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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BTW on March 03, 2006, 10:49:38 PM
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I know most people who see New Orleans on the national news think of it as some third world country. But you have to know how the media works - everything has a designed effect. In reality, if you've ever been to New Orleans, you'd know the city is built on contradictions, contrast and irony. You have multi-million dollar homes in the garden district just 3 blocks from housing projects. If you look at the news, all you'd ever see is the housing projects and the conditioned government dependent residents complaining how the government has failed them.
In reality, the west bank of New Orleans ( a working class middle income area) is thriving. It is different because its become so crowded. Its part of the 20 percent of New Orleans that didn't flood and I would guess its population has grown 3 fold. You never know how long its going to take to do a simple task or how much something is going to cost. Value shopping is a thing of the past as is one trip for everything.
There are good things happening. #1 - the crime rate has plummeted since most of the government dependent crowd has left. Sorry if that lifts the dresses of liberals but its a fact. Its a lot more work to live here - there's always something to do. You work 8 or9 hours and come home to work another 4 or 5. The people working tend to be cooperative and more patient. My neighborhood has never been closer. A few weeks ago I rebuilt my garage but was having fits trying to get rid of the debris. Most of it was wood so I got this brainstorm- buy a fire pit and cut the wood into 2 foot pieces. All of a sudden, it aint debris - its fire wood ! A few of my neighbors snickered at first, but when that pile began shrinking I started noticing more fire pits going at night. There were 6 is consecutive yards going tonight. We may grow some new appendages because of the pcbs but what the heck :)
I was 6 when Betsy hit New Orleans in 1965. I grew up in that reconstruction and it shaped my life. That reconstruction was a vibrant and productive era in New Orleans. The reconstruction from Katrina will be that and more. The media thrives on telling everyone how bad FEMA screwed up. The fact is they were a God send and anyone with the wish to rebuild are rebuilding. Yea, its work but it would've been almost impossible to do without the immediate help of FEMA and insurance funds. Some people are to gripe that any amount isn't enough. Some people just are not capable of building anything - only taking.
We are about to enter a mayoral election in New Orleans. I really don't care who wins because one fact remains- you can't live in New Orleans unless you want and are able to work. Its that simple, it requires much more work to do anything here after Katrina. And I think that's a good thing- call me crazy.
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oddly enough Houston's crime has skyrocketed.
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great post BTW. sorry to hear about the thugs moving to houston Dnil. are any of them being shot while in the commission? that puts things into a different perspective for the parasites and amazingly they learn those types of lessons quickly.
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every place that took "refugees" has had their crime skyrocket.
Big cities haven't changed much over the years.... centuries ago, the only way to get rid of the rats in say, london... was to burn the place down.
Floods seem to work today.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dnil
oddly enough Houston's crime has skyrocketed.
well isn't it obvious why
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
well isn't it obvious why
More people = more crime?
Or because its Bush's fault...:rofl
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Does Houston have a lot of KFC,POPEYE'S,Church's chicken restuarants that could be why?
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Freakin PC doublespeak. My gramps used ta have a saying: "Call a spade a spade, sonny-boy. Anything else confuses your listener and annoys the spade."
When did we get so damn hung up on callin a gay guy 'gay', a mexican a 'mexican' and a black gang banger a 'black gang banger'?
So, since the gang bangers floated outta NO and were marooned in Dallas, Dallas' crime rate jumped?
Whotta surprise. Is Dallas the new 'chocolate city'?
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can we say spade in here?
lazs
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
Does Houston have a lot of KFC,POPEYE'S,Church's chicken restuarants that could be why?
wow:O
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
Does Houston have a lot of KFC,POPEYE'S,Church's chicken restuarants that could be why?
:rofl :rofl Dont forget corner liqour stores with a built in pawn shop
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I wonder if Raider knows why his post is racist while Hangtime's is not?
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it doesn't seem racist to me drive through south dallas or oakcliff thats where they hang out:rolleyes:
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The answer is "no" then.
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can we say "chocolate city" in here?
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Can we say 'white trash' in here?
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Originally posted by lazs2
can we say spade in here?
lazs
Spade:
(http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/images/products/955/images/spade.jpg)
Shovel:
(http://www.blackpineanimalpark.com/images/shovel.jpg)
;)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I wonder if Raider knows why his post is racist while Hangtime's is not?
So you agree that Hangtime if only being factual when he says that black gangbangers who were flooded out of NO are now causing crime in other cities?
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I didn't say that. I just re-phrased a PC posts with language a PC dissenter could wrap his brain around. "refugee" (in quotes) with the accompanying phrseology implied in my mind 'black gang banger'. Then I commented that it's no big surprise.
Just callin a spade a spade.
Does that make it 'racist'?
frankly, my dear; I just don't give a damn.
;)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I wonder if Raider knows why his post is racist while Hangtime's is not?
Good call :)
culero
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
it doesn't seem racist to me drive through south dallas or oakcliff thats where they hang out:rolleyes:
Who's they?
I used to work in S. Dallas and have never had one problem with "them" people.
The racist over tones in some of these post is disturbing at best and just plain ignorant at its worst.
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Originally posted by BTW
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I was 6 when Betsy hit New Orleans in 1965. I grew up in that reconstruction and it shaped my life. That reconstruction was a vibrant and productive era in New Orleans. The reconstruction from Katrina will be that and more.
Word.
We lived in New Orleans from 1964 to 1967 then moved back to Texas, out by where I-10 crosses Veterans (they were just building I-10 then). I was 12 in 65, and we rode the storm out. The period of calm as the eye passed over was amazing :)
I've never doubted that the city will survive.
BTW what are you doing this coming Friday afternoon? We're driving through OTW to Florida (vacation trip) and are gonna stop down in the Carrolton/Claiborne area of town for a meal with a friend, wanna get in on that?
culero
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so black folk like chicken...whats racist about that? white folk eat the bird too ya know.
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ya but who eats iguanas?
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its been a couple of months since the mayor said they were gonna start reconstruction so where are the bulldozers,cranes,etc.
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
its been a couple of months since the mayor said they were gonna start reconstruction so where are the bulldozers,cranes,etc.
in the KFC parking lot waiting for lunch
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So you agree that Hangtime if only being factual when he says that black gangbangers who were flooded out of NO are now causing crime in other cities?
Nice try at rephrasing the point, but not at all.
Hangtime specified a behavior (gangbanging) that happened to be based within a particular group (blacks).
Raider only mentioned fried chicken as a slap against ALL black people regardless of their activities.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I wonder if Raider knows why his post is racist while Hangtime's is not?
Oh, is raider guilty of racism, or is he just guilty of stereotyping?
Or, is he just indifferant to those who would rather obscure the reality than be an honest person?
It would take greater minds many years to understand the failings of all people that have lead to the large percentage of African Americans who choose welfare over work, prefer government handouts over self-suffieciency, would shoot you just as soon as look at you, and commit crime as if it was a fun hobby.
I know, as I am sure all of us do that not all African Americans dont fit that description, that many come from honest hard working families who raise their children to study, work and be good people. But, I believe today that statistics tell us that the majority of black children are borne to single mothers, and the predominantly black schools are dangerous places where learning and preparing for the future isnt a priority.
Sadly, back where I grew up, the state is busing inner city black kids now into the better "white" high schools, and as a result crime, drugs and lower average grades is the result. Gangs now exist and violence is on the upsurge. I am sorry, but you cant blame that on "whitey".
I am sure crime is rising where the NO refugees have gone, and I would be willing to wager the large majority of hotel squatting refugees never looked for work and tried to get out on their own.
Reality is ugly sometimes, but it is what it is.
dago
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^^
To the point.
And no PC BS attached.
Ain't THAT refreshing!
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Runs away to find a safe thread about religion or abortion.......:noid
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I don't mean this to be indifferent or mean or anything like that, but heres how I look at it.
IF YOU CHOSE TO LIVE BELOW SEA LEVEL, EXPECT A FLOOD. (duh)
New Oeleans should stop complaining about "wheres the govt" and either start rebuilding and wait for the next storm to rain on them, or move to higher ground.
And what happened to all the money that was sent there to build up those old levys anyway? Did sombody line their pockets like the local govt does here, and not care about their citizens?
The people in New Orleans need to get up and do one of two things, REBUILD or RELOCATE.
If you sit back and wait for the govt to come in and do it, don't hold your breath.
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Originally posted by dmf
I don't mean this to be indifferent or mean or anything like that, but heres how I look at it.
IF YOU CHOSE TO LIVE BELOW SEA LEVEL, EXPECT A FLOOD. (duh)
LOL give that man a gold star :rofl
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Originally posted by dmf
IF YOU CHOSE TO LIVE BELOW SEA LEVEL, EXPECT A FLOOD. (duh)
oh and dont come whining for me to give you money to rebuild when you do get flooded. I wouldnt come whining to you to rebuild my house, if a big douglas fir squooshed it.
ever here those Stormaid.com commercials with the crying kids? annoying.
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The New Orleans citizens probaly spent most of there reconstruction money on Mardi Gras so now there gonna say FEMA/U.S. Goverment didn't give them enough money
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IF YOU CHOSE TO LIVE BELOW SEA LEVEL, EXPECT A FLOOD.
To the people of Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas-- If you home or town is ever destroyed by a tornado then duff **** because you live in tornado valley. California please don't ask for any help what so ever next time the earthquakes hit, ok? Thanks!!! Florida, that's right you too as you get hit with more hurricanes than any other state, pay for it yourself!!!
By the way, black people in general, tuff that we kept you repressed all the way into the 70's if not to today. The law on the books say we are equal so that means we are equal. There is no such thing as racism anymore so just deal with it you dang sissies!!!
Man I'm so glad the compassionate days of America are gone. They were such an embarrassment to our country!!!
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
LOL give that man a gold star :rofl
You mean woman, one thats smart enough not to live in a fish bowl, and somhow manages to have enough insurance on my personal belongings, that if and when a hurricane, flood, tornado, earthquake, or other natural disaster comes through here I can replace everything, without the need, help or advice from the govt.
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it's interesting that the insurance industry is the most government regulated service industry on record.
And it's also interesting that the biggest on-going gripe on the gulf coast is the insurance companies are not paying up.
The insurance companies make drug dealers and mafiosos look honest by comparison.
Good luck, DMF. Methinks you bought a pig in a poke.
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so saying that all black gangbangers are bad people is not sterotyping or racist?
sounds fair to me... and even if it's not... your life would work out fine with such sterotyping and racism...
lazs
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There is a HUGE overlooked difference between being racist, and being stereotypist.
After living in South L.A., I am still NOT racist, but I have a STRONG HATRED for blacks wearing sport jerseys/showing their underwares, and tatooed vatos with a shave head, whitelong teeshirt.
Bottomline: if you want respect, don't fit the image of a scumbag.
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soooo... I am not a racist? or at least.... no more than frenchy?
lazs
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Great post BTW.
I think culero just offered to help you build a fence or something.
eskimo
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Originally posted by parker00
To the people of Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas-- If you home or town is ever destroyed by a tornado then duff **** because you live in tornado valley. California please don't ask for any help what so ever next time the earthquakes hit, ok? Thanks!!! Florida, that's right you too as you get hit with more hurricanes than any other state, pay for it yourself!!!
By the way, black people in general, tuff that we kept you repressed all the way into the 70's if not to today. The law on the books say we are equal so that means we are equal. There is no such thing as racism anymore so just deal with it you dang sissies!!!
Man I'm so glad the compassionate days of America are gone. They were such an embarrassment to our country!!!
BS a tornado is a rare avent and its damage path is small compared to a hurricain.
If you live in a city that has to have levys to keep the water out then your more of a risk taker than me and I or America owes you nothing.
As far as "black" folk go I used to work in S dallas oakcliff area and I know plenty of black folks who are just like me trying to get along and pay there way.
But on the flip side there are young black men that go the way of crime and look and act like complete fools.
So if ya gonna act like a mentaly imature thug dont be suprised if thats jusy how I treat you.
NOW PULL UP YOUR PANTS:rofl
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Great post BTW.
I think culero just offered to help you build a fence or something.
eskimo
Heh...on vacation? I might help build a pile of crawfish shells, at most :)
culero
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
BS a tornado is a rare avent and its damage path is small compared to a hurricain.
If you live in a city that has to have levys to keep the water out then your more of a risk taker than me and I or America owes you nothing.
As far as "black" folk go I used to work in S dallas oakcliff area and I know plenty of black folks who are just like me trying to get along and pay there way.
But on the flip side there are young black men that go the way of crime and look and act like complete fools.
So if ya gonna act like a mentaly imature thug dont be suprised if thats jusy how I treat you.
NOW PULL UP YOUR PANTS:rofl
There are hundreds of tornados each year in the US. They happen far more often than any hurricane and the collective amount of damage does add up. You forgot to mention it was the 60's since the last major hurricane happened in New Orleans so by those standards you are actually safer there then most of the country. Florida has them hit every year yet we keep sending millions of aid to them and never ask them to move do we? Some people on this board need to get a clue and open thier minds to new ideas and different points of view.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention those people that live near forests are on thier own as well because if you lose your home to a forest fire it is your fault because you made your home out of a flamable material and not completely out of concrete.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
If you live in a city that has to have levys to keep the water out then your more of a risk taker than me
Most of the Dutch always live that way.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
There is a HUGE overlooked difference between being racist, and being stereotypist.
After living in South L.A., I am still NOT racist, but I have a STRONG HATRED for blacks wearing sport jerseys/showing their underwares, and tatooed vatos with a shave head, whitelong teeshirt.
Bottomline: if you want respect, don't fit the image of a scumbag.
Main Entry: 1hate
Pronunciation: 'hAt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hete; akin to Old High German haz hate, Greek kEdos care
1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury{/B] b : extreme dislike or antipathy : LOATHING
2 : an object of hatred
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
WTF is the difference?
It seems you look down upon anyone who dosen't look, act, or dress like you.
The two cultures you listed in your sterotype are fundementally deeply respectful people.... The funny thing about it is you have to give it to get it.
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Concho!!
Where you been?
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Here and there :)
moved home, jus tgot the intardnet set up here at the house.
all good in the CA?
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All good.
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Their Levees - Our Levees (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0112-15.htm)
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Ok I'm only 24 , not 85, whats a pig in a poke?
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Originally posted by parker00
There are hundreds of tornados each year in the US. They happen far more often than any hurricane and the collective amount of damage does add up. You forgot to mention it was the 60's since the last major hurricane happened in New Orleans so by those standards you are actually safer there then most of the country. Florida has them hit every year yet we keep sending millions of aid to them and never ask them to move do we? Some people on this board need to get a clue and open thier minds to new ideas and different points of view.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention those people that live near forests are on thier own as well because if you lose your home to a forest fire it is your fault because you made your home out of a flamable material and not completely out of concrete.
Been livin in Dallas 20 years and aint seen a tornado yet.
Living in a forest is a silly arese example and you know it.
Living in a city that is BELOW sea level is just plain ignant and if you choose to do so dont come crying to uncle sam because your house got flooded.
Kinda like those who live in Kalifornia. they know there are earth quakes there
and yet thay still live there there choice as Is the folks in New Awlins just seems stupid to me.
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Originally posted by -Concho-
Main Entry: 1hate
Pronunciation: 'hAt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hete; akin to Old High German haz hate, Greek kEdos care
1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury{/B] b : extreme dislike or antipathy : LOATHING
2 : an object of hatred
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
WTF is the difference?
It seems you look down upon anyone who dosen't look, act, or dress like you.
The two cultures you listed in your sterotype are fundementally deeply respectful people.... The funny thing about it is you have to give it to get it.
That's good ... you can copy paste a definition from a dictionary, but you still cannot think by yourself and try to understand.
If I was racist, I would automatically hate someone by the sight of the color of the skin, which I don't. I hate, yes hate, someone when they work very hard to dress has a "gangbanger". Can you understand the difference now?
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cut and paste is about the exent of my computer skills, thanks for noticing.
as far as your point of view, no.
your tellling me that you develop an opinion of a person based on what they wear or how they look or dress that identifies a particular race and that makes no sense to me.
in the time that i have been in law enforcement i have learned not to take anything for granted and not judge a book by it's cover.
The friendly man wearing a button down suit that looks "ok" pulls out a pistol and smokes you when you walk up to his window to give him a parking ticket.
on the other hand the 18 year old vato in the wife beater shirt and sagging khaki pants helps fight off two guys trying to assault you because you gave his little brother a junior trooper sticker at a resturant last week.
the point i'm trying to make is that things arent alway what they seem. you can choose to live in a world of paranoia, only associating with those like you or the "others" that you deem worthy or you can step out and see whats out there.
you might be surprised.
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concho... he is telling you that a person who is, or trys to look like a gangbanger is an evil person not worth knowing.
That is a very safe and sane way to think.
Not every man covered in blood and wearing a hockey mask and coming at you with a chain saw is a murdering psyco either but it pays to treat him like one.
lazs
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lol your right
he may work in a meat packing plant
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While I am getting away.... you go up and stall... er.... talk to him ok?
lazs
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All over it, he looks like one of my cousins anyway.
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The one who chopped up all those people?
lazs
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no, livestock. I told you he works at a meat packing plant.
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obviously we have not been paying attention to PETA in school.
livestock is people too.
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Well thats where I ****ed up.
I didn't pay attention in school.
I see the error of my ways and am a changed man.
Thank Dog for the AH BBS.
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I really don't care where he works concho.
lazs
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I know, some folks are just the way they are.
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your tellling me that you develop an opinion of a person based on what they wear or how they look or dress that identifies a particular race and that makes no sense to me.
No, I'm telling you that I develop an opinion of a person based on what they wear or how they look or dress that identifies a particular behavior.
I went to a BBQ hosted by gangbangers, man those people are great! They were very hospitable, and showed great love for their familly. Sadly, those are the same that are not going to think twice if you are in their way.
Tell you what, if you are the type to let your daughter go out with a shaved head tatoo, that shows up in your driveway in a busted up caddy with double dueces listening "when the pig got closer from my window I blasted the MF and burned his cruiser", that's cool.:O
If that happens to me, I would have an entertaining talk with my daughter.
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I have a shaved head and tattoos, yet I'm a cop.
So what I drive or what I listen to that defines me?
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Concho, devils advocate on the issue of form meeting function might be entertaining for yah.. suffice to say that from my limited perspective if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks chances are it ain't a ****ing eagle doing undercover work for the geese..
So, while you revel in the liberal 'oh don't judge the book by the cover' PC BS and nod sagely while they pull granny outta the line at the airport for her third anal probe of the day while letting the osama look alikes wander past un-checked because 'profiling' is 'bad', I'll point out the reality of the situation for yah..
If you wanna dress the part and act the part don't be a ***** and cry when yah catch the heat the part brings with it... in other words, show up at my door dressed like a gang banger and I ain't gonna act like I'm surprised you ain't selling girl scout cookies.
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Yes, everything you do/own defines you.
You might not quite have the choice of what you drive and where you live, but that still defines you. Driving a $1000 car with brand new $2000 rims, that defines you. You definitly have the choice of what you listen, and that defines you too.
You can be a hura vato all you want, be if you look like that and you show me your underware, you are not touching MY daughter. Since it's cool with you, gime your adress so I can refer him to yours.:o
(http://www.amenfoto.com/gallery/chicanos/images/tattoo.jpg)
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I am far from liberal an I have been twice investigated by the Texas Rangers for racial profiling in relation to narcotic seizures. You are an idiot if you underestimate any person.
My point is not that the punk bellybutton kids who want to be bangers should be handled like boy scouts, it is that everyone has the potential to be dangerous.
Everyone regardless of what they wear, drive, or listen to should be approached with equal courtesy and respect using gaurded caution until they prove to you by action or body language that they are "good" or "bad" guys.
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Driving, listening is an "action", and your car/clothes are an extention of your "body language".
Anyway, maybe that would make you understand:
- You are a police officer, you cannot discriminate that would be illegal.
- I am a civilian, I have to discriminate to protect my familly, because when I make an error of judgement, I don't wear a gun on my belt.
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Originally posted by BluKitty
Their Levees - Our Levees (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0112-15.htm)
Nice try.
it's kind of funny people are spreading this stupid website around, but what they fail to you is this. When was the last time that England, let alone the Netherlands had a Category 4 (or 5 for that matter) Hurricane with a Category 5 Storm Surge make landfall? Compare Apples to Apples.
BTW, I think the Levees did MORE THAN what was expected in NO. 1933 was the last update to em? 8-9 broke, the rest of em held.
Karaya
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
You can be a hura vato all you want, be if you look like that and you show me your underware, you are not touching MY daughter. Since it's cool with you, gime your adress so I can refer him to yours.
You must have a hard time getting around Houston without running into a Vato Loco, how many dead bolts do you have on your door?
I realize I'm not going to change your mind dude.
You can pm for for my addy I'd like to meet you.
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I have a shaved head and have been called a skinhead:eek:
Kinda funny seeing as im a jew:)
Lesson here is not to judge someone on there looks but rather on there actions.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Driving, listening is an "action", and your car/clothes are an extention of your "body language".
Anyway, maybe that would make you understand:
- You are a police officer, you cannot discriminate that would be illegal.
- I am a civilian, I have to discriminate to protect my familly, because when I make an error of judgement, I don't wear a gun on my belt.
This is Texas bro, unless your a felon you can carry a gun too.
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Originally posted by -Concho-
This is Texas bro, unless your a felon you can carry a gun too.
LOL concho even the felons carry here :rofl
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Originally posted by -Concho-
I am far from liberal an I have been twice investigated by the Texas Rangers for racial profiling in relation to narcotic seizures. You are an idiot if you underestimate any person.
My point is not that the punk bellybutton kids who want to be bangers should be handled like boy scouts, it is that everyone has the potential to be dangerous.
Everyone regardless of what they wear, drive, or listen to should be approached with equal courtesy and respect using gaurded caution until they prove to you by action or body language that they are "good" or "bad" guys.
LOL!
NOW I'm with yah. I believe it was in "rules for a gunfight" that I read 'Be polite, be professional... but, have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
We on the same wavelength now?
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
LOL concho even the felons carry here :rofl
within the limits of the law, of course ;)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
LOL!
NOW I'm with yah. I believe it was in "rules for a gunfight" that I read 'Be polite, be professional... but, have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
We on the same wavelength now?
now you have it.
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Whelp, hope you recognize that Frenchy, being a civilian and not having a piece at the small of his back, one in a shoulder rig and a throw-away in an ankle strap has to make judgement calls from a different perspective.
And, knowing that when he eyeballs a 'gangbanger' mufuti clad street urchin he's gotta assume that form follows function and come to some (for you) 'hasty' decisons about threat levels, surroundings and response.
And, he'd be right to assume the worst, and react accordingly... keep himself and his family away from street trash.
In fact, even if he did have all the armament you pack, he'd still be correct in my humble opinion to assume the worst; though I'd consider that to be 'Bernie Goetz' behavior to be hangin around trouble and as such puts him on the same level as the gangbanger.
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Originally posted by dmf
Ok I'm only 24 , not 85, whats a pig in a poke?
to buy a pig in a poke literally means 'to buy something which you cannot see' and thus 'to buy something whose true nature is unknown'.
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aye, I admit sometimes it is hard to look past the end of your own nose.
It's hard for me to take people grouping other people based on surface apperance.
I spent my first 5 years near the mexican border, things can get real western real quick down there. Several times I was one on one in the ditch with someone I was trying to arrest.
I can remember laying on one in particular that was a pretty even fight, I looked up and saw two eses walking up. I thought I was ****ed in a big way and was going to have to start shooting.
Long story short they helped me get the guy in handcuffs.
By first impression it was all bad, but in this instance over-reacting could have caused someone thier life.
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I encourage Frenchy to continue using his common sense. I'm sure he is fully capable of sizing up an individual.
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Originally posted by dmf
Ok I'm only 24 , not 85, whats a pig in a poke?
Ooops.. missed that. Thanks Toad.
Ummm DMF, I ain't 85 either.. I just feel like it when i'm around my kids friends. ;)
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I thought a pig in a poke was havng sexual relations with a fat woman
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why am i not in the least surprised?
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concho... I am not bald so do not do the shaved head thing..
I have tattoos and they are exactly what they appear to be. They tell people exactly who I was... not am...was. All the guys I knew with the same kind of tattoos were criminals just like me.
We could be extremely nice and polite to people when we thought it was to our benifiet.
Someone here hit it right. When I dressed the part and my tattoos were new many years ago.... I was (gasp) discriminated against.... I was stereotyped and discriminated against... and ya know what...
They were right.
Cop, criminal.... lots of similarities but both sides are left out of the others world even tho they touch. Being a cop doesn't make a person understand criminals any more than being a criminal makes you understand cops except maybe in some small ways.
lazs
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What tattoo would that be Lazs?
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tattoos. lightning bolts... FTW 1% some others that SS dagger etc..
I got a really big dragon done to cover some of the worst.
It's not just cops who understand criminals.... sometimes it is criminals who understand criminals too.
lazs
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Originally posted by Meatwad
I thought a pig in a poke was havng sexual relations with a fat woman
That would be a poke in a pig.
culero (get it right!)
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
- I am a civilian, I have to discriminate to protect my familly, because when I make an error of judgement, I don't wear a gun on my belt.
So go buy a gun and put it in your belt.
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OK well after reading and now knowing what pig in a poke is, I'm pretty sure I don't have that with my insurance :)
Fire, theft, hurricane, is all I have
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Oh .. you are so mature Slash27:(
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Originally posted by dmf
OK well after reading and now knowing what pig in a poke is, I'm pretty sure I don't have that with my insurance :)
Fire, theft, hurricane, is all I have
So did many THOUSANDS of residents on the Gulf Coast.
And they've been screwed.
DMF, I'm not kidding.. the insurance companies are NOT in business to pay out on claims. They are in business to make money on the premiums via investment and divestment. Just because you THINK you have coverage, their lawyers can and usually do find a reason to undervalue, underpay, not pay or outright deny your claim ESPECIALLY in the case of a 'natural disaster' where they have many THOUSANDS of simultaneous claims that if paid in good faith would bankrupt them and their re-insurance treaty partners outright.
Often, the claimants spend nearly as much on the lawyers THEY have to hire to get their claims paid and even then, they still lost BIG.
So, kiddo; don't put too much faith in those insurance policies. You get nailed by a tragedy, don't put too much faith in 'insurance'.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Oh .. you are so mature Slash27:(
Ok, maybe I misunderstood your statement. Enlighten me.
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Maybe you think it's cool to have a gun and walk around looking like John Wayne. I can already see my 11 year old freacked out to death, my girlfriend shaking her head in disbelief, my coworkers talking behind my back, my boss firing me.
And what if I actually use the thing, will my daughter respect me more after she was tromatize by seing daddy blowing the head of someone?
Carrying a gun at the belt is a piss poor solution, trying to avoid being in trouble in the first place might be a better behavior/example.
Do you have kids Slash?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
So did many THOUSANDS of residents on the Gulf Coast.
And they've been screwed.
DMF, I'm not kidding.. the insurance companies are NOT in business to pay out on claims. They are in business to make money on the premiums via investment and divestment. Just because you THINK you have coverage, their lawyers can and usually do find a reason to undervalue, underpay, not pay or outright deny your claim ESPECIALLY in the case of a 'natural disaster' where they have many THOUSANDS of simultaneous claims that if paid in good faith would bankrupt them and their re-insurance treaty partners outright.
Often, the claimants spend nearly as much on the lawyers THEY have to hire to get their claims paid and even then, they still lost BIG.
So, kiddo; don't put too much faith in those insurance policies. You get nailed by a tragedy, don't put too much faith in 'insurance'.
Hang is right. Many had Hurricane insurance but all of those decimated by the levie break were denied their "hurricane insurance" because they were damaged by a "flood" not a hurricane.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
So did many THOUSANDS of residents on the Gulf Coast.
And they've been screwed.
DMF, I'm not kidding.. the insurance companies are NOT in business to pay out on claims. They are in business to make money on the premiums via investment and divestment. Just because you THINK you have coverage, their lawyers can and usually do find a reason to undervalue, underpay, not pay or outright deny your claim ESPECIALLY in the case of a 'natural disaster' where they have many THOUSANDS of simultaneous claims that if paid in good faith would bankrupt them and their re-insurance treaty partners outright.
Often, the claimants spend nearly as much on the lawyers THEY have to hire to get their claims paid and even then, they still lost BIG.
So, kiddo; don't put too much faith in those insurance policies. You get nailed by a tragedy, don't put too much faith in 'insurance'.
Oh trust me I don't trust them any farther than I can throw them. The only things I can't replace, I would get out of here anyway if a fire or natural disaster happened, thats pictures of me and my daughter, everythig else I can live without. And I seriously doubt a thief would steel my photo album, As for my apartment, theres more around her I can rent if anything happens to mine.
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:aok
My motto.. "plan around the worst case, hope for the best". Sounds like yer heads screwed on right.. if yer half as smart and 1/4 as viscious as my daughter & ex-wife (who's an insurance company VP by the way) you'll do just fine when the chips go down.
Stay safe, kiddo. ;)
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Maybe you think it's cool to have a gun and walk around looking like John Wayne. I can already see my 11 year old freacked out to death, my girlfriend shaking her head in disbelief, my coworkers talking behind my back, my boss firing me.
Yes, that what I said. Get yourself a couple of Colt SAA's and strap them badboys on. Dont forget your horse. A double barrel 12 ga or a lever action rifle of your choosing would go well with this:aok
Being your in Texas I was refering to the right to carry a concealed handgun. Believe it or not you wont have terrorize your loved ones or brandish it at work thus jeopardizing your job. Strange but true.
And what if I actually use the thing, will my daughter respect me more after she was tromatize by seing daddy blowing the head of someone?
Well what if? If you had to use thing, dont you think it would be situation where you felt you or your loved one life was in iniment danger? Would you rather lose someone you care about or be able to defend against it? A traumatizing event? With out a doubt. I dont wish it on anyone. But wishing doesnt stop bad things from happening to good people.
Carrying a gun at the belt is a piss poor solution, trying to avoid being in trouble in the first place might be a better behavior/example.
Its a piss poor solution to what? And do you honestly think trying to avoid trouble is a 100% guarantee of safety? Its a good philosophy don't get me wrong. Don't go look for it, just be prepared for it, right? It really boils down to your ability to be a responsible gun owner. It doesnt sound like you've put much thought it to it though.
Do you have kids Slash?
No, and dont give me any bull**** " you dont know how it is" crap either. Its not going to fly.
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It's just that when I was 17-18, I was going out with a gun under my shirt and I almost didn't see anything wrong with that. Now I would feel stupid. People change when they start a familly, that's why I asked.
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Really stupid times we live in folks and there are people out there who will kill you for 5 bucks in your pocket.
You dammed right I carry.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
It's just that when I was 17-18, I was going out with a gun under my shirt and I almost didn't see anything wrong with that. Now I would feel stupid. People change when they start a familly, that's why I asked.
Well that was a different time and now have a different view on life. I dont think it would make you a hypocrite to carry a firearm legally now. Just my views on it and I dont think you'd be wrong not carry either.
and take care.
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Be safe man.
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frenchy.... my kids all grew up with guns around. They are not frieghtened by guns in the least and I would like to think that if I had to shoot someone my kids would know..... before there was even any proof.... that I did it because it was the only way. They would be glad that I survived.
and... they would be glad that I had the gun on me.
I carried a gun for a different purpose when I was young too. I am different now. That does not mean that there is no reason to carry one now... My take is that if you are a decent person... their is more reason these days.
But.... you are of course correct in that the very best thing is to try to avoid trouble at allmost any cost.
lazs
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Wierd.. at least from my perspective. I've had an interesting life, done a buncha neat stuff, been to some pretty off-the wall places.
I've never 'needed' a gun out of uniform.
I've no predeliction to 'carry', never felt threatened. I have run into situations where common sense said 'move... NOW' and I've followed my instincts. Still safe, still breathing. Kept my family safe, raised a kid, never had a weapon in the house.
Now, I've got a pretty fun new hobby. It started semi-serious, got serious, now it's semi-serious again; collecting fine old military weapons and selling 'em is an outright blast and it's allowed me to 'finish' de-liberalizing my kid, armed the key members of my extended family, taught 'em all skills that could be important one day.. but still; here; now; I don't need to 'carry'.
What I found absolutely surprising as hell is the reaction some folks have to having control of a weapon; how different folks 'absorb' the power.
One day on the way to the range the guy I was riding with is taking side streets, winding his way indirectly to the range. I asked him whats up.. he says 'Ive never been through 'this' part of town with a gun before'. 'This' was a black neighborhood. I wigged.. I don't think I've hollered at my kid so loud as I was with this guy..
'Power'. Scary stuff in the wrong hands. Frankly, I don't think the guy was wired quite right from birth, he's made wierd flying decisons too so I souldn't have been too surprised, nonetheless I was pissed that he'd haul me along on his lil exploration, putting my good name and my prized weapons at an elevated risk for a 'thrill ride'.
When I've got a weapon under immediate personal control I'm more alert to my surroundings, I'm cautious about 'encounters', I'm disposed to NOT get confrontational, I avoid any situtaion that could result in a 'challenge'. In short, I'm a cocky loudmouth without a worry in the world when I'm 'clean'. Put a piece under my control and I tend to fade back, become less of a wize bellybutton and stay the hell away from marginal situtations.
Looking at what I've just typed, I'm suddenly wondering if there's something wrong with the way I'M wired?
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There's something wrong with the way each of us is wired.
They didn't tell you that?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
When I've got a weapon under immediate personal control I'm more alert to my surroundings, I'm cautious about 'encounters', I'm disposed to NOT get confrontational, I avoid any situtaion that could result in a 'challenge'. In short, I'm a cocky loudmouth without a worry in the world when I'm 'clean'. Put a piece under my control and I tend to fade back, become less of a wize bellybutton and stay the hell away from marginal situtations.
I've learned this is the right mindset for people who wish to carry. And for the most part, this seems to work. You don't see folks with carry permits dueling each other on the street everyday. You can't just draw down on someone because they gave you the finger, were tailgating you the past 10 miles, or looked at your wife/girlfriend/daughter the wrong way. Avoid, deescalate, run away until you're either safe or cornered. Otherwise you could be arrested for brandishing if I recall (you could even be arrested for brandishing if your pistol's grip somehow pokes out from under your shirt and the wrong person sees it). It's not about "looking cool" carrying a weapon either. I wonder how many who are opposed to letting others carry are aware of that. You're fortunate you have a choice Frenchy.
How about forgetting about the levees and rebuilding anything in N.O.? No? Here's a dumb idea, how about making those flooded areas of N.O. the Venice of the United States?
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I agree with you guys. Gun are a "piece of mind" thank to the extra confidence but they might get you in trouble too just because of that.
In L.A. I witnessed drive by's, shootings, dramas, even being nose to nose with a gun, yet I'm still alive. If I had a gun, I would have maybe tried to protect myself in such a way that I'll be dead.
Decisions ... decisions :)
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Frenchy, If I HAD a permit, I'd probably carry every minute of every day. Some guys I know with paper do exactly that. And there's places thay can't go, things they can't do, it becomes a burden.
When or if things change abruptly; I now have the means to address the situation appropriately. Right now, it's appropriate for me to leave the piece at home, locked away safe. As usual, I've got a plan for the worst case, and live in the best case.
No, I don't think everybody needs to 'carry'. Yes, you should have at your disposal in the shortest period of time possible ALL the means to rectify that.. 'cause these days yah just can't be sure your home, your street or your town will remain a safe refuge from one days headlines to the next.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
If I had a gun, I would have maybe tried to protect myself in such a way that I'll be dead.
Nothing's for sure in life as they say. That said, whatever decision you make / have made already should be respected. It just seemed to me you had a very skewed idea of carrying ("feeling stupid," "looking like John Wayne") and wanted to address that.
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I have "no problem" for others to carry a gun, would just feel strange for me to have one on my belt. In the other hand, one at home would not bother me at all.
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I think that everyone takes their chances in life. I never wore a helmet with motorcycles and I never had a head injury.
People wear seatbelts and today.... most people feel that they are in mortal danger if they don't... even tho their chance of being in a wreck that a seatbelt would save or even help them are more than 30 to one against... while, at the same time.... the odds are 1 in four that they will be the victim of a violent crime in their lifetime. Yet.... they strap themselves in religiously no matter how uncomfortable or how much hassle it is.
I think mauser hit it pretty well.... If there were no restrictions at all on concealled carry.... there would never be more than about 10% of the population carrying at any one time. It's all good.
lazs
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Originally posted by Hangtime
:aok
My motto.. "plan around the worst case, hope for the best". Sounds like yer heads screwed on right.. if yer half as smart and 1/4 as viscious as my daughter & ex-wife (who's an insurance company VP by the way) you'll do just fine when the chips go down.
Stay safe, kiddo. ;)
Believe me being a single mother kinda keeps the head screwed on right, the only insurance I don't have is incase one of those Navy planes crashes into my apt. And despitwe what they say on the news around other parts of the country, my odds of winning the lottery are better than the odds of that happening.
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My parents lost everything in Katrina. They were sixteen feet above sea level and told they would never need flood insurance, but they insisted on getting it anyway.
Six months later, they have finally received the full money from their claim. They lost their house and two cars, and immediately after the disaster struck the insurance company tried to lowball them to the tune of $10,000 or so to cover all damages. Thankfully, my parents keep meticulous records of everything they buy, and they cataloged everything in the house when they knew the hurricane was going to strike... just in case.
Nonetheless, had they been in a truly dire situation where they needed money immediately (which they thankfully were not), they would have been forced to take the lowball amount and eat hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages. Even with their meticulous bookkeeping and my mother's relentless pursuit of a fair settlement, it took this long to sort things out. Imagine a couple less prepared, less organized, or less well-insured.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
My parents lost everything in Katrina. They were sixteen feet above sea level and told they would never need flood insurance, but they insisted on getting it anyway.
Six months later, they have finally received the full money from their claim. They lost their house and two cars, and immediately after the disaster struck the insurance company tried to lowball them to the tune of $10,000 or so to cover all damages. Thankfully, my parents keep meticulous records of everything they buy, and they cataloged everything in the house when they knew the hurricane was going to strike... just in case.
Nonetheless, had they been in a truly dire situation where they needed money immediately (which they thankfully were not), they would have been forced to take the lowball amount and eat hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages. Even with their meticulous bookkeeping and my mother's relentless pursuit of a fair settlement, it took this long to sort things out. Imagine a couple less prepared, less organized, or less well-insured.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Insurance companys are bandits they all should wear a mask.
I have never seen a more moraly bancrupt buisness than the Insurance buisness bunch of toilet stains IMHO.
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Originally posted by lazs2
People wear seatbelts and today.... most people feel that they are in mortal danger if they don't... even tho their chance of being in a wreck that a seatbelt would save or even help them are more than 30 to one against... while, at the same time.... the odds are 1 in four that they will be the victim of a violent crime in their lifetime. Yet.... they strap themselves in religiously no matter how uncomfortable or how much hassle it is.
lazs [/B]
Bad comparison.
Seat belts is neither a major hassle or a major discomfort. A 4 year old can learn to do and undo the buckle.
To use a gun effectively in a defensive manner takes a lot of training. It takes overview, balls, dedication and professionalism. It takes a cool head and good judgment backed up by excellent skills.
The comparison to buckling a seat belt and the very minor discomfort it causes is invalid.
A more valid comparison would be "all skydivers should arm themselves". In this comparison there are a lot of similarities. Training, experience, good judgment and quick thinking is required to do any of the two efficiently and safely. Even with that the outcome is never certain.
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hmm... minor discomfort? it is a discomfort that you live with for many hours of the day... it is a hassle to do. If you allready have an interest in guns then you will "train" I don't believe that "training" to simply carry a gun for defense is any more time consuming than say.... learning to drive defensively.
Now... to carry the gun... you get one that weighs 9-12 0z and is smaller than a cell phone and fits in your front pocket with NO discomfort... how is that not less than the seatbelt digging into you for hours a day?
I wear seatbelts in my Hot Rods but they are fitted to me. I don't wear those stupid ones that come with new cars like my Lincoln I am about a dozen or more times more likely to need a seatbelt in my Hot Rods tho.
If I had a newer car that wasn't boring I would rethink the seatbelt thing... probly work at making the belts better for me if I was gonna drive agressively.
but... maybe not.. should be my choice.
lazs
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I don't care if its a discomfort or not, anybody that rides in my car is wearing a seatbelt or not rideing in my car, I'm not paying a $50 fine just because sombody is a little uncomfortable.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Insurance companys are bandits they all should wear a mask.
I have never seen a more moraly bancrupt buisness than the Insurance buisness bunch of toilet stains IMHO.
You wnat something more moraly bankrupt than the insurance companies? Tell the doctor you have a hmo and you'll find one.
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Originally posted by dmf
You wnat something more moraly bankrupt than the insurance companies? Tell the doctor you have a hmo and you'll find one.
I thought Ins com[anys ran HMO'S?
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Wearing a seat belt and carrying a gun are the same in my eyes. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I'm never uncomforatable wearing the belts and I'm never uncomfortable with a gun.
It's a matter of perspective, I guess. As an aside, though, I'd rather the government not make it a law to wear a seat belt.
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dmf is correct... if I am in someone elses car and they ask me to wear my seatbelt out of fear of getting a ticket... I will do so. I am not a passenger much tho.
lazs