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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sloehand on March 01, 2006, 09:30:02 PM
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Thanks a lot HiTech. You've managed to destroy the DA. Instead of the occasional teeny dweeb vulcher, its now nothing but a mini-MA where you can expect to be engage 2,3 even 4 on 1 at least half the time, AND of course, when the 'enemy' comes to your base, they vulch and cherry pick every bit as good, even better than the weenies this "solution" was supposed to fix.
So its a hat trick for HiTech: punish everyone, kill all chance of fair 1v1 duels, and increase the mass vulching.
Now there is real thinking at worl.
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And you want what kind of response with that tone?
Go to the store and buy yourself some nice sharp chedder. Be sure to breathe and relax a little on that walk/ drive to the store. It'll clear your head a little maybe.
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LOL.
they tried to fix it, the cockroaches continued to thrive, time to find a new exterminator.
need DA only Mods i think.
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Saw the ghost man there the other day. He was keeping things in hand even though he didn't have administrator power. Seems like all you'd have to do is extend the power to DA for those who already have it in Training Arena.
Kids, and it seems like that's what is there for the most part, need direction. Give it to them and they may still squeak, but they thrive.
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Then, lock the doors and burn the MF flat! :)
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I enjoyed duelin YUCCA with KS on... was nice not having to worry about teens comin in and screwing up our fights. First to lose wins... was kinda funny ;) But we usually duel in 109's, so 1 ping ends the fight anyway...
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Originally posted by wetrat
I enjoyed duelin YUCCA with KS on... was nice not having to worry about teens comin in and screwing up our fights. First to lose wins... was kinda funny ;) But we usually duel in 109's, so 1 ping ends the fight anyway...
LoL, i hadnt considered *that* solution to the KS prob! Very creative... :D.
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Howabout making an "individual kill shooter" function?
It could be like the join function.. one can propose a "kill shooter off" to another player. If the other one accepts, the kill shooter is off between these two players. Otherwise it would be on!
That would pretty effectively end all unwanted duels with planes enabled only in one country.
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great idea!
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Originally posted by BlauK
Howabout making an "individual kill shooter" function?
It could be like the join function.. one can propose a "kill shooter off" to another player. If the other one accepts, the kill shooter is off between these two players. Otherwise it would be on!
That would pretty effectively end all unwanted duels with planes enabled only in one country.
If HTC won't coad a small update to fix flaps on a certain plane, I don't see them coading anything for the DA anytime soon.
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Originally posted by wetrat
I enjoyed duelin YUCCA with KS on... was nice not having to worry about teens comin in and screwing up our fights. First to lose wins... was kinda funny ;) But we usually duel in 109's, so 1 ping ends the fight anyway...
Before I realized KS was on, I thought you were kicking his tail! lolz :D
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Originally posted by ColdKill
Before I realized KS was on, I thought you were kicking his tail! lolz :D
:lol
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like i said in my thread, the only thing that'll fix this is DA mods. trusted pilots of course, probably mainly the AH trainer corps
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Hello Hitechcreations and fellow pilots!
Allow me to add my name to the list of those who are concerned about the duelling arena.
The current configuration is just not acceptable.
I invite all serious duelling pilots to comment on this post and add some weight to the concern that the duelling arena has essentially been gutted.
The problem is not the serious duellers, who are old and established pilots in AH. We all know what the problem is; the solution, however, is far worse than the original problem. At issue is the fact that the serious duellers are the pilots who are most affected by the current DA status.
Please return the DA to its previous state, even with all the gripes, moaning and groaning, -- it was better than it is now.
Regards to all,
Wittmann
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Just add a mod. There are people willing to do it for free.
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Just add a mod. There are people willing to do it for free.
Yea we all know how the buddy system works around here.
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agreed, the DA as it is now is stupid. as it is now with KS on, noone is going in there anymore. this 'fix' has left us with an arena far worse than the one we had before...
DA mods are the only solution
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I would be more than willing to help out as a non payed moderator.
Wittmann
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Originally posted by Wittmann
I would be more than willing to help out as a non payed moderator.
Wittmann
yup same goes for me. all we would need is the power to kick troublesome peeps, no arena setting powers and things like that
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It's fine the way it is. I was in there the other night with YUCCA... first to lose (KS themself) wins. Or, you can just duel the way it was done years ago... fly from 2 dif bases and fight in the middle.
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Return it to the way it was.
OOops....Sorry. I was referring to the DA and misclicked.
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NO !!! it is not fine .... and this is not back then.... please restore the DA to the state that we have all come to love... or sell those who want to fly the right to host our own server... that means giving us the ability to host more than just eight people in H2H. TAKE A VOTE FROM YOUR CUSTOMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I pay my 14.95 a month for the DA and right now i am getting in the rear... ouch:O :furious
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well I thought, what if we just ask nicely.... here it goes.
HiTech pretty please remove Killshooter from the DA, so those that want can train and Duel without having to fly for ten minutes to engage.
BUMP....!!! hooo ya
TAKE A VOTE FROM THE PEOPLE THAT FLY THE DA THE MOST....WE ARE CUSTOMERS TOO..!!!!!!!:aok
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If asking nice doesn't work then maybe try clicking the link in hitech's sig.
;)
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I signed up at aces high in part because I was board with other games & one of the biggest draws for me was the dualing arena because you could go to an area where you could dual 1 on 1 to become better at dog fighting. Sure, there was the training area but who could really learn to fight in there? I met quite a few guys who not only shot me down but showed me how they did it and how I could defend myself.
I have joined a squad called THE BAD COMPANY CLAN who uses the DA as our base and we hold spacific types of training there which allows us to learn certain tactical moves. Our squad is BASED in the DA! The squad functions can not be held any other place and because of a few "two weekers" & people with bad social skills, we all suffer! Our squad has already tried using the H2H area and other areas in the game but because of our size or types of practice we can no longer hold our training sessions in the mannor in which our squad was based.
We have suggested ways to solve the issues in the DA like posting a "MOTD" stating rules and even donating our time to act as trainers to help the DA's problems but nothing has been looked at. Destroying the DA is not the solution, it affects too many people and the way the game is played, it is stopping the advancement of pilots who have little or no transition from the TA to the MA, in effect will stop people from becoming members. Now it has become just a little MA where people do nothing but change countries and then go to another base to shoot people down without notice, vulch and bomb the runways and gang up on newbies.
How does this solve anything? People do pay to be here and the way that people become active members and good players is now in jepardy. I myself have started a squad website, invested the money in the domain, included Aces High as a major link, told all my friends about how great the fun has been and now feel like the game is now not as fun and beginning to spend less time here. I know I am not the only one who feels this way so I ask again... How does this solve anything?
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Spellcheck word # 12 (amongst others!) :D
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back off Lepaul ... this is a Forum not a Spelling Bee...
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Yea we all know how the buddy system works around here.
TedStryker/AutoPilot, you know for someone who wanted so much to do something for the community, you keep burrying your self deeper each time you throw this lil imperical data of yours out for all to see.....
maybe all the DA flyers can email hitechcreations via their support email?
ask for support that way, get enough emails maybe they have a change of heart :D
some of the Trainers, ( hope I am not getting this wrong ), have no problem that I know of overseeing the DA from time to time......it just will take away from the already limited time we have in the TA now....... seriously though, I would rather not babysit the DA, it is not a place to TRAIN. maybe get some tips from "others" that need the gratification of the KILL! but not a place to seriously train......egomania haven mainly.......(<--- not directed at the people who are TRUE DUELLERS and LOVE 1 vs 1 co-E fights )
but hey, according to TedStryker/AutoPilot, he done figured it all out..........with his imperical data of the sitiation;)
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it is a good place to train.... no fear like the fear of the TOWER. It's real, the training arena is not. I know I don't try as hard in the TA as I do trying to keep myself out of the Tower.
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Originally posted by e=mc2
it is a good place to train.... no fear like the fear of the TOWER. It's real, the training arena is not. I know I don't try as hard in the TA as I do trying to keep myself out of the Tower.
hello shades account, I know who you are already..........welcome back ~S~
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Dear Teens,
Please stop making threads about the DA. The horse has been beaten; it's a mere bag of mush. Try emailing skuzzy if you intend to persist in the abuse of said bag of mush.
Thank you,
wetrat
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As a non-teen disinterested party I'd like to point out the irony of you posting about the DA while asking others not to do the same.
Practice what you preach.
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the DA has ALWAYS sucked. so, what's the difference?
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Not misspelled... Just misused... It should be its homonym, BORED. But, on the issue of the DA, there are several other threads that deal with this issue, and make no mistake about it, it IS an issue.
However, in the grand scheme of things, the issue is best resolved through email to HTC, and I'm sure they'll listen. They have no desire for paying customers (especially squads based out of the DA) to become disenchanted and leave the game. The BBS is not a place to play politics, nor it it a place to incite members of the community...
I promise, I mean you no disrespect through this, but it is time for the AH community to realize that the problem of kiddies in the DA and killshooter being turned on have been thoroughly documented, and now, we must bring solutions to the table... Whether it is DA moderators, etc. we need to come together to figure this out.
to you and your squad. Hope it all works out.
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Originally posted by e=mc2
back off Lepaul ... this is a Forum not a Spelling Bee...
no, but you look retarded when you write long, rambling messages and you don't know how to spell.
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it is the issue that is important. not MR D's spelling.
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I acknowledge the irony, however the post was about the teens making threads about the DA, not the DA itself.
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Right... Yet another DA Thread...
Kinda like this one.
Very effective.
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well if you senior citizens want the teens to stop posting the about the DA. the tell your buds at HiTech to fix the problem you won't hear from us again.
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Well, I hope you guys get what you want. :)
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Teens don't have the patience to fly 2 minutes to get to a fight in the MA so they sqeak around in the DA vulching each other then *****ing when they get vulched back. I have no sympathy for them. No one used to do the FFA's back in the day... it was go to two separate fields, choose the ride, go at it and the sportsmanship was generally good among players. HTC did a good thing. The only down side is it makes KOTH type things impossible now, but I can live with that.
Wtg HTC.
Whine away teenie boppers... isn't pokemon on or something?
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well thank you very much...
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Originally posted by e=mc2
pretty please remove Killshooter from the DA, so those that want can train and Duel without having to fly for ten minutes to engage.
but don't ya have to waste time waiting on your Trainer or student to RE-UP when either of you shoot the other one down?
so you would have to wait for them to get back up to your alt, wait for them to get back to either Co-e or near it, and wait to set back up for merging or what ever type of training you doing, wait! you training to give out smack talk after you get the EXPLOSION..... I get it now...... self gratification of shooting ( oops ) training someone ............
DA is for dueling, yes people can learn in there, no disagreeing with it, but being able to work with someone continously without having to REUP over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over, oops needle on the phonograph got stuck.....man that is too much wasted time that could be spent on actual showing someone something.....
and if you want to help, well pop into the Training arena, always a handful of newcomers looking for direction, er wait you won't get to PWN them in the TA, nevermind.......can't land multiple kills there:D
no offense to the ones who truely love to do the dueling 1vs1 thing......this is not directed at you....
TC
The Damned
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please restore the DA to the state that we have all come to love...
If that was true then why were people complaining about it regularly, often posting about trying to have a duel and getting vulched or cherried.
How does flying half a sector stop people from having a good duel ?
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believe me I am not taking anything away from the TA and the hard work the trainers do. However I have spent a good amout of time in both places and have learned the most from the non training aces when they were not even trying to teach anything. Those Aces that are in the DA for duels with other of the same calibur in between those explosions. The Dueling Arena is essentially the most intense 5 min of a H2H over and over again. It is specialize area were I have done most of my taining.
the sudden shock of being in the Tower helps to cement the memory of what you did wrong... IE: touching HOT stove.
the human brain is hard wired to be practical in what it remembers.
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so those that want can train and Duel without having to fly for ten minutes to engage.
Wow 10 minutes to fly half a sector? what are you dueling ultralight powered parachutes?:confused:
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Quite frankly the DA is as totally different from the MA as the MA is from a scenario. It has little to do with flying. Its repetition of a certain move, usually with the same aircraft involved, co-alt,co-e states, and usually no worry of headon.
Followed by the winner either being cordial to the loser, or thumping his chest, and the loser either being graceful in defeat, or stating every reason why he lost...except being outflown.
Ok that last part was alot like the MA.
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38 you will say anything to tear it down... what does that have to do with the DA. NOTHING!!!!! and it depends on were u fly from and what map HiTech loads.
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I have joined a squad called THE BAD COMPANY CLAN who uses the DA as our base and we hold spacific types of training there which allows us to learn certain tactical moves
What type of tactical moves and specific types of training cant be acommplished with KS on? I though clan's were more of a qua..... errrr FPS type organization ?
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Originally posted by 38ruk
How does flying half a sector stop people from having a good duel ?
And how KS prevents vulching and cherry picking?
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Originally posted by 38ruk
I though clan's were more of a qua..... errrr FPS type organization ?
You were about to misspell "queer," weren't you? ;)
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you keep burrying your self deeper each time you throw this lil imperical data of yours out for all to see.....
now why would you take it that way?That reply could mean lots of things.
But yet you took it that way hmmm guilty feelings maybe?hmmmm
Or, you can just duel the way it was done years ago... fly from 2 dif bases and fight in the middle.
Well YEAH!!!!!!!!!! :aok
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Originally posted by e=mc2
38 you will say anything to tear it down... what does that have to do with the DA. NOTHING!!!!! and it depends on were u fly from and what map HiTech loads.
I'm not trying to tear down anything , KS on or off shouldnt effect people who are trying to truely have a duel. I think you guys are crying because your First Person Shooter arena is gone . If HTC wanted a free for all arena ,he would have designed one .
EDIT : Oh and as to your question " what does that have to do with the DA. NOTHING!!!!!"
Then why use it as your reason to have KS turned back on?
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lolz
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Originally posted by e=mc2
it is a good place to train.... It's real, the training arena is not. I know I don't try as hard in the TA as I do trying to keep myself out of the Tower.
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The training arena is for training.
The dueling arena is for dueling.
But, NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS REAL!!:rofl
BTW, why is it the fault of the TA that you refuse to put the same effort into it, as you do in the DA?
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The DA is a lot like these boards.Someone will post a concern or comment then a couple of "hotshots" who are vets,who should be a well of information and help to people who have some issues,will come into the scene to show their ability. What you should do instead of trying to boost your ego,is to offer solutions to a growing problem that is actually affecting all arenas.As far as any comment you wanna make concerning the name of my squad,thats your opinion and as most of the squad is comprised of newer players,I ,myself am not and have several times smacked each of you down under my other cpid.Your achieving nothing here except to further prove to HTC that you are part of the problem instead of the solution.
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Originally posted by Enduro
You were about to misspell "queer," weren't you? ;)
:lol
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
BTW, why is it the fault of the TA that you refuse to put the same effort into it, as you do in the DA?
He's a teen... that's how the teen mind works. Never his fault... always something else.
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If you wanna compare brain pans then,I'll send you my latest CAT scan,along with about 14 years of schooling and numerous degrees in several areas.What you should do instead of trying to boost your ego,is to offer solutions to a growing problem that is actually affecting all arenas.As far as any comment you wanna make concerning the name of my squad,thats your opinion and as most of the squad is comprised of newer players,I ,myself am not an have several times smacked each of you down under my other cpid.Your achieving nothing here except to further prove to HTC that you are part of the problem instead of the solution
What the hell does that have to do with anything ? Who's trying to inflate their ego? Looks like you are .
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TC, e-mc2 isnt a shades account I can assure you of that.He's a member of my squad.As a trainer any of your other negative comments you can pm them to me ,if you want.
NB, we train in the DA,as we always have.I started flying in there against AIRVENT.We fought every night for 2-3 months.This kind of dedication from a single player is not available in the TA.
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Originally posted by wetrat
He's a teen... that's how the teen mind works. Never his fault... always something else.
Give teens a break. Majority are OK. Besides you tweens aren't much better.
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That is no more a poor example of my ego as opposed to the attempts to correct people for not useing proper wording for the forums.
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is for dueling. The TA is for training. The MA is for everything else. The H2H system is for freeloaders who want to have FFA (and are allowed this indulgence by HTC).
Asking HTC to change one so as to become another has in the past, and hopefully will remain, a fool's errand. The only logical solution is locking the freeloaders out of the DA. Since they're the ones posting, obviously this isn't a popular solution, and maybe it's time for everyone to find something serious to get concerned about, like collisions and the LW flight models.
Thank you, in advance, for your contributions to tired, pointless, laughable DA thread #37.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
And how KS prevents vulching and cherry picking?
Nothing will prevent it , but atleast you wont have to worry about the person uppin behind you .
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Hub,everyone who is responding to the post concerning the DA isnt a freeloader.
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Originally posted by 38ruk
I'm not trying to tear down anything , KS on or off shouldnt effect people who are trying to truely have a duel. I think you guys are crying because your First Person Shooter arena is gone . If HTC wanted a free for all arena ,he would have designed one .
MIC CHECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Theres is a free for all arena ,it's called the MAIN ARENA.Also in case you didnt realize it ,ACES HIGH II is nothing more than a FPS game with wings.:D
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Originally posted by 38ruk
What the hell does that have to do with anything ? Who's trying to inflate their ego? Looks like you are .
We're all mental midgets basking in CRETON's genius. He's got the latest CAT scans to prove it!
ack-ack
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POOF!!!!!!!!!!
And the mighty AKAK doth appear,amid the clutter of asteroids hitting the ground from the orbit he fell from.:D
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Quit crying, its just a game.
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You know how to really make them cry?
Take away their H2H rooms (or only make it available to paying subscribers.) They will really start crying.
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As you can see from the majority of replies to your initial post: It's not the game, it's the people. Some of the veteran players who've come on here with their cute little remarks are probably those "two weekers" who are screwing up the DA.
I fixed my AH problem: I found another game.
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Theres is a free for all arena ,it's called the MAIN ARENA
MIC CHECK
Three different countries makes an attemp at structure. If AH2 was a FPS with wings , kill shooter wouldn't be an issue .:D
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Originally posted by VIC
POOF!!!!!!!!!!
And the mighty AKAK doth appear,amid the clutter of asteroids hitting the ground from the orbit he fell from.:D
Hitting the ground? Naw...I did a pretty good job of hitting you the other night though but then that really isn't a very hard thing to do =)
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Arcades057
As you can see from the majority of replies to your initial post: It's not the game, it's the people. Some of the veteran players who've come on here with their cute little remarks are probably those "two weekers" who are screwing up the DA.
I fixed my AH problem: I found another game.
Attack of the shades on the DA . LOL
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Hitting the ground? Naw...I did a pretty good job of hitting you the other night though but then that really isn't a very hard thing to do =)
ack-ack
True but then again I had just got up from the CV that was at your base.
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I would enjoy dueling you in the DA but I remember you dont go in there.
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I'll concede that, but very few of the guys posting have had any involvement in the community outside of using the DA as a mini MA. A blanket statement like that is a hyperbole, and I suppose I could have phrased it differently.
The 2 main factors at work here, and causing friction, are freeloaders, and people trying to make the arena into something it hasn't been in the past (probably due to the almost total lack of structure or moderation), and I stand by my opinions regarding arenas' usage.
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Its not an issue with me ,I take issue with people who are vets who continually come to the BBS and smack people for not posting the way they think that they should.The main has no real structure or engagement rules or any other rule other than win the war,win the engagement,thats why when your in a 1v1/2v1/3v1 there's always gonna be another one show up from either side or both sides.
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Originally posted by VIC
NB, we train in the DA,as we always have.I started flying in there against AIRVENT.We fought every night for 2-3 months.This kind of dedication from a single player is not available in the TA.
Creton...
That is fine with me. I have no problem with anyone training any where they chose. HOWEVER, there is a moderated and staffed arena soully dedicated to training. Two of them really shouldn't be needed.
Originally posted by Wetrat
He's a teen... that's how the teen mind works. Never his fault... always something else.
As the father of a 14 year old son...I do know what you're talking about. But ...I, simply, couldn't resist commenting on the total lack of logical thinking expressed in his post. You know me...always go for that easy target. :D
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You know... what really sucks is that there are some really great people in here that are interested in what the game is really about but they get treated like crap by others both in the air as well as verbally. I really thought this place was different when I decided to pay my hard earned money for a little enjoyment and stress relief. I was very wrong.
It's really too bad that there are so many people who are so pissed off at the world that they take it out on the nice ones. I guess you, and you know who I am talking about, have to use this community to take out your own frustrations about your shortcomings on others to make you feel better about yourselves. Well, fine, if I have given you that pleasure than great, I can think of so many other things I could have said or done to make only myself happy. Sooner or later, someone is gonna come along and crap on you when you are doing what you think is a good thing and then you will will have this kind of crap to deal with too. Personally, I am in the "service business" and have to take this kind of crap on daily, so go blow your crap at someone else... your words mean nothing to me!
One of these days I might be the one who could clear your 6 or the one who fills your bellybutton with lead and no matter what, I will be enjoying it.
Thanks guys!
The higher... the fewer! :aok
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I agree...please turn KS off and restore the DA to its old rules....Add a disclaimer about vulching and ignoring etiquette, etc... and if a player is breaking these disclaimed rules record it, send it to HTC and actully MAKE CONSEQUENCES! problem solved
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I'm sick of the DA threads bumping the legitimate threads down to the bottom of the page.
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Two things: 39ruk, I've been Arcades057 since I got here a year ago. I haven't been here long, but long enough to know that half of you take your real-life frustrations out in a forum where you can get away with it without any real-life repercussions.
The second thing is for LePaul. I notice you corrected someone on their misspelling of a word. Have you ever corrected HiTech on his spelling, or do you just nitpick on those you disagree with? Might want to pass your grammatical skills along to others too. :aok
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Originally posted by Arcades057
As you can see from the majority of replies to your initial post: It's not the game, it's the people. Some of the veteran players who've come on here with their cute little remarks are probably those "two weekers" who are screwing up the DA.
I fixed my AH problem: I found another game.
Hehehe, the shade accountzors must have uber skeelz to get their post count up that high eh? All those darn veteran 2 weekers screwing it up!
P.S. why do you still frequent the board if you found another game? Get bored and come to make sure we are doing alright?
P.P.S. HiTech catches crap all the time from people when he mispells a word, it just doesn't happen as often as it used to.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
now why would you take it that way?That reply could mean lots of things.
yes means you are still thinking like a tard, and are still holding on to your grudge sack to tightly to let the thought go.............
when you grow older you will learn that the conspiracy you hang on so tightly too, is in ya head........
then you can go have some fun
:D
TC
The Damned
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I still come back here because I'm waiting for the day that this game will be more like a better, newer Air warrior, rather than a daycare center for teens and an anger management class for people with no other outlet.
And because I sometimes get a kick out of some of the historical posts done by some members.
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Originally posted by e=mc2
back off Lepaul ... this is a Forum not a Spelling Bee...
LMAO, 10 posts and you think you run the place. Uh huh
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Aren't you a teen arcades? I thought (memory is slipping) I heard you on vox one night and your voice was high pitched. So what if i'm a teen, don't blame me for the other 95% that can't handle themselves *cough*half-the-people-posting-in-the-DA-threads*cough*
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Originally posted by VIC
TC, e-mc2 isnt a shades account I can assure you of that.He's a member of my squad.As a trainer any of your other negative comments you can pm them to me ,if you want.
my bad then Vic, as for negative comments, don't see where I posted any, I laughed at the conspiracy theory of AutoPilot........er and as for my earlier post, I don't see nothing wrong with dueling, and that is bout all you going to learn in the DA, is how to duel..unless ya set it up to have like 2 or 3 bouncing ya at same time....... btw VIC you got a PM.........
Originally posted by VIC
NB, we train in the DA,as we always have.I started flying in there against AIRVENT.We fought every night for 2-3 months.This kind of dedication from a single player is not available in the TA.
I don't see why it isn't, Vic........did you ask AirVent to fly with you every night for 2 or 3 months in the TA, and he refused? or vice versa? all 2 have to do is tune vox or text to each other , 1 up in say knight ctry and another in rook ctry, and go at it, you do not see a friendly icon, you see red/plane type just like in MA, then you can duke it out over & over.........if a player is commited, it should not matter which arena you are flying in to learn really, but I can see where doing it as I had described could be of alot more benefit...no reupping and waiting , etc.......... the Big Bang is the only difference, but people are allowed to train where they want, and I am not fighting that.......just get tired of the well, I can not learn this here or there, I must DA, I must DA, I must DA....that mentality is what I find fault in is all......
and as for dedication from a single player, you are refering to? a student?
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Originally posted by e=mc2
believe me I am not taking anything away from the TA and the hard work the trainers do. However I have spent a good amout of time in both places and have learned the most from the non training aces when they were not even trying to teach anything. Those Aces that are in the DA for duels with other of the same calibur in between those explosions. The Dueling Arena is essentially the most intense 5 min of a H2H over and over again. It is specialize area were I have done most of my taining.
the sudden shock of being in the Tower helps to cement the memory of what you did wrong... IE: touching HOT stove.
the human brain is hard wired to be practical in what it remembers.
e=mc2, I need to clear up something here, I do not think you are taking anything away from the TA or from the trainers, Sir.......
I am glad you have learned in a specialized way, which is I guess what you are wanting. I am not knocking you for this either.
I just do not see where there is much difference between the TA vs the DA except for the Bing/Bang/Boom..... I understand the thought of touch hot stove get burned or die and be in tower.........
in the TA you get pings/you hear them/you see flashes/hitsprites but you do not have to waste time taking off again and flying back to the student/instructor...... so my personal view is people rather train, fight and kill ( without penalty of having a bad score ) and not use the designated Training arena....... is all good, I just throwing in my 2 cents ( well my 50 cents;) ) like everyone else.......my bad for thinking u was a shades.......
Good Luck ~S~
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TC,
I dont mean that the DA is the best place to train,but in the world of immediate gratification,people want to know that they progressing,and the BOOM lets them know thatwhat they just learned, works.
I never asked AIRVENT to train me ,it just worked out that every night we were on at same time and we constatly dueled each other ,because of the ever growing population of AH2 ,the training arena has new players who ask lots of questions ,requiring lots of time,and the trainer isnt able to devote time to an understudy of the game.The training arena has and does serve a very great place in the advancement of new players and, yes, even old vets.I requested to be a trainer in the TA but was turned down by GHOST who said all spots were filled.There isnt a greater feeling than getting someone started in the game and watching them advance to the place were they give you a good fight.
I have awhole library of info that I give out to all people who ask for it,it deals with ACM and E management,I have spent lots of time to looking this stuff up and I have farmed this info out to my whole squad and several other squads who were struggling in the MA.
I think that people who are "vets" of the game should step up to the plate and help newer players get goin.This was a hot topic several months ago when everyone was whineing about the hordes and hoing and everything else.The MA will never change or become better if people who have the potential to help dont step up and do something about it.
No foul done to e=mc2
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when you grow older you will learn that the conspiracy you hang on so tightly too, is in ya head........
That is so totally funny,you guys made whels a trainer,who by the way you never even see in the TA.Is he teaching them Vulching,Spawn Camping,And the basic essentials of cherry-Picking?
As i have said before,i see TC in the other arena's more than i do in the TA.The only person i see in there the most is Fuzeman.
The DA has been out of hand for a long time,from dweebs sitting in the manned ack guns,too the dweebs that keep vulching you because you keep killing them and thier friends with relative ease.
DA = Dweeb Arena
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DA = Dweeb Arena
Then it should be perfect for you, shouldnt it?
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DA based clan? Wow! :rolleyes:
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I made my original comments rather peevishly, immediately after trying the "new" DA for the third time and getting the same experience as before -- essentially getting gang banged by 5 "red" icons while still at the "green" base. Don't know who they were, but what we had wasn't a duel by any interpretation. As I've said before, it was just a mini-MA encounter, which was what I was trying to get away from by leaving the MA.
Anyway, I was frustrated, a little angry, and wanted to spark some comment, and hopefully get some response from HiTech on the topic, which I haven't seen on any of the related threads.
As for the thought about training as it relates to the DA. Yes, the TA is the best place for newbies to learn the basics of AH flying. In my early career here, Ren gave me some good starting points, but I couldn't always find him, or another free trainer when I was on, and it was always with a group of 2 or 3 newbs. One-on-one time was limited, and honestly, I didn't know to ask for a private appointment.
However, I soon discovered the DA, and learned who the better pilots were by getting my butt kicked. But unlike the kiddy vulchers, I was respectful of other people's fights and always polite. I soon learned to ask what I was doing wrong and what would help me. I never, ever had a veteran pilot refuse either to give me pointers, constructively critique my ACM, or even offer one-on-one training, inviting me to join and fly with them. I've been schooled to a greater or lesser degree by alot of great guys and sticks -- Phish, Hemp, Wittmann, Creton, Sniper, Wolfala, Chark, and many others.
In martial arts, the primary rule of training is, seek out someone of a higher belt to spar and train with. This is what the DA provides to help people learn ACM and other secrets of Aces High. No appointments, no waiting, and real time success or failure measurement.
Its not a replacement for the TA, nor a repetition of the TA, but rather a suppliment and useful compliment to the TA. And, in addition, its a place to duel to test your mettle, do 'live' squad practices, or rap with friends and MA opponents.
The current solution ends most all of that and I think the much greater majority of pilots who use it would even prefer the teenie/vulcher/cherrypickers to leaving the DA the way it is now.
And, I also would volunteer to act as an un-paid, concientious observer/moderator, as I spend roughly a third of my average 4 to 6 hours a day flying time in the DA anyway. At least I did before kill shooter was turned on.
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The TA is great for some training. But there is a false sense of security developed if too much time is spent there with the lethality settings and such. The DA is actually the best place to train for the MA in that you will get a better feel for how much it takes to bring an opponent down.
I still would love it if HTC made it possible to shoot a player down in the TA with normal lethality settings and then the player shot down would just reappear in flight right where they left off, like the drones in the Offline mode do now.
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I'm a little unclear about what in particular your "clan" is missing out on now. Being truly "DA based" makes me wonder...what exactly were you training for? You learn stuff as you train, but then what do you plan to do with it?
The fact that you used the word "clan" sends me a couple messages. I'd bet that the bulk of your team experience has been in first person shooters like quake or counterstrike. Since the only thing you can do in DA is get kills, not tactical team captures etc, I have to wonder....are you and your clan in fact part of the vulch-o-matic free for all guys?
If you are, then to be honest I'm glad you have a problem with the current system!
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
That is so totally funny,you guys made whels a trainer,who by the way you never even see in the TA.Is he teaching them Vulching,Spawn Camping,And the basic essentials of cherry-Picking?
As i have said before,i see TC in the other arena's more than i do in the TA.The only person i see in there the most is Fuzeman.
The DA has been out of hand for a long time,from dweebs sitting in the manned ack guns,too the dweebs that keep vulching you because you keep killing them and thier friends with relative ease.
DA = Dweeb Arena
Good Morning, Groucho................
exactly what I meant.............and I guess "whels" is not one of our communitys better / "well liked by all" players involving GV's, bombing, ship /fleet control and strategy play type training and has lots of knowledge regarding the game inside & out? hmm? AutoPilot is much more the leet kingsman on this subject...... he is well respected by the AH Community as well, and never complains or shows his bad side to anyone.......always the gentleman........
As for my TA time, thank you, I needed someone to keep up with my hours , is much appreciated... :aok
now you go and call everyone that flys the DA, Dweebs, that will not win you any acceptance from others, Groucho, may want to rephrase your comments/thoughts regarding .......
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Great post there Sloehand ( the one right above Mugz )
Mugz, that would be a well appreciated added feature if we could have the same as the drones........in the TA.......
hope people don't think I am DOWN , on the DA, I go to the DA myself, and have helped others when they asked how or why a certain fight turned out the way it did.......
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Originally posted by Simaril
I'm a little unclear about what in particular your "clan" is missing out on now. Being truly "DA based" makes me wonder...what exactly were you training for? You learn stuff as you train, but then what do you plan to do with it?
The fact that you used the word "clan" sends me a couple messages. I'd bet that the bulk of your team experience has been in first person shooters like quake or counterstrike. Since the only thing you can do in DA is get kills, not tactical team captures etc, I have to wonder....are you and your clan in fact part of the vulch-o-matic free for all guys?
If you are, then to be honest I'm glad you have a problem with the current system!
Gosh, it really doesn't matter what some are training for nor how they'll apply that. How in hell can you say that you're glad about something you don't have clue about?
The point is that many come in DA for different reasons, some for squad training, some for duels, some for mini furballs, bombing, GV battles, and probably for that reason there are many different types of fields for the above mentioned activities.
Who'd really care as long as people are having fun.
The problem is that flood of two weekers and even some vets are coming into DA to interfere in others people fun. They jump into fights without asking, they are vulching, cherry picking, bad mouthing and consequently ruin fun for everyone.
Due to the complaints HTC applied quick fix, ie. killshooter was turned on.
Unfortunately that did not stop those peeps, they still do the nasties and at the same time fun of those well behaved majority is limited because of the killshooter.
Majority of the DA regulars want some system in place which will limit those who ruin the experience for all the others, without getting limited themselves in their activities.
How hard is to understand that?
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Didnt mean to tee you off...if you're not part of the vulching/free-for-all-whether-you-want-it-or-not crowd!
There's no reason to be upset with me: If you take a minute to re-read what I wrote, you'll see that the only people I dissed were the troublemakers. Never judged anybody else, and my musing about the purpose of a DA only squad was simply to form a logical foundation for the elements that followed. Its how I learned to write what they call "argumentative essays", which are really just debates on paper.
So again, just calm down a bit, man. Read and consider whats really there, not what you rpojected into it.
And as for my not having a clue, realize that my text was written to the thread starter, the only guy who actually referred to a "clan". I've gone to the DA now and again myself for quick fights, practice, and training (both giving and receiving). I've exoerienced the vulch and unwanted FFA problem, and I've taken turn hammering those who wouldnt get the idea and play fair.
I'm not quite a clueless dolt. (No fair asking my teens for their opinions, tho!)
The Killshoot is a quick fix, that has the benefit of immediate implementation. It is a change, and even good changes require us to adapt....so think also about some of the suggestions in the thread. Just changing the end rules of fights so the winner is the one who "kills" himself (thru KS) would work out for me; could it for you? Making the vulchers come from an enemy base WILL help -- it tells everyone who they are (red icon) so a quick friendly swarm can hit em before there's trouble, and it makes them wait 5-7 minutes after getting killed before having another chance to be evil. Fort Short Attention Span Theater guys, that may be enough to get 'em to move along.
Getting a whole nother group of appropritaet guys to have admin privileges woudl be a major headache for HT, adn will take time to set up and later to monitor. (I'm sure that HTC personnell devote time regularly to reviewing the monitors' performance... and this would be another layer of that each day.) Also, the sad fact is that many potential admins dont really have the temprament for it -- the job requires the patience of Job and calmness under fire without a hint of the "oh yeah, we'll see who's boss" attitude that leads to overreacting and uneven enforcement. The Ta dudes cant stretch much further, and there's already a shortfall in coverage for their primary purpose. Examining myself with an honest eye, I dont think I could "keep an even keel " enough to be a good monitor. And, to be blunt, your response here implies that you might have some struggles in the role too. *No offense intended -- I'm irish/german, and have to watch out for the sterotypical stubbornness and low boiling temperature!
So yeah, there was a problem, and the solution put in quickly isnt perfect. It was needed, as eveidneced by experience and by the sheer number of teenie new posters complaining about losing vulch opportunities. But KS can work for now if we adapt some (as most of the vets have said), and we can look for a better solution in the meantime.
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creton would blitz akak in a 1 on 1 fight in a matter of seconds.
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I know u guys hate teens posting about DA, but this diff... Err... what did HT do to 'destroy' the DA, as I've been reading so much about? I logged in just now fine...
Sorry again, but just curious...
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Funny I had a guy complaining in the TA last night about the death of the DA.
After talking it through with him it became abundantly clear what has really changed in the DA. Its not the 1 on 1 dueling. That still happens just fine, just takes minor amount of coordination.
What everyone seems to be so upset about is not dueling or about dueling. Its about the Free for All. We used to get the FFA in the TA until HT after endlless complaints turned the damage down until no one died.
FFA promptly moved into the DA and set up residence.
The Dueling arena was never set up to be for 15-30 people doing free for all.
It was setup for dueling, 1 on 1 prearranged duels for fun, ladder, or ego's.
The DA is not dead with KS on, but the Free for All sure is.
So I have one question for all of you who are upset with the current state of affairs. WHY the DA? You want anything goes, well thats the Main sir's.
You want a free for all, just head to the main, find the biggest red dar bar and jump into it. Your free to vulch, shoot, bomb, as you please.
So if your in the DA for a FFA, instead of the main, you seriously need to ask yourself WHY!
Last, for all of you who have frequented the DA for the last 2 years this is on your own shoulders. Last sunday I walked into the DA and in less than 10 minutes had things straightened out. And I did it with no powers, no .eject, nothing you don't have.
I did it with 3 things, sheer force of personality, AHfilm, and a phone number.
You all have had your chance, and failed to police the area enough to keep it the way it was. So now its time for something different.
I'm sure we have not heard the last from HTC on this.
Have patience.
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KS turned on to frustrate the vulch-o-matic crowd.
And BTW, in my experience when people talk about "teens" in here, they're referring to a developmental mindset, not a chronological age. AS FOrrest wold say, "Stupid is as stupid does"....and I've know plenty of teens who had more maturity than some of the "adults" on 200! So with posts and sigs like yours, you're in the clear as far as I'm concerned, no matter what your age happens to be.
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OMG is the world coming to an end?
Hubsonfire & I actually agree on something.
SCARY STUFF!
Hub's right, there is nothing that the DA was designed for that can't be done with KS on.
If you were in the DA for the Free for all you need to learn to bring it to the main.
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I will say TC that the DA helped me almost as much as the TA in the beginning. The TA just doesn't give the same intensity as the DA did. In the TA, I didn't care if I got hit. Nothing happened. But in the DA I pushed the plane harder to avoid catching rounds therefore helping as a whole. Also, it's not hard to renew a fight after being shot down. So long as you don't start the fights at 10K+ all you do is take off, get up some speed and re-engage. While doing so it gives a chance for the trainer to tell you a little of what you did wrong.
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So?
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Originally posted by VIC
snip...
Also in case you didnt realize it ,ACES HIGH II is nothing more than a FPS game with wings.:D
IT stuns me that someone could openly and honestly believe this.
you know, "physics" is actually more than a word that follows "rag doll"!
AH is far, far, far from an FPS. AH starts with the models and the physics of flight, and turns it into a game. FPS's start with a concept -- run around and kill things -- and essentailly searches for a framework to shove the concept into. Thats why FPS's can feel the same whether they're supposed to be sci-fi or "real". FPS guns are balanced for their gameplay, not for reflecting reality....and the list of differences goes on.
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I find it a bit disconcerting to fight a plane allied colors...and WHY do we need 3 threads on the SAME @#@$ subject?
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Hehe, thanks :)
Well, a big wow and thnx from me going out to HT for KS. I know it won't have the numbers it used to no more, but serious duelling (no matter how rare now) will be serious duelling
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hmm..what happened to 'seen and not heard'?
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Great post, Ghosth =S=
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I don't vulch, I'm not a teen, and I'm not happy about the change.
Another veiw could be that as the DA is now, many guys who just want some instant action and mindless fun feel short changed. The DA use to be unique, just like the MA. You could do 1vs1 ego chest thumping duels. But you could also train, furball, practice bombing and have GV wars.
What I think funny is the guys who rarely appear in the DA and tell all the "furballers" to go to the DA suddenly feel the need to tell us it's an arena meant for dueling only and that the change was good.
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why dont you read instead of making another stupid DA thread.
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This and the numerous other DA threads are riding the rails to nowhere.
In recent months there have been numerous posts decrying the poor sportmanship taking place in the DA. Some of it is was probably due to newbies who just didn't know better. Some of it was intentional.
I can't speak for HTC's decision to turn KS on but my guess is, it was meant to stem the fragging. Now that it's become de facto, either deal with it or send a constructive alternative to HTC.
my two cents
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there's no one good to duel anymore anyways.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I'm not a teen yet!!!
:D
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Well, i gotta admit theres one thing that really "annoys" me about the DA as it is now.
With my skills and the people im fighting usually, i am luck if a duel lasts 30 secs. Having to fly 3 mins climbout to fight means i spend about 80% of my time on climbout.
I kind of like wetrats and Yuccas solution: up same field, fight, first one down wins. But its not really going to cut it out in the long run.
And no, i dont miss any form of FFA in the DA. Never participated in any (except when it was a squad thing). AFAIK it was always "check6 rule", never really FFA. Untill the newbs made it that.
But theres also funny games that have been played. "Rolling plane game" for example, or "tag". Those are impossible now.
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Originally posted by VIC
1) as most of the squad is comprised of newer players, I am not and have several times smacked each of you down under my other cpid ...
2) your achieving nothing here except to further prove to HTC that you are part of the problem instead of the solution ...
1) Best way to be gangbanged in this BBS.
2) The solution concerning the general behaviour of players is not easy. Generally speaking yes, during the last months there are a lot of players (old and new) making the MA and DA a persistent world of porkers, vulchers, kill stealers, "gamers of the game" and furballers. And this no matter what general situation and what plane they are in.
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Originally posted by Simaril
I'm not quite a clueless dolt. (No fair asking my teens for their opinions, tho!)
I didn't say you are dolt. As to have no clue, I meant you don't know the reason for each person why it goes into DA.
Originally posted by Simaril
And, to be blunt, your response here implies that you might have some struggles in the role too.
And to be blunt, I never said I would volunteer for something like that. In matter of fact, I declined position in AH trainers team, because I don't think I'm suited for it, even less so for DA.
But that doesn't mean there's a lack of people of character who could and would do it.
Originally posted by Simaril
It was needed, as eveidneced by experience and by the sheer number of teenie new posters complaining about losing vulch opportunities. But KS can work for now if we adapt some (as most of the vets have said), and we can look for a better solution in the meantime.
Again, how the heck everybody knows vulchers are crying here. I'm regular in DA and for the fact I know that most who complained are good guys.
Originally posted by Max
or send a constructive alternative to HTC.
There have been plenty, if you'd just bother to read.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Aren't you a teen arcades? I thought (memory is slipping) I heard you on vox one night and your voice was high pitched. So what if i'm a teen, don't blame me for the other 95% that can't handle themselves *cough*half-the-people-posting-in-the-DA-threads*cough*
You mean the "John Anderson being kicked in the nuts before hitting the stage before a Yes concert", high pitch?
Karaya
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Hub's right, there is nothing that the DA was designed for that can't be done with KS on.
I think you did not understand the problem Ghost. It's not so much we couldn't duel with KS on, it's just that KS doesn't stop bad apples ruining the duels, they just fly a bit longer before they can vulch.
KS didn't solve the problem, that's why you see all the threads.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
We're all mental midgets basking in CRETON's genius. He's got the latest CAT scans to prove it!
ack-ack
I scanned my cat once. I kept gettin fuzzy pictures, so I finaly duct taped his butt to the glass. Worked like a charm.
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I rarely see more than 20 guys in there at a time. Arent there enough bases for everyone in there? As far as time between fights...you guys better stay away from WW2OL. Ive flown a good part of a 1/2 hour just to find an enemy.
As far as the DA as a teaching tool...it depends who is in there. Many people are in there to be king, until someone better comes in. Not alot of help.
Also where the DA can help you with your merge for duels, in other arenas you would be getting a facefull of lead. Flying around at 1k teaches you nothing about SA, managing multiple enemy encounters, defeating bnz,or other things that happen while in other arenas.
If all I wanted to do was fly quick duels all the time, id save my 15 bucks a month and go H2H.
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lol j
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And really TC,we can tell the kind of people you are bringing into the TA because it shows in every other arena with the HO'ing,the lack and teaching of ACM,and you are responsible for that.
Seems you and everybody else doesn't like too hear or see the truth written,maybe you'll get over that one day.
And who said i wanted acceptance by you and the others?Like i care what you and the others think.
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I went to the DA for the first time last night... wasn't impressed (which is, I imagine, why everyone is complaining about it lately).
I got HO'd a few times... ok, no huge deal.
I had to chase down two bandits who decided fighting wasn't for them and tried to run... ok, kind of annoying.
I had a guy vulch me on takeoff... very annoying.
I had a guy in a 262 try to pick me off while I was engaged with a spit16. This would've really pissed me off if the idiot hadn't tried to turn fight me - needless to say, there's 262 wreckage scattered across the countryside now.
I wasn't overly impressed, and I certainly hope they can get things straightened out.
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Originally posted by wetrat
Try emailing skuzzy if you intend to persist in the abuse.....
LOL!
Skuzzy's gonna love you!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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We really do not need 9 threads about the same topic folks.
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Why did this become a training issue and why are we talking about the TA?
I'll train or duel with/who ever I want when ever I want. If I think I need some 'formal' training I will come to the TA. If I just want to have fun and learn something in the process form some one that I think is better than me, I'll go to the DA. If I just want to duel, again I'll go to the DA.
TC, don't take this as an attack, but atlist 1 of the trainers have beed part of the problem in the DA.
In any case. This was a simple problem with a simple solution. Establish rules, use mods, or do something about it when films or complains are send to you.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
I think you did not understand the problem Ghost. It's not so much we couldn't duel with KS on, it's just that KS doesn't stop bad apples ruining the duels, they just fly a bit longer before they can vulch.
KS didn't solve the problem, that's why you see all the threads.
There is another problem with dueling with a red guy. The colision model. Once you get in close, one of you will go down due to a colision. Maybe better if those could be turnd off also?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
We really do not need 9 threads about the same topic folks.
Skuzzy, um, yeah, we do. What we'll do later (unknown date) is compile tha responses from the last 100 threads on this topic. Go over the data. Start 100 more threads in the quest for the perfect solution. :aok
Karaya
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Funny I had a guy complaining in the TA last night about the death of the DA.
After talking it through with him it became abundantly clear what has really changed in the DA. Its not the 1 on 1 dueling. That still happens just fine, just takes minor amount of coordination.
What everyone seems to be so upset about is not dueling or about dueling. Its about the Free for All. We used to get the FFA in the TA until HT after endlless complaints turned the damage down until no one died.
FFA promptly moved into the DA and set up residence.
The Dueling arena was never set up to be for 15-30 people doing free for all.
It was setup for dueling, 1 on 1 prearranged duels for fun, ladder, or ego's.
The DA is not dead with KS on, but the Free for All sure is.
So I have one question for all of you who are upset with the current state of affairs. WHY the DA? You want anything goes, well thats the Main sir's.
You want a free for all, just head to the main, find the biggest red dar bar and jump into it. Your free to vulch, shoot, bomb, as you please.
So if your in the DA for a FFA, instead of the main, you seriously need to ask yourself WHY!
Last, for all of you who have frequented the DA for the last 2 years this is on your own shoulders. Last sunday I walked into the DA and in less than 10 minutes had things straightened out. And I did it with no powers, no .eject, nothing you don't have.
I did it with 3 things, sheer force of personality, AHfilm, and a phone number.
You all have had your chance, and failed to police the area enough to keep it the way it was. So now its time for something different.
I'm sure we have not heard the last from HTC on this.
Have patience.
I have to disagree here ... and I will tell you why it sucks ... for me.
We have had nights where the squaddies will all go the to DA and FFA amongst ourselfs while all logged in as the same country.
This allowed a constant flow of fights due to the fact that if one died, they immediately launched and literally within seconds was back into the action. If I wanted to just hook up with Morph or Stang, I would initiate the fight over vox and could immediately identify their plane and get into the fight. Also, this was avantageous for other squaddies to indentify and know what fights to stay out of. The current situation does not allow this ... and it SUCKS !!!.
With KS on, for those who followed the rules, many more fights could be had in one DA session in one night than you could get in 2 days now in the DA with KS off. I like the idea of NOT having to fly 1/2 sector to get into a fight that takes all of 30 seconds at most (for most fights) and then have to launch again and fly 1/2 sector to get back into it again.
I have been spending quite a bit of time in the DA within the last month due to the fact that the MA just plain blows chunks as of late. Despite what Ghosth says or thinks, it was not an FFA. For the most part, all that were/are flying in the DA have acted correctly and accordingly. Check 6s were given - returned and fights were had without interruption.
Those that violated the "rulez" - cherry-picking fights / vulching the runway / shooting planes from the spawn while sitting at the spawn were pretty much kept in check by those that were victims of the abuse along with the other that would help keep the violaters in check.
In other words ... the community was starting to control the situation themselves ... which for the most part ... was pretty fair in their judgements/punishments.
With that, and now that KS is on, I would tend to believe that they "bad apples" were the ones that started to whine incessantly to HTC and for some reason HTC decided to act.
The real puzzling part is that before the DA community started to police themselves, they asked repeatedly for assistance from HTC and it all appeared to have fallen on deaf ears ... but now we have KS on to solve the problem ? ... cheap way out and is bogus from where I sit.
So, Ghosth ... you really haven't been in the DA too much as of late, otherwise you wouldn't have made this arrogant statement ... You all have had your chance, and failed to police the area enough to keep it the way it was. DA was policing itself and for the most part was doing a good and fair job from what I experienced.
There is no reason why the DA could not be restored to KS on and it have Mods ... just the same as the TA ... to keep things in check and running smoothly. If discretionary individuals can be found and used in the TA, then the same can be done for the DA.
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Originally posted by Squeaky Teens
:cry
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Slapshot
I'll agree to disagree on this subject sir, and continue to give you the respect you've earned. I expect the same in return.
As for not being in there enough, well I put in about 6 hours of my time last sunday "trying" to help the situation. No need to take my word for it. Ask AKA, MRD, or many others. To little too late, most likely, but at least I TRIED!
Arrogant, absolutely not. And from my perspective I've done nothing to earn that slam.
The fact of the matter is KS in the DA is a temp fix. I trust HTC to be working on a better long term solution. We just need to give them the time to do it.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
The fact of the matter is KS in the DA is a temp fix. I trust HTC to be working on a better long term solution. We just need to give them the time to do it.
Yup... now let the kiddies go back to squeaking and screaching.
:)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
We really do not need 9 threads about the same topic folks.
With apologies, Skuzzy. Yes, we do. Use this as statistical evidence that a great many in the community are VERY unhappy with the current solution. People are trying to voice their collective opinion (what else is a forum for?), but often figure their not being heard, or worse, ignored.
But there is a problem, and HiTech et al, should listen, not scold.
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SloeHand: See rule 3.
3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Slapshot
As for not being in there enough, well I put in about 6 hours of my time last sunday "trying" to help the situation. No need to take my word for it. Ask AKA, MRD, or many others. To little too late, most likely, but at least I TRIED!
The fact of the matter is KS in the DA is a temp fix. I trust HTC to be working on a better long term solution. We just need to give them the time to do it.
Ghosth, I know you've been in the DA RECENTLY, but not, I think, consistantly over the last 11 months. At least not as consistantly as I have.
I discovered AH 11 months ago, and being semi-retired for awhile I've been on EVERY day since, minus maybe 15-20 days. Of the days I'm online, 70-80% of them I spent at least a 1/2 hour to up to 6 hours of it in the DA.
Up until a month or so ago, we had a managable problem with the newbie troublemakers, which would escalate somewhat, then taper back down, right after an Aces High TV promo. We were "policing" the DA ourselves and it basically worked, though we all wished HiTech would make it better and easier to do with a few adjustments.
Then, for some reason, we got a real influx of 'bad' guys. Instead of the usual one or two in the DA at any one time and all the time, we started getting 4, 5, and 6 of them all at once. And at least two or three of them were uncharateristically persistant (13adMofo in particular), enjoying their anti-social, disruptive activities day after day no matter what we (the DA community at large) did. No admonishment, comment, complaint, threat or punishment would stop those few, as had worked on the majority in the past. Their persistant bad behavior seemed to encourage the normal newbs that we used to eventually rehabilitate, or who left the DA permanently.
So, the DA just got really out of hand the last two weeks and so, the complaints escalated as well, and you Ghosth showed up. Which we do thank you for.
So we have managed the problem in the DA ourselves for a long time, but recently it has been more of a problem than ever. I wish I knew your secret - what AH films and phone number? -- and am glad you had success. Maybe it goes to show that a little proper intervention by a Mod periodically would help solve the problem instead of radically changing the format of the DA to the detriment of all.
Also, this is the first time I've heard that kill shooter in the DA is a 'temorary' fix, but am glad for that. Where does HiTech 'tell' us what they are doing about a problem and its solution. As far as I know, kill shooter appeared without any warning to anyone, and no mention of temporary was made. Did I miss the memo?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Slapshot
I'll agree to disagree on this subject sir, and continue to give you the respect you've earned. I expect the same in return.
As for not being in there enough, well I put in about 6 hours of my time last sunday "trying" to help the situation. No need to take my word for it. Ask AKA, MRD, or many others. To little too late, most likely, but at least I TRIED!
Arrogant, absolutely not. And from my perspective I've done nothing to earn that slam.
The fact of the matter is KS in the DA is a temp fix. I trust HTC to be working on a better long term solution. We just need to give them the time to do it.
My apologies Ghosth ... sorry I got a little worked up ... I thought that we were doing a pretty good job in there and to be accused of not doing just that ... well ... again ... sorry for the off-cuff attack.
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As slohand said. It was fairly easy to control when it was a few gus doing it. Now it seems it is everyone. In any case, even though policing it ourselfs can work, that is not why I go to the DA. Am not going there to vulch JohnnyWas son for an our an a half, only to have Johnnywa senior to show up in order to continue. Sure I kept them from interfeerign with anyone elses fight, but what about me? Eventually the get smart and up 163s or 262s from a different field. I would not mind helping but vulching them does not work, especially when there are there in numbers.
2 simple rules and doing something to the abusers would have been enough.
Here is an other reason killshooter makes it worse. Lets say you do get into a duel with your budie and a couple of these idiots show up. How do you know who is who?
For trying, but this will not work.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
And really TC,we can tell the kind of people you are bringing into the TA because it shows in every other arena with the HO'ing,the lack and teaching of ACM,and you are responsible for that.
Seems you and everybody else doesn't like too hear or see the truth written,maybe you'll get over that one day.
And who said i wanted acceptance by you and the others?Like i care what you and the others think.
Auto, I have had nothing to do with the training corps or your current vendetta, but this private war is descending towards irrational personal attack.
In order for the training corps to help change the way people fly, those people have to both WANT help and LISTEN when they;re taught. I'd wager that 90% or more CPID's in the MA havent had any significant training time, and dont particularly want anyone to tell them how to do better.
You may be bitter over past percieved wrongs, but there's just no place for blaming TC for the MA. Claims like that jsut make you look silly.
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So, there has been some misunderstanding going on about what I said about my squad and the DA. We do not use the DA for anything else but practice and dualing challenges, in most cases we do not stay at A30 but move to other bases within the DA. We do not fire on others without checking six or being fired on first.
I want to apologise for any misunderstanding from what I wrote, all we are interested in is good clean fun and playing the game to the best of our ability. There was no personal attact on anyone in the game or at HTC.
Sure the FFA's in the DA are fun but only if all want to do it. We have even challenged other squads to group duals. It wasn't just the vulching and such but the personal verbal attacks a few of those people committed on others that go to me, there was a few very bad things said to and about our female squad mate that almost made her quit the game all together and when her son stood up for her things got even worse. I guess that's all part of the reason I went off so bad last night and because of the fun the game & the DA can be.
If I pissed anyone off in here, I am sorry! I never had any intent to make anything worse, only better.
The higher...The fewer!!
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For me, it is not about kills, more about staying alive and learning to be a better pilot. Our squad name, THE BAD COMPANY CLAN is not now or ever going to be anything more than a squad name. There are far worse names out there and plenty of more nasty people too.
Our moto is simple... Have fun, play our best, no trash talking and respect others. I have only been at AH for a couple of months, never been in this kind of game before and got scooped up by these good guys who are not looking for the killers but those who have the want to learn. Our squadies are nice guys and gal who range from 13 to 53 and even had a birthday request to fly a mission in the main arena, now does that sound like a first strike or vulcher type of squad? Though I will admit, DUGY (the 13 yr old) does count his kills but he is a 13 yr old kid, we accept that.
Sorry if anyone got the wrong attitude.
MRDilligaf.
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Originally posted by dedalos
TC,
I didn't , no worries, out of all the different threads and from what I can remember it all has run amuck :D
Good Luck DA flyers with your wishes.......maybe you end up getting some type of middle ground
as for the training issue question, ded, think it got all mixed between the umpteen different threads , and I'll take full responsibility for throwing the wrench into the works...........is all really funny to read though actually:lol
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
And really TC,we can tell the kind of people you are bringing into the TA because it shows in every other arena with the HO'ing,the lack and teaching of ACM,and you are responsible for that.
Seems you and everybody else doesn't like too hear or see the truth written,maybe you'll get over that one day.
And who said i wanted acceptance by you and the others?Like i care what you and the others think.
:rofl someone is having a hisseyfit :rofl
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Better give him his pacifier :D :rofl
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there are parts of the DA that only the dedicated go. The peeps that want to sit and pull wings offa flies can fly where the DA spawns em. I really like the TA and old DA. Some really good training, and fun flying with no k/s. But ya know what... I work around this too... :-)
(you know who you are) :D
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Originally posted by nirvana
Aren't you a teen arcades? I thought (memory is slipping) I heard you on vox one night and your voice was high pitched. So what if i'm a teen, don't blame me for the other 95% that can't handle themselves *cough*half-the-people-posting-in-the-DA-threads*cough*
No, Nirvana, I'm 25 and the voice is nowhere near highpitch.
It's not the teens who are the problem, I'm sorry if you thought I meant that. I was a teen once and played Air Warrior for hours and hours every night and was nice and civil to everyone around me. The problem arises from the, let us say, teen-mentality, ie the folks that prattle on about "great ho, loser" all night long. I got sick and tired of flying for an hour or two a night and seeing dozens of "HO dweeb" or "got lucky, alt dweeb" or "you n00b" being thrown back and forth. The MA struck me as exactly what I sadi: A teen and preteen daycare center and a place for people who are meek and picked on in real life to vent their frustrations. Not a place for me to go and have fun.
But to each his own. Enjoy the game
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Slapshot, and in return I'll apoligise.
I had no intention of tarring you with the same brush as the free for all vulch crowd at 30. Your right, I havn't been in the DA that much in the last year.
I'm also right, I've seen that FFA, know it intimately from when it was in the TA.
I've watched the problem ebb & flow over the last 5 years. Only the names have changed, the behaivor doesn't.
Vulching those who vulched you isn't really a solution. It just leads to more miscommunication, more angry feelings, more vulching. Education is the key, but there are some apples that refuse to learn. They are just bad apples.
And "some" of the ones who are screaming the loudest now, are the biggest problems.
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First off, Air Warrior is DEAD !!! I thank god and HT that Aces High will never become AWIV.
TA is the training arena, most often used as a beginners area to learn the basics of the game. Advanced training can also be had here should you want, just ask.
DA is the Dueling Arena, used as a place to have that 1 vs 1 fight to see whos best. As for training, it could be helpful as an advanced area to learn advanced ACM.
MA is for pretty much everything else. What you learn in the TA, and DA is only a foundation for what you learn in the MA. Sure the "take off's" the same as you learned in the TA, the advanced manuvers are the same as in the DA, but there is vulchin in the MA as well as "cherry pickers" that defeat even the best advanced maneuvers.
All games have rules, and in a "business" such as this one those rules define what the company is trying to market. Should you not like the product, you are free to go. Crying and demanding change isn't going to get you any where. If I don't like what Chevy did to the new Monte Carlo, I just don't buy one. Same here, if ya don't like the "game", if you can't fit "your style" of play into the mold, move along. Why make this tougher than it is?
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Crying and demanding change isn't going to get you any where.
Thats not true,when they wanted the fuel changed they cryed and it got changed.When they wanted the darkness to end,they cryed and it was no longer dark.
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Thats not true,when they wanted the fuel changed they cryed and it got changed.When they wanted the darkness to end,they cryed and it was no longer dark.
And they are still crying about both. The point is, if your not happy with the game, move on! If there is nothing else you would rather be playing, adapt to what is available either here or someplace else. Stop crying and play the game....which ever game you play!
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Stop crying and play the game....which ever game you play!
What if your playing the Crying Game?
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
And they are still crying about both. The point is, if your not happy with the game, move on! If there is nothing else you would rather be playing, adapt to what is available either here or someplace else. Stop crying and play the game....which ever game you play!
Did you bother reading the thread?
It's not about crying to change the game. It's about players --> few bad apples. It's about the change which limit those who behave and does not limit bad behaviour.
All you do is whinning about those who you think they whine about something you don't know what it really is.
Same suggestion to you; if you don't like discussion about DA, don't read it, don't post, just leave it.
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First off, yes I did waste the time to read each and every post here. It started with Slohand "crying" about the changes made to the DA, those changes where made due to others "crying" and the "few bad apples" you pointed out.
Second,"Crying" about this stuff never fixes anything. All ya do is make one guy happy, and piss three more off. The differance between your posts and mine is I know it won't "fix" everything, you and others who spend their time here "crying" about it believe it will.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
What if your playing the Crying Game?
I have nothing else to add (like a lot of folks around here)... but I wanted to point this out and nominate it for the "funniest line ever" award.
:)
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Second,"Crying" about this stuff never fixes anything.
:cry And crying about crying does? :cry
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Kill shooters in the DA just isnt right.......If some teens are bohoin about other teens vulchin them, then so what.
The DA just isnt the DA if you cant fight your own country...This is where we have always looked for 1v1 fights.....even challenged eachother to them. So, If I cant kill fellow countrymen then I cant challenge another player. This contridicts the whole principle of even having a DA, because you cannot tell who the enemy is.....just like the MA.
I think HiTech should stay out of the DA. If people are vulchin you in there....and you really want to fight 1v1....all you have to do is change fields, and flip the guy the Bird on country......Now we cant even fight in there because of KS....I think this is BS.
Put the DA back to the way it was!!!!!!!!!!!
Pieper
BTW.....If you see a Spit you cant shake on your 6......chances are Its me
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Let me get this straight... correct if I read your post wrong, but this is what you are saying;
1. Hitech should stay out of the DA, even if then own, are responsible for, and moderate the DA.
2. The DA isn't a place for 1v1s, unless you can hide in a corner of the map from some one who is more interested in vulching or interrupting a 1v1.
3. You are one of these individuals that routinely interrupt 1v1s, and you will continue to do so.
Glad I don't go to the DA often... sounds like a concentrated form of teen-whining to me.
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i have flown in the DA for a few years now, on and off, under many different names. this is my take on the DA.
if you really want to duel someone (with all fairness), then i believe each should set a plane, an agreed upon altitude, take off from seperate fields, merge cold, and....game on.
there is nothing stopping you from challenging another player. type them a message, and you guys can determine the rest....
DA should be about a 1v1 fight, with both parties having agreed upon rules. though i mostly fly circles waiting for someone to "six me," that call almost always comes when they are 2-3k out. the person giving the 6 holds all the cards, they choose their speed, they choose who to six, and they choose who they call. not entirely fair.
imho, the DA as it was without killshooter was a psuedo DA anyway...if you call a six against someone, and you lose, well you know you screwed up. if you call a six on someone and win....are you really better given the fact that you hold all the cards to begin with?
so, with kill shooter on you can still challenge people to a duel...it doesn't take very long for 2 planes to lift off and meet each other. the only downside i see is that you cant all cluster and set your own terms for a duel.
frankly, its been a long long time since i've had a good duel there. had a couple against 2bighorn..or bovidae..(sp), had a few with jish, but other than that seems to be a bunch of teens vulching, and a bunch of guy's sixing when they have advantage. also of note, had some fun with batfink's squad, fighting another squad 1-2 months ago.
so just have 2 bases where red and green can meet.....and the rest for serious duelers who really want to test each other. of course this is my HO.
p.s....can we please stop with all these DA posts about the same thing.
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DON'T YOU $$%%$** PEOPLE READ! THERE'S ALREADY LIKE 5 #$#$$#^ THREADS ON THIS SUBJECT!...HEAD....EXPLODING.....
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like all other teenagers, its all about them, and they are the center of the universe, there fore nobody else could possibly have though of, or posted about this yet. :D
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Originally posted by Pieper
Kill shooters in the DA just isnt right.......If some teens are bohoin about other teens vulchin them, then so what.
The DA just isnt the DA if you cant fight your own country...This is where we have always looked for 1v1 fights.....even challenged eachother to them. So, If I cant kill fellow countrymen then I cant challenge another player. This contridicts the whole principle of even having a DA, because you cannot tell who the enemy is.....just like the MA.
I think HiTech should stay out of the DA. If people are vulchin you in there....and you really want to fight 1v1....all you have to do is change fields, and flip the guy the Bird on country......Now we cant even fight in there because of KS....I think this is BS.
Put the DA back to the way it was!!!!!!!!!!!
Pieper
BTW.....If you see a Spit you cant shake on your 6......chances are Its me
when I was fighting batfink you came 200 off me and missed I still killed you:D
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how many of these ****ing threads to we need? Jesus.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
how many of these ****ing threads to we need? Jesus.
Morpheus,
When asking a question of people like Jesus, I think you should move the question mark after his name. Something like this:
How many of these ****ing threads do we need, Jesus?
:D
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You are an idiot aren't you?
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lmao morph
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LOL Where is the "SKUZZY LOVES YOU ..........BUT HE'S STILL GOING TO LOCK THIS THREAD"......... picture when you need it errrr
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Originally posted by e=mc2
it is the issue that is important. not MR D's spelling.
Seems to me the reason today's kids are pretty much illiterate is because for the last 15 - 20 years, schools have stressed.... it's the meaning that's important and not the spelling. It's time to get back to trying to be the best that we can be!!
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Originally posted by Alky
It's time to get back to trying to be the best that we can be!!
As the father of a 14 year old.....well said. :)
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Agreed... The D.A. was where I'd retreat to for an occasional breathe of fresh air , dogfight and a laugh . Now thats a thing of the past I see:cry
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
As the father of a 14 year old.....
NB, live the next two years as if they'll be your last. :D
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I was in the DA when KillShooter was turned on and hitech said this is a test. I thought nothing of it and went to the MA. Eventually i asked a trainer about it and he said it was staying on. He told me it was to stop vulching and then told me the way to still duel that i already knew but would take to long. I would go to the DA for quick fights when the MA started to bore me. I subscribed mostly because of the DA it is what made the game unique at first.
So since KS has been turned on i've asked my squad members if they wanted to go to the DA for a fight and everyone i asked told me no cause it takes to long and to switch countries, and fly from base to base, and dont foget changing to channel 201 or something like that. so i go in the DA about 5 people there, next thing I knew ... BAM I get vulched on the runway by a con. Then I ask if anyone wants to duel i get no answer i see all the other people chasing the con trying to get a kill. and i thought to myself this is nothing but the Backups Backup MA or a mini MA.
Friday nights there use to be about 25-35 people in the DA but now there are 0-5 and everytime i check those people in their are obviously new cause they are shooting at each other while on the same country. KS was not the solution all it did is ruin it for everybody to stop those 10% vulchers. and if it got to bad i would just move to another base with a lot of other friends until it settled down. Also squad practicing is now harder and takes longer.
there were plenty of other solutions like as people have said with the mods or put a trainer in there or volunteer trainers or the best idea I have heard to leave KS on until both players agreed to have it be tuned off for those who ask to engage with you. i really hope they will find another way besides KS cause i dont know how much longer i can play in the MA only without getting bored. Im not saying the MA isnt fun just that there is really not much else to do.
My MA squad consits of a lot of friends i met in the DA who have really no other place to go.
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Paragraphs?
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Originally posted by Stang
Paragraphs?
It's a LONG, LOST, Art, you ol' bastard you! :rofl
Karaya
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changed it to Paragraph.
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;)
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3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
There may be quite a few of you beating the same dead horse at the same time, but it's still not going to get up and run.
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6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
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Originally posted by Stang
6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
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3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
The other DA threads were all about people bein dummies and vulchin and cryin and stuff.This thread is about how dead it is in the DA.
Just remember everybody:Vulching is fun when it's not happening too you!!!
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No, this thread is yet another asking for a return to the DA of old. This individual has been slightly more discrete than the others, but the point remains the same.
i really hope they will find another way besides KS
And, since we're busy flaming others in the connection threads, while we simultaneously remark on the degradation of our own connection, Autopilot-in-shades, I'll take this moment to point out that this is Sonic's first month as a subscriber.
**** freeloaders, **** shades accounts on the bbs.
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Btw, I really cant understand ppl who dont even have time to t/o from different fields and/or switch channel. Is that such a big problem? :huh
What about the free H2H mode? Great for duels and small engagements.
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Originally posted by sonic23
I was in the DA when KillShooter was turned on and hitech said this is a test. I thought nothing of it and went to the MA. Eventually i asked a trainer about it and he said it was staying on. He told me it was to stop vulching and then told me the way to still duel that i already knew but would take to long. I would go to the DA for quick fights when the MA started to bore me. I subscribed mostly because of the DA it is what made the game unique at first.
So since KS has been turned on i've asked my squad members if they wanted to go to the DA for a fight and everyone i asked told me no cause it takes to long and to switch countries, and fly from base to base, and dont foget changing to channel 201 or something like that. so i go in the DA about 5 people there, next thing I knew ... BAM I get vulched on the runway by a con. Then I ask if anyone wants to duel i get no answer i see all the other people chasing the con trying to get a kill. and i thought to myself this is nothing but the Backups Backup MA or a mini MA.
Friday nights there use to be about 25-35 people in the DA but now there are 0-5 and everytime i check those people in their are obviously new cause they are shooting at each other while on the same country. KS was not the solution all it did is ruin it for everybody to stop those 10% vulchers. and if it got to bad i would just move to another base with a lot of other friends until it settled down. Also squad practicing is now harder and takes longer.
there were plenty of other solutions like as people have said with the mods or put a trainer in there or volunteer trainers or the best idea I have heard to leave KS on until both players agreed to have it be tuned off for those who ask to engage with you. i really hope they will find another way besides KS cause i dont know how much longer i can play in the MA only without getting bored. Im not saying the MA isnt fun just that there is really not much else to do.
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ack-ack
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And, since we're busy flaming others in the connection threads, while we simultaneously remark on the degradation of our own connection, Autopilot-in-shades, I'll take this moment to point out that this is Sonic's first month as a subscriber.
Do you not get it?They are not all shades accounts.This is not my other account so i can fool people into thinking i am someone else,this is a different account because i typed something else that Skuzzy didn't like and he banned that ID.If this account gets banned then after the standard waiting period of a week goes by i will get another one,just ask batfink he knows all about it as well.
Funny how you guys talk about Shades Accounts like your all private detectives,along with all of you already being AeroNautical Engineer's.
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I no longer see any point of the DA what so ever...
The DA WAS a great training arena for pilots who wanted to polish their 1v1 dogfighting skills, something that is extreamly important to have in the MA, AvA and scenarios.
For this purpous the DA is totally useless. When a pilot goes into the DA he wants one thing, duels and quick access to duels. In the DA the pilot doesnt want to fly for 10-15 min between the duels because that significantly lowers the number of duels per hour. The number of duels per time unit is what counts when practicing.
Please change it back to the way it was so it gets usefull for dogfigthing practice again.
Tex
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I take evrything back. I wen there last night with Airvent or what ever his name is now. Great fights, but most importantly, peace and quiet.
HT, please leave as is. Only problem is that you have to pre arange with someone to meet you there, but that is not a big deal.
The flight times between duels (after the first are less than 30 secs)
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The problem.
Isn't that KS is on in the dualing arena, it is what the dualing arena was used for, i.e. free for all 1 sided quick kills. This has been a continuing problem for quite some time.
It used to be tried in the training arena. We had trainers there quite often, and they had eject privs. Guess what people abused the training arena as a result had to lower lethality so people would not use the training arena for somthing it was not designed for.
DA: It was designed for prearanged 1v1 fights. Once again a few people who wanted to just quick furball from 1 field moved from the training arena to the DA. Quite frankly there never have been a lot of people this method of game play. Once again they use the arena for somthing it isn't designed for. So as this style of play was used, suddenly a few people are complaining that some one else is disrupting there style of play, but there has never been anything in the design of AH for how they wish to play.
As for the excuses I hear about how that style of play is great "Training" I say BS. If it was just learning, the training arena is much better suited, After a quick 1v1 from heads on, It could be repeated with out even taking off again. What is realy being asked for is a start in air continious action shoot anyone type fight. And then a few people tried chaning the basic rules to have to "Check Six" someone before they could engage. So now Im asked to enforce a rule that HTC has never said was a rule.
And there quite frankly is no way that style of play can work under the honor system. All it takes is one person not adhearing to it, and every thing breaks down.
2nd there is no way HTC can police the DA. The best we could do is add 2 more fields to the terrain that are 1 or 2 miles apart, with no ack or other objects other than a hangar or tower. Vulching could still be an issue, but at least you could now who can and cant vulch you.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
The best we could do is add 2 more fields to the terrain that are 1 or 2 miles apart, with no ack or other objects other than a hangar or tower. Vulching could still be an issue, but at least you could now who can and cant vulch you.
That would be great.
Also, some 'islands' have same country fields and cannot be used. If that's changed all is OK
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Originally posted by hitech
And then a few people tried chaning the basic rules to have to "Check Six" someone before they could engage. So now Im asked to enforce a rule that HTC has never said was a rule.
Well, true, but those few were the only ones there. What you were being asked to enforce was respect. We did not mind changing fields, but they would follow. Plenty of fields to furball if they wanted to, but it was not as mach fun as it was messing with some one elses fun.
In any case, it is fixed now. Thank you
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Originally posted by hitech
As for the excuses I hear about how that style of play is great "Training" I say BS. If it was just learning, the training arena is much better suited, After a quick 1v1 from heads on, It could be repeated with out even taking off again. What is realy being asked for is a start in air continious action shoot anyone type fight.
HiTech
What is really being asked for is flexibility in the format you provide us with, so we can tailor it to our own varying uses. What you are seeing is frustration at the fact that this change has hampered or cut off how individuals have used it. You cant have an inpromtue squad KoTH. No, that definately wasnt what the DA was intended for, but it was the only place where the arena setting were ready made. You cant do round robin dueling where the guy circling takes on the winner, when the winner calls ready....because the third guy would have to sit in the tower to wait and see which country the "winner" is from.
As far a 1v1 "training", too much is assumed. Many people only go to the DA with a friend to work on specific thing, and set their own ROE. Leathality is a varible option in the DA where it is not in the TA. Many times I have ran guns cold saying "Ok. You're dead. Here is what you are doing wrong" over and over till I am out of fuel. While at the same time giving the "trainie" the experience of having full leathality avalible, and learning what shots are, and are not worth losing position to try to make. Sure, that can still be done I guess. Its just a pain in the prettythang now because of some boneheads who have never interfered with my DA experience before (Which by the way is because I sought out a private corner with my dueling partner(s).) are interfering with my use of it now.
By the way, as Ive been saying since last June if we had a "duel mode" similar to what was in that other game, then I could happily continue my uses of the DA, without regard to what the rest of you socially challenged idiots want to use it for.
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I really miss the DA as a place to go for some relief and comraderie. It is not the same, no matter what people try to say, and it's damn well no fun anymore.
I am very disappointed that HiTech doesn't think there are a lot of people who don't like the new situation. I hear alot of talk about the DA every day, and I'm even getting personal email about petitions and stuff, etc. Which, others say won't work cause HiTech doesn't listen to petitions. There's a condemnation if I ever heard one.
I just don't understand why HiTech doesn't realize the DA was a very important part of the AH experience for a fairly large number of players. I hear alot of talk about letting people play in the MA the way they want (furballers, tool shedders, GV'ers, Buff pilots, etc.), but that doesn't jibe with taking the cheap and easy way to solve the problem in the DA, and at the same time, punish a lot of good players who enjoyed the DA in a variety of ways.
So it gets used sometimes for squad training, or KOTH, or impromptu quicky duels, which is not the way HiTech envisioned it. So what? By and large, the far greater majority of players in there were enjoying it every day and putting it to good use.
So the occasional anti-social misfit screws around a little too much, and people ask HiTech to help out (yea, I know, everyone who doesn't care thinks they WHINED about it. What a nice community this is.) So they dial the DA back and essentially spank everyone. Not a very customer service/satisfaction oriented approach.
I really enjoy the game most of the time, in spite of its many flaws, and the DA was a place to go to withdraw for a while from the MA, when things got too frustrating or boring. I guess what this really points up is, I like the game, but I am beginning to seriously dislike the company that owns AH and its policies.
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Well don't let the door hit you in the arnold on the way out! Jeez !!! give it up already !
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Originally posted by hitech
The best we could do is add 2 more fields to the terrain that are 1 or 2 miles apart, with no ack or other objects other than a hangar or tower.
That would be perfect..
I wount dispute what the DA was intended for.. though I do know that alot of people did use it for quick rince and repeat duels from the same field with ACM training as intent...
I dont see any problem with having that co-existing with what you intended the DA for if you locate it on a separate corner of the map...
Hope it gets done.
Thanks
Tex
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Lets get over what the DA was intended for. HT is not using it. We are. We are paing, he is collecting. That makes us 'customers' (look it up in the dictionary). The fact remains that a few people on a two week account (and some regulars) are/were being allowed to have fun at the expence of others. Was that what the DA was also intended for?
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Well don't let the door hit you in the arnold on the way out! Jeez !!! give it up already !
Regardless of the totalitarian state you reside in Fugitive, I have the right to my opinion and to voice it here in the forum, especially as I've PAID for that right. And no matter how much it bothers you (or how long your trolling tackle is), my purpose in ever posting about any problems, flaws or changes to the status quo is ostensibly to improve the "game" and/or "experience" for as many people as possible, admittedly including myself. I don't think I'm being especially selfish in wanting all the value I HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THE LAST 10 MONTHS to reasonably continue. Especially, as I'm still paying the same amount. Nor am I unreasonable in not understanding why HiTech prefers to limit and punish everyone in wake of the violation of a very few. Especially, when there are good alternatives that might significantly mitigate (if not necessarily eliminate) the problem, but which they won't even try, though the majority of respectable DA users have asked them to.
What it appears like, is rather than take the responsible position of working on the problem with the community, HiTech just took the easiest way out to theoretically get everyone off their back. The result of that and their subsiquent attitude and inaction as been to create a lot of ill will. From experience, I know no business venture can long ignore any significant ill will that they generate if they wish to remain successful. It just piles up bit by bit, until the camel's straw is eventually reached.
On the other hand, admittedly, not everyone even uses the DA, but a fairly large number do, and for many of them it was an integral part of AH2. Just like the KOTH tourneys, and CT, and H2H, etc. are for others. Effectively cripple one of those scenarios for any reason and see who starts "whining". Is the way this issue is being address a precursor for when another AH feature has 'problems'? Maybe something you consider important enough to complain about?
The DA is where I've meet most of my friends from both the opposing countries, which I carry over to the MA when I say "Hi" to them there. It was a good place for many squad exercises (the TA less so as we've tested it recently). A good place to practice without excessive time-wasting travel or involved setup of 'duels'. It was efficient, informative, fun and yes, generally very friendly. It's none of those things now. And the numbers of people who are now NOT using it, proves the point.
Getting back to the fact that you disparage someone else's concerns and enjoyment of the game, just reflects what a piss poor person you are, an embarrassment to any 'forum' structure. You would have been far more eloquent and respected to have just kept your mouth shut.
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Isn't it clear that there are alot of people who are concerned about the DA and what has happened to it? Just look at the number of posts to Sloehand's original note.
I echo everything Sloehand says and then some. I too am a long term paying customer of Hitechcreations. com. I enjoyed the DA and miss being able to use it now. There is no one there anymore except those new folks who have no idea what they are doing. No one with experience is going there anymore. Those of us who previously were there alot, hate it. If you try to come from another field, so KILL SHOOTER is not off, they just all gang up on you. If you arrange to duel with someone, and another person has the same plane, you can't tell who is who. The solution continues to be an unmitigated disaster.
It is true that the number of people who fly in the DA is much smaller than the MA, but the extent of the ill will being created by this absurd solution to a rather trivial problem is far larger than might be expected from the number of people wanting things changed.
When new people come to AH, they might try the TA for a while, but when they wander to the DA to check their skills, won't they wonder why there is no one there? If they are curious, they will go to the forums and read and read and read. The number of posts to this very item will attract their attention. And what will their impression be? I believe it is clear that they will be turned off. If it is the intention of HTC to chase off potential customers and lose long standing fans, they are on the best way to doing just that.
It is also interesting that there is so little response from HTC on this issue. One could and should expect more.
Silence is not golden here.
Wittmann
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10 months huh WOW! my time is in YEARS here, and Years at that other game that EA killed and we don't mention here.
The problem is NOT that you voice your complaint, everyone has that right, and boards were made for them. The problem is that even AFTER getting an answer from the the "owners and designers" of the game you STILL continue to make all the same statements over and over and over again! You sound like a 12 year old who can't get his way !!
HTC made his decision, and weather you believe it right or wrong its his company. And if you believe that the dissatifaction with the decision made on the DA will slowly, but surely destroy this company you have a very small view of the popularity of this game. You should have been around when HTC put in the "Eny Value" to try and even out the side imblalance between countries. They quit in droves !!! I don't think their sticks had time to cool off and they were back.
The point is, you guys made your play, layed out your case and a decision was made. Right or wrong, thats the way it is. Live with it, or move along.
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Hello Mr Sloehand and Mr Wittmann,
I was thinking of what I might add to this post. Here is my .02:
Thank you both, along with others whom I apologize that my memory cannot bring up the names, for all the time you have spent in the old DA with me.
We first met there, and your training was fun!
to you guys that have helped others in the ole DA!
:aok
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
10 months huh WOW! my time is in YEARS here, and Years at that other game that EA killed and we don't mention here.
The problem is NOT that you voice your complaint, everyone has that right, and boards were made for them. The problem is that even AFTER getting an answer from the the "owners and designers" of the game you STILL continue to make all the same statements over and over and over again! You sound like a 12 year old who can't get his way !!
HTC made his decision, and weather you believe it right or wrong its his company. And if you believe that the dissatifaction with the decision made on the DA will slowly, but surely destroy this company you have a very small view of the popularity of this game. You should have been around when HTC put in the "Eny Value" to try and even out the side imblalance between countries. They quit in droves !!! I don't think their sticks had time to cool off and they were back.
The point is, you guys made your play, layed out your case and a decision was made. Right or wrong, thats the way it is. Live with it, or move along.
:rofl Nop, the problem is people like you. If you don't like what you read, then leave the thread or STFU.
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Originally posted by dedalos
:rofl Nop, the problem is people like you. If you don't like what you read, then leave the thread or STFU.
Is it OK if I just hang out up here in the cheaps seats? I brought my own popcorn. :D
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
The problem is NOT that you voice your complaint, everyone has that right, and boards were made for them. The problem is that even AFTER getting an answer from the the "owners and designers" of the game you STILL continue to make all the same statements over and over and over again! You sound like a 12 year old who can't get his way !!
HTC made his decision, and weather you believe it right or wrong its his company. And if you believe that the dissatifaction with the decision made on the DA will slowly, but surely destroy this company you have a very small view of the popularity of this game. You should have been around when HTC put in the "Eny Value" to try and even out the side imblalance between countries. They quit in droves !!! I don't think their sticks had time to cool off and they were back.
I do not belive I could have stated this any better.
I'll only add one more piece. If a person continualy restate their view with out any change ,even after a topic has died, that posting will cause me to start ignoring that persons requests and posts.
2nd:SloeHand.
The cold hard fact.
You do not pay for the right to post here. Nor do you pay for the right to have the game designed to your desire. You pay for access to the content as is, and that content can be designed any way I wish. And you are free to either choose to pay for that that content or not.
Any thing other than that is simply both our desires to make our products more fun.
HiTech
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Well said Hitech. We all pay rent for the existing content. We are not the owners. You have a great product Hitech.
Uber.:aok
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I was in the DA last nite and it looked like an Uber H2H room with 1 knight and 6 bish flying to take him on.
Funny how you shut down the vulch scenario and everyone cry's about it.
It;s hard too find someone who knows what a cold merge is and actually practices it at the same time.
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Originally posted by hitech
The cold hard fact.
Opposing fields A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, A11, A12, A13, A14 and V9, V10 are all Knight fields.
Opposing A17 and A18 are both Rook.
Vehicle island fields V37, V38, V39 and V40 are all Bish.
Furball Island fields A41 and A42 are Bish.
With killshooter on, those fields are unusable. Can somebody take five minutes time and switch some of those fields to different country?
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Vehicle island fields V37, V38, V39 and V40 are all Bish.
Actually about a year and 1/2 ago we had a event called Tank Klubb in the DA and that vehicle area posed a problem for the tank battles because we saw each others icons.so i called skuzzy and he turned on the tanks at 42,41 area so we could spawn out and fight was alot of fun and involved no kill shooter.
When i started playing back in 2000 the DA was where you settled your differences or you squad trained.We would all tune too one of the upper channels (211) and be able to talk between countries while we fought each other,it was a fun training experience and i learned alot from it,all happened without worrying about the kill shooter.
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Originally posted by hitech
I do not belive I could have stated this any better.
I'll only add one more piece. If a person continualy restate their view with out any change ,even after a topic has died, that posting will cause me to start ignoring that persons requests and posts.
2nd:SloeHand.
The cold hard fact.
You do not pay for the right to post here. Nor do you pay for the right to have the game designed to your desire. You pay for access to the content as is, and that content can be designed any way I wish. And you are free to either choose to pay for that that content or not.
Any thing other than that is simply both our desires to make our products more fun.
HiTech
HiTech-
I re-read your next-to-last post, in which you state your assumptions of what goes on in the DA, and by my experience they are largely inaccurate. In both the nature of some of the actions and the degree of occurance that you attribute to them.
I can only assume you are correct that you intended the DA to be used only for pre-arranged 1v1 dueling. But I also know you later added fields for tank v tank action, and there are areas specifically stated for furballing and bombers. In other words, the DA is multifunctional, and does seem to require some level of an honor system to function cooperatively (i.e. not going to another area and interfering in some way with the activity going on there).
That players developed on their own, a pretty decent system for quick invitation 1v1 duels, only enhances the DA's functionality. It's true, due to the nature of the activity and its popularity, it is also the most easily disrupted by 'bad apples'. But the far greater majority (I'd say 98%) of non-two week wonders (i.e. paying customers) do follow the 'accepted' rules there. It is generally the newbs who cause the most problems, not veterans.
As for it not being a good training ground. How many testimoies do you want to refute that? They are easy to get because you are simply wrong. I and many others have learned more ACM there than in the TA. And I learned more about the game itself there, and various tips/tricks, cause that's where veterans of all countries hung out when not in the MA, and they would often take the time to answer questions. Most of the time, the TA is full of newbs, one or two trainiers (maybe), and a veteran or two. And while it's great place for getting newbs started and initially up to speed, it's the DA, which might often have 15 or 20 experience pilots at time, that was the best place for the advanced course.
As for your last post. I thoroughly agree with the fact that its your game and your design. You can change or not change it as you want, and we all have the option to vote our disapproval with our feet. And I'm not out to personally aggravate anyone. But, I truly think I, and others, have a legitimate concern, even after you've stated your new position on the DA (I'd originally heard killshooter was going to be temporary).
And yes, I'm trying to influence you into a certain action, of returning the DA to the more versatile feature it was before you turned killshooter on. And I certainly want it changed for my own sake, but it is not just a personal whim, nor am I anywhere alone in wanting it. It is not a selfish request to change the game just to suit me or for my own benefit.
In any event, it's hard to find the 'right way' (and I'm certainly failing at it), because I don't know what way that is. I simply must not be able understand your position or attitude when it comes to your customers. It seems many of us don't.
In the end, I'm not saying you have to accede to every demand, and certainly not to any single individual's personal whim or desire. But I believe a respectable number of people have been upset by this issue, especially as we can't understand why you would take such a position permanently. We may be stupid or ignorant somehow, but we don't think there was a really, devastatingly major effort required on your part to help alleviate the original problem. And we tried to tell you that your solution felt like you didn't want to even be bothered, wanted to get past it quickly any way you could, and ended up punishing us all. I don't think you've ever adequately addressed that, and probably won't at this point.
Our initial assumption when the problem in the DA came to a head was, you would help us in some way with the problem, not make it worse. We mistakenly thought you would help and still allow the greater majority to enjoy the DA as it was. We were so wrong. You've made a change that has disappointed many people, in what "appears" to be a most cavalier way, whether that was your intention or not. IUnfortunately, that was the impression that came across to me and others, and I guess it just added a bit of outrage to those who were upset in the first place.
So, it's your game, your business, and we have to play it the way you want us to. And that's the way it should be, up to a point. The game is damn successful, or so I'm told. It's certainly a great game and is very adicting. I would simply caution that you should never rely on only that to sustain you. Taken too far, it can become a powerful incentive to ignore any or all of us anytime you wish. Though I hope I'm wrong, I get the sense that that's the relationship you want us to have. Be careful you don't grow calluses.
Oh, and by the way. I think it would be hard for you to ignore me any more than you already have. :)
But game over. Point, set, and match. You win.
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Excelent post Slowhand
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Nicely put Sloe :aok
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Hoah, Sloehand. That was one of the most intelligent, well thought out posts I've seen on this site. Good job.
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So what about having a DA that operates somewhat like this? >>>>Click Here<<<< (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=173317)
The only killing going on would be between players that agree to it.
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Good post Sloe
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I myself do not understand what everyone is complaining about regarding the DA now.......
I use to fly Sour's dueling ladder, and when we had a match both would show up, pick 2 bases tune to a channel, privately if we wanted, pick our planes, our alt, etc.....then duel/fight
just a few nights ago, Me & dedalos went to the DA, he upped at 1 field, I at another, we tuned to each other, and we fought it out, he whipped me everytime ;)
and there was no difference in that than fighting in the DA the way it was before HTC company made this latest change, it played the same way, you flew until you was out of ammo, fuel or shot down, that is how me and dedalos played the other night.......
only thing is you can not fight friendlies, so what is so bad about that?
sloehand, you made some interesting comments and good post/reply
sorry you did not get what you thought you should have out of the Training Arena & trainers.....
am happy to read you was taught the advanced ACM, that is saying a whole lot........
wish best outcome for all...........who knows what that is though.........
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
I myself do not understand what everyone is complaining about regarding the DA now.......
and there was no difference in that than fighting in the DA the way it was before HTC company made this latest change, it played the same way, you flew until you was out of ammo, fuel or shot down, that is how me and dedalos played the other night.......
only thing is you can not fight friendlies, so what is so bad about that?
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I appreciate your comments. It's hard to describe the actual experience and enjoyment that I and others are missing with the change to the DA, but I'll try.
It goes beyond just the mechanics of the arena. It's the loss of a greater level of friendly human interaction. I suppose its actually a sense of a loss of community. It's true you can still 'arrange' a very workable duel now, but you generally need to know who you want to duel with in the first place to make the arrangement. I've never, ever found the need (nor the enjoyment) in singling out anyone in the MA to challenge them to a grudge match. It really does't appeal to me to make it a contest like that.
Previously, I could just pop into DA and expect to find some friends as well as someone (or three) that I'd never met or fought before. To see if I'd gotten any better, I could pick on Hemp, or Dedalos, or Phish (or avoid them if I didn't want my ego bruised), who would show me a turn, a loop or two, then send be back to the tool shed. No arranging, no setting up a convenient time, no flying from base to base to meet. No fuss, no muss. Impromptu quick death, ala carte.
Also, one of my big things was, I could watch duels from high up. If I didn't accept a Check 6, no one bothered me. Now I'd have to follow someone to another base for their fight and hope no one sees me, or includes me as a target. Just damned inconvenient.
A big thing for me was, I could quickly find new pilots to: (1) make friends with, (2) help with ACM tricks, (3) possibly recruit for JG-3. With the ability to freely interact, offer duels, play and practise, etc. I could easily identify those whose attitude was, "I'm liking this game. I want to get better, and I'm NOT a screw-off".
I was able to meet pilots from the other countries that I didn't know or hadn't talked to before. I often met a pilot for the first time in the DA who'd handed me my hat in the MA the night before. And it was fun to meet him/her and in a friendly way see how I would do in a simple one-on-one.
My squaddies and I used to play impromtu games in the DA, like Canyon Run of Death (an extremely strange follow-the-leader). Or, some intense training or practise excercises. These are more difficult, or in some instances, impossible to do now. At least not easily or as spontaneously.
In the old DA, we would all talk and chat about ACM, the current map, new hardware, etc. The real time 'ease' of the conversation and interaction amongst ALL the people in the DA is something that is not there anymore.
I guess, in conclusion, I can only say I've gone into the DA since the change, and tried it, and found it extremely disappointing. Few people are there anymore. I won't travel to another base to get ganged by the other side. And I don't have any personal grudges, or anyone I particularly seek out and schedule for ACM training.
What's been lost, among other things, is the spontaneity and ease of the action, and the commraderie, conversation and friendly competition that it supported.
Best I can do to explain it. It was a damn fun place. In fact, I think back to when I started with AH almost a year ago, and what I remember is different friends and when I met them... in the DA.
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Wow, what a ride this thread has become.
Sloe makes some good points... I can't agree with his approach though, I think its bad practice to assume you're smarter than the guy who wrote your game... Yes, once or twice I've felt like I've been told "take it or leave it" by HiTech, but you know, if I wrote my own game, I'd probably have the same feeling from time to time... And, I'd probably express it. I'm a programmer, I know that users have an opinion about every little thing, and I've told some of mine who is on the coding end and who is on the using end...
I agree that the KS has hurt my squad training, but we have adapted around it. I'd prefer not to have to work around it, but thats the way it is.
Before you take that as an endorsement of HT's approach I'd point out that if my squad is willing to work around it for LEGITIMATE reasons, I can guarantee that the abusers are willing to work around it for illegitimate reasons.
HT, wouldn't it be best for the community at large to simply ban the offenders rather than punish the people who have a legit use for having KS off in that arena? I really don't have a strong urge to fly with the guys that can't seem to follow the rules anyhow, I know I wouldn't miss 'em at all.
At the end of the day, HTC decides who swims in this pool... It seems to me that could end the whole debate. Pull the trigger.
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Originally posted by Kurt
HT, wouldn't it be best for the community at large to simply ban the offenders rather than punish the people who have a legit use for having KS off in that arena? I really don't have a strong urge to fly with the guys that can't seem to follow the rules anyhow, I know I wouldn't miss 'em at all.
The key word is "simple". If it was simple to "simply ban the offenders", I am sure that is what would have been done. The problem is one of resourse allocation. The situation would require that the arena have "live" moderation on a semi-constant basis. Having some available to ban people from a low usage arena on a regular basis is not simple or an affective use of resources.
Think about it, hire a group of people to moderate the DA or simply change one byte of host code. Which would you chose?
While I agree that the change wasn't for the good, it was made because HT believes this was the most effective way to handle the problem. At the same time, it should be understood that HT isn't the bad guy. This was forced on him by the wanks that were abusing the arena.
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Yeah i here you guys. I am sick of the imature little kids coming in and spoiling it for everyone else. But some of the kids arent bad at all. Look at DUGY and MN38, they are kids but they dont come in acting tuff and shooting dwn anyone in front of them. Its the people like 1badmofo and lyoko who have been doing that. Maybe hitech should take it up with them instead of punishing all of us who want to have some good fights i the dueling arena.:aok
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So since KS has been turned on i've asked my squad members if they wanted to go to the DA for a fight and everyone i asked told me no cause it takes to long and to switch countries, and fly from base to base, and dont foget changing to channel 201 or something like that.
sounds like pure laziness to me
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There were numerous DA regulars who voluntered to MOD for free....
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