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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mustaine on March 03, 2006, 01:52:50 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060303/ap_on_fe_st/nipple_pincher
going to juvie jail for a tittie twister, going to classes put on by Mediation Works, forced to write a letter of appology, being told your draft must be re-written to show your "criminal thought processes."....
what in the holy **** is wrong with society today? :huh :confused: :rolleyes:
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WTG David Thumler, I would have taken the detention too. what a load of BS, write a letter,....:rolleyes:
Liberal Alert Miller said the program is "often a very, very healing experience between the victim and youth offender."
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Had he done it to a teenage girl they might have somthing there, but jail time for a purple nurple on another guy is just PC to the extreme.
shamus
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I feel sorry for kids today having to grow up in a PC society that's gone totally bonkers. I can't tell you how many times my friends and I did the very same thing at his age, right down the street from Crater High. And now they call it criminal? :O
The only criminals here are the morons at Jackson County Community Mediation Works.
And I can say that because I grew up right where this little incident took place.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
They don't have the same social conditioning to 'right & wrong' we grew up with.. they truly think some of our concepts of 'fair' are outright hilarious.
....this is quite hilarious... :lol
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he should have twisted the social worker's as well
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The one who really needs help is the little nancy-boy, and his milquetoast parents, who actually filed a lawsuit over a purple nurple.
Correction...he doesn't need help. He needs a good ***-kicking out back behind the school.
What a pansy. Kid ought to be ashamed of himself.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Had he done it to a teenage girl they might have somthing there, but jail time for a purple nurple on another guy is just PC to the extreme.
shamus
Really... walk down the hall and do it to one of your co-workers. Let us know how that works out.
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Sandy...
Teenagers...high school...kids...friends...scr ewing around...
They aren't professionals in an uptight, artificial corporate environment...it's just kid stuff.
You can't honestly think that juvenile hall and psychotherapy is appropriate for this. Who the hell needs a 'healing process' for a blasted titty tweak?
Might as well send 'em to prison for a spit-ball. Please.
PS...I just nurpled a kid (actually 20-something) who works for me to prove a point. He asked me what the hell was I doing...then did it right back to me!! We laughed, I told him this story...and we went back to work. No cops, no lawsuits...just a couple laughs.
Caint we all just lighten up? :p
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Would have gotten a year for an atomic wedgy?
What a load of crap, we used to sneak up on each other and kick each other in the nuts, not one ever thought about going to a teacher, in fact if we had it would have turned you into an insta dork.
Sandy
My boss tried to give me a purpe urple a few weeks ago, so I went and let a nasty one rip in his cube... No biggie as long as HR is kept out of it.
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Originally posted by USHilDvl
Sandy...
Teenagers...high school...kids...friends...scr ewing around...
They aren't professionals in an uptight, artificial corporate environment...it's just kid stuff.
You can't honestly think that juvenile hall and psychotherapy is appropriate for this. Who the hell needs a 'healing process' for a blasted titty tweak?
It's all fun and games until you end up in court.. Evidently, this wasn't as friendly as you think.
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I'd be curious if there were other details not mentioned. The kid says he considered the "other kid" a friend. Was it reciprocal?
Is there a significant size diferential that tends to cause the one kid to be a bit of a bully?
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According to my health teacher purple nurples can cause male breast cancer. Couldn't find anything to prove or disprove so it's up in the air.
At any rate it would be something like "sexual harassment" or assault.
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Originally posted by nirvana
According to my health teacher purple nurples can cause male breast cancer. Couldn't find anything to prove or disprove so it's up in the air.
At any rate it would be something like "sexual harassment" or assault.
No it is a kids prank. Kids do **** like that.
Caling it sexual harrassment is retarded.
Godamn the generation of kids coming out of schools now are going to be a bunch of *******.
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Commonly heard exchange on my school playground;
"Know what causes more pain than a hurricane?"
"No. What?"
"A titty-twister!"
One of the best fights I ever saw at our school was started by that bit of tom-foolery between two friends.
Ole Ardale was a 6'3" rock-ribbed, ham-fisted, good-natured farm-boy with tapioca pudding for brains. His bud, Toby, was a somewhat smaller but tough-as-nails cowboy immigrant from Texas.
The scene was St. Patrick's Day. Ardale was getting his jollies twisting the nipples of every male on campus who wasn't wearing green. His victims rewarded his vice-like pinches with cries of "Dayum Ardale!! Sum-beach!!" and laughter.
Then he played the prank Toby. Unfortunately, his compadre was in no mood to endure the type of pain involved such hi-jinks. When Ardale twisted that sensitive part 360 degrees he responded with a round-house right that seemed to travel eight feet before rocking Ardale back on his heels.
The resulting fight was thrilling, but short, as the school's burly teachers descended on the scene. Both miscreants got their backsides burned by the principal.
That afternoon they left the school, put in a few hours of farm work until darkness fell, had a few beers together...and laughed like fools about the whole incident.
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The kid that complained must be a limp wristed sissy. Kid's friends ought to give the sissy really something to cry about and beat him senseless with pointed sticks
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Originally posted by nirvana
At any rate it would be something like "sexual harassment" or assault.
I feel for you Nirvana, it wasn't always like this. It seems like common sense was thrown out the window in the last decade.
Originally posted by Sandman
Really... walk down the hall and do it to one of your co-workers. Let us know how that works out.
I work in a professional office atmosphere and this wouldn't be a big deal where I work. Would get some laughs and then we'd all get back to work. I'm having a hard time understanding why you think this is a criminal offence.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Really... walk down the hall and do it to one of your co-workers. Let us know how that works out.
I would but my co workers are usually beating steel on an anvil and I'm the smallest one in the shop. perhaps being the owner will save me but hmmm I'll pass on that idea thanks.
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pink-belly, purple nurples, atomic wedgies are all acceptable funny youthful pranks...too bad this appears to have changed:confused:
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next wet willies, noogies, and indian burns will be outlawed before you know it
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
pink-belly, purple nurples, atomic wedgies are all acceptable funny youthful pranks...too bad this appears to have changed:confused:
I can think of two reasons why.
(http://geckoandee.com/images/columbine.JPG)
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Oh Puh-lease!
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I think just the strap for the bully would have been suficient, cant to that so its therapy time I guess.
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Cripes, I read the thread before the article. I thought the perpatrator was a kid, not a 16 year old.
Perhaps before blaming the victim, some more context would help. Sure the ******* says he was friends with the victim but that's probably bull****. For all we know the victim is some kid that Thumler has been terrorising for years.
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geeze sandy... you aren't serious? The reason they act like little savages is because the teachers can't whack em upside of the head.... that is your liberal friends doing...
The reason kids come to school with guns and shoot people is because your liberal friends made sure that they were facing a bunch of unarmed sheep... again... more of your meddling into human nature that backfires.
If I did that to one of my coworkers the guy would more than likely kick the crap out of me (unless he was one of the smaller guys).
I avoid places that the PC crowd controls... they are allways a zoo... I try not to work with minorities that consider themselves minorities or.... women. I will probly retire before I have to.
I will move somewhere where sandies friends are laughed at and either wait till the pendulum swings back to sanity or die in peace away from all those a holes.
lazs
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When I was a senior I nailed a guy in the back of the head with an apple down the hallway.
I got two hours detention.I wonder how much prison time that'd be worth today.
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Originally posted by Sox62
When I was a senior I nailed a guy in the back of the head with an apple down the hallway.
:lol
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Originally posted by Sox62
When I was a senior I nailed a guy in the back of the head with an apple down the hallway.
I got two hours detention.I wonder how much prison time that'd be worth today.
That depends on what model apple it was. If it was an old appleIIc you'd likely be charged with a misdemeanor then offered a football scholarship.......
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Try reading it again. The poor misguided neanderthal got detention for disobeying the court.
Think what you will, but this was obviously not just juvenile fun and games. If so, I doubt the parents would have went to the police. What has this world come to? My gawd... parents taking steps to protect their own children from bullies. Holy ****.
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Originally posted by Sox62
When I was a senior I nailed a guy in the back of the head with an apple down the hallway.
I got two hours detention.I wonder how much prison time that'd be worth today.
About now you'd be elgibile for parole.
Yet still a threat to grocery produce aisles. :D
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Originally posted by Sox62
When I was a senior I nailed a guy in the back of the head with an apple down the hallway.
I got two hours detention.I wonder how much prison time that'd be worth today.
Well, I hate to be a party pooper, but what if he'd turned his head 90 degrees just after you released the throw, and the apple hit him in the temple?
Do you want to know how much prison time you might have gotten then or now if serious injury or death had been the result?
Don't get me wrong, I hate the current climate of PC-Uber-Alles as much as anyone, but I have never seen anything wrong with a philosophy of "your right to do as you please ends at my nose" and with lawful authority agreeing.
Take into context I grew up in Texas in the 60s as a boy named Kelly, and have NEVER taken an asskicking from anyone in my life except from my father (being 6'3" large and strong as an adult made that easy after a certain point, but I was a large kid too). This isn't about repressed bad memories, its about common sense. Bullies suck, and so does behavior can be construed as such. Our community should prohibit it, including our schools.
culero
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Going back to my health teacher who was one of the toughest deans in terms of punishment for 12 years, he would tell us stories about parents defending their kids that got into fights or did something to the teacher. Purple nurples are harmless fun, my friend did it to me when we were in 8th grade, guess what WE MATURED. You call them limp wristed sissies tell them to grow the **** up.
P.S. I was just stating what they might call it here GTO, not what I think it would be. I think they should all get smacked around a couple times and if they do it again, bend em over a desk and give em a couple wallops with a wooden plank with .5" holes drilled in it. Think, kids don't care if they miss class, hell it's a Golly-geen mini vacation, give em the pain!
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More on the story.
http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2005/0807/local/stories/13local.htm
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ahh I remember the heady days in 85 on the Ellsworth AFB elementary school playground, beating each other silly during recess, and maybe getting sent home, instead of being tossed in jail longer then a serial axe murdering cannibal rapist.
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Anyone else remember when parents used to call each other and work things like this out without the help of social workers? What's with this modern-day interventionist approach to everything, anyway?
This story is beyond ridiculous. It belongs in the Onion.
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Originally posted by VOR
Anyone else remember when parents used to call each other and work things like this out without the help of social workers?
That pretty much stopped when both parents went to work. The "Mommy Network" isn't what it used to be.
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Originally posted by Sandman
That pretty much stopped when both parents went to work. The "Mommy Network" isn't what it used to be.
Now we're getting somewhere. Seems to me kids didn't go to school back then and shoot all their classmates, either.
Careful tho Sandy..this kind of "backwards thinking" might get us labeled as Neocons or even Christians or worse.
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Originally posted by culero
Well, I hate to be a party pooper, but what if he'd turned his head 90 degrees just after you released the throw, and the apple hit him in the temple?
Do you want to know how much prison time you might have gotten then or now if serious injury or death had been the result?
culero
That would have sucked.I was a 17 year old kid.I didn't throw it on a whim.
The lunch bell had wrung,and I had already grabbed my lunch,along with my trig book that had homework and papers in it.The guy in question thought it would be funny to knock it out of my hand,which he did.All of my notes,papers,etc scattered all over the place,and he scooted down the hall laughing.
I didn't consider the social ramifications,I just reached in my lunchbag,grabbed the apple and fired.
I was busted by my English teacher who was standing right there.He was also my baseball coach.He asked,"why aren't you always that accurate?"
I was just a kid that threw an apple.The other guy got apple sauce on the side of his head.No one was hurt,and I never did anything like that again.I think the principal also realized I was provoked.
So,are you suggesting that I should have been punished based on what could have happened,instead of what did?
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Well, I wrote and erased two long posts about this. I'm sure you all thank me for that.
One thing I am curious about. What the heck is a "wet willie?" Is it where someone throws a bucket of water on you or something?
And this purple nurple deal. Does that really hurt all that bad? Seems if it did, the one receiving would sock the giver in the face with a fist, or at least give an open hand shove to the face to get' em off. No thinking about it when in pain, would just happen.
Guess it happening in a public place like a deli was over the line. They may have called the cops on both of 'em, 'cause apparently with the girl present, it did constitute an ungentlemanly conduct towards her by it being done in front of her. And I have seen this before, there was a girl present, and the exclamation "tittie twister" was used.
Beginning to understand?
Les
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a wet willy is when you stick your index finger in your mouth, slobber it all up and stick it in another kid's ear. there is no better excuse for delivering a near death experience to another human, that's why the bullies do it to the smaller kids.
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Originally posted by Sandman
More on the story.
http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2005/0807/local/stories/13local.htm
Thanks! The article clears allot of things up... the whole incident is an even bigger joke than I originally thought. :D
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Ahhh, ok, glad that's all it is.:D
Les
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Originally posted by Sox62
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So,are you suggesting that I should have been punished based on what could have happened,instead of what did?
Absolutely not, I am just pointing out that there is good reason that behavior like this should be treated with serious concern. I'm seeing two extremes in opinion in this discussion, and think wisdom lies somewhere in the middle.
culero (gee, that was profound, eh? :))
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Originally posted by nirvana
According to my health teacher purple nurples can cause male breast cancer. Couldn't find anything to prove or disprove so it's up in the air.
At any rate it would be something like "sexual harassment" or assault.
You wouldn't have lasted long in school Pre-Early 90's nirvana. I mean, DODGEBALL and Musical Chairs have been banned in most schools because "it brings shame to the last person who lost". My son is 4, I'll be making up for what his schools try "preach on glorification". The state of affairs in the School Systems is pathetic, and I am NOT talking about the teachers banging students either.
Karaya
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Chapman said most cases like this don’t end up in court.
"They filter themselves out," he said. "Most kids don’t report."
Alford’s refusal to let David go to the intake hearing upped the ante and brought down "unfair, Draconian measures" upon her son, Kellington said. What should have been a discussion between first-time-offender David and a representative of the juvenile justice system became a court trial.
So basically if the Mom of the offender would of done her job and went to the meeting then maybe her son would not of been in so much trouble. Can't say they should punish him more but maybe next time she will listen to the court.
The reason kids come to school with guns and shoot people is because your liberal friends made sure that they were facing a bunch of unarmed sheep... again... more of your meddling into human nature that backfires.
So you are saying all kids in school should have weapons? Again, people talking without thinking first!!!
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To address the first point Parker, it was the lawyer's duty to see to that. If he didn't have a lawyer, that needs to be taken into consideration. Mom can't defend in court as well as a lawyer can. There could be an issue where having ro write about explaining the workings of the criminal mind, might have unconstitutional implications, not taking into consideration lack of a lawyer and unfair intimidation to basically admiting to knowing something about the criminal mind by writing about it.
Think about it.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
To address the first point Parker, it was the lawyer's duty to see to that. If he didn't have a lawyer, that needs to be taken into consideration. Mom can't defend in court as well as a lawyer can. There could be an issue where having ro write about explaining the workings of the criminal mind, might have unconstitutional implications, not taking into consideration lack of a lawyer and unfair intimidation to basically admiting to knowing something about the criminal mind by writing about it.
Think about it.
Les
It was her lawyer who said what I quoted. This was an informal hearing, not regular court. They just wanted to talk to her about the situation. The note he had to write, may of been much and I can see where this kid was coming from not wanting to write it but had the mom went to the informal hearing it may of never gotten to that point.
David’s mom, Christine Alford, said she refused to allow her son to attend an informal "intake hearing" at juvenile court after seeing a photo of a youth in handcuffs on the county’s juvenile court Web site.
"I thought that image was rather intimidating," Alford said.[
Well mom saw a picture on the counties website with some kid in cuffs and decided since it was possible for that to happen to her kid she wasn't going to take him. They gave her a chance to do it without a court date and when she refused to go, they were sent to court where the punishment was greater.
" ‘Intake hearing’ doesn’t mean ‘taking into custody,’ " said Chapman. "When we take someone into custody, we don’t make appointments. If there’s a consequence for not coming in informally, well, that’s one they chose."
Everyone keeps asking what is wrong with todays kids and the answer is right there. Parents protect there kids from not only harms way but also from paying for thier actions. This mom should of said, well you get what you get and maybe next you will think twice before doing it. Just like that video where the 5 yr old is hitting the teacher and disrupting class, they call the cops and the cops put her in cuffs. Instead of mom beating the kids butt for acting like that in school she sues the school and police for cuffing her daughter. My parents made sure that if I was at school or someone else's house then that person knew they had every right to spank me or punish me for whatever I've done. Never happened but just knowing seemed to help me stay in line.
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Originally posted by Sox62
I didn't consider the social ramifications,I just reached in my lunchbag,grabbed the apple and fired.
I was busted by my English teacher who was standing right there.He was also my baseball coach.He asked,"why aren't you always that accurate?"
I was just a kid that threw an apple.The other guy got apple sauce on the side of his head.No one was hurt,and I never did anything like that again.I think the principal also realized I was provoked.
So,are you suggesting that I should have been punished based on what could have happened,instead of what did?
Now a days, you'd have to go to counseling, spend time at several apple orchards, hug trees and release your hate of apples :lol :D
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Parker, if I thought the punishment was unconstitutional, I would defend my kid with all my might. I would file a false arrest and raise every kind of legal hell I could.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
Parker, if I thought the punishment was unconstitutional, I would defend my kid with all my might. I would file a false arrest and raise every kind of legal hell I could.
Les
So go to the meeting and protest all you want. You need to remember, the punishment was after she failed to show up. She wasn't protesting anything, she just didn't want her son to go to jail for something he did, which he wouldn't have anyways. Plain and simple.
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you probly won't get prison time these days if you are kid who is acting like a spoiled kid..
They will do an orwell on you tho and drug you to the eyeballs...
lazs
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It really does depend on what the boys did in the deli, and not on speculation of what parents should or should'nt do. I don't know anything about this where I would become involved or protest. To me, protesting is phoney, so you have a good point. However, you know more about police business than me, and I respect you for it. Thank you for being understanding and bearing with me.
You are right, not showing up is not responsible. We don't know if the boys innvolved were minorities, which would make a difference in that they do not trust the police or the court system. It's important to be fair, and I just see humiliation as wrong. My issue has more to do with the presumed condition of justice being based on the required writing of a note that could be self incriminating. Why is that necessary? The only way I could agree with such a punishment is if it was given after several other incidents and used as a last resort.
But this whole discussion is moot. We don't know the circumstances and it is speculation.
Les
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Geezus Christo!:O
We used to take the girls out to the field and stuff grass down there shirts and noone said jack watermelon about it.
This PC crap is wayyy outta hand.
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Back in 1926 in Albuquerque, NM the high school boys brought tarantulas to school in their shirt pockets to put on girls' shoulders.
Les
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Originally posted by Sandman
That pretty much stopped when both parents went to work. The "Mommy Network" isn't what it used to be.
"Both parents'... as if public school children today have two parents.
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I had the "pleasure" of a mother who also happened to teach at the school I attended. She would sometimes be working the playgrounds when I got into scraps with another boy.
I found out later on that she would always walk over to my fights just a little slower than usual. She said she wanted to make sure I "got in a few good ones" before breaking it up.
I think she was a wise woman.
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If my school was like schools are today I would've gone to juvy for sure. Even a small 4th grade kid can put a sharp pencil a pretty good ways into a bully's arm. That look on their face when they saw their own blood was priceless. "OMG I can't believe this little ****er just stabbed me"
But there's a difference between bullies and titty twisters among boys.
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Do any of you realize how you treat children as almost sub-human? You expect more from them than most adults..... it's rather rediculious..... and they don't have a choice.... If they try to not goto school.... They'll take the kid to court and threaten his/her parents with jail.
What if you were being harrassed at work and couldn't quit;If you tried to quit you or your family would goto jail.....
That's just ONE example.
Oh ya, if they don't like it .... just tell them to grow up....
Sounds like a real stable enviorment for hormonely driven and confused teens.
I know the answer!... more standardized testing! (rollseyes)
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bluekitty,
If you have a family to provide for you put up with a crapload of stuff to keep the beans on the table and a roof over their head. If you think school is tough you have a real treat awaiting you when you get out of school and into the workplace.
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nice assumptions you make.
School is often more work than work.... I've done both, more than I want of ethier.
Point is they don't even get a choice... they can't switch schools ...many are stuck in a bad situation.
Actually, I'm a college educated high school dropout. Funny how that works... funny how private higher education isn't so screwed up..... amazeing what happens with compitition.
In otherwords... school vouchers/private schools are the way to go.
But the basic problem remains, and as long as the kid doesn't have a choice... how can you blame him and his family for fighting back when society puts them in a legal box to begin with. In otherwords the system is broke... and all the standardized testing/'no child left behind', BS won't fix a thing...
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Blukitty, are you debating scholastic or social education? Dropping out of high school was a mistake, and not just because I can't tell what you're trying to say.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
"Both parents'... as if public school children today have two parents.
Mine do. ;)