya Popova. A true flying wonder. Do a seach on her and her unit. Try and compare what they did, to any US female pilots.

Our new enemy has no honor, nor courage. Like my tee shirt sez :

"After Victor Charle, the terriorist are nuttin but Chicken shi tes"
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 02, 2006, 11:03:19 AM: So there's still no substance on this one, just random allegations by communism victims?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Thrawn on March 02, 2006, 11:50:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
So there's still no substance on this one, just random allegations by communism victims?

Amazing eh, and yet the thread keeps going.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: USHilDvl on March 02, 2006, 11:52:57 AM: No, no...I never said that. Actually, the discussion seems to have evolved into something with a lot more depth, thought and information...regardless of one's position. Not to mention several very cogent points to consider. Please excuse me if I gave a different impression.

In fact, your original post, Funked, made what I think is essentially the same point; empty troll, no facts, no references and a raft of convenient assumptions. In fact, it appears that the instigator just dropped this well-baited line into the water, and hasn't been back since.

No...I intended to comment only on the original basis for the thread as being no more than an ignorant troll, not to suggest anything otherwise about other posters (even though I strenuously disagree with a particular line of thought being expressed).

I notice a real desire on the part of a distinct group of people in here to hunt for every opportunity for America-bashing they can find and, like anyone else, I get tired of it after a while. However, this being the country that it is (warts and all), they are most assuredly entitled to express their views...which more than can be said for many, many places on earth.

In the final analysis, what could be more appropriate in America than healthy Constitutional debate? We should have more of it, along with far more education on the matter. I simply won't subscribe to using such a lowbrow approach for initiating what could be a healthy and reasoned discussion.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Hangtime on March 03, 2006, 01:46:58 AM: can we get back to pokin the bears in the cage with sticks?

I like teaching bears with sticks.

it's a western thing.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lada on March 03, 2006, 03:58:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
Google is a business. They are free to censor whatever they like.

Basicaly you agree with idea, that goverment will pay your tax money to some private company who will provide you false or not complete informations, because goverment know what you should and what you should not see ?

wow... Za Stalina !
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 03, 2006, 04:04:50 AM: Did the government request Google or did it pay Google? These are different issues.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lada on March 03, 2006, 04:22:29 AM: Thats good question.

I didnt "google" any informations about money, but i do not see any single reason, why should Chinese gov. pay and not the US gov.

intersting article
http://sethf.com/anticensorware/general/google-censorship.php
http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on March 03, 2006, 10:01:29 AM: I'm just here for the commie baiting. They are sooo sensitive about their failure. The excuses are priceless.

lazs
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: john9001 on March 03, 2006, 12:28:51 PM: the USSR was never a friend of USA, they just used the USA to open a 2nd front to help USSR to defeat germany. as soon as germany surrendered russia went hostile toward america.

you do remember Korean war, Berlin blockade,cold war,etc?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Yeager on March 03, 2006, 01:49:46 PM: Ive met so many russians and other eastern euros these past 10 years or so. All seem to be really decent and intelligent people. Before about 1994 I had never met a genuine russian. And mind you, I havent traveled out of my state in about 10 years. I believe we have a large russian immigrant community here in the PNW. I dont think there are many communities in Russia of american immigrants. Are there?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Hangtime on March 03, 2006, 01:53:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
I'm just here for the commie baiting. They are sooo sensitive about their failure. The excuses are priceless.

lazs

:aok

Yeager made an excellent observation.... how may american immigrants are there in Russia?

Even Lee Harvey Oswald left the dump.

ROFL!
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Boroda on March 03, 2006, 02:11:06 PM: Hm. One of my former classmates spent 10 yeas in Texas, got married, had a first child, and in 2000 decided to move back to Moscow with family, so his second kid was born here. I met many Americans who came to Msk for academic exchange or work and after their contracts were over tried to seek for an opportunity to stay here.

As for Moscow English-speaking community - check http://www.exile.ru, it's a marginal news leaflet, but they have a big audience.

Moscow is an interesting city, sometimes - too intersting, a big village and a biggest city in Europe, a whole country itself, two times bigger then Portugal (for example), and many foreigners love it.

Anyway, here in Msk we have a huge problem with migrants. Sometimes I think that in 10 years I'll have to study Azerbaijanian language.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: lazs2 on March 03, 2006, 02:19:37 PM: boroda.... nothing like here... in the sacramento area you can't swing an empty vodka bottle without braining 4 or 5 russians.

lazs
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Hangtime on March 03, 2006, 02:30:33 PM: Brooklyn and Brighton Beach and the Rockaways have become russian enclaves.

Listening to a Russian immigrant cab driver gripe about the Yankess with a brooklyn accent is the eptiome of high comedy around here.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Wolfala on March 04, 2006, 05:50:11 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Hangtime
Brooklyn and Brighton Beach and the Rockaways have become russian enclaves.

Listening to a Russian immigrant cab driver gripe about the Yankess with a brooklyn accent is the eptiome of high comedy around here.

Try working at the UN and talking with the Elevator drivers.
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Hangtime on March 04, 2006, 07:02:55 PM: I'll never EVER get on a UN elevator again.

I can't wear nose plugs.

stinky bastids, ain't they?
Title: Another new way of American Democracy
Post by: Stang on March 04, 2006, 07:05:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
boroda.... nothing like here... in the sacramento area you can't swing an empty vodka bottle without braining 4 or 5 russians.

lazs
:lol